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March 21, 2006

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clarice

I think after they've been served, the process server will file them with the court. I don't recall any time limit as to when these are filed.

topsecretk9

actually, they haven't said diddlee squat...it's till not fit to print?

larwyn

$929,000.00! Now we know their price. Wonder if they're humming "It's Hard Out Here for a Ho"?

From Gateway Pundit:

To Pay Bills, No Genocidal Regime Too Evil for New York Times


Tough times demand tough measures... and a change in policy from last month!

Gotham Gazette reported on a shameless eight page long advertising section in today's New York Times promoting the nation of Sudan:

While human rights activists and others applaud New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof for his coverage (by subscription) of Sudan, some are appalled at the paper's business side for accepting an eight-page advertising insert singing the praises of the government of the African nation, which is widely considered responsible for genocide against its own citizens. The supplement lauds Sudan for facing a "peaceful, prosperous and democratic future," and, according to felixsalmon.com criticizes the media for being "focused almost exclusively on the fighting between rebels and Arab militias."

They have to get the money to pay for Kristof to travel to get all those heartwrenching stories.

clarice

Isn't that something!

topsecretk9

They have to get the money to pay for Kristof to travel to get all those heartwrenching stories.

Yeah Larwyn

and what highly paid *flack*, like say *Jacquline* Wilson or the equivalent to Sid Blumentahl finagled that in? -- Argh, don't tell me, they had special UN plates.

topsecretk9

Sudan Ad insert's fit to print, a story about their own subpoenas? nada.

And tell me why they are the end all be all again?

larwyn

Gateway has a lot in the post,
worth a read!

We know it is OK when muslims kill Christians - no problem for the NYT's - but in Sudan the Arab Muslims are killing the Black Muslims also.

Just the show of the total lack of any morals at all by the LEFT!

At least that is what one of the
"Craze Whiners" thinks.

topsecretk9

Jim Lobe. I remember was the author, but he did an (1999?2002? I know it was pre- Bush)

article on all the retired gov and *diplos* getting buukuu bucks from Afro countries and Jacq. Wilson, Wilson's second wife getting a boatload from Gabon to write letters to US gov about AIDs.

FYI, there was mention lately that Clinton *forgot* to sign up as an international biz person ala Dubuai...this is the subject of the Jim Lobe article...signing up and declaring all your mullah...

And Jim Lobe noted that all this was/is public information, in essence if JC International Ventures, Inc. (or who knows what variation is used now) , Rockcreek...alll available with freedom of information act.

Unless you are on Schumers crew, I guess no one finds this interesting?

larwyn

An outfit called Summit Communications sold the ad for the NYT's.
More from the GatewayPundit Post:
...Daily News columnist Lloyd Grove quotes a Times spokesperson as saying the paper took the ad because of "our strong belief that all pages of the paper " news, editorial and advertising " must remain open to the free flow of ideas." But Mickey MacLean at World Views speculates that "it also didn't hurt that an estimated $929,000 freely flowed into the newspaper's coffers as a result of the section."

topsecretk9

After Barney's wonders I had to laugh at all the flack cboldt took today...especially since under some old (like a 3 days ago) thread he posted a *formatted* copy/pasteable version of the motion to compel AND he's a freeper!

Welcome to the jungle Cboldt, John Cole aka DougJ has really made it friendly and I guess John Cole is just advancing the debate in his own special BS way.

topsecretk9

Larwyn

Money talks and believe me (because I do the ads), the ONLY way a paper makes any money these day is ad SPACE...ever wonder why the CAR sales section is thicker than the main?

When the dealerships realize (and that day is coming sooner than the papers realize) their getting more hits on the their websites newspapers die.

Cell phone offers and cars are the only ads papers have.

topsecretk9

Cell phone offers and cars are the only ads papers have.

I'm talking big ad buys...lika a full, of half.

Which makes me laugh at how dishonorable a local paper was to one of our advertisers no less than a year and 1/2 ago...the paper would promise such and such with color and then the day of bumped it back black and white. Every time. Advertiser got fed up and pulled it altogether.

Oh, that big paper was recently sold.

larwyn

ts,
Fully aware of how newspapers generate their revenue.

What makes this really funny is Pelosi and I think it was Biden were at something today that was on CSPAN about US - MEANING BUSH -
not doing anything to stop the genocide.

As GatewayPundit's post shows the new NYTs policy is quite a bit different than it was a few weeks ago when they weren't interested in a free flow of ideas by publishing the Danish cartoons.

Hope all the dictators that Jimmy Carter and the UN love, get up some coin to help out the NYT bottom line.

IIRC - didn't they recently refuse to take advertising from a pro life or Christian group - or was that another paper?

larwyn

A Bible ad, I think?

topsecretk9

Larwyn

don't' miss the tasty instasmack down.

http://instapundit.com/archives/029269.php

note to Glenn...discourage your cult members from using *your* name in their correspondence...for obvious reasons.

topsecretk9

Greenwald, that is

clarice

TS--I read sometime ago that the NYT relied more and more heavily on political ad revenues..

Gary Maxwell

Wadda ya know, I head off to get some shut eye and TOP starts blogging about porn! I miss all the fun.

And TOP, do you have some reason to back up your statement that John Cole = DougJ? John claims to be a Republican, though its hard to tell most of the time, but he is more rational than the bulk of his posters. I would not have thought he was using an alter ego on his own site but maybe you know better.

topsecretk9

Gary
He fostered and coddled the frankenstein experiment...he gets all the credit...but hey, the other day I read DougJ bragging he was all of JohnC's commenters, most all commenters here and and other places...then DougJ was speculating that JohnC was comment spoofing his own site, so don't blame me getting that idea.

Gary Maxwell

most all commenters here

Topdoggie = DougJ

Yet you seem so rational and composed, how do you do it?

Sue

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2006/03/why_should_you_.html#comment-15267563>Top

Pacer has a policy that if you don't use more than $10 in one year, you don't received a bill. But as far as I know, they charge .08 everytime you search and then .08 for every page you open, with a maximum of 30 pages. If you are a party to the lawsuit or an attorney involved, you get one free view of a document, then after that you are billed. Other than that, I know of no way to avoid the billing charges.

topsecretk9

Oh, I think it pretty clear that I'm not DougJ - unless DougJ does likes to to spend alot of time actually helping TM.

NOT

But you are so cute...Gary = DougJ?

Nope, John Cole is DougJ

topsecretk9

Thanks Sue

That is sort of what I thought.

Gary Maxwell

Actually I am also Bob In Lalaland and AB except sometimes my dyslexia comes out and I sign in as BA.

TallDave

He shoots... he scores!!

Nice one TM.

maryrose

Barney Frank:
As you can see because of my job I can't blog real late at night-{I live in the Midwest }and depending on how the day goes sometimes a little before and after dinner.
I also agree this is the best blog because of the respect and support and generally good ideas that are brought forth.The archives can be helpful in getting up to speed. If I'm on vacation; sometimes I will stop at a library and check in. It's a lot of fun and you do learn a great deal of information from other posters.

Whitehall

I'm with Owl - I'd bet the reporters lied. Now, if they conspired to lie, would they be face double charges of lying and for conspiracy?

Actually, the VP's staff work is so admired in Russia, that Vladimir Putin has named his son after Libby:

Scooter Putin.

Of course, you won't be reading THAT in the NYT.

Brian

It's a shame Libby isn't charged with child molestation. These same reporters would come to his defense in a second.

boris

I agree Boris isn't the idiot

Hey I can be ... just watch!

Who says there can only be one idiot anyway?

Sue

Scooter Putin.

Yikes...

AST

Hey. I worry about reporters' rights. I worry that they claim more rights than they really have, and think they have more rights than they claim. I worry that they think The Press is the fourth branch of the Federal Government, and that nobody can hold them to account for lying, misleading and generally abusing the protections they've been given.

No, I don't want to repeal the First Amendment, but if they're going to cause people to be investigated and indicted, they'd better be willing to back up their reporting with proof. Freedom of the press cannot trump the rights of a defendant to confront witnesses against him.

Maybe they'll think of that in the future, before they start throwing charges of damaging national security around. If they were really concerned about national security as they professed when they were whining about Valerie Plame's identity, they'd be clamouring to prosecute the NYTimes for publishing the existence of the NSA wiretaps.

Rutten is one of those weasels who pride themselves on their ability to spin invective, but can't defend it in person. I heard him on Hugh Hewitt's program and he's about as bold as a chipmunk when you start asking him questions.

Lysistrata

"If they were really concerned about national security as they professed when they were whining about Valerie Plame's identity, they'd be clamouring to prosecute the NYTimes for publishing the existence of the NSA wiretaps."

Bingo. You can't have it both ways. It frightens me that the liberals right now are so desperate to be proven right on something...ANYTHING, that they'd sabotage their own country's war effort, solely because they don't like the man running it.

kim

Some of 'em simply don't believe in war,
But what are you gonna do when they're at your door?
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JimmyJeff

I'm disappointed, Tom. I was sent here on the recommendation that you are intelligent, incisive, etc. Then, the first post I read is totally bass ackwards. To wit:

"...the interactions of Mr. Libby with Judy Miller, Tim Russert, and Matt Cooper form the basis of the perjury and obstruction charges."

NOT! Libby is charged based entirely on statements he made to federal investigators and to the grand jury.

I keep searching for intelligent conservative bloggers, but, wow, I strike out again...

kim

Yeah, sure, statements to the feds about his interactions with the journalists. No wonder your search is in vain. Light your lamp.
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Sue

Don't be too hard, Kim. I too have embarked on the same quest...only I was searching for intelligent life form in Liberal Blogavia. So far, my quest has been in vain. I instead find they have all been infected with BDS. And sadly, there is no cure available. ::grin::

kim

I gotta pass on this pleasantry: Wikipedia is TrekCentralStation.
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kim

By the way, Sue, Joe was awfully tight with the Kerry campaign when he had a winning meme. If Kerry himself hadn't been so wishy-washy, Joe and the Dems and the MSM probably would have pulled it off and Joe would be Our Majesty's representative to the people of France, today.

Now I'm more francophile than francophone, but I see a little value in a Kerry presidency there. That would be fitting.
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Sue

Kim,

I had heard that but nothing drove it home like clicking on the link that Tom had labeled Joe's site and it pops up a Kerry site.

kim

I got started on this mess reading the Micah anticipate a big yellow cake smash-up from late June of '04 on into July when Joe's ship hit the SCCI sand. That was enough to hook me.
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Sue

I came late to the Plame game. Which is why I don't have the timeline that some of you do. I am having to research as I go. I mean, I knew about it. Read about it. But wasn't that interested in it. I figured it was just another democratic smearing. Hey, wait. I was right. ::grin::

MJW

JimmyJeff, reesponding to TM says:

"...the interactions of Mr. Libby with Judy Miller, Tim Russert, and Matt Cooper form the basis of the perjury and obstruction charges."

NOT! Libby is charged based entirely on statements he made to federal investigators and to the grand jury.

But JimmyJeff, isn't it fair to say the charges against Libby are based entirely on statements he made to federal investigators and to the grand jury about his interactions with Judy Miller, Tim Russert, and Matt Cooper? Or is that too many thoughts to keep in your brain at one time?

MJW

A timeline cheat sheet for Sue and anyone else who's interested:

01/28/03 State of the Union speech
05/06/03 Kristof column
06/12/03 Pincus column
06/13/03 Kristof 2nd column
06/mid/03 Administration official talks to Woodward (mentions Wilson's wife)
06/23/03 (Friday) Libby talks to Woodward
06/23/03 Libby talks to Miller (Bureau)
06/27/03 Libby talks to Woodward
07/06/03 (Sunday) Wilson editorial
07/07/03 Fleischer says Libby mentioned Plame during lunch
07/08/03 Libby talks to Miller
07/08/03 Wilson's friend talks to Novak
07/10/03 (Thursday) Libby talks to Russert
07/10/03 Harlow talks to Novak
07/10/03 or 07/11/03 Rove mentions conversation with Novak to Libby
07/11/03 (Friday) Rove talks to Cooper
07/11/03 Novak column said to be on the wire service
07/11/03 Tenet CIA comments
07/12/03 (Saturday) Libby talks to Miller
07/12/03 Libby talks to Cooper
07/14/03 (Monday) Novak column published
07/16/03 (Wednesday) Corn column published
07/17/03 Cooper "War on Wilson?" in Time
09/26/03 Mitchell reports CIA leak investigation
10/01/03 Novak's follow-up column published
10/14/03 Libby talks to FBI
11/26/03 Libby talks to FBI
03/04/04 Libby talks to GJ
03/24/04 Libby talks to GJ
04/21/04 Cooper and Russert subpoena
07/20/04 Court rules against Cooper
08/07/04 Russert deposed by Fitzgerald
08/23/04 Cooper deposed by Fitzgerald
09/13/04 Cooper 2nd subpoena
10/15/04 Rove talks to GJ 2nd time
07/20/05 Cooper talks to GJ

Sue

Thanks MJW.

JM Hanes

WOW MJW

That's so great! Everytime I've started to put one together I've gotten sidetracked somewhere along the line, or get different conversations confused.

Do you have a date for the discussion on the airplane with Powell & the folks at State etc.? Is that the "INR" memo thing (or something) -- you can see why I have trouble sorting through this stuff (visions of acronyms dance in my head).

MJW

JM Hanes, offhand, I don't have the date for the Powell discussion, but I'll see if I can find it to add to the timeline. Perhaps I'll add a few more things, and post an updated version of the timeline occasionally when Plame/Libby news is slow or the list has changed significantly. I've found if quite helpful to know when various events occured in relation to each other. Suggestions for events that should be in the list are, of course, welcome.

cboldt

MJW -

Depending on the point of the timeline, you may want to include when Libby (is alleged to have) inquired of the CIA (and other input from "Official sources") whether or not Wilson's wife worked at the CIA.


Outstanding timeline, BTW.

kim

When, might you say, would that have been a useful thing to do, and why would it have been useful?
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kim

Is he saying that parturitic rear ends shouldn't be wide?
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kim

You know, don't you, that humans are the only mammals to undergo menopause, and a leading explanation for the distinction is that women become too valuable to risk in childbirth.
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clarice

Maybe that's the bien pensant reason. Here's mine:I'm too old to provide adequate care for a little one and nature knows that.

kim

Wrong! Look at all the Grandmas caring for grandkids. And how come that is not so for other mammals? The wisdom acquirable culturally by humans makes matrons too valuable, in a way that other mammals can't be.

This is not my own thesis. It's from an article in the Smithsonian Magazine 10-15 years ago. I'm amazed it's not become common knowledge. It's a meme that should self-proagate, not only because it is bien pensant, but because it is true.
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larwyn

Grandmothers raising children is something I do know about first hand.

I think the experience would be very different for the children having children situations. In my
case, I was at an "appropriate" grandmother age and the difference between raising my grandson and raising my own 3 children was enormous.

The true difference was where I was. I was not concerned with immediately getting back into shape having had twins. I was not concerned with becomming cut off from adult conversation as I had little time to keep up. {This was pre Pampers and I didn't trust diaper services). Five days shy of the twins 14month birthday, I was blessed with another daughter.
So again, get back in shape, keep up and fold laundry.

With my grandson, it was heaven and
truly wonderful to spend time with a child without your own brain ticking off all the things you weren't living up to in your mind.

We are valuable.

larwyn

Above also explains why I am still a bit nuts!

kim

You lucky thing, you've had it all; soup to nuts.

Good title for a biography.
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kim

You lucky thing, you've had it all; soup to nuts.
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larwyn

More apt:
"Been in the soup and now I'm nuts!"

kim

Pistachio Minestrone.
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kim

Bouillion Brazil

Mock Hickory

Cremecup Chestnut

Borscht Black Walnut

Macedoine Macademia

What's oup for breaking fasts.
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