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August 10, 2004

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Tom Bowler

Excerpting the Pandagon post: "The reason that Corsi's quotes from Free Republic are germane isn't because they show him to be a nasty, bigoted f**khead. Although they do. It's because they show him to be a highly partisan, bigoted, anti-liberal, anti-Muslim, anti-all humans but Republicans kind of guy."

I guess he's got all his facts in order. Pretty convincing argument, wouldn't you say?

capt joe

Ah, exactly the sort of person the repulicans are looking. hmmmm....

That certaintly says a lot about the poster. Is this highly partisan, bigoted, anti-conservative person a democrat's kind of guy.

Is ad hom the only sort of argument they know. They seem to feel that they are allowed to say the sort of things that they accuse the republicans of being. Projection.

antimedia

However, the Swiftvets point out that there was no enemy fire during the incident. We really need to see those after-action reports. Those will tell the tale (hopefully.)

J_Crater

Release the military records .. NOW!

Lapsed Randian

The medical records should be released because they are objective evidence, and, if they support Kerry's war stories, would drive a stake through this controversy. In fact, if Kerry were really on his game, he would release them with some fanfare, and blame the R's for causing him to have to cough up such private information.

We know that Kerry, based on his recent "7 Minutes of Delay" cheapshot alone, is very capable of this kind of tactical audacity. The questions thus becomes: why not do so? I'm afraid the question answers itself.

Crank

Serious question - are Kerry's journals generally available (at least to mainstream journalists), or just to Brinkley?

polly

This quote is from the Monterey Herald, linked below

"Veterans who were on the boat with Kerry give a different version. Pat Runyon said the crew was patrolling north of Cam Ranh Bay the night of Dec. 2, 1968, when Kerry and fellow crewman Bill Zaledonis spotted Viet Cong guerrillas massed on a beach and began firing.

He said Kerry was subsequently treated for a wound to the arm, which led to his first Purple Heart."


http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/mcherald/2004/07/13/news/nation/9142574.htm

Polly

here is Kerry's "7 minutes of delay" cheapshot
quote from NYT august 6

Mr. Kerry's railroad tour, which ends Monday in Kingman, Ariz., began after he detoured to Washington by airplane to address a national convention of minority journalists, where he was asked what would he have done had he been president on Sept. 11, 2001, if he was reading a story to a group of schoolchildren when an aide told him that the United States was under attack.

"I would have told those kids, very politely and nicely," Mr. Kerry said, "that the president of the United States had something that he needed to attend to."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/06/politics/campaign/06kerry.html

Brainster

Tom, IIRC the issue has more to do with whether or not there is an actual enemy engaged. Wounded in friendly fire in a combat situation: Purple Heart (as sadly this year with Pat Tillman). Wounded in friendly fire with no enemy around: No Purple Heart.

TM

Brainster, I hear you, but... if Kerry reasonably believed he was shooting at some Viet Cong on the beach, I would think he qualifies. The fact that no shots were fired at Kerry's crew obviously counts against him (since incoming shots would have been convincing evidence of an enemy presence).

OTOH, if the crew had gone ashore and found that Kerry had blown up a water buffalo, that might suggest he wounded himself while shooting at shadows, and did not qualify for a Purple Heart (no enemy, negligence, whatever).

The thing is, he got a minor, self-inflicted scratch in what may or may not have been a combat situation. Probably not your typical Purple Heart, but maybe within the letter (if not the spirit) of the regs.

Well, it was obviously not within the spirit, since his CO, Hibard, refused to support it.

Richard

Release the records Jean Qerry!

Greg D

Tom,

If the officer commanding Kerry at the time of the action had signed off on the award request, Kerry would be pretty much in the clear. But he didn't. At least, that's what the CO says now. If Kerry releases his paperwork, we can find out who signed for the award, and when. If he doesn't, that probably tells us something, too.

But, if the "Swifties" are correct, then there was no "we were under enemy fire" report filed for the incident. Which makes it hard for Kerry to claim it was a friendly fire wound caused because of enemy attack.

Greg

BigBird

Could his records indicate that a piece of "Rice" was removed from the wound??

One of the "Hearts" was awared because he got wounded when throwing a frag, into a rice cache.

Hmmm..

Come on JFK, sign the 180...

Bird

PS: Life is Good

TM

The rice-in-buttocks was part of the comedy surrounding the third Purple Heart (and is mentioned in Brinkley's book.

Karin Dunklin


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