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Lying About Lying About LyingDafydd ab Hugh The New York Times has taken upon itself the man-sized task of resurrecting Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA, 95%) from the political graveyard... and the paper has decided that the best way to [Read More]

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richard mcenroe

Don't forget the Times... and the rest of the MSM... the Right Reverend Alston, the token brutha in the Band of Brothers, who stood up in front of the DNC and testified, testified! to being at Kerry's side in the action where he "won" his Silver Star... except it turned out the Reverend had been flat on his back, unconscious, with a head wound, in an Army hospital miles away. The Reverend immediately and mysteriously disappeared from the Band and has not been heard from since.

richard mcenroe

That should read "The Times...and the rest of the MSM... missed or ignored the Right Reverend..."

jaed

Mrph. Did anyone ever get around to asking Kerry whether he did, as he claimed in January 2005, run guns to the Khmer Rouge with Lucky Hat Man?

I mean, not that I expect a mainstream media reporter, much less anyone from the NYT, to engage in such a breach of decorum. But I can dream.

kim

He's still got the hat. DNA analysis can be done on the hatband. No unknown soldier here. Cough it up. That hat might be instructive.
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Javani

The last purple heart was suspect also. He claimed he got a bit of shrapnel when a water mine exploded under of near his boat.

Problem is, that guy from Oregon (?), Rassman who joined the campaign told the funny tale how earlier that day Kerry fragged a rice bin and got covered with rice and a piece of shrapnel in the "butt."

Kerry's pal thereby affirmed the Swift Boaters account of how Kerry was wounded that day!

What's the big diff? The rice episode wasn't during hostilities. Thereby it doesn't qualify for the award.

Javani

BTW Kerry should follow the Fawlty Towers advice: "Don't mention the war."

kim

He had two injuries that day. One was self inflicted rice in the butt, the Ricible Wound. He also claimed a contusion of the arm suffered during his panic flight down river, probably the same violent nameuver that threw off Rasmussen, not a mine going off under the boat. That is disinformation that Kerry has sown, at a funeral, for God's sake. His contusion was a bruise, no blood was shed. My heart bleeds purplish for him, that day.

I was going to change nameuver to maneuver, but I like it as it came out.
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Fresh Air

Richard Mac, as usual, nails it. The Reverend Altston, though disappeared, was interviewed on Nightline with Jake Tapper recounting the Silver Star incident even though he was most definitely in a hospital over 500 miles away at the time. I haven't seen a correction from ABC, either.

No, Occam's Razor says Kerry bought off Mediros, Zaladonis and Sandusky once he got into serious contention for the nomination. They were said to previously have hated Kerry's guts and then somehow managed to turn into the backup singers for Flip Wilson. Kerry probably enlisted Zaladonis to say he was on the skimmer, since it was Kerry's word against Schacte's.

Dwilkers

Heh. You sure do love a mystery TM.

8^)>~~

richard mcenroe

Fresh Air — Ah, but it's not just Kerry's word against Schachte's. If Schachte was aboard that skimmer, higher would have known who was on the mission that night.

Fresh Air

Richard--

Yep. Plus, Schachte was certainly on the boat for one simple reason: Kerry and Zaladonis were not yet qualified to take it out on their own. Either they disobeyed orders or someone of higher rank was on the boat.

capitano

the Ricible Wound

OK, you can quit pouting now, it's a damn good line now that all has been made clear.

willem

Anyone remember that bizarre situation with Admiral Lehman and version 3.0 of Kerry's Silver Star citation? I found it telling that too was absent from Zernike's puff piece. I found this in my archives:

Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief

August 28, 2004

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.

"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

The additional language varied from the two previous citations, signed first by Adm. Elmo Zumwalt and then Adm. John Hyland, which themselves differ. The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."

Asked how the citation could have been executed over his signature without his knowledge, Lehman said: "I have no idea. I can only imagine they were signed by an autopen." The autopen is a device often used in the routine execution of executive documents in government.

Kerry senior adviser Michael Meehan could not be reached for comment on Kerry's records.

Thomas Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New York.

Lurker

Off the topic but TM might want to open a new thread regarding the connection between Jefferson, Africa, AND Joe Wilson.

Check Strata-sphere (one of the comments) and Mac Rangers.

The wife of Akita (Nigerian VP), Jennifer, recently indicted, was supposedly Joe Wilson's first wife. (But then crosspatch came back with another name, Jacqueline).

willem

What disturbs me is not the 'fog of war' differences in the eyewitness accounts. Many of the differences between the "facts" are not that compelling.

What concerns me: 1) the prospect of a pattern of records tampering; 2) the refusal of Kerry to direct the military to release his military records during the campaign and the legalistic way he seems to play hide and seek with this information now; and, 3) how all that medal production could happen to a lone Lt/JG in a mere 10 weeks of swiftboat command. Without being "stimulated" it seems a remarkable coincidence for someone who entirely avoided serious, life-threatening injury. Who else in the swiftie command produced so many medals over 10 weeks of with no serious injury prior to being discharged? How great of a coincidence was it that the "magic number" of Purple Hearts was the ticket out? Ten weeks. Just like magic.

This is why I see the Lehman revelations as so explosive. Here, in Kerry's Silver Star citation version 3.0, seems to be evidence of records tampering well beyond the emotions of Vietnam and vagaries of youth. Someone, at the request of someone, cooked this up behind Lehman's back, exploited his office and station, apparently forged his signature without his permission, and "revved up" the text of the salutation. Someone also allegedly gave it "v" for valor. This too would be bogus. Only the Bronze Star utilizes the "v" for valor mechanism.

Sara (The Squiggler)

Cross posted from other thread:
NYT is full of Kerry

This lays it all out.

RBMN

Other great work by Lipscomb:

Did Kerry write own report of disputed clash?
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB
Chicago Sun-Times
October 1, 2004
http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lip01.html>http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lip01.html

Seixon

So I guess we can put Zernike in the pro-Kerry column...

Clyde

Kerry = Loser = Over.

Hasn't everyone else figured this out yet?

If the Donks are foolish enough to nominate him again in 2008, they deserve to get Paulsened again.

Sue

Is Kerry stuck on stupid? Why would he want to fight this battle again?

Tom Maguire

Is Kerry stuck on stupid?

I don't care - I want to battle the Times.

Sue

::grin::

And you do it so well...they must really wish you weren't so dedicated.

Rick Ballard

"I want to battle the Times."

A sound ecological decision. A world without 'Pravda on 43rd St.' would be a cleaner, brighter place.

Keller and Sulzberger in felony orange jumpsuits remains a fond dream for me - go Alberto, you can do it.

Uncle BigBad

In the 2004 campaign the Democrats informally adopted a requirement that any candidate for the presidency must be a combat veteran.

Will that requirement hold for the 2008 campaign, and if so, which potential candidates, aside from Kerry, qualify?

Black Jack

Hillary qualifies. Recently found records prove she was operating a helicopter in the first Gulf War. Was shot down in combat and handily saved her crew and won the Bronze Star with Oak Leaf Clusters. Before that she was the first woman to become a navy seal. She was awarded several Purple Hearts for secret missions in Niger.

She's come out of the closet to reveal her true identity as an experienced combat vet qualified to drink too much beer, cry over lost causes, and tell war whoppers to transgendered interns and gullible Lefties.

Lesley

"I don't care - I want to battle the Times." TM

Sulzberger SUNY Commencement Address

Sulzberger:

"I'll start with an apology.

When I graduated from college in 1974, my fellow students and I had
just ended the war in Vietnam and ousted President Nixon. Okay, that's not quite true. Yes, the war did end and yes, Nixon did resign in disgrace
but maybe there were larger forces at play.

Either way, we entered the real world committed to making it a better, safer, cleaner, more equal place. We were determined not to repeat
the mistakes of our predecessors. We had seen the horrors and futility of
war and smelled the stench of corruption in government.

Our children, we vowed, would never know that.

So, well, sorry. It wasn't supposed to be this way."

Sulzberger:

"Yes, it's important that those of us at The New York Times have the courage of our own convictions and defend the rights of our journalists to protect their sources or, after much debate and discussion, publish the news that our government is bypassing it's own legal systems to tap into phone calls made to and from the United States."


It would appear as if the new motto of the NYT should be: "All the news that fits our worldview."

Sulzberger's mission isn't journalism, its about changing the world and making it a better place (The World According to Pinch) through the auspices of the NYT.

In recent years, many of us held this suspicion wrt to the NYT. Sulzberger has confirmed it.


Sara (The Squiggler)

Well how nice for Sulzberger thatn as he left the safety of his college in 1974 all full of how he and his friends singlehandedly "ended the war" (GAG!) that me and mine were waiting for our loved one to return from his 4th combat tour. We bought our first home that year and we were struggling to make it on my salary and my husband's Navy pay that even after nearly 12 years of service was still considered below the poverty level. Sulzberger and his ilk make me sick!!!!!!!!

richard mcenroe

Black Jack — Uh, no, that was Melanie Griffith. I saw the movie. What the hell, close enuf...

Tom Maguire

Now that I have the poor man's Lexis A la Carte, I am trying to double-check when Runyon and Zaladonis first stepped up to vouch for Kerry's first Purple heart.

Runyon appears in this Cox News Service story on 3/26/2004:

For 36 years, Pat Runyon has wanted to talk with the tall, young lieutenant with whom he shared a terrifying firefight in a starlit bay in Vietnam. It was an unforgettable night, the first combat experience for both of them. Although Runyon had never spoken to him, he had no...

And Runyon came forward on in February 2004, per a story to which I linked at the time; link-rot has rendered that useless, and I forgot the date.

Byline: James Kuhnhenn

Feb. 20--DAYTON, Ohio -- It happened again. John Kerry reunited this week with another former seaman with whom he shared a harrowing night 35 years ago in a dark finger of water in Vietnam.

Patrick Runyon, a 58-year-old shipping clerk from Eaton, Ohio, showed up at a local union headquarters where Kerry was to speak and reintroduced himself to the Massachusetts senator. Runyon wanted to find out whether Kerry recalled their single nighttime mission as well as he did.

"He remembered quite a bit of it," Runyon said in an interview about his private meeting with Kerry.

It was the second time in five weeks that a figure from Kerry's Vietnam past has surprised him on the campaign trail. In Iowa last month, Kerry had an emotional reunion with Jim Rassmann, a former Green Beret whom Kerry had pulled from the water during a fierce firefight between Swift boats and Viet Cong. That episode earned Kerry a Bronze Star.

Vietnam veterans have become a staple of Kerry's campaign retinue, providing a reminder of his days as a gunboat skipper and a link to average Americans for a candidate otherwise known for his patrician bearing and privileged upbringing.

The skirmish involving Runyon occurred one night in early 1969. Kerry, Runyon and Bill Zaldonis, who was Kerry's Swift boat engine man, were assigned to a small Boston Whaler to patrol a peninsula north of Cam Ranh in search of Viet Cong in South Vietnam's "no man zone."

"It was very dark, really," Runyon said. "Then we seen some cross the water. A silhouette. Mr. Kerry saw them with starlight scope. He said, 'I'm gonna pop a flare.' When he popped the flare I started the engine. We got going."

Kerry recalls the episode in "Tour of Duty," historian Doug Brinkley's book about the senator's service in the war and his ensuing antiwar stance.

"The light from the flares started to fade, the air was full of explosions. My M-16 jammed, and as I bent down in the boat to grab another gun, a stinging piece of heat socked into my arm and just seemed to burn like hell," Kerry says in the book.

It was Kerry's first real action, and it earned him his first of three Purple Hearts.

Neither Kerry nor Runyon has any idea whether they wounded or killed the enemy. In the book, Kerry says he and his crew strafed the beach, then destroyed the sampan the Vietnamese had beached.

"It was just a scary moment in our lives," Runyon said.

He'd never seen Kerry again. Until this week.

When Kerry landed in Dayton on Wednesday he was alerted to Runyon by an article in that day's Dayton Daily News. Kerry wasn't sure he remembered Runyon and asked to meet Runyon and his wife, Anne, privately, out of sight of journalists.

"I wanted to see if he remembered the incident," Runyon said. "I knew he wouldn't remember me."

Runyon said he followed Kerry's career from the moment Kerry became an antiwar activist as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

"The man had done his duty," Runyon said. "Then he came back and protested. That's the right way to do it, instead of running off or hiding away in college."

Runyon has been disaffected with politics since Vietnam. "I lost interest after that," he said.

But now, he's willing to reconsider.

"If it does help, I'm definitely going to register and vote for him," Runyon said.

(c) 2004, Knight Ridder. Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News.

Well, then - as of Feb, we also knew about Zaldonis (sic).

Terrence

First, the guy went and served, and if his stories are screwed up, so what…but, he has made an ass of himself, he is a liar, and he basically brought this episode on himself! So, two other inconsistencies mentioned from supporters of Sen. Kerry (and of lesser importance to his combat stories, but I’ll mention anyway), are that he patriotically and without reservation joined the Navy after graduating from Yale, and that he volunteered for combat. The later claim is categorically untrue. The information I have is straight from Kerry’s mouth in a New York Times article from, I think 1971 – found it in Times archives online. Regarding joining the Navy, after Kerry graduated from Yale he was hoping to study abroad, he wanted to evade the draft, took initial steps to do so, but when he knew he was about to receive a draft notice (his lottery no.?), he volunteered for the Navy so as to not be engaged in war combat (I am paraphrasing his words). Most importantly, after a year at sea, he wanted to get closer to Vietnam to see what it looked like and what this whole thing was about, but he was careful NOT to be put in harms way, or get involved with combat. So he joined the peaceful waters on a Swift Boat. Peaceful?! YES! When he volunteered for that duty, Swift Boats were patrolling the peaceful beaches of South Vietnam. Shortly after Kerry volunteered for this, the Pentagon decided to start sending these Swift Boats up river into the heart of Vietnam – Kerry was not expecting to be put in harms way. That’s the way it happened according to Kerry in his interviews with the New York Times in 1971. I am splitting hairs, but he did bring this on himself!

maryrose

Terrance:
Absolutement!

Bill Jacobs

Every single claim the so-called SWiftvets for Truth made was a total fabrication or wild turned-upside exaggeration. Every single libelous charge they made against Kerry has been proved false and it's about time for the rightwing to stop smearing war hero leaders just besude they oppose Bush.

Bill Jacobs

AWOLBUSH.com has the original document showing Kerry volunteered for combat.

http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/behindsbv.htm

This website and the NY Times article do most of the work absolutely proving everything the smearvets claimed was a lie, most of it just total fabrications made up out of thin air.

Bill Jacobs

The conservative Washington Times also studied all the evidence and came to the conslusion Kerry's military record was perfect, including an honorable discharghe in 1970 which the rightwing continues lying about to this day.

cathyf

Gee, hon, if he'd just release his records publicly then he wouldn't need you to defend him, would he?

cathy :-)

Bill Jacobs

Kerry has released all his pertinent records, as explained by the Ny Times. The rightwing just keeps lying about this, pretending there's something there, perpetrating the same old discredited lies.

As John McCain said of these smear jockeys, "they're dishonest and dishonorable". Just a vicious hoax. And remember the same type ugly smears were hurled at McCain in 2000 by Bush's dirty tricksters, which was how Bush got past McCain for nomination. Time to stop rewarding politicians for lying and cheating.

Bill Jacobs

What was the smear campaign against Kerry (and McCain, Cleland and Murtha) really all about? The fact that the pro-war rightwing doies not have a single major leader who has ever dared to step foot on a battlefield. In fact most of them intentionally dodged ever serving or being in harm's way, including Bush, Cheney, Delay and on and on down the line.

Kerry was a superlative war hero and never lied about it, nor faked anything. He was the real deal. So Bush's campaign needed to pull a fast one. They created the smearvets and just let them make up anything they wanted to. Not a single claim of thiers was true. Not even 10% true.

Lurker

If you are referring to New York Times, written by Zerniker, check Thoms Libscomb's The Truth, John Kerry, and The New York Times

Where is the link to Kerry's Form 180 and DD214's?

Lurker

Becoming familiar...

Blair Urges Bush to Put Iraq War on Hold


redcatcher

War Crimes (find Jacobs)

Well, take your pick....he could be any of them.

Bill Jacobs

All Kerry's records have been released except his medical records which are none of anyone's business. Kerry's war record is the most investigated record in US history and no one has ever been able to find anything remnotely wrong with it. But this doesn't stop Bushies fram makming up lies and silly imaginary theories. Kerry was a great war hero. Bush dodged the draft, went AWOl and lied about it. Simple as that.

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