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June 13, 2006

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Jason Hjetland

I knew it all along. No Fitzmas, but is there anyone else in the mix, perhaps our friend Mr. Armitage?

noah

Would that friend be Jeralyn Merritt? Her recent blog entries demonstrate conclusively that she is no friend of due process or fairness for our troops.

Personally, I take the moral failings of my friends seriously (ie, they either see the light or AMF!).

Sue

I must also eat some crow. I promised I would so please serve it up with lots of salt...and a jalapeno would be nice too...

MayBee

I was wisely very waffley.

I'm hearing Bush is in Baghdad????

maryrose

And I am not going to say I told you so: I'm really not.

MayBee

OK, interrupted myself.
I was very wisely too weasly to commit about Rove.

Bush is in Baghdad.

Sue

Bush is in Baghdad.

Sue

Woops...

::grin::

Gary Maxwell

I repeat my Diogenesian quest. someone please tell me why we should not break out in convulsive laughter whenever Leopold prints anything. I guess the sealed indictment disappeared into Area 54? Or the business clock on the wall had its batteries wore out and stuck on 10 minutes to midnight?

clarice

Well, TM, Mr. 70%, no make that 50%, eat my grits! Man, this is a grim time for the left..and just yesterday Jason Leopold reported secret v. secret..LOL

Sue

Go ahead Maryrose. When you're right you're right...

::grin::

...and I did say I would gladly eat that crow!

MayBee

Anyway, I'm a simple girl with a simple idea. Fitzgerald got led astray by the Marc Grossman "Strickly for Revenge" story. He indicted Libby because he thought Libby started the chain of leaks (like Begala and Carville in the Gennifer Flowers smear).
BUT Libby wasn't hiding the big leak, and Fitz wouldn't have indicted him if UGO would have stepped forward. Fitz just got it wrong, and he's been unable to extricate himself.
I didn't think he would step in it MORE by indicting Rove on charges that only mattered in a false narrative.

MayBee

In other words, now that Rove is not going to be indicted, I make my case for "yes, I always thought that. I just never said it outloud".

Gary Maxwell

Hold the phone! Several lefties sites are sure that the reason for this is.... Rove cut a deal to flip on Cheney!!!

Ha Ha Ha Ha I am getting pins in my sides from laughing at these bozos. The concusive force of all these dissonant waves is destroying their brains ( or what was left of them ).

MayBee

Seriously, though you guys.

Bush just landed in Baghdad. I think that's really cool. Now we know what the 70,000 troops were for.

Sue

Gary,

I was wondering how they would spin the no indictment. I figured they would go with the sealed v sealed theory. McNulty shut Fitzgerald down. Or some such nonsense. I guess wrong everytime, it would seem. ::grin::

Semanticleo

I'm glad to see there are enough sensible people here to be encouraged, but not celebratory.

If the leaker lawyer indeed has a letter from Fitz absolving Rove of ALL charges, it would
be highly unusual unless.........there is a bigger fish to fry.

ordi

I was wondering when Bush would go to Iraq again! Good for him!

Eat your Hearts out Dems!

Patton

This can only mean Cheney has been indicted.....and Rove turned States evidence....

Sue

Seriously, I thought Fitz would indict Rove. In fact, I was much higher in my percentage than Tom ever was. I thought he would right up to the point when the judge said Cooper could be impeached, whichever way he testified. I started to slow down then, but I still figured Fitz would indict.

richard mcenroe

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -- *ahem*

I'm feeling this weird sensation... either compassion or gas... but you know, it must be hell to be a lefty and realize that NOTHING YOU WANT WILL EVER HAPPEN...

Sue

Leo,

Why do you say that? What is your proof that it is highly unusual? Or are you just performing an obligatory wishful thinking moment?

Sue

Actually, Leo, I think I answered my own question upon further reflection. Rove's lawyer doesn't have a letter absolving Rove of anything. He has a letter that says he isn't going to indict him. There was nothing to absolve...capice?

Sue

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2ri.htm>Drudge is laughing.

noah

Fitz would have liked to continue the charade but the moonbat press speculation finally his Catholic schoolboy concience! So thank your fellow moonbats cleo!

noah

finally ROUSED his Catholic...

Sue

(Beside me, and you should try typing while doubled over...)

I'm glad to see there are enough sensible people here to be encouraged, but not celebratory.

One really has nothing to do with the other...for real...

::grin::

Other Tom

It is fair to say that my chest is swollen with gloating joy. By God, this is rich! Now we can sit back and wait for Leopold to deliver on his promise to out his sources if they proved to be incorrect. As I recall, he said he had one at Knight Ridder, one at ABC News, and a couple of others. But don't hold your breath...

Gary Maxwell

Feel sorry for Leo and admire his courage to come on here and spew nonsense in the face of all the facts that confront him. He is soldiering on, dispite the heaviness in his legs (and in his heart).

Jeff

Tom - Who's your single solitary friend on the left who's going to explain it?

And for what it's worth, your own snark about the Plame panel seems ill-placed, given the actual content of the thing. I think it will hold up pretty well, particularly given Waas' reminders about the unknown direction of the case.

As for your explanations, (b) is much more convincing than (a). Isn't is also possible that Fitzgerald simply thought Rove would be able to tell a convincing enough story that Fitzgerald lost confidence he could prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt?

In any case, with Bush in Iraq, if the Republicans end up turning it around this November, today will certainly be remembered as the day they officially turned it around.

Sue

Feel sorry for Leo (hmmm....leopold?...just kidding...) but don't wipe that smirk off your face.

Sue

if the Republicans end up turning it around this November

What's with the long face Jeff? ::grin:: Sorry. I am eating crow in case you didn't know. The democrats did it to themselves, if the republicans wind up turning it around. Culture of corruption is not a campaign slogan anyone should want to run on. Ask the republicans. They tried it and it didn't work for them either.

John Loki

(a) The Libby indictment looks very much like a failed attempt to force Libby to cooperate, presumably by testifying against Dick Cheney. Evidently, the prospect of a second failed attempt held little appeal for Fitzgerald.

I have been saying this for about a year now on Free Republic. Finally.

The Unbeliever

Wake up people, McHitlerBushiburton is pulling the wool over your eyes! This is just another plot by the Administration to subvert the American justice system. Obviously, the only way they could have gotten away with this is... Karl Rove and Patrick Fitzgerald are the same person!

Think about it, have any of you ever seen them in the same room together? No! Has anyone ever interviewed the people sitting on the grand jury to see if Fitz was just talking to himself those 5 times? No! Has Fitzgerald ever officially denied that he is Karl Rove in disguise? No!

It all makes total sense if you think about it. Or not.

MayBee

Jeff-
I think it will hold up pretty well, particularly given Waas' reminders about the unknown direction of the case.

As I was saying earlier. When in doubt, go non-committal. It holds up better over time.

Gary Maxwell

Jeff just made me crack up all over again. So when the Republicans add a net gain of a Senator to their totals and three House seats its all Leopold and Fitzgerald fault!!! How about the Zarq man for getting himself caught. Its his fault too. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA got to stop HAHAHAHAHAHA PLEASE NO! MORE ! (POSTS LIKE THAT).

The Unbeliever

Seriously though, I may have to put on my hazard suit today and go wading through the lefty fever swamps. There oughta be some priceless quotes coming out of them that should be saved for all posterity.

jerry

Wha... no indictment? What the hell, I could have sworn I'd read there would be! What are the odds that Leopold got rolled by Rove? windandsea?

Actually, I prefer the WaPo headline "Rove Unlikely to be Charged" as it seems to more accurately describes the situation.

I'd still like to see a JOM/KOS Plame panel discussion.

[NOTE: Keep Hope Quashed! I assume Jerry cited the WaPo headline accurately, but it now reads this:

"Karl Rove Won't Be Charged in CIA Leak Case"]

davod

I am not a lawyer so forgive me for being sceptical. I wonder whether charges could still be brought at or around October/November.

Sue

LOL. The fun to be had by slumming. One enterprising poster has the answer. Rove has something on Fitzgerald. ::grin::

Semanticleo

Here's Luskin's formal statement.

" On June 12, 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald formally advised us that he does not anticipate seeking charges against Karl Rove.

In deference to the pending case, we will not make any further public statements about the subject matter of the investigation. We believe that the Special Counsel's decision should put an end to the baseless speculation about Mr. Rove’s conduct.

verner

Who is watching HARDBALL tonight? I am!!!

Zarqawi dead.

Bush in Iraq.

No Rove Indictment.


Life is good.

My only question is, will Matthews: a) cry like Katie Couric, b. rave like Howard Dean c. act like a chimp again or d. all of the above.

Gary Maxwell

Sue

Did he say what? I am thinking it must be compromising pictures with barnyard animals!

jag

I'm sure somebody can explain to me why a prosecutor would bring any charges BEFORE he determined whether or not an actual crime was commited.

Fitzgerald must be a special form of idiot because this fact has never made any sense. If Fitz thinks he'll be able to convict anyone, of anything, without demonstrating to a jury that an actual crime was commited he better pray for a panel of equally stupid jurors.

lurker

I wonder if Donald Luskin and Rove's Luskin are brothers...

Donald Luskin has been successful in disproving every Paul Krugman article.

Charlie (Colorado)

Gary @ 0622:

Hold the phone! Several lefties sites are sure that the reason for this is.... Rove cut a deal to flip on Cheney!!!

Semanticleo @ 0625:

If the leaker lawyer indeed has a letter from Fitz absolving Rove of ALL charges, it would be highly unusual unless.........there is a bigger fish to fry.

Patton @ 0625:

This can only mean Cheney has been indicted.....and Rove turned States evidence....

Heh. Heh. Heh.

(PS. I'd like to note that I also predicted no indictment. I gloat. Gloat gloat.)

Epphan

It's Fitzmas morning and the Dems are a Jewish kid!

Semanticleo

Sue;

I will feel a similar compassion for you if you have to eat crow for breakfast, then again for dinner. :::smirk:::

Gary Maxwell

Verner

I was going to say D but on rereading I think you have a typo in C. You typed "chimp" but I think you meant to key "ass". With that correction made and easily understood, I would guess its nearly obvious that the answer is, of course, D All of the above.

Semanticleo

Patton;

The idiot from Colorado called you a lefty!

Bwahahahahahahaha!

cathyf

If you are interested TM, I think I can fire up mathematica and use its sophisticated data-fitting routines to find you a nice function that goes through 70%, 50% and 0 on the three appropriate dates. Then you can claim that you are just an expert in higher-order mathematics, and predicted it all along, and us peons just wouldn't understand. *grin*

cathy :-)

Sue

Sue;

I will feel a similar compassion for you if you have to eat crow for breakfast, then again for dinner. :::smirk:::

You are allowed to smirk. But could you tell me why I will need to eat crow for supper? And BTW, it needed black pepper. The salt was okay, but it lacked something. ::grin::

lurker

Add to the good news on Rove, great news coming from Iraq (in addition to Bush's appearance in Baghdad).

Sue

I have to say that immunity in exchange for cooperation is certainly something that has crossed my mind after the unusual multiple testimonial appearances before the grand jury that Rove made. And I have to wonder what that does mean, if so. And when we’ll find out.

http://firedoglake.com/>Source

The left is not giving up.

Dwilkers

OK, I get to gloat too. I posted some weeks ago saying Rove wasn't going to be indicted.

8^)>~~

Really though this absolutely BEGS the question: what is Fitz up to with this GJ?

I'll repeat my guess from the other thread; Armitage. Since there apparently is some logic to what Fitz is doing, Armitage is the best guess IMO.

Sue

Okay...so I Larwyn'd the board. ::grin::

TallDave

Having always thought Rove would escape indictment, I'm ready for a big "I TOLD YOU SO!!"

The evidence against Rove always seemed incredibly flimsy.

lurker

Last week's turning point:

Make al-Zarqawi's death a turning point

To be coupled with today's two major announcements (Rove and Bush). YAY!!

Immunity? Oh, lordy, lordy, lordy. If Rove thinks he's innocent and had the information on somebody else, why would he need immunity?

Semanticleo

"The salt was okay, but it lacked something. ::grin::

Maybe you should take a grain of salt with
your assumptions about the status of the case.

(see actualabove statement by Luskin, and look for some holes)

My compassion waits for your next dish of crow, should it be served.

maryrose

Verner:
You are right once again! I can't wait for Hardball tonight. I expect to see Shuster and Matthews looking VERY unhappy.

lurker

Hey, Clarice, Rick Moran just gave you credit:

"I have my own ghosts to expunge here because for the last year I have been predicting that Rove would be indicted. Clarice Feldman at The American Thinker tried knocking some sense into me several times by telling me that Fitzy didn’t have a thing on Rove and that I was making way too much of press coverage of the story.

Clarice was right. I was dead wrong.

I will be following this story today by reading Tom McGuire and Clarice Feldman who I’m sure are busy at the moment gathering their thoughts so that they can tell us “what it all means.” Check back here for updates on this breaking story."

I know...check his site. Congratulations! :)

lurker

Hahaha, liked the way Rick closed it:

"Tom McGuire tells us what it all means and acknowleges his erroneous prognistication regarding Rove’s indictment:

Two quick guesses as to why there was no indictment:

(a) The Libby indictment looks very much like a failed attempt to force Libby to cooperate, presumably by testifying against Dick Cheney. Evidently, the prospect of a second failed attempt held little appeal for Fitzgerald.

(b) The Armitage angle made a Rove indictment problematic except as a package deal…

And Clarice Feldman emails me with her immediate thoughts:

You might want to simply quote Tom Maguire who’s getting punched around on his own site because he always thought Rove would be indicted. (I bet Fitz wishes he could take back the Libby indictment, tt.) C

He may yet."

clarice

Podhoretz(NRO The Corner):

THE TREK-O-METER

$2,495.00

(What's this?)

Fitzgerald and Rove [John Podhoretz]

Karl Rove won't say it, and his lawyer won't say it, but I'll say it: Patrick Fitzgerald's conduct in the Rove matter has been disgraceful. He kept Rove hanging for eight months with his bizarre game of keeping the Rove case "open" even though he claimed he did not expect any more indictments. I'd guess this cost Rove several hundred thousand dollars in legal fees and months of sleepless nights. Nice work, Patrick. You have once again reminded us why the misbegotten term "special prosecutor" should be considered an obscenity.
Posted at 7:57 AM

Forbes hints that Armitage is still in peril.

Piffle.
And Libby's case is shrinking faster than a half baked souffle.

Sorry, lefties, you still have to win elections to hold power and you can't win elections without a message people like.

lurker

Strata-sphere has some interesting Fitzgerald Quits While He Is Behind

He considers this good news for Libby.

Jane

Well gee I think I get one big fat "I told you so" because I never thought Rove was going to be indicted, and said so. Since it was a gut feeling, it doesn't get me much.

I tell you tho, the sun is bright, the sky is blue, the air is crisp, Bush is in Baghdad, Zarqawi is dead and yesterday I won an ipod and Bose earphones from the bank. Life is good!

noah

Like a busted clock that is right twice a day, I too predicted no indictment. More to bust TM's chops than for any substansive reason. IIRC, I thought Rove's alleged offense to trivial to merit prosecution.

Jane

So let's ask Jason to reveal his source:

jasonleopold@hotmail.com

Gary Maxwell

Well Hugh Hewitt found this gem in the DUmp and its so good it should be shared for all to savor. Here it is:

This doesn't make sense
Is it possible that Rove was actually indicted on May 12 like truthout reported, but somehow Bush got involved to stop it? Maybe Bush told Fitz that he was going to pardon Rove so Fitz dropped it. Or maybe Rove has some dirt on Fitz so Fitz dropped it.

Sue

(see actualabove statement by Luskin, and look for some holes)

Come on, Leo. I don't look for pies in the sky. That's why I'm not considered a lefty. ::grin::

Jeff

Tom - Glad to see you're aiming your Plame-panel snark with a little more precision. And I'll note that I've made the point about "pending case" twice so far this morning, once at fdl and once at tnh.

lurker

Here's the latest top ten whiners

Subject to change throughout the day.

Dwilkers

Two quick guesses as to why there was no indictment

May I add a third?

When Walton admitted Cooper's drafts in the Libby case Fitz abandoned any hope those documents would remain concealed. Given Cooper's status as the fulcrum on which any tale of Rove perjury was leveraged Fitz gave it up as hopeless.

lurker

Jeff, I thought Judge Walton wanted to know the status of Fitz's ongoing investigation because of the CIA Referral letter????

BurbankErnie

Ha Ha Ha

The Dems are such a punching bag, whipping boy charactature. I love the ones still posting here "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER".
Classic. Why post, when the real entertainment is reading the Lefties doing mental pretzel logic.
1,00 AlGores. Can you imagine? Yeah, that will win you elections! The hits just keep on coming! And Dean's (Screamin' Howie of course) response was just awesome calling Rove a Sinner. Quote "That does not excuse his real sin which is leaking the name of an intelligence operative during the time of war. He doesn't belong in the White House."

Ha Ha Ha.....

Rick Ballard

The Libby indictment sits alone like the class clown in a corner wearing a dunce cap. A wise use of time and energy, Fitz.

Will CheapTalkLeft continue to stand by her man? Will she now insist that he keep his "word" and reveal the source of the voices he keeps hearing? Will the left's hash fog ever lift?

Although we know the answers, the fun is in asking the questions.

Gary Maxwell

OK we have a winner! From one of the first posts at an open thread on KOS. Warning major spew alert. This is a classic. See if you dont agree:

I don't think I've ever seen such a look of misery and dejection on the face of my daughter as I just did a moment ago. She just couldn't understand why the President would be going to Iraq when so many things are wrong in this country. "Doesn't Mr. Bush care about us anymore?" she asked pitifully.

I sat down with her on the sofa and (as calmly as I could) tried to explain to her why the President seems to be abandoning his country. "Honey, I think his boss, Mr. Rove, sent Mr. Bush out of the country in order to keep himself out of the newspapers. You see, he wasn't sure if he was going to be arrested today or not, and so he planned Mr. Bush's trip ahead of time just in case..."

I tried to keep my voice steady, but it became increasingly difficult - the rage and feelings of helplessness were just too much. I think my daughter could tell something was wrong. I found myself at such a loss for words - nothing made any sense; nothing makes sense anymore. I finally had to admit, "Honey, I just don't know - I don't know what's going on in this country anymore..."

When I finished her lower lip started to tremble and her eyes began to fill with tears, "Daddy" she said, "why are the Republicans doing this to the country?" Well, that was it for me: I finally fell apart. She just fell into my arms and we both began sobbing for several minutes.

For once she had to comfort me and get me back on my feet. Sometimes I just think it's too much, but seeing the strength in my young daughter's voice helped me to get through.

Shouldn't Child Prtective Services be called, as this poster is not well at all.

Sue

Gary,

That is a parody. No one is that dillusional. Surely...

::scared look::

Patrick R. Sullivan

Ol' Matt Cooper is having a bad week. His Haditha story is falling apart, and now his other claim to fame--'Rove told me about Plame'--is an official non-event.

Semanticleo

I don't look for pies in the sky.

guess that's why they say 'all perception is selective'.

JM Hanes

"Let me gulp down some crow..."

Not so fast, please! :)

lurker

Sorry, this Donald Luskin is a different person than Rove's Donald Luskin.

Sue

Leo,

Get over it dude. Rove will not be indicted. I've already eaten my crow. It was tough and chewy but otherwise, not that bad. You should do the same. Keeping up hope at this point is not productive. Look to Libby for your inspiration.

lurker

Can you believe what Nancy Pelosi said????

MayBee

Sue- in honor of the subject at hand-- our dear Ms Plame--when eating that crow you should sit in a corner wearing darling ear muffs and nibble.

Semanticleo

Sue;

I am just applying the local principle of waiting until this one-source-story plays out.

It might be prudent for you to do the same.

TallDave

Gary: Yeah, I quoted that one over at PW.

Beyond parody, there is... DKos!

noah

That poor, pathetic "man of the Left". God help his daughter... God help us all.

ordi

Mr Wilson's Lawyer speaks:

Statement of Christopher Wolf, Proskauer Rose LLP, Counsel for Ambassador Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame Wilson

“We have become aware of the communication between Mr. Fitzgerald and Mr. Luskin concerning Karl. Rove’s status in the criminal investigation. We have no first-hand knowledge of the reason for the communication or what further developments in the criminal investigation it may signal. While it appears that Mr. Rove will not be called to answer in criminal court for his participation in the wrongful disclosure of Valerie Wilson’s classified employment status at the CIA in retaliation against Joe Wilson for questioning the rationale for war in Iraq, that obviously does not end the matter. The day still may come when Mr. Rove and others are called to account in a court of law for their attacks on the Wilsons.”

Sound like the next stop is civil court! What a braying jackass!

lurker

Can you believe what firedoglake said:

"Here’s what I do know: Karl Rove has been moved out of his palatial White House digs into a smaller, windowless room across the hall. Joshua Bolten has been wielding more and more influence with Bush of late, and Rove has slunk back into the background for the moment. In DC, loss of power and influence — even if it is only the perception of it — can be a painful thing. But for Rove, the most painful thing of all would be for the Democrats to re-take Congress. Guess what I’m going to be working on for the next few months? Help me mete out a little justice in the form of a Democratic victory this fall, won’t you?"

He moved into a tiny, small, windowless office????

topsecretk9

"yes, I always thought that. I just never said it outloud".

I went out on the No Indictment limb and DWILKERS AND our Mascot Herbie did too!

TallDave

Oh, and I would further add:

If Fitz knew then what he knows now, I doubt Libby would have been indicted either. Woodward blew his statements right out of the water.

MayBee

My bold prediction(s):

No more indictments in this case.
No indictments for conspiracy because there was no conspiracy.
No indictments for outing an agent.
No indictment of Cheney because he did nothing wrong.
No indictments against Armitage because he's out of the administration, he's well respected, and our allies like him.
No indictment for Cooper or Grossman, although they will be embarassed.
And Wilson will not pursue a civil case, because even he knows the ridiculousness of that.

Gary Maxwell

A liberal wants to caution against one source stories and urges patience as being prudent. Someone get the NYTimes, the AP and Mike Nifong on a conference call. They all need to hear the clarion call. What he did not say the same thing on other matters? Surely you jest.

lurker

Ordi, let them file a civil case against Rove but what they will find is that their evidence is slimsy and weak. After all, with that one $10,000 award and speaking fees should cover the lawyer fees.

Wilson's a liar

LOL@firedoglake.

Heard Michael Barone fairly cackling this AM on Laura Ingraham's show. He said the Democrats actually will have to campaign now, and he isn't sure they are capable of it, especially with wacky Howard at the helm of the DNC.

topsecretk9

Ordi

The day still may come

Read never. WIlson would NEVER do it, he is arrogant but I don't think they are that dumb.

Wilson's a liar

Actually, Wilson will be damn lucky if Rove does not sue him for libel and defamation.

Sue

Maybee,

You should see my earmuffs. They are a sight to behold. Suffice it to say, I am a hottie in my earmuffs. ::grin::

Gary Maxwell

slimsy

Combining slimey and flimsy. That is about right. Great coinage.

lurker

Ah ha! As expected, here's the but, but, but part.

"The news today is that Karl Rove will not be indicted by Patrick Fitzgerald. I'll be back later with more on this. But first thought: that doesn't mean that Rove and the White House didn't do anything wrong. In fact, the White House falsely stated that (a) Rove (and Scooter Libby) were not involved in the leak and (b) that anyone involved would no longer work in the White House. Rove did tell two reporters (Robert Novak and Matt Cooper) about Joe Wilson's wife's employment at the CIA (undeniably classified information). And he's still working at the White House. What does that say about the man in charge of the White House?

More to come...."

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