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Jay

A better headline for that Times article: "Democrats Urge Kerry to Blow His Own Brains Out". If he follows that article's advice, he might as well


Jim Glass

"Democrats were far from ready to concede defeat..."

That's the kind of optimism Kerry wants to read in the Times in early September!

"You're seeing a different John Kerry," Mr. Vilsack said. "He was up at 12 o'clock at night. He was saying, 'I am ready to rock and roll.' "

Partying all night is fine, but there's an election on and at his age maybe he should be getting to bed to rest up for some campaigning the next day?

As to Kerry's failure to distinguish his positions particularly on national security issues, while trying to be on both sides of them at the same time, Dick Morris had an unusually interesting column (for him) indicating there might be some calculation of necessity behind this madness.

The point is that while the Republicans are unified on all the big security issues, the Democrats are unified only on hating Bush and are split on everything else. So all Kerry can say is "I'd do better than Bush!" because if he says what he'd do, whatever it is, he'd antagonize a big part of his base.

E.g., if he attacks the Swift Boaters and says he was right about the war crime charges he made in the 70s, he loses the vets he tried to win over with his convention. But if he apologizes for the war crime charges, he loses his anti-war wing. And so on down the line of issues.

"So, on each of these issues, whenever Kerry opens his mouth, he loses ...

"... the GOP is hammering home these issues to set them up for use down the road. Then, in the debates, Bush will close in for the kill, making Kerry fish or cut bait on these pivotal questions, always being prepared to say, 'There you go again' if he waffles."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09022004/postopinion/opedcolumnists/19107.htm

So as long as security is the issue, it seems Dubya has a game plan. It was considerate of Kerry to dedicate his whole convention to the subject.

RW

I wonder who'll charge that Zell is a nazi first, Estrich or Andrew Sullivan?

Greg F

This link was posted over at Winds of Change, interesting read.

HiThere

They should do a poll on how many Americans are familiar with the propaganda techniques used by fascist governments, i.e. where the instruments of public information must first be controlled before the fascist party is able to complete its hegemonic control over the lives of the people.

What we're seeing right now in America should have all of us quaking in our shoes. Instead, as long as the football season starts on time and there is still bargain beer available by the case, no one will really even notice.

An inept administration, headed by a cowardly Manchurian candidate, via Rupert Murdoch and Clearchannel, have purchased the major instruments of public information. Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh vomit up poison day after day about the most irrelevant aspects of the political campaign, preying on the bigotry and ignorance of their target audience, while Fox News' oleaginous blabbers of corporate pap massage and coddle every liar and propagandist they can dig up out of a drunk tank. The Republicans put on a convention where a rabid cracker racist shrieks lies, condemns the Democrats for daring to field a candidate in an election and howls that all our liberties and freedoms derive from (and by deduction, can be removed by) the MILITARY. Fascism in the cloak of a redneck Alzheimers patient, a pathetic old cracker who Karl Rove then shunts off to the dungeon reserved for used trash. But first they warm up the audience of stark white weirdos and hypocrites, bedecked in purple heart bangages that disgrace all veterans (though count on their ignorance not to be able to conceive of that), by shamelessly, disgustingly hauling their cowardly, amoral leader up on the backs of 3000 corpses. Corpses he helped create by nine months of an administration that clearly saw nothing to fear from terrorism and took exactly NO action to prevent. Yet those corpses, like all politically convenient contrivances, made a great foundation for lauding the accomplishments of an amoral coward who has bankrupted his nation while enriching his friends, made wreckage of environmental and safetly legislation designed to protect our citizens, mass murdered thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians, brought the emnity and rage of the world down upon our nation, and sacrificed the lives and limbs of American youth for the great accomplishment of establishing a fractured Iraqi state where most major cities are now held by rival militias and the puppet government is impotent and immobilized in preparation for a sham election which will inevitably be subject to US recall, if the results are not as expected. Democracy! As in Afghanistan, a nation of 9.5 million citizens (including children) where

HiThere

They should do a poll on how many Americans are familiar with the propaganda techniques used by fascist governments, i.e. where the instruments of public information must first be controlled before the fascist party is able to complete its hegemonic control over the lives of the people.

What we're seeing right now in America should have all of us quaking in our shoes. Instead, as long as the football season starts on time and there is still bargain beer available by the case, no one will really even notice.

An inept administration, headed by a cowardly Manchurian candidate, via Rupert Murdoch and Clearchannel, have purchased the major instruments of public information. Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh vomit up poison day after day about the most irrelevant aspects of the political campaign, preying on the bigotry and ignorance of their target audience, while Fox News' oleaginous blabbers of corporate pap massage and coddle every liar and propagandist they can dig up out of a drunk tank. The Republicans put on a convention where a rabid cracker racist shrieks lies, condemns the Democrats for daring to field a candidate in an election and howls that all our liberties and freedoms derive from (and by deduction, can be removed by) the MILITARY. Fascism in the cloak of a redneck Alzheimers patient, a pathetic old cracker who Karl Rove then shunts off to the dungeon reserved for used trash. But first they warm up the audience of stark white weirdos and hypocrites, bedecked in purple heart bangages that disgrace all veterans (though count on their ignorance not to be able to conceive of that), by shamelessly, disgustingly hauling their cowardly, amoral leader up on the backs of 3000 corpses. Corpses he helped create by nine months of an administration that clearly saw nothing to fear from terrorism and took exactly NO action to prevent. Yet those corpses, like all politically convenient contrivances, made a great foundation for lauding the accomplishments of an amoral coward who has bankrupted his nation while enriching his friends, made wreckage of environmental and safetly legislation designed to protect our citizens, mass murdered thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians, brought the emnity and rage of the world down upon our nation, and sacrificed the lives and limbs of American youth for the great accomplishment of establishing a fractured Iraqi state where most major cities are now held by rival militias and the puppet government is impotent and immobilized in preparation for a sham election which will inevitably be subject to US recall, if the results are not as expected. Democracy! As in Afghanistan, a nation of 9.5 million citizens (including children) where astonishingly TEN MILLION are registered to vote. That's not fraud, that's UBER-democracy.

On this banner of wreckage and death, the amoral coward seeks reelection.

He is aided and abetted by a Democratic party that seems unable to respond to the mass pillaging of American values the American Fascist party revels in trampling. The concept of using reason to govern is now considered too feminine for any consideration. We must be as masculine, violent, ruthless and amoral as the enemy! Whoever the enemy is. We don't need to know who the enemy is. We only need you to know that you are in danger unless you elect the most vile and vicious of the two contenders to office. You can tell how vile he is by the way he covers himself in the corpses of the dead he has himself created.

Along the way, the Constitutional principles of the US, derived from the philosophy of the Enlightenment rather than from that of Stalin and Goebbels, become daily more insignificant. Informed debate? Who needs that when we have George Bush sliding down the path of shit laid before him by Karl Rove? Karl Rove, the fruit of American manhood, that pasty, flabby little doughnut . Who could not be proud of owing your political life to one such as him?

The end result of this election is the de-Americanization of our values. The victory is that of the vicious, violent, gloriously ignorant redneck. It little matters that they suffer most from the concurrent victory of the robber barons who seek to dismantle the New Deal. After all, most rednecks are poor and stupid. Apparently, they will suffer less than the educated middle classes when they lose all pretense of social responsiblilty - when Social Security, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, overtime, health care, etc. are gutted to allow that valuable capital to be returned where it belongs - in the pockets of the superior, the capitalists, and of course their deserving, if embarassingly vapid, Jenna/not Jenna type offspring. And living in those sweaty swamp states, they will also not be suffering when the heating bills in the northeast begin to climb above most people's mortgage payments. All hail the dumb Southern racists, those great, great Americans, who embody the highest of all American values: I've got mine. Fuck you.

Those who seek a true just society, rather than a capitalist jungle and a religion of death and war, would do well to flee for enlightened parts of the world. Canada, just above our own border, loathes what has become of our society just as Europe does. They retain all the good of what we once aspired to, and do the human race proud by rejecting all the evil the Ascendence of the Rednecks has wrought upon our sad, destroyed nation.

Greg F

HiThere shows all what a hate filled fascist is. They use words like inept, cowardly, vomit up poison, preying on the bigotry and ignorance, blabbers of corporate pap, rabid cracker racist shrieks, cloak of a redneck Alzheimer’s patient, pathetic old cracker, and on and on. HiThere resorts to ad hominem attacks and ignores facts all together. He projects on to all who disagree with him what he himself is, a facist.

Jim Glass

Kerry has come out with a new campaign message:

~~
"They're trying to fake it to the American people. They're trying to bamboozle you and throw around so much mud that you can't really break through and grab onto the things that are real in your lives," Kerry said.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/29876.htm
~~

In other words:

"You voters are so stupid you don't know the things that are important in your own lives, so you aren't supporting me.

"This, of course, is the damned Republicans' fault. So support me!"

Persuasive.

Paul Zrimsek

Blah blah right-wing Rumsfeld warmonger chickenhawk evil Bushies Wolwowitz and his neocon cabal for oiloiloiloiloiloil blah blah ignorant stupid bloodthirsty morons, the real axis of evil on a ranch in Crawford and blah blah blah no WMD he lied, Bushitler lied, people died died died tie-dyed peace peace peace down with the Zionists! peace peace Kyoto! they hate us they hate us they hate us and what can we do and root causes and root causes and blowback and Plame and Plame and Chalabi Plame Wilson blah blah blah unilateral multinational Halliburton Enronism crony capitalism and it's all about oiloiloiloil blah blah blah, cowboyish disregard for allies, for the wishes of the world community who rise up against us, the terrorist threat is overblown and anyway, it's all our fault because we gave Saddam his weapons to begin with, photo of Rummy and Hussein, but make no mistake, he no longer has those weapons because inspections worked, containment worked, and blah blah blah Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan handle it, Roy, handle it handle it, Caspian pipeline oiloiloiloil blah blah blah show me the stockpiles, anthrax CIA plant Richard Clarke said so and we believe him because and unless unless unless Abu Ghraib Abu Ghraib Abu Ghraib, square-jawed cocksucking military jarhead torturing fucks, bring home our troops! We care about the troops! We support the troops and don't you question our patriotism our love for this fucking filthy crass consumerist bullying country of redneck dolts and biblethumping bourgeois suburbanites with their SUVs and where are the CAFE standards fight the real terror, eco-terror, Israel, the US, imperialist colonialist racist homophobic hegemonic and blah blah blah blah blah because dissent is patriotism and fighting against your country is really fighting for your country and our dissent keeps the nation strong and we're brave and heroic and up is down and black is white and oiloiloiloiloiloiloiloil blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.*

Jim Glass

"They should do a poll on how many Americans are familiar with the propaganda techniques used by fascist governments..."

Godwin's law. You lose.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GodwinsLaw

Andrew X

Hi there HIthere!

That's some rock-solid gibberish! Nice work.

"Those who seek a true just society, rather than a capitalist jungle and a religion of death and war, would do well to flee for enlightened parts of the world."

Indeed they would do well. Problem is, they won't flee. Ever. Five, ten, twenty years, 99% of "those" will still be HERE. Right here. Bank on it.

Apply this phrase to the entire world.

"Those who seek a ---- ---- society, rather than a ---------- ------ and a religion of ----- and ---, would do well to flee for enlightened parts of the world.

And they do flee.... by the millions. 100 million in the past half century have migrated. To where??

You know where, friend. You know damn well where. The US and the Western Europe that was directly structured by the US. You know it damn well. That makes you a liar or an idiot or both, par for the course for a rabid maniacal leftist.

As Bill Whittle so eloquently said, as you ponder one of your "enlighted" places, Cuba....

Take a look at the Florida Straights (in a rare window between hurricanes)..... Now.... "Which way are the rafts going??".

pittspilot

I thought HiThere's comments were brilliant satire.

HoThere

Fuck Godwins Law. It's just another way to divert the conversation away from the way the Republicans are stealing our identity as Americans right in front of our noses. Read Mein Kampf. I'm sure Karl Rove has it memorized. Lets never forget that all you need for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. Bush knows it, Rove knows it, Cheney/Wolfowitz/Feith/Perle and the rest of the Century 21 (all we need is another Pearl Harbor) crew know it.

The best description of the Republican convention I've heard is "Kafkaesque". It operated on an inverted reality. An equally good term would have been Orwellian. Killing is heroism. Cowardice is honor. Christianity is best used as a rationale for mass murder. Stealing is charity. We're there, my friends.

The Republicans are right about one thing. They are looking to the future. They are attempting to create a world where capitalist thuggery completely demolishes the concept of a citizenry with any common bonds of decency. The fundamental principle upon which our Constitution was based - that the power of a monarch must be forever prevented by an incessant application of checks and balances - is in their crosshairs and they are only waiting for this one election to pull the trigger.

These theives and rapists have been in absolute control over our government for the past four years. We are facing an inevitable recession. We have lost 1000 young soldiers and - tell me you can't even care about this - over 26,000 have been maimed. TWENTY SIX THOUSAND American youth have been maimed. 30,000 Iraqi civilians are DEAD. Innocents all. And somehow, CLINTON is still responsible for this. Or better yet, John Kerry.

I don't expect any of this to break through the walls of beer, porn and the NFL that the American public has been successfully narcotized with. But the truth is growing clearer everyday that we have abdicated our nation to neo-fascists with no responsibility to anyone other than their own corporate profits. Our traditions and heritage as Americans is being torn out from under us, with the COMPLICITY of the Conservatives and their redneck buffoons.

History marches on. The country that was once a beacon for dreamers will become the source of a new exodus. And history will show, Godwins law be damned, how these uber capitalists managed to coopt the propaganda strategies of both Goebbels and Stalin to do it. And how the hypnotized masses behaved as hypnotized masses always have, and cheered them on. With little purple heart bandages on their ugly, fat, overfed white faces.

HoThere

Fuck Godwins Law. It's just another way to divert the conversation away from the way the Republicans are stealing our identity as Americans right in front of our noses. Read Mein Kampf. I'm sure Karl Rove has it memorized. Lets never forget that all you need for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. Bush knows it, Rove knows it, Cheney/Wolfowitz/Feith/Perle and the rest of the Century 21 (all we need is another Pearl Harbor) crew know it.

The best description of the Republican convention I've heard is "Kafkaesque". It operated on an inverted reality. An equally good term would have been Orwellian. Killing is heroism. Cowardice is honor. Christianity is best used as a rationale for mass murder. Stealing is charity. We're there, my friends.

The Republicans are right about one thing. They are looking to the future. They are attempting to create a world where capitalist thuggery completely demolishes the concept of a citizenry with any common bonds of decency. The fundamental principle upon which our Constitution was based - that the power of a monarch must be forever prevented by an incessant application of checks and balances - is in their crosshairs and they are only waiting for this one election to pull the trigger.

These theives and rapists have been in absolute control over our government for the past four years. We are facing an inevitable recession. We have lost 1000 young soldiers and - tell me you can't even care about this - over 26,000 have been maimed. TWENTY SIX THOUSAND American youth have been maimed. 30,000 Iraqi civilians are DEAD. Innocents all. And somehow, CLINTON is still responsible for this. Or better yet, John Kerry.

I don't expect any of this to break through the walls of beer, porn and the NFL that the American public has been successfully narcotized with. But the truth is growing clearer everyday that we have abdicated our nation to neo-fascists with no responsibility to anyone other than their own corporate profits. Our traditions and heritage as Americans is being torn out from under us, with the COMPLICITY of the Conservatives and their redneck buffoons.

History marches on. The country that was once a beacon for dreamers will become the source of a new exodus. And history will show, Godwins law be damned, how these uber capitalists managed to coopt the propaganda strategies of both Goebbels and Stalin to do it. And how the hypnotized masses behaved as hypnotized masses always have, and cheered them on. With little purple heart bandages on their ugly, fat, overfed white faces.

Jim in Chicago

Gee, when Lefty McLoser started jabbering about Fascists taking over the media prior to their putsch I thought he was going to talk about the Dhimmicrats as the fascists. You know, b/c they dominate the media, from tv to publishing houses etc.

I guess he thinks CNN, the BigThree, et al are part of Karl Rove's master plan tho.

Thanks for making me laugh. Altho Kerry's poll nmbers already had me in a good mood.

Big sign of the coming landslide is when Lefty McLoser and his/her/its ilk start talking about the "false consciousness of the masses."

"Oh those stupid masses, boght off by football and beer, if only they knew that Bush was a fascists and John Kerry their bestest pal."

chortle, snicker.

Jumbo

HiThere/HoThere said: "An inept administration, headed by a cowardly Manchurian candidate, via Rupert Murdoch and Clearchannel, have purchased the major instruments of public information."

How clever of you to have detected our success. Not too many people know that we control the dissemination of information by having purchased Reuters, NYT, LAT, WaPo, BG, SF Chronicle, SFGate, Atlanta JC, STrib, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, PBS, MSNBC, CNBC, MTV, VH-1, E!, Comedy Channel, Screen Actors Guild, Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, Recording Academy, and all the rest. Thank goodness we decided to buy up George Soros and all those 527s last year. And I think we did a really thorough job of destroying all known prints of "Fahrenheit 911", don't you?

Because we have such control of the media we were able to suppress news of the huge violent protests we staged in Boston that were aimed at shutting down the DNC. You know, the one where we had shirts and signs and shouts of "Fuck Kerry!" for four straight days; the one where we tossed ballons full of our own waste at Dem delegates and police; the one in which we slipped so many undercover protesters into the actual convention to scream insults at Kerry and the other speakers. Yep, pretty sly of you to notice. How discerning and fair-minded you are.

So welcome back, GT (your HiThere/HoThere dodge is safe with me); we've missed your wise and insightful posts.

Jim Glass

"Fuck Godwin's Law. It's just another way to divert the conversation away from the way the Republicans are stealing our identity as Americans right in front of our noses. Read Mein Kampf...."

This is parody, right? ;-)

Fred

Isn't it great how the democRATs are able to call someone who straps a dangerous explosive rocket to his back (Lt. Bush's F-102) a "chickenhawk", but someone who gets three purple hearts for self-inflicted wounds and puts himself in for other medals is a courageous hero? I really loved how Kerry's Midnight Mass(Hysteria) Rally in Ohio accused millions of voters of being less than men for accepting deferments during the Vietnam war. Keep it up, Senator, and you will lose worse than your old boss, Gov. Dukakis!

Fred

Isn't it great how the democRATs are able to call someone who straps a dangerous explosive rocket to his back (Lt. Bush's F-102) a "chickenhawk", but someone who gets three purple hearts for self-inflicted wounds and puts himself in for other medals is a courageous hero? I really loved how Kerry's Midnight Mass(Hysteria) Rally in Ohio accused millions of voters of being less than men for accepting deferments during the Vietnam war. Keep it up, Senator, and you will lose worse than your old boss, Gov. Dukakis!

Red State Ranter

"The Ballad of the Pink Berets"
(Written during the recent DNC Convention, sung to the tune of "the Ballad of the Green Berets" by the late Army Staff Sergeant Barry Sadler)

Slighting soldiers on TV,
telling lies to you and me,
4,000 dims come here today,
only 3,999 for the pink berets!

Paint yellow stripes upon my back,
did you hear Moore's latest crack?
4,000 dims come here today,
only 3,999 for the pink berets!

Ron Reagan prances onto the stage,
in Kerry-land, he's all the rage,
4,000 dims come here today,
only 3,999 for the pink berets!

AFSCME, NARAL, NEA,
PETA, NOW, and ERA,
4,000 dims come here today,
only 3,999 for the pink berets!

Osama hopes the John/Johns win,
he'll have free reign to hit again!
4,000 dims come here today,
only 3,999 for the pink berets!

The-ray-suh says: "Let them eat cake",
Ted's mighty thirst he tries to slake,
4,000 dims come here today,
only 3,999 for the pink berets!

Ted toasts the crowd-Ron pirrouettes,
then Michael Moore he slams the vets,
4,000 dims come here today,
all of them wear the pink beret!

Reprise:

Slamming our soldiers on TV,
he is way above both you & me,
"Don't you know who I am"?
"Yeah I do, the world's biggest ham".

TM

History marches on. The country that was once a beacon for dreamers will become the source of a new exodus.

I doubt it.

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