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November 29, 2005

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Jim E.

Cooper wrote his story AFTER he testified. I thought I read Viveca would do the same. She hasn't given her statement under oath yet.

topsecretk9

Jim E IS 100% correct. She said she was poised to give a full accounting after she testifies.

R FLANAGAN

What I want to know is who leaked V. Novak's
position to Woodward .

topsecretk9

100% may have been a little strong, here is WAPO

"Novak is not related to Robert D. Novak, the columnist who first disclosed Plame's identity in July 2003. Viveca Novak is expected to write a firsthand account after she is deposed."

So it is fair to say that she probably has not officially testified (today perhaps?) Anyhow...from her account I suspect we get 2 or 3 nuggets worth parsing but meaningless because they will be in such cryptic reporter parse speak it will get nowhere.

topsecretk9

CRAP...I left a tag open..please tag closers, please, please do your magic and close it?? Please, please, please!

boris

r flanagan

Keeping score:the V.Novak interogation now get's removed from the prosecutorial abuse
column .

topsecretk9

Boris-
THANK YOU!

topsecretk9

Found a bug in Safari...once the open tag happens it will NOT correct the view when someone closes it. FYI.

MayBee

Maybe next time Time will do better than a cryptic announcement.
Just be glad you didn't start some frenzied letter-writing campaign.

cathyf

We have this whole narrative from Rove and Luskin, where in June, 2004, Luskin found the email that Rove wrote immediately after the welfare reform phone call with Cooper. That as soon as Luskin found the email Rove took it to the grand jury and testified that it appeared to be a contemporaneous documentation of the phone call which Rove says he does not remember.

As I speculated on the earlier thread, perhaps Viveca had something to do with sending Luskin searching Rove's computer for something to do with "Cooper" and that this is what turned up the email that the WH computer geeks had missed because it didn't have any of the subpeonaed keywords in it. Maybe she told him that Cooper was protecting Rove, and Luskin said "He is?!?" And Rove said, "He is?!?" If Fitzgerald had been looking at this as a case where they didn't come up with subpeonaed documents until 6 months after the subpeona, and Luskin's defense is something like, "we didn't know what we were looking for until Viveca gave us some info," then of course Fitzgerald would want testimony establishing that she gave them info and when.

Speculation, but it does seem to match the seemingly friendly tone of the Fitzgerald-Novak interaction. Someone else pointed out that Viveca is not testifying before the grand jury, but rather being deposed by the SP lawyers. That would certainly be consistent with tying up a loose end for something he's not indicting about.

cathy :-)

topsecretk9

Cathy F throws cold water on some and freezing on others, maybe.

I happen to think (disclosure: I KNOW I COULD BE VERY WRONG) that V-Nov said something and didn't know it, Luskin heard it and put it in his "wait and see" pocket, and when indictment talk started floating his way he pulled out his "wait and see" card and threw cold water on Fitz.

I only say and think this because of the way the admin. has been treating this investigation--i.e. POLAR treatment to the Starr investigation.

topsecretk9

forgot "opposite" with polar

Jim E.

If Viveca did give Luskin Cooper-related info, she must have been pretty dang obscure about it. As late as July 2005, Luskin was seriously claiming that Cooper's predicament (Cooper was about to enter jail) had nothing to do with having Rove as his source.

Will Luskin testify under oath, too? If not, why not?

r flanagan

Oh please. Let's not have lawyers
testifying. That way narcolepsy lies.

topsecretk9

Coopers only predicament only revolved around the nuanced reporter/comic's "confusion" about his waiver (which I really think had to do more about his NOTES than his actually having to testify)

Rick Ballard

TS,

If your NOTES said "remember to get Val's recipe for 'CIA Blueberry Trifle' for Maggie" right under "10:30 - Brunch - Corn & Wilsons" you'd be protective too.

kim

Yeah, I like tying up loose ends. That's what second grand juries are used for traditionally, right?
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topsecretk9

oh yeah

but you forgot "catch up with Krtst"o's" about Pinc"o's" Brunch"o" and see what they THINK about my conv"o"'...

topsecretk9

HEH

Pinc"o'

Oh WOW, that is an unfortunate inconvenience.

kim

Blackberry Delite.
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kim

In the Washupo.
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Rick Ballard

CIA Blueberrys trifling on Blackberrys

kim

Sounds Blue Toothsome.
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Kate

Kim - the second grand jury is for the Woodward evidence, not for Rove.

topsecretk9

Rick
Fri-July-10th
10am - naked magnificence time
11am - try and figure out a story that might impress my new editors
5pm- dinner with the Corny"ies" HEH Pincus's and a bunch others were their too!

9:45 - Corn and that guys were good
10am - Don't get all "WAR" out on Wilson-- yeah, yeah Rove.
3pm- Tenet talked- blah blah blah
7-pm- BOY was I funny tonight with...

Sat- July- 11th

3pm laid out in all my naked magnificence I took a call from Libby, isn't that funny and cool? anyway Libby said pretty much the same shit Rove did


BIG GAP erased by Rosemary's very long leg


Wednes - July 26
Holy shit David was right! Tenet kiss my keyboard!

clarice

All right. You erred. Enough already. There are some other more pressing problems--like UN salaries may be held up because they won't reform and we won't pay unless they do. It's so tragic.

kim

Thanks, Kate. I'm actually pretty dumb.
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Senior Gabon

kim - know B"A" - you'd be a numb brah! whities be all in themselves brah!
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topsecretk9

Senior Gab
Could you give us a hint at what you mean???

Kim of course is poetic and our little treasure!

Cooper is in trouble is what I think. Cecil has the MOST sexy answers to this all and Kate chimes in with a psyche venture ---B ut I think the Coop is in trouble of HELPING Rove!!!

kim

Hey Pa mina,
get in lina.
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kim

Take numbo,
Mambo Gambo.
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kim

Take a numberah,
Hootsie Tootsie,
Shake a bumberah,
Watusi ma Tutsi.
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senior Gabon

the UrrANIUM IS bright brah
we be thinkin' Niger brah
but the road was wide in Gabon bra
draggin' it to Niger had America Sunkin' brah
if they went to Niger it would all be a "De-Bunkin" brah

senior Gabon

Say what?
Oh my, Gabon has been the prize all this long, long time brah?
Take a trip diplomatically, brah!

senior Gabon

I am TOO anxious brah
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JM Hanes

tops
"Found a bug in Safari...once the open tag happens it will NOT correct the view when someone closes it."

When you forget an end-tag in your post, you can correct it in a subsequent post by typing the end-tag twice in a row.

Dwilkers

"Will Luskin testify under oath, too? If not, why not?"

No, of course not. He's Rove's lawyer.

"Yeah, I like tying up loose ends. That's what second grand juries are used for traditionally, right?"

I think Kate has that right. The second GJ is for something else, probably related to the Woodward thing.

I think Cathy's hypothetical is probably fairly close to what's going on - although it may not be directly about the Cooper thing, it could be some other obscura. It would explain why Fitz would be trying to understand a conversation between a third party and Rove's lawyer, which was is really dicey territory. It never did make much sense within the context we were mulling.

Dorf

Just keep holding on for that pension. My how glamorous.

kim

Gabon pere,
Do you dare,
Lay out bare,
What there is there?
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noah

News for the Plame obsessed. She is retiring after 20.

cathyf
When you forget an end-tag in your post, you can correct it in a subsequent post by typing the end-tag twice in a row.
...and in every browser but safari, it'll appear just fine. I haven't found anything that will close the tags in safari, though. Coupla weeks ago we had a really long comment thread, and by the last half of it, the comments were boldfaced, italicized, and had some really funky thing going on with the blockquote tab so they were this very skinny column with gobs of whitespace on either side.

See what you're missing? ;-} Every so often I try to change to firefox (which I use on the pc) but it has a tendency to freeze up. And I've got multiple multi-tab bookmark setups and I'm just too lazy to redo the setup yet again for netscape.

cathy :-)

willem

Gabon confluence: Kofi, Wilson, Chirac, Savon? Senior? More? Por favor?

Neo

Did Viveca Novak know Ms. Flame worked as a WMD analysis for the CIA ?

Rick Ballard

Neo,

Who didn't?

topsecretk9

Cathy f

So that's the thing with Safari. WOW people are tech savvy.

cathyf

Yeah, safari is a little rough. I've heard that if I upgrade the OS to 10.4 then I can get the latest version of safari and lots of those annoying bugs are fixed. But its eccentricities are trivial compared to IE sending your credit card and bank account numbers and pin numbers to organized crime gangs in Russia. It just amazes me that people would enter personal information into a microsoft product.

cathy :-)

Syl

Cathy

Why someone who thinks as logically as you do, spouts nonsense like that about IE I don't know.

That's just silly.

boris

Microsoft isn't evil but their stuff is in serious need of the kind of improvement Japanese competition brought to the auto industry.

kim

Oui, Guillaume, s'il vous plait.
Rendez-vous tous les tetes.
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clarice

Damned techno-showoffs.

JM Hanes

cathy

I'm using Camino which I liked a lot till I discovered that when you copy/paste you only get unformatted text, the contextual menu is primitive, and it won't grab URLs with clippings. That's when I discovered its support pages truly suck. I'd go back to Safari if it would import my bookmarks....[sigh]

Thinkin' about 10.4 myself, as I expect by now the early adopters should be about finished working the kinks out.

Sue

Safari? Do I need to bring a gun? What the heck is Safari? :)

Sue

Ahhh...Clarice...someone after my own heart. :grin:

JM Hanes

boris

"Microsoft isn't evil..."

Can't remember which product I was contemplating, but the last MS EULA I read included granting them the right to "update" & make changes to your software automatically. Microsoft and China are a perfect fit.

JM Hanes

Clarice

When I was just getting started, my sister told me that the biggest problem for the novice is that by the time someone knows enough about computers to help you out, they can no longer communicate in human terms.

JM Hanes

Sue

"Safari? Do I need to bring a gun?"

Depends on what kind of troubleshooting you've got in mind!
(Safari is the default Macintosh alternative to Internet Explorer:)

cathyf
(Safari is the default Macintosh alternative to Internet Explorer:)
Not quite -- safari is a browser which is an apple product. There is an MSIE for the mac, but microsoft officially abandoned it a couple of years ago. Netscape and firefox both run on lots of architectures, including wintel and mac.

When microsoft first started writing a browser, the engineers came up with the brilliant scheme of giving it away for free in order to drive netscape out of business. But Bill and Steve were very hostile to the idea of "free" and so the business model had to include some sort of revenue producer for microsoft. The engineers came up with the idea of inserting code in the browser that could send information back to microsoft, which they would then use to target advertising at the users. This was all hypothetical, because there was no advertising on the internet then, hackers have produced much superior techniques for constructing spyware, and in the intervening years microsoft has never turned the code on and never made any attempts to spy on IE users using that code. (Unlike Sony...) The Russian mafia found the code about 2-1/2 years ago, and after 6 weeks of frantic programming, microsoft released a patch and the security hole is closed.

Unless there is another one... Microsoft has a history of hiding these back doors in their code, and when hackers find them and exploit them then Microsoft patches the code to remove the backdoor -- but only after it becomes a security problem. I prefer to stick to a browser where the developers have never tried to spy on me. (Besides, I can't imagine living without tabbed browsing...)

cathy :-)

topsecretk9

okay I am using 10.4.2 and safari is still hanky-ish (IE with left open tags that have been fixed)

JM - Thank you for the info on how to close tags. At least
I can fix it for others if I leave one open.

Syl

Actually, Cathy, most security holes are fixed before they become a problem. There are hundreds of people out there trying to be bad guys and finding stuff..then alerting the public to the problem. Which then alerts MS and they fix it. MS also finds stuff on their own.

Putting uncalled code in a program is nothing new and nothing nefarious in and of itself. I used to do it myself. And when you consider the millions and millions of lines of source code no company is going to hunt it all down and remove it with no reason. Unintended consequences occur with fixes just as they do with original coding.

And actually very few security fixes have anything to do with 'hidden code' but have more to do with calls to OS functions that on a local network would be no problem but can be exploited over the 'net.

I actually USE IE and have for years, ever since it surpassed Netscape in features and stability. I have yet to be infected with anything. (I use a software proxy server which is a big help. But I use it with EVERY browser.)

Syl

Actually, to fix tags left open, you only need one close tag. Not two.

But put it first in the message.

boris

Syl,

The usual mistake is putting two open tags instead of an open and close.

That's why the safest fix is two closers.

Syl

Boris

Ah. I see.

BurkettHead

If I can remember that far back, Netscape gave their browser away free when they were trying to sell website authoring software. Microsoft actually borrowed the concept of giving away the browser from Netscape.

Syl

JM

the last MS EULA I read included granting them the right to "update" & make changes to your software automatically.

If you choose to let them. I haven't seen any MS software that doesn't give you a choice. Of course, I don't have much, so something may do it automatically without letting you say no. I just don't know of it.

I allow MS to update IE automatically with security fixes. Other fixes and updates I handle myself. The same with XP.

Even still, it automatically downloads the fixes but I still can choose whether to install or not and when.

I find it very very convenient.

And why don't you also object to antivirus software which does the same damn thing?

topsecretk9

Apparently Wilson called Novak an a-hole and jerk in a speech today. Drudge link not working.

Dwilkers

My my. Joe does go on and on. I guess he assumes (probably correctly) that few people know what kinda guy he really is.

Thanks for the heads up TS. I guess.

topsecretk9

With all this tech talk can someone tell me why Dwilks link will not work for me...it goes to safari can't find server page.

Kate

Wilson is indeed a class act. Maybe when Shy Spy Val divorces him he can marry Cindy Sheehan. They deserve each other.

topsecretk9

is the link working for everyone? I can't get to it.

kim

Not for me.

But Joe ceases to amaze me.
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topsecretk9

Well anyways I am wondering if he keeps this up, the press veil of support comes off. Even the "No big fan's" of Novak (and Woodward) aren't going to like this guy trashing there profession.They just might see that as a "smear campaign".

topsecretk9

there = their

Jim E.

"Wilson is indeed a class act. Maybe when Shy Spy Val divorces him he can marry Cindy Sheehan. They deserve each other."

Speaking of "class acts," Kate smeared three with her post. Impressive. And so "classy."

Jim E.

What month and year did Karl Rove's lawyer find the Hadley e-mail?

topsecretk9

"He referred to the Iraqis as “assholes,” and Saddam Hussein as a “madman.”…”My wife was the first American spy to have her identity compromised by the American government,” he said….He also had harsh words for [Robert] Novak, calling him an “asshole” and a “jerk.”"

Northeastern Speech

topsecretk9

oops link

according to Dinocrat

Sue

Holy safari apple MSIE mac microsoft Netscape firefox and wintel. I knew I should have brought a gun. ::grin::

cathyf
is the link working for everyone? I can't get to it.
Yep, I got it just fine. Even though I'm in safari.;)

cathy :-)

JM Hanes

Syl

"If you choose to let them. I haven't seen any MS software that doesn't give you a choice."

Normally, they give you those options, but legally, it may amount to little more than a courtesy when they do. If they use the same license agreement as the one I read & rejected, then they aren't actually required either to ask or inform you. IMO, it's an insidious back door into your computer. On the anti-viral side, I'm not on a network, except for web access, of course, and with the exception of emails, I'm afraid I have the typically way-too-casual mac user's attitude toward the risk of infection.

Kate

Jim E. I've noticed that whenever anyone criticizes Joe Wilson it is a "smear".

The attempt by Cheney's office to defend itself from the lies of Joe Wilson is a smear

The Democrats have a new 11th Commandment.

Thou must not speaketh the truth about Joe Wilson.

Kate

Jim E. I've noticed that whenever anyone criticizes Joe Wilson it is a "smear".

The attempt by Cheney's office to defend itself from the lies of Joe Wilson is a smear

The Democrats have a new 11th Commandment.

Thou must not speaketh the truth about Joe Wilson.

kim

It's sort of a cliche, like 'Bagel with a smear'.
Joe and smear go together like hot nuts and beer.
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Jim E.

Kate,

Please point out the "critique" of Wilson in your 4:32 post. Your post was a childish mocking of the guy, not some sort of "truth," as you now claim. It lacked any substance, so spare me your self-righteous defense of it as the pursuit of "truth."

Joking about the break-up of Wilson's marriage is all well and good, but considering you did it IMMEDIATELY after chiding Wilson for his lack of class was too rich. Your own post was hardly classy. That's all I was pointing out. Pot, kettle, that sort of thing.

kim

Slime does kind of smear off Joe. Drip.

Hey Val, who you gonna call?

I wanna new hug.
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kim

Sorry, art forced me to that artifice trying to join Ghostbusters to Huey's desires.

Maybe: I wanna new lug.
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kim

I sure see a new mug.
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kim

If she's Val, she's appalled. If she's not appalled, then is this Val, uncovert?
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cathyf

kim, isn't that a schmear with the bagel? Hmmm... Maybe that esplains Joe's anti-semitism...

cathy :-)

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