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October 19, 2005

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leah

Any chance Judith Miller got acquainted with Ms. Plame during the time she was writing the book "Germs", published post-9/11. She interviewed CIA weapons experts, including Richard Clarke and others within the Wilson/Plame circle. Also, check out Victoria Toensings article in Human Events. She describes nothing more than a covert CIA operation against the President.

Sue

For what it's worth, David Corn is now calling for a 'report' but saying it is too late for democrats to ask for one, they will be seen as cry foul after the fact. He has been gung ho that indictments were about to be issued. Interesting that he is in spin mode now.

Larry j

Larry Johnson and his VIPS friends are working overtime to feed "rawstory". Why would any WH staff worry about criminal threats when they know by the time their trials start, they will be pardoned anyway?

By the way, there is no problem with discrediting a critic...especially when that critic is a proven liar. Please hold all "outed wife to get husband" crap.

Thank you.

clarice

TM, Although Bolton is hirsutely unchic, I don't think that's reason enough to finger him. As for anything he said to Judy in jail, I suspect the idea that he'd used the jailhouse visit to suborn perjury or urge obstruction of justice was bound to pop up among the same deranged folks who ignore that 99 people visited her in jail, including Russert, who apparently has a great deal more to be worried about than does Bolton.

Jim E.

TM,
Out of curiousity, I'm wondering if you'd want FitzGerald to issue a report if no indictments are sought. Obviously, given your political sympathies, you'd do an endzone dance from here to eternity and mock any suggestion that FitzGerald issue a report. From what I've read, he doesn't even have the authority to issue one if he wanted to anyway.

On the other hand, given the time you've put into all of this, all of the mysterious turns this story has taken, all of the unanswered questions we still have -- I guess I'm wondering if a small part of you (the non-political, non-partisan part) will be disappointed if the story would end next week with no further revelations.

clarice

What sources do you suppose were in on this chat betweeon the President and his closest advisor? Doesn't pass the laugh test, but that virtually nothing on this case (including Miller's account of her testimony) does these days.

windansea

I'd like a report on how Joe Wilson could describe forged niger docs 8 months before we had them

how bout you Jimeeee??

kim

Disappointed for curiosity unsatiated, but perhaps exhiliharated at being unchallenged for the story.
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Go Metro

I think no one will be indicted.

Tom

Tom, before you're making a great deal out of these Raw Story articles, whose authors purport be relaying information I've seen in no other media from people "familiar with Fitzgerald's probe."

The Raw Story articles were penned jointly by Jason Leopold and Larisa Alexandrovna, two very left-wing alternative media journalist activists who write for venues such as The Nation and Huffington post. I don't say that such individuals are necessarily lying, exaggerating, or always susceptible to the kinds o wishful thinking that just might lead them to frame information according to a preconcieved agenda, but just Google these two reporters.

Here's some nice commentary by Larisa Alexandrovna from the Huffington Post:

"It seems that our dear President needs smoke blown up his ass regularly in order to maintain his fine swagger and shit-eating grin."

Are we really to believe that such a person has close and reliable friends working out of Fitgerald's office?

macranger

It's amazing that RS talks about "target letters" when MSM reports that Fitz hasn't decided.

Snag....

Syl

You know, I hardly think

"coordinated effort by Cheney’s office to discredit the agent's husband"

is a crime.

And discredit is a far cry from revenge.

Tom

Really, you need to google the two "journalists" who are pushing this stuff in RS.

The idea that a couple of far left Michael Moore types would have contacts that nobody else has in the office of a leak-obsessed Republican special prosecuter is totally unbelievable.

Further, everything they say is based on "several sources familiar with Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s probe."

What the hell does that even mean? I'm familar with Patrick Fitgerald's probe. Aren't you? Do you suppose Joseph Wilson might be as well? Such an open-ened description has to be taken with an entire truckload of salt.

CaseyL

Fitzgerald can't "release a report" afterwards. It's not a matter of whether he wants to. As I understand it, the law regarding Special Prosecutor GJs (as opposed to Independent Counsel GJs) says no reports are issued afterwards.

Patrick R. Sullivan

'The Raw Story articles were penned jointly by Jason Leopold...'

Who got fired by Salon for his stupid story about Army Sec'y Tom White back in 2002. Who admitted that there are people he's worked for who vow never to do so again.

kim

Like Paul said, the last rattling gasp. I chortle.
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TM

Out of curiousity, I'm wondering if you'd want FitzGerald to issue a report if no indictments are sought. Obviously, given your political sympathies, you'd do an endzone dance from here to eternity and mock any suggestion that FitzGerald issue a report.

...I guess I'm wondering if a small part of you (the non-political, non-partisan part) will be disappointed if the story would end next week with no further revelations.

Well, if there is no report, I will feel like I have watched the first twenty three hours of "24", and missed the big finish.

As a partisan hack, I suppose that "no report" might be acceptable.

But my official editorial position (which may be unpublished, but follows logically from my call for Congressional hearings) is that we need a report.

At a minimum, this story will never go away, and Dems will be whining about this to my grandkid's grandkids.

And if the WH did wrong, they should pay. I just don't think the CIA should get all the referree's calls in a CIA v. White House leaking match.

I also want the report to include the chichanery by the press, Wilson, and the CIA, and I suspect that not all of that will be covered (but the press will be hammered).

But yes, I want a report for personal satisfaction and to heal the public indifference. "Wounds"! I meant "wounds"!

clarice

There won't be a report. And as for a Congressional hearing-PHEH--the worst way to get to the truth.

You have to write the book TM. You know it. I know it. And if I had your mother's address I'd persuade her, too. ;).

TM

No perort? As a grim partisan, I suppose there is an advantage to sending the Dems even further into the fever-swamps of their many conpiracy theories.

Of course, unless Fitzgerald indicts everyone up to George, Laura, and Barbara, there will be plenty of unsatisified Dems.

And a trial (or trials) will leave a lot if unanswered questions.

kim

Your umpire's so blind the pitcher balked the ball into the right field bleachers and he called a strike.
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Jeff

As a grim partisan, I suppose there is an advantage to sending the Dems even further into the fever-swamps of their many conpiracy theories.

You've gotta be kidding me. Sure the right doesn't have a lock on conspiracy theories, but have you been reading the comments from righties here? You'd think Joseph Wilson has both powers of mind control and time travel, as well as the CIA, the State Dept, the NYT, the WaPo and who knows what else under his spell.

kim

Ironic that the spokesman for the Bush Lied, People Died Meme was such a charlatan. Nobody legit could bring it up. And when his legitimacy is challenged, the keg goes off.

Joe is analogous to the Downs child used as an IED.
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harrison shepard

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PATRICK FITZGERALD TO FUCK HIMSELF? IF SO, CAN HE? PATRICK FITZGERALD IS THE SAME GUY WHO HAS MOLESTED LITTLE BOYS. FITZGERALD GOT FIRED FROM HIS JOB AT AN ALL BOYS SCHOOL FOR FONDLING FIVE YEAR OLDS.

clarice

well raimondo has gone around the bend--again..http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7681

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