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May 11, 2005

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The Indigent Blogger

I posted on the New York Times article today as well, but I have some questions trying to figure out what is actually happening the with the food aid. Choson Ilbo, whose reliability as a news source I am trying to ascertain, reports that citizens in Pyongyang are having their rations cut-off by the government.

TM

OK, shameless self-promotion is our life's blood - here is a link to the Indigent Blogger on China.

mw

China's playing an odd game that I don't understand. If N Korea goes (and stays) nuclear, that's going to give a major kick to Japan and South Korea to build up defenses and probably go nuclear themselves--something presumeably that China very much does not want.

And not only does China have the leverage of oil and food shipments, but China could also eliminate North Korea's security concerns by taking it in under China's own nuclear umbrella.

Bottom line seems to be that the N Korean nuclear problem isn't yet solved because China doesn't yet want it solved--but why exactly?

TM

If we accept the very reasonable presumption that China wants stability, then a non-nuclear, non-collapsed No Korean government would seem to be a logical goal for them.

Which might be consistent with the theory that they are privately pressuring NoKo. But why not admit it? If a non-nuke NoKo is clearly in their interest, they hardly look like US lackeys by publicly pressuring No Korea.

Patrick R. Sullivan

I think China's game is 'chicken'. They want a free hand with Taiwan, and think they can trade their help with North Korea for that.

But Bush just told them 'no', with his anti-Yalta speech.

Crank

The brussels sprouts reference just baffled me.

Friedman thinks the EU has the kind of power over Iran that China has over Kim. I doubt that. Maybe EU plus Russia, but not EU alone. The role of Russia can't be ignored.

SteveMG

Hmm, it may be the time to play our Japan and/or Taiwan cards.

E.g., extend our nuclear umbrella over those nations. Express a willingness to share our nuclear technology with them.

Time to play hardball.

SMG

richard mcenroe

No! No! No!

This is ALL George Bush's fault!

He should have fixed it in 1994 when he had the chance!*

*per this Sunday's news shows...

The Kid

China knows that a non-nuclear, non-collapsed NorK government will last but a short time, a year or two at most. Little Kim would no longer have the leverage to support his lavish lifestyle because any aid from the US would be closely monitored to prevent the continuation of his kleptocracy. Those around the little jerk would feel the pain and quickly realize that there’s but one solution to their misery.

China and South Korea need merely look at the German experience to see that unification would be rocky – 27 times worse that what the Germans have experienced – and expect that many in the north would try to move where economic conditions are better, and that would likely be China. The SKors are not thrilled at the thought of reunification and may be unwilling to lend a hand after over fifty years of separation. They might send some aid, but the lack of technological literacy and education among their brethren to the north would seem to rule out any sizable capital investment or permission to move to the south.

China likely figures that it would, one way or the other, bear the brunt of the eventual collapse of the NorK regime. That would further aggravate internal friction within China. While we read about the dramatically improving economic conditions within China, there are still desperately poor areas whose inhabitants would not be too thrilled with aid to NorK immigrants or to the collapsed country itself.

So China might be acting in its own self-interest, waiting for the US and Japan to come up with a big funding package that would sustain the north upon regime collapse. The problem is that the US and Japan don’t believe that they have the resources to spare. China is betting that Japan would find it cheaper and easier to come up with the aid than to develop its own nuclear forces.

Slartibartfast

Is this the same 8000 rods they've previously announced having extracted all the plutonium from, or a different set? Anyone?

beautifulatrocities

China props up North Korea because Kim Jong Il keeps us busy while Beijing threatens Taiwan. Lately China has been making Sudetanland-type rumbles about 'protecting the sovereignity' of Taiwan, but it can't take it by force - yet. As long as Kim Jong Il & George Bush play chicken, Beijing is happy (& knows it has nothing to fear from the UN, which wouldn't utter a peep if China swallowed Taiwan like dim sum)

John "Akatsukami" Braue

"All China has to say to Kim Jong Il is: "You will shut down your nuclear weapons program and put all your reactors under international inspection, or we will turn off your lights, cut off your heat and put your whole country on a diet. Have we made ourselves clear?""

To which Kim could respond, "Hell, dudes, I've already done that myself!"

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