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February 10, 2006

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larwyn

TM
This word needs to get out:

Clintonistas going after Curt
Weldon to stop AbleDanger inquires

From AbleDangerBlog today:
snip

....Bryan Lentz, 41, a Swarthmore attorney who volunteered for combat in Iraq, agreed to pull out of the race for the seat of U.S. Rep. Curt Weldon, and run instead for the state House, against Thomas P. Gannon, a 28-year Republican veteran.

Joseph A. Sestak Jr., 54, a recently retired Navy vice admiral who worked in the National Security Council in the Clinton administration, has the inside track to take on Weldon in November.

Paul Scoles, who ran against Weldon in 2004, also quit the race this week and endorsed Sestak. Anyone who has been involved in local politics knows getting two candidates to drop out in one week almost never happens. Someone is worried where this Able Danger story is headed.

A commenter suggests contributing to Curt Weldon's campaign -if you want the Able Danger story to come out. If Weldon loses in November - chances are it will be dropped.

I agree with that.
Rep Curt Weldon
Click here: Able Danger Blog
AbleDangerBlog

That the CLINTONISTAS are beside themselves to
stop the Able Danger story is no surprise.
Nancy Soderberg showed up on Tucker Carlson last night
after long hiatus from cameras after her stunning remark
to Jon Stewart during her book tour.

When Stewart remarked that after the success of the 1st
election in Iraq - "What if Bush is right! My world view (paraphase) would be shattered"
Soderberg responded" We still have Iran and North Korea".

Last night Soderberg told us that Clinton had done a
better job on terrorism than Bush is doing!!!!

So they are sending in the low level troops and Albright's
buddy Wendy also showed up again after long hiatus, on
either CNN or MSNBC.

Their A list is busy with convincing Americans that
the NSA & CIA jails/renditions leaks were by "whistleblowers" and that Plame was covert and that
Bush lied about WMD.

Hope many will support Curt Weldon - we need him
in Congress.

clarice

VERY "uncanny sources close to the investigation"--so very uncanny they seem nonexistent.

Gary Maxwell

Has Mr. Waas begun a stretch at Raw Story? Its seems right out of their playbook.

Gary Maxwell

If you want a laugh follow TM's link to The Prof above and scroll down to the comments. There one Puke is holding forth about some blogs having too many "uninformed" comments.

What color would say that kettle is, Paul?

Lew Clark

When is the MSM going to call for Fitzgerald's firing. According to them, Fitz has the goods on Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby and assorted clerks and cleaning people. But, he can only come up with "misremembering" charges against Libby, the lowest ranking of that "big four". Don't we need a federal prosecutor with the skill to prosecute people for really, really, really serious crimes when he finds proof of their commission.

clarice

Lew, I wondered who was stirring that pot at Kos and SU-You devil.*wink*

clarice

DU--

steve sturm

I wonder if this non-news has anything to do with why Fitzgerald didn't charge Libby with any breach of secrecy-related crime?

Lew Clark

Shhh Clarice. Over there I'm not Lew, I'm John Kerry!

clarice

steve--if you can find a single way to make the charged conduct fir the IIPA, wire Fitz because he couldn''t with or without the Waasnicht tale.

clarice

Lew, you're lowdown and sneaky. I like that in a man.*nudge*

Roy Lofquist

So, Libby was authorized to disclose "classified" information. Guess what. If the President says to disclose it it is not classified.

Jeff

Hey TM - Now that Cliff May stands alone (or at least apart from Dickerson) in his apparent dishonor, how about a followup? Your prodding of Dickerson worked so well, you'd think May would be more than happy to respond to someone on his own side of the aisle, no? Unless there's something else that would trump that consideration. I can't imagine what.

clarice

Jeff, I think he's going to be a surprise witness--disquised as the ubiquitous evil genius R/S/S

Jeff

clarice - sorry, I don't get the R/S/S joke. Explain?

maryrose

Schrummy on Hardball-God he looks like Rove-but now he's talking about Cheney-going the way of Michael Brown but then says "who would run the country. Repub- says CIA had responsibility to give good info. Pilar is getting all the kudos here and Schrummy really hiding his true identity is singing of the praises of Pilar. Now he's saying it was Cheney's CIA and now the administration has a credibility chasm. Chris has to hold Schrummy back so other guy can talk. Chris said Kerry saw same intel and Schrummy says more people should have stood up tp Chalabi. Andrea Mitchell in her report about Pilar says Pilar claims Iraq AlQueda connection MANUFACTURED by the White House.
In The immortal words of Butch Cassidy" Who are theseGuys?" Any help in this area?

maryrose

Jeff:
Two weeks ago we had a storyline going that Rove was actually in disguise as Soros and Bob Schrum.

owl

Dick Sauber (Matt Cooper's lawyer) just had a very interesting conversation with Matthews about if Cheney could declassify. He held that the President can give the VP that authority to act for him.

Put bluntly......ya barkin up the wrong tree if you think he can't. (or so Coop's lawyer says)

Jeff

Thanks, maryrose.

clarice

Here's the thing about the left embracing Pillar. He believes the nincompoop Intel agencies should be independent like the Federal Reserve. Now, the people who are bitching about "warrantless searches" re Al Qaeda phone calls, are embracing someone who wants to make those nitwits almost oversight and removal free.
Luckily for us, that idea conflicts with the Constitution which still vests with the Executive the power to determine national defense.

And what's his thesis? Sure, we were wrong but it's so un-fa-ir that we didn't get the final say so.

Lou Grunt

"Paul Pillar Speaks, Again
The latest CIA attack on the Bush administration is nothing new.
by Stephen F. Hayes
02/10/2006 4:15:00 PM "

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/713hkkee.asp

kim

Would Tenet count as a 'superior' to Libby?
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kim

Thank you, Lou. I just love it. Hayes highlights a late '98 email from Clarke to Berger documenting an Iraq-al Qaeda link in the aspirin factory Bill took out in the afterglow.

What did Berger steal? I think it is still important to know, else why was it important enough to steal? Any ideas short of torture to get him to spill it? An appeal to patriotism? Oh, why do I even ask?
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Truzenzuzex

TM:

C'mon, leads are hiding in plain sight.
Heh. Can you imagine this line in a NYT story:

ReddHedd, who writes at blog "firedoglake", pointed out in a blog post that...
We'll know the apocalypse has arrived when that happens...
Cecil Turner

If you want a laugh follow TM's link to The Prof above and scroll down to the comments. There one Puke is holding forth about some blogs having too many "uninformed" comments.

That is hilarious! And this one is even better:

Libby's lawyers did issue a "denial" today -- but oddly enough, what was "denied" was something that no one had asserted... []
1) that Libby planned on using the "I was just following orders" defense. [. . .]
2) that there had been a conference call between Libby's lawyers and Judge Watson.
Oh really? Do tell, p.luk. Seems to me that if we bother to read the first comment on that thread, and follow the handily provided link, we find 1)
I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, will in part base his defense on the claim that Cheney instructed and encouraged Libby to share classified information with reporters . . .
and 2)
Libby's attorneys discussed the matter with prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and the judge in the case in a recent conference call, the sources confirmed.
The denial follows. Considering he's nearly perfect at being wrong, I think I'd take p.luk's disdain as praise.

kim

He's probably dead wrong about the 'key' bit being the authorization by 'superiors'.
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kim

However it may be an exonerative bit if 'superiors' turns out to be any or all of the trio of Bush, Cheney, or Tenet, thus a tune in a different key from the strings he is pluking.
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Lew Clark

Think of it. Libby reports to Cheney, who reports to Bush, who reports to the people of the nation who elected him. I am part of that electorate, thus Bush's superior.

I told Libby to leak that stuff. And Libby understands the constitution, so he did it!

Cecil Turner

It seems to me there's little of interest here, even if you assume it's true. The Executive is responsible for all classification and declassification, and this was obviously decided at the highest level. The contention that Cheney may not have perfectly followed declassification procedures is of interest only to his boss (and only if he disagreed with him on the point, which seems doubtful). Further, it's obvious from some of the other official comments (e.g., Rice's immediately before Tenet's statement on the "16 words") that they were in fact trying for some spin management before the intel was released. (Which is not the same as "before it was declassified.") Considering the ridiculous inferences by the press on the whole Wilson thing, it was probably justified.

clarice

Cecil, some days my brain hurts from the amount of stupidity flying around. On those days your clear thinking beats aspirin.

kim

You just get a nice endorphin release realizing that sense can be made of things.
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maryrose

Clarice,Cecil, Kim,
I know I count on you three and Rick included to make it all clear for me.

kim

The clarifiers outnumber the obfuscators here, but I battle on despite the odds.
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owl

Yep...so someone tell me what Berger stole? I'm with you Kim, it had to be a lu-lu to make it worth that risk. Did anyone ever figure out anything that made sense? I don't want to miss anything....

clarice

I suspect it was some notation on the papers which implicated him or Clinton is wrongdoing or misfeasance which related to AQ or Saddam or both and which he feared would be damaging in the 9/11 hearings.

OTOH for all I know it could have been an old doodle in which he indicated Kerry was a dunce.

kim

And I can't help but believe the information he's concealed is still important. I hope he roasts in a particular hell unless he comes clean.
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clarice

I thought the dog and pony show the Dems pulled at the time amusing.


http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3704&search=clarice

Rick Ballard

A marginal note "Gorelick says we need to back off on Able Danger, the boss agrees."

Just a marginal note.

clarice

Could be. Would have made is embarrassing, wouldn't it?

Or "BeniVeniste will cover for us if the shit ever hits the fan."

kim

Historians will damn him for his subterfuge.
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kim

He's lost the benefit of the doubt.
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clarice

When your very name evokes laughter, I think you can kiss away the thought of ever being considered for a high level national defense position again.

But then who am I to talk? I never imagined the Dems would take Viet Nam traitor to the troops Kerry and make him their nominee. And the notion of planning a whole campaign around his reporting for duty was so absurd, even loaded and posting on the Friday night R/S/S thread, I could never have imagined it.

noah

Saw a report at NRO media blog that MSNBC has misreported that Cheney told Libby to disclose Plame's identity...how can those idots get things sooooo wrong?

maryrose

Noah,
Because at MSNBC they are obsessed with getting either Rove or Cheney frog-marched out of the White House. Every little tidbit is immediately blown out of proportion and then the lying begins and subsequently- nothing-no retraction-no we were wrong-nothing to fix the perception.

maryrose

I agree clarice,that Kerry reporting for duty with that salute was so hokey I just had to laugh out loud. Then arriving by boat was another piece of "look at me" theater. Remember when he had to wear that goofy space get-up and then got all mad when newspapers printed his picture? My all time favorite two were- wind-surfing and yelling at the secret service guy after Kerry fell skiing. Of course with teresa it was the" Shove it" moment.

kim

Time and time again the liberal paradigm reveals itself to be farcical. It's a postmodern irony.
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kim

Here's young folks on Dems defeating SS reform: Why are those folks so gleeful? It's my blood, sweat, and tears being sucked off where they ain't needed.
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maryrose

Kim;
I mean the dems are actually standing up and cheering,well they lost my son and daughter's votes with that childish display.

kim

Possibly Rove and Bush's greatest rope-a-dope. Your childrens' demographic is growing; the demographic that still believes in the Ponzi scheme is not.
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Larry

Mtp just now. Roberts says 250 analysts interviewed during Senate intelligence investigation, including, "this gentleman" (Pillar). No such rhetoric from any analyst, including, "this gentleman".

Larry

Sorry, MTP*= Meet the press.

windansea

when is Cinco de Fitzo?

Larry

Harman's final comment from the other side of her mouth, she'd have voted against going to war if she'd known the weight of intelligence was that Saddam was "effectively contained".

Larry's recap: Hour-long round table with Russert, Hoekstra, Harman, Daschle and Roberts amounts to Daschle and Harman covering their butts despite Roberts and Hoekstra overwhelming with facts. Very disappointing after believing Harman had some sense that she retreated to the resevation.

Larry

reservation* previewed, too sigh

Leonidas

Typical moonbat paranoia at work here. The NYT is just dying to see Cheney go down.

Not gonna happen though.

owl

Yes Larry, Harman was the last great hope. Makes you wonder if she and Leiberman ever get any outside news.

clarice

Well, they held a gun to her head. Still she is the one Dem in Congress who knows most about the program and is its strongest defender..Her assertion that the statute should be reworked to make the program "legal" is the minimum she can say without getting knifed in the party's cloakroom.

I have no doubt that she is the smartest Dem in Congress.Only an unfortunate sex scandal hardly known outside this area, stands in her way of being on the ticket-She would be an appealing candidate for VP.

kim

It may be, Clarice, that conservatives will forgive the scandal sooner than liberals.
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kim

And from the other side of my mouth, what container did she expect to hold him?
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Larry

I've been rooting for Harman for weeks now. She's HOTTT! Not just physically attractive, but apparently bright, the mind being the most important sex organ, no close second. Pragmatism be damned. Some day some "statesperson" somewhere will figure out that the courage of one's convictions is apparent and important to us, the great unwashed multitude. Of the 100# of esteem I had built up for her, she lost 80# in the last 2 minutes of the program.

maryrose

Larry:
I also saw the show and was similiarly disappointed. Let congress pass something that makes them feel better;meanwhile President Bush will continue defending the country. Both Daschle and Harman said they agreed the program is necessary and now we have them on tape stating that.

danking70

Did Harmon say the NY Times should be prosecuted?

Cecelia

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184416,00.html


This story says that Libby was given permission by Cheney to leak the contents of an NIE, as opposed to info about Libby.

What gives.

Leonidas

If Klinton hadn't ignored the warnings of Able Danger, there is every reason to believe we could have stopped 911. For that, Klinton should be tried for treason.

Cecelia

Info about Plame, rather. Sorry

clarice

It's poppycok--

Cecelia

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/09/cia.leak/index.html


CNN is also reporting that Libby was only authorized to leak an NIE, rather than info about Valerie Plame.

larwyn

Maybe they can get Cheney on:

ASSAULT WITH AT DEADLY WEAPON

Breaking News on CNN top of hour:

Cheney accidentally shot a fellow
hunter with pellets from shotgun
blast

Now I have two reasons to want Monday to come:

1)New episode of "24"

2)Watching Matthews and his buddies
lay there "plans" for the Vice
President.
Look forward to use of:
CHICKENHAWK

VP is cover, who would bring charges.

Fits in with evil.

SS used to like people.

clarice

Well, well the VIPs are still playing:

The CIA’s top counter-terrorism official was fired last week because he opposed detaining Al-Qaeda suspects in secret prisons abroad, sending them to other countries for interrogation and using forms of torture such as “water boarding”, intelligence sources have claimed.
Robert Grenier, head of the CIA counter-terrorism centre, was relieved of his post after a year in the job. One intelligence official said he was “not quite as aggressive as he might have been” in pursuing Al-Qaeda leaders and networks.

NI_MPU('middle');
Vincent Cannistraro, a former head of counter-terrorism at the agency, said: “It is not that Grenier wasn’t aggressive enough, it is that he wasn’t ‘with the programme’. He expressed misgivings about the secret prisons in Europe and the rendition of terrorists.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2036182,00.html

kim

It'll jerk for awhile, Cecelia, before it dies.
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kim

They are bold, aren't they.
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larwyn

FOX reporting as "spraying someone
with birdshot".

CNN said V P Cheney shot someone!

"That greedy bastard, just like
Halliburton. These people don't care how many die. As long as they
get their bird!"

Dems in tissy - "Can we Impeach the
Vice President 1st?" CNN'S "legal
analysists" are working on it right
now.

richard mcenroe

Cheney understands that Our Dark Master Karl requires sacrifices...

Jeff

I guess Cheney is no more competent at hunting than he is at anything else.

And I see where they're trying to blame the guy who got shot. It's all about personal responsibility until something goes wrong. Then it's always someone else's fault. What a bunch of whiners.

Rick Ballard

If someone could write the music for the 'Loser's Lament' I think I know where to find the lyrics.

topsecretk9

And I see where they're trying to blame the guy who got shot.

OH PULEEEESSSS! Jeff.

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed. I really had you as a tad smarter. What a let down.

Um, let's see. You obviously aren't a hunter, as your ignorant comment demonstrates ( so you look even more dumb, wow!)

And for personal responsibility? WTF are you talking about? 1- did someone tell you the lawyer that happened to be "peppered" was UNABLE TO SUE? Could he sue the PLACE (which is what most people like you apparently do) for having conditions that allowed for such a thing to happen?

And secondly, it's people like you that seem to make every f'ing mistake that happens in f' life A FAULT rather than an accident. And it's people like you that think that because they can't wipe there ass they need to BLAME someone else for it.

Talk about whiner. And um, talk about (yet again, your best attribute) "cherry-picking" what you want to hear...Jeff, you are much better when you have your Libby hard-ON.

topsecretk9

BTW

James Brady smacks Courtney Love dog lake
of blogs (i.e. hamster), he was gracious enough to not name names but um, it's hard to hide from his embarrassment.

" Some of those angry about Howell's error didn't bother to present all the facts on their own sites. Instead, they picked the facts that conveniently fit their worldviews and ignored anything that didn't. One prime example: It was largely the reporting of the Washington Post that brought the Abramoff scandal to light in the first place -- an inconvenient fact if one is attempting to assert that The Post takes its orders from the Republican White House. And many bloggers who offered up Howell's error as proof of The Post's right-wing leanings gladly point to Post articles that reveal faults of the Bush administration. The selective reading isn't limited to the Howell incident. One site refers to a "fantastic" Post piece by a "first rate" journalist on eavesdropping, then talks about the paper becoming "a complete swamp of simpering kow-towing pantywaists."

"My favorite story from this adventure involves one blogger who proudly runs a no-holds-barred blog that relishes name calling. Nonetheless, we invited this blogger to participate in an online discussion about ethics on the Web. During the discussion, this blogger peppered me with many of the same questions that I'd answered in other forums. In one of my responses, I noted the investigative nature of her questions and suggested that when she was done playing Columbo, she might actually discuss the topic we'd invited her to discuss. More than 50 of this blogger's readers later sent e-mails to me demanding a public apology for comparing this blogger to a fictional television detective. One of the complaints about my manners closed by telling me to go do something unprintable with myself "and that Wa:Po rag you ride about town." Uh, thanks."

joe

"Reader C.T. writes: "I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy ."

kim

Oh, c'mon, guys, Jeff was there. Why else would he know so much about what happened. Speculation straight to conviction? Not Jeff's game.
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narciso

How about Gore, regailing the Saudis in Jiddah. Would Landon
or Hoover, done a tete a tete in Berlin or Tokyo in 1943. On another note , how does Grenier hink we get data out of the
madrassa footsoldiers turned out by the ISI

maryrose

Re; Cheney- more ammunition for the dems-whoops-probably not the best choice of words there.

windansea

I guess Cheney is no more competent at hunting than he is at anything else.

Posted by: Jeff

hmmmmm...lets see we have an obscure troll dissing the competence of the current VP of USA, former congressman, minority whip, white house chief of staff, secretary of defense, CEO of Haliburton etc etc

priceless

Lew Clark

Headline this morning "Hunter shot by Cheney in Very Stable Condition". If you only read the headlines, you'd get the impression that this poor hunter, probably a Democrat, was out trying to kill something to eat so his family wouldn't starve. He got too close to Cheney's bunker and Cheney nailed him with an illegal assault rifle.

Cecil Turner

What I'm looking forward to is Saturday Night Live. If I were them, I'd devote the whole show to it: NSA hearings--Cheney pops up and shoots somebody; political rally--Cheney pops up and shoots somebody; State of the Union--Cheney pops up and shoots; unrelated skit--Cheney pops up . . . And they have all week to work on it! Ooh, this is gonna be good.

maryrose

I agree this is real fodder for the late night folks like Leno, Letterman and Conan!

Sue

Actually, Cheney is an excellent shot.

Sue

There is a guy on our local radio talk show that has called in complaining he had to work over the weekend and Cheney had the weekend off to go bird hunting. Beyond that, one bottom feeder (politician) shooting another bottom feeder (lawyer) ain't no biggy.

All I can say is...good grief...

clarice

Apparently the presser at the WH is a classic BDS display.

topsecretk9

In hindsight I'm happy the press is falling all over themselves over this, because I think it's high time they get a public scolding for acting like a bunch of hysterical nuts.

I can't imagine Mr. Whittington is any different than most sane recipients of an accident. My oldest brother knocked out my my 2 front teeth with a baseball bat when I walked behind him. He felt worse than me, just hand wringing worry (me, I knew I walked into him and I relished his profuse attention surprised I wasn't in trouble for being so stupid)

That the media are besides themselves they weren't instantly notified is just the height of arrogance. The factors including the rural location, various transportation to various medical facilities, contacting local authorities and just notification and travel of his family alone and the media sees cover-up or worse. Pathetic.

No matter what manner the media are told they would still find some fricken reason to freak out, outraged at the slight.

I hope when Mr. Whittington is feeling better he alone scolds the media for acting like they were the ones injured and tells them to get over themselves.

joe

Cecil
I think the media just upstaged Cheney for the SNL skit.

Sue

My favorite question...would this be more serious if the man had died?

And people wonder if the media is biased. They aren't biased. They are idiots. ::grin::

topsecretk9

Sue

Sue,

I was amused by the incessant pounding on just why an average citizen, a regular nobody was ALLOWED to report this to the press! How unworthy this person is to be the one informing the press! Don't you see how demeaning this is to us important press people, who deserve to be the first responders, to be informed by an actual eyewitness, and a mere peasant at that! You stole, STOLE our opportunity to question the accidental nature of this situation, so now we are left with nothing but throwing a tantrum and made up hand wringing over A DELAY! How dare you?

Lew Clark

If it had been Cheney that was "accidented" and it had been kept secret, then they may have a point. We need to know the physical condition of #2. But this is between Cheney and Whittenton and really none of MSM's business.

BTW, what was the time delay on notification every time Hillary bounced a lamp off Bill's head?

Or for that matter, when Bill got a little to feisty and bit a White House staff member during “normal routine fondling”?

clarice

Heh-the Rovian plot continues:
"Has anyone suggested that the entire birdshot incident was orchestrated by Karl Rove so that Dick Cheney could be replaced as VP with his favorite 2008 candidate? After all, every moonbat,er, everyone knows that nothing happens in the realm of this universe, much less in the administration, without Karl Rove’s fingerprints being all over it."http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=12414

Sue

Personally, I wish they had called a press conference immediately. There seems to be no reason not to and it would have given them one less thing to b!tch about. I'm sure they would have found an angle anyway, but to give them a free one is silly.

Sue

You may have something, Clarice. I heard one reporter today ask if Cheney would be forced to step down as VP.

clarice

Pathetic. Last week he should resign because of Waas Nicht's make believe, this week because of a hunting accident--or is the real complaint he didn't call the MSM so they'd have the story firsst?

topsecretk9

"Has anyone suggested that the entire birdshot incident was orchestrated by Karl Rove so that Dick Cheney could be replaced as VP with his favorite 2008 candidate?

firedog lady was speculating this was the motive LAST NIGHT!

Sue

Of all the scandals that were going to bring down the Bush administration...buckshot did it. ::grin::

Cecil Turner

Oh, this is all silly (and a very good thread for it). It was kind of a blast from the past for me, though. On my last base before retirement, we had a similar accident (dove hunting, one guy peppered another, but only with a couple of pellets). We had to write an accident report and ended up blaming the victim (mostly to avoid further paperwork, but that's poppycock: it's always the shooter's fault). He was holding forth in the O club [paraphrased]: "I don't mind him shooting me as much as calling me an stupid a**hole in the mishap report." We bought him a couple beers and laughed about it.

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