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sad

TM
I was surprised when I read that short blurb of Kevin Drum asking about the missed parts exonerating Bush. He usually falls in line with the left, just a little better written and not as shrill.

clarice

All good. But if Fitz had asked for these notes Libby wouldn't have had to subpoena them, and I think (a) it means Fitz is still studiously avoiding investigating anything exculpatory and (b) no one knew about this so I give the WaPo kudos for transparency.

cboldt

TM


A likely answer - the PACER filings, as Jeralyn noted, relate to the organizations that are *contesting* their subpoenas

Maybe *contesting*, but not necessarily *contesting*. The seven cases have in common a Motion to Extend Deadline for Production -or- failing production, delivering a Motion to Quash or Modify.

It may be that all seven will file Motions to Quash, or between the seven, a mixture of Motions to Quash and Motions to Modify. Or, some or all may produce the material specified in the subpoena, that is not contesting the subpoena at all.

The current order to Russert reads as follows:

ORDER directing movant served with a Rule 17(c) subpoena pursuant to the Order of February 27, 2006 shall produce the designated items on April 18, 2006.

It is further ordered that any movant seeking to quash or modify subpoena issued pursuant to order of February 27, 2006, must file a motion to quash or modify subpoena by April 18, 2006. Any opposition shall be filed by April 25, 2006 and reply thereto shall be filed by May 1, 2006.

It is further ordered that the movants shall file a consolidated motion to quash or modify and the defendant shall file a consolidated opposition.

It is further ordered that this Court will hear argument on any motion to quash or modify filed by Movant on May 5, 2006 at 1:30pm.

Signed by Judge Reggie B. Walton on April 3, 2006. (zjsc)

sad

Check out this article using an Onion article to bash Bush.

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/

Maybe it was humor at Hurrah and I was just too stupid to get it.

JM Hanes

Clarice

"(b) no one knew about this so I give the WaPo kudos for transparency"

Or the kind of "modified, limited, hangout" all involved appear to be seeking.

ed

Sad, the trend for the last couple of months had been "even the onion blah blah blah, but who can even tell if it's fake anymore."

They've pretty much thrown the caveat out the window. So it’s not really humor, it's more like a resigned sigh. But yes, they do realize it's the Onion and what that entails.

sad

JM
It is the friday of a holiday weekend.

sad

Here is a posting that has folks going wild over Libby "leaking a still classified" report on Wilson's 1999 trip to Niger.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/14/cheney-ordered-libby-to-leak-classified-information/

topsecretk9

Sad

What's weird about that? Wilson's so-called report directly contradicts Wilson's statements to Kristof..so in essence the report they are freaking about would be the report that shows they're hero is a liar.

topsecretk9

they're = their

topsecretk9

Strata ... an interesting point...

The point is that these documents are exculpatory to the underlying basis of the indictment which assumes Libby had reason to commit perjury. And that reason was he was part of an effort to bring retribution on the Wilsons. Fitzgerald knows that is the basis of his case. Yet he tries to hide this exculpatory evidence, which he admits exists! From Fitz-Magoos latest filing, from the middle of Page 7:

---Some documents produced to defendant could be characterized as reflecting a plan to discredit, punish, or seek revenge against Mr. Wilson. The government declined to produce documents relating solely to other subjects of the investigation, even if such documents could be so characterized as reflecting a possible attempt or plan to discredit or punish Mr. Wilson or Ms. Wilson.---

Well, Fitzgerald seems to know he has information which demonstrates the plans to respond to Wilson. They just don’t fit his view of events so he is trying to hide them from the defense and the court.


sad

top

They are all in a stew because Jane is reporting that Wilson told her the report is still classified and this is seen as how to get Libby. No one is wondering about Wilson's legal jeopardy for discussing it and apparently Jane didn't ask him during the interview.

topsecretk9

Sad

I was about to say the same thing.

Fitz may want to make another phone call to Wilson and tell him to shut the hector up.

topsecretk9

Sad

Wilson seems to know alot about classified documents - and who has them. Recall at the Florida speech he was detailing the contents of Secretary Rice's personal file.

Wonder why Jane didn't ask Wilson how he knew it was still classified and isn't that - that it is still classified-- classified itself?

larwyn

Just posted my K-3 TAG midterm on Libby's team replies - missed fact that 3 new threads were up.

Smiling at the figurative example of a group sharing their knowledge
to tackle a problem.

JOMers do make lemonade!

Cecil, no offense taken on "recidivist".
"-the keystroke sequences are just too odd." especially for a "Dyslexic Typist"- definite faulty connection between my mind and my fingers!

Saved all tips and links - will do my homework. I promise.

Bless all of you!

Now to catch up on 3 threads....

Chants

Cboldt hypothesized:

"It may be that all seven will file Motions to Quash, or between the seven, a mixture of Motions to Quash and Motions to Modify."

It also may be that they are awaiting a ruling on the constitutional question.

sad

tops
No one ever asks those questions. The bloggers he talks to don't nor do the NYT, WAPO, etc... nor any of the "news shows."

It just seems so logical as to be the next question asked.

JM Hanes

sad

"It just seems so logical as to be the next question asked."

Not if you aren't sure you're going to like the answer.

sad

But there are some things so compelling to know that regardless of the likelihood of receiving an unwanted answer, just finally knowing that answer makes it all worthwhile.

larwyn

***Smiling at the ***LITERAL*** example***
Just glad my grandson doesn't see these posts!

cboldt

Chants

It also may be that they are awaiting a ruling on the constitutional question.


They have to follow the order, and as far as motions to quash or modify go, Judge Walton has ordered the movants (presstitutes) to, by April 18, "It is further ordered that the movants shall file a consolidated motion to quash or modify"


That means all of them will "speak with one voice," similar to the March 23, 2005 brief by 36 News organizations that no outing crime was committed. ;-)


They may make the same argument that Libby did, that Fitz lacks authority to prosecute the case. We should know within a week.

clarice

Mark Levin offers a suggestion to clarify the question of Plam'es status (we all know, i thin, that "classified" is a non-existent category)--Put Plame on the stand and question her:
"Since Patrick Fitzgerald refuses to inform the Libby defense team, the Court, or the country whether Valerie Plame was, in fact, an undercover CIA operative, here's a suggestion to Libby's legal team: Seek the deposition of Valerie Plame, force Fitzgerald's hand (he will oppose it as irrelevant to his case), and explain to the Court that the deposition relates directly to Fitzgerald's October 28, 2005 public statement to, among others, potential jurors when he brought the charges. Fitzgerald said, in part:

... Before I talk about those charges and what the indictment alleges, I'd like to put the investigation into a little context.

Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. (more)[/quote]http://levin.nationalreview.com/archives/094945.asp

Heh!

sad

Clarice
You aren't going to discuss context are you? I thought Fitz forbid context. tee hee

clarice

I was intrigued by JL's sources, sad..LOL

maryrose

clarice:
Absolutely right! If Fitz is going to make irresponsible statements at the presser he has to accept the consequences of those statements. He who lives by the sword must die by the sword.

Barney Frank

Hey larwyn,

Don't feel bad. I couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a hand full of HTML.
You're passing your midterms while I'm still in short pants and a propeller beanie.

clarice

Believe me, maryrose, Fitz weill be eating that presser for as long as this trial continues.

MayBee

because Jane is reporting that Wilson told her

WHAT!!!???? Wilson is talking to Jane now? Back off, chickie, he was almost mine!!!!!!!!!

clarice

You could have posted a warning to swallow before reading, MayBee!!!

sad

y'all are killing me!!!

Sue

Maybee,

And I was rootin' for ya to be the one. At least I know you would ask the questions we all want the answers to.

LOL!!!!

please

Yeah, Jane doesn't think Fitz was a bad guy to throw the Blind Shiek in jail, and she also doesn't think the first world trade center bombings were an act of war by Iraq. So I guess she wouldn't have any credibility with this crowd.

clarice

At Tradesports, betting that Libby will be convicted on even a single count hit an all time low of $34.

topsecretk9

I couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a hand full of HTML.

See, Larwyn -- you keep me giggling! Thanks Barney that great.

To All -- Did Maybee comment on this thread? She't the bee's knees but I think it's "Sad" that posted today.

clarice

6:31 p.m.--just above.ts.

please

Or, let me add, base her analysis on tradesports (BTW, could that reflect a pardon. Hello?) After all if Shrub can standsby Rummy - he'll stand by anyone.

clarice

Tradesports references are not analysis but an indication of how betters are trending in the real world.It seems to me looking at the chart that as Libby finally gets his shot in court, the betters who once were betting in the $75 range,share my opinion, that this case is tanking .

clarice

*ahem, bettOrs**

Specter

If you missed my post on the other thread I think there is more to the story of WaPo cooperating than meets the eye. They are starting to realize that to start making a profit again (pressured by - OMG shareholders in an evil corporate structure - LOL) and to do that they have to wage a PR campaign to make it look like they are more balanced.

topsecretk9

OOOPPPS, my way bad....thanks Clarice.

Shoot, wished I'd caught that...MayBee is the bomb and the bee's knees.


BTW -- LARWYN - you go granny girlfriend! I love that you are HTMelling your way through blogs and don't you even stop

Please -

"Jane doesn't think"

Even out of contexts, it still kinda holds up.


please

Yeah, because Shrub will pardon him before it gets to trial. Wasn't Victoria Toesning equally wingnut hubby spouting this next week. And oh, btw? ....

"WASHINGTON, April 13 — The judge in the C.I.A. leak case against Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff threatened Thursday to issue an order barring the defense and prosecution from speaking publicly about the proceedings.

The judge, Reggie B. Walton of Federal District Court, acted after a prosecutor's court filing was provided to reporters on Tuesday evening before it was officially filed on Wednesday.

Judge Walton reminded lawyers in a written order that he "would not tolerate this case being tried in the media." He directed each side to submit written responses by next Friday explaining why he should not issue an order restricting public statements about the case."

Thanks for pissing off the judge.

maryrose

please;
Do you understand the concept of loyalty? President Bush doesn't care what these generals and mainstream press think he's going to keep his team together. They hate him for it and he continues to marginalize them;Eventually they and the dems just look silly. Just like Harry Reid with his little smirk looks silly and Stupid. My hope is that he goes the way of Tom Daschle in his next senate race.

please

I will take six generals over NG shirking Shrub and when has he been right Rummy. Any day of the week.

Loyalty to Bush should not be valued over competence and skill. In this case especially, it is way too important. But then again - to you guys, the war is going just fine.

maryrose

Remember Rummy used to be known as the Stud Muffin! He even got a cover on Time magazine. He was the toast of the town. How soon we forget;a nation of amnesiacs. Since when do has been generals get a say so in a presidential appointment? Hello! They don't.

topsecretk9

Please

You may want to rethink your little "Yeah, and this too" tirade. Nevermiind...

but this

Yeah, because Shrub will pardon him before it gets to trial.

Do you really believe a pardon can be issued before a person is "convicted" -- One more time, wouldn't a "pre-pardon" sorta say, "Yes he is guilty" to the Gov't trying to prosecute to that conclusion? Again, nevermind.

clarice

Thanks, please, I hadn't heard that puerile crap in a whole day and needed someone to come here and dump that mindless crap for the one millionth time. (Has Mowlett'sAss website gone dark, or you just out for some fresh air?)

homer

Our leader is good
Our leader is great
We surrender our will
As of this date.

Why think for myself when I can let my bettors do it for me?

clarice

Ah, winged swarms of barmies..

topsecretk9

Clarice

probably one, using creative "user names"

clarice

Probably..then just barmy..

Cecil Turner

Do you really believe a pardon can be issued before a person is "convicted" . . .

Actually, I think it can. (But IANAL.)

Specter

please - Please enlighten us further about the economy too. And give us the statistics on how badly the war is going. But beware - if you quote a paper like the NYT, WaPO, Boston Globe, LA Times, Newsweak, or similar you will be laughed outta the place.

clarice

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MayBee

Thanks for the support everyone. :-) *sniffle*

I actually would love it if even Jeff could get an interview with Wilson. His questions looked good to me-- Jeff, you should try.

I guess I'm not surprised the WaPo has been a little cooperative. They shussed away the calls for an investigation in the first place, saying no crime had been committed. The NYTs were the ones braying for it, and now are the ones acting like its a witch hunt.

Specter

LOL clarice....now soylent needs to start from there...

clarice

Where the heck is he? It's time for Friday Night Live!!!!!!!!!

Specter

BTW - Rasmussen had Bush at 45% today...

clarice

I saw that--but not in any newspaper--if you get my drift..He has a secret plan:Get the media to give Kerry and Hillary ,Harry and Nancy all the air time they want.

topsecretk9

So OT, but SOO not on Drudge

April 6, 2006 - Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has apologized to the House for her confrontation with a Capitol Police officer last week.

...And a grand jury has subpoenaed two Capitol Hill aides who saw what happened.

A statement from the two aides, one works for a Republican Congressman and the other for a Democrat, was read into the House record Thursday morning.

I did not know this. link

homer

Yeah,
LOL Clarice,
Please tell us again how Sadam was responsible for the first WTC bombing?
I need a good laugh.

topsecretk9

Homer

Are you a firegogger sent on assignment from Nurse Ratchet herself?

clarice

Schumer should be able to give you the details:
[quote]SCHUMER ASKS FBI TO ADD '93 WTC BOMBING FUGITIVE LAST SEEN IN BAGHDAD TO SEARCH LIST

Iraqis offered to hand over fugitive terrorist Abdul Rahman Yasin – indicted for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center attacks – to US in February in return for military concessions

Schumer: "Unique chance to bring this man to justice"

US Senator Charles E. Schumer today asked the FBI to make searching for Abdul Rahman Yasin a top priority for the American forces now combing Iraq for key enemy combatants. Yasin is a fugitive on the FBI's most-wanted list who allegedly helped create the bomb used at the World Trade Center in 1993 that killed six and injured over 1,000 people.

"While we're looking for other fugitives, we should look for Yasin as well. We may have a unique chance to bring this man to justice," Schumer said. Schumer wrote a letter to FBI director Robert Mueller today asking him to prioritize finding Yasin.[/quote]http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/PR01627.html

MayBee

Love the list, clarice! You seem to have a bit of a fan club today, no?

Leopold's article was interesting and obviously Grossman-laden. He's also the one that supposedly leads the big Turkish arms sales ring that Plame and Edmunds knew about. He's a very busy man in conspiracy world.

clarice

Looks like what he did was find the old Post article and reprint the allegations as though his sources had told him that that is what Grossman testified to before the grand jury.

larwyn

All,
Tks for all encouragement. Must report that I failed my own K to 3 TAG midterm. I used the already hot link as the printing so it did not post as link to the Robert Godwin post:

But YowWow - we weren't really being visited by...

Ah, winged swarms of barmies..
clarice

on that thread......
hope that some of the winged will read this:
Great Leaping Leftist, My Corrupt and Degenerate Soul!

For what I really wanted back then was for my conscience to be asleep, and the last thing I wanted was to be around someone with an awakened objective conscience. That would have bummed me out. Big time.

topsecretk9

Stephen Spruiell deconstructs Waas.

I'd cut and paste, but there is too much em-FA-sis...this of course is what set off the rabid dog, I mean firedog

topsecretk9

HEY=== LARWYN


YOU PASSED

Have a highball and a smile!

larwyn

That must have been another pre-emptive winged barmie attack! I even previewed and didn't question it appearing in black bold vs blue.
Great Leaping Leftist, My Corrupt and Degenerate Soul!

woof

Here Homer, Here Homer, does wittwe sweetums want a dose of reality?

September 1998 Document: Secret Research Programs Related to WMD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613509/posts

March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1610012/posts

Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600579/posts

Document: Saddam Regime Training and Using Foreign Arab Terrorists As Suicide Bombers. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600367/posts

Specter

homer....duh. Go back to your brew.

larwyn

ts,
Not success until the 8:21post.
Not looking for easy graders!
But love you %) (now I have to learn smiley faces??? When I still haven't figured out FUBAR -
I know SNAFU, think I know the
first 4 letters, can't figure out "R"?

clarice

beyond all repair

maryrose

Reason is the word you are looking for I believe Larwyn.

MayBee

oh yeah, you gottal love Tops!
Congratulations, Larwyn!

maryrose

You go Woof! I stand corrected on the "R"

topsecretk9

woof

there ain't no way, secular...I SAID SECULAR Saddam--you know, the guy who installed a mosaic of Bush senior on the Baghdad Hotel entrance, you know the good guy who always loved the US...would collude with other Arabs as long as they were R E L I G I O U S!

And on that note, isn't a little funny -- recalling the Bush mosaic hotel welcome mat or the hit Saddam put out on him-- that Wilson the most prolific and worthy of all things Iraq -- totes this crap while toting around all his GHWB medals and letters?

Talk about hubris.

clarice

larwyn, that's a great article--and I'm jealous about your mastery of the html folderol..

larwyn

tops,
Can't implicate poor old Nurse Ratchett, she has her hands full trying to keep their med levels straight over at CNN'S "Day Room".
They just won't follow directions and not mix booze with the ritalin/prozac.

Great chart Clarice. Shame we can't have in neon form that lights up with each tired meme.

Bet CNNers and MSNBCers use as their guide each evening.

topsecretk9

Lastest RabidDog? They just put out a hit on Daily Howler -- the link TM provided.

"First off — I just want to say that there is no shame in admitting a subject has gotten too complex for you to understand. The smart thing to do when that happens is to find something else to write about or this and this is bound to happen. In a word — ouch."

"Yes, Nurse Ratchet...likewise!"

clarice

Interesting..most of the changes to the Gellman article seem purely editorial but there does seem a concerted effort by someone at the WaPo to remove the unproven and baised charges in the article.

clarice

***BIASED****

maryrose

Larwyn;
Congrats and what a thought-provoking post. You're Da-Bomb.

MayBee

Somerby is great. No partisan gunslinger, he.

I'm surprised you've never read him before, TM. I mean, I've linked to him. Does this mean you do not hang on my (or Sue or someone's ) every word?

clarice

He is great. I love to read him even though I don't agree with everything he says. He has repeatedly warned the leftosphere about lying to their readers. And he is a keen observer of the dreck analysis and reportage about education. A real mensh.

topsecretk9

Curious

noticed in the comments at Nurse Ratchet's site, a commenter pdf'd to Nurse Ratchet some portion of her post, that Nurse Ratchet felt needed to be deleted/edited or something...is this Nurse Ratchet's common practice - to assign commenters? If so, the topic of the thread

-- I just want to say that there is no shame in admitting a subject has gotten too complex for you to understand. ---

is um, a bit lusciously ironic

SteveMG

Do you really believe a pardon can be issued before a person is "convicted" . .

Richard Nixon.

The late great Caspar Weinberger.

SMG

maryrose

Barton's original article is really prejudicial. I'm curious as to where he got these supposed facts. Has Cathie Martin been ruled out as a possible source of saying they were out to get Wilson?

topsecretk9

maybe not delete who knows, but the commenter sure wants her original available. Like i said...Nurse Ratchet sure knows how to exploit, I mean butter her bread.

clarice

I've no idea. But (a) reporters often do use misleadly descriptors of sources.(b) perhaps Clark and Beers were not the only holdover turncoats on the NSC ..Just saying..

The best bet is some holdover and I think there were more on the NSC than elsewhere in the WH.

topsecretk9

SMG

rubbing it in. Nice.

MayBee

clarice-
this is what I love about Somerby- quoting from him:
"At this point, if you have to embellish facts to make a case against Bush, you ought to get out of the case-making business."

It's true about any case one is trying to make, and it is true about the case against Bush. And I think NOT embellishing is exactly what Somerby is great at doing, and more people should strive for.

Rick Ballard

R/S/S was bored. It was a very odd feeling and he searched his memory to try and recall the last ime he had felt this way. '94, perhaps? After all, beating a loud mouthed drunk wasn't much of a test of political skill. 2006 just wasn't going to be that much of a challenge. Maybe urging Mowlett's Ass to make such a big push on the CA50 election hadn't been his best idea. The subsequent realization that the Kossacks were shooting blanks seemed to have deflated them a bit - and that wasn't a good thing. His internal polling showed that determination to get to the polls intensified every time Mowlett opened his little mouth. The Kossack's shrieking could also be charted by an influx of giving on the part of party faithful. Ken Mehlman had been after him to jack up the Kossacks a little higher so that he could beat the Republican's highest off year April in history. As far as Karl was concerned, Ken could just work the direct mail and phone banks a little harder.

Boring. What was left? He'd taken out Daschle in '04 without significant effort - first time ever in knocking off the opposition leadership in the Senate. Suddenly Karl smiled. He reached for the phone and dialed a fellow that he knew only slightly. It had been a long time since he had wanted any polling done in Nevada. '06 might be boring put taking out another opposition leader in '08 would make it into the political science history books.

clarice

Yes. It's hard enough to get things right but you owe it to your readers to do your very best to get it straight. Others may view the facts in a different way. That's fair enough, but to regularly, deliberately manipulate the facts to make your "case" is to breach a trust, I think.

topsecretk9

Rick, did you get my email?

MayBee

Oh shoot, I'm an idiot. I read the paragraph that TM wrote about Daily Howler wrong, and I don't know how that happened. Of course I even KNOW that TM reads Somerby.
I was painting my nails while thinking, apparently too much to ask of my tiny brain.

clarice

"Chief Sioux," Nate answered. It was the way he always answered the private line. Paying the geneologist off to find a drop of Indian blood in him had been worth tens of millions as he managed the largest casinos in the country, The On The Reservation Chain.
And that wasn't counting the cream off the top, the accountants could only suspect.

MayBee

That's the Gellman article that carries a big old correction box at the top. We were chuckling about it the other day.

topsecretk9

I was painting my nails while thinking, apparently too much to ask of my tiny brain.

I heart you MayBee. I do that much, I think it is in the writing.. reading and thinking it sideways it hits me the opposite,

TM and others have pointed to Howler, Clarice has written a piece sourcing those guys.

clarice

"Listen,Nate,"Schrum said,"I have a plan for Harry and I need you help."
"Whatever,"Nate said.Sometime you had to pay the piper,and he was a man who knew the drill.
"Harry's coming to visit next Thursday.I want a crowd--feather bonnets and all waiting for him."
"Signs?" Nate asked,figuring he could get his bum son-in-law some printing business.
"We join with our Mexican brothers.Europeans,Blacks and Asians go home!"
"Anything else?"
Lots of Mexican flags, American flags upside down. Oh, and don't bring out the posters and flags until he's in the middle of his speech."
"Done,"Nate said, thinking, not for the first time, "that Schrum is one screwball."

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