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Comments

Charlie (Colorado)

Jeez, my one chance to be first on JOM and I don't have anything to say.

SteveMG

Jeez, my one chance to be first on JOM and I don't have anything to say

That's never stopped me from posting.

Some folks have higher standards, I 'spose.

SMG

Patton

BOY IS NEDS' FACE BLACK,,,,ERRRR RED.

Connecticut millionaire businessman Ned Lamont, who sharply criticized the employment practices of Wal-Mart this week in his campaign to unseat Sen. Joe Lieberman in the Democrat primary, owns stock in the company, Senate records reveal.
"This is about waking up Wal-Mart, and this is also about waking up corporate America," Mr. Lamont said Wednesday at a Bridgeport rally against the retail giant, hosted by many of the same liberal bloggers who have boosted the former cable executive far ahead of Mr. Lieberman in the polls.
But Mr. Lamont and his family are part owners of the company, according to financial disclosure records he filed earlier this year with the secretary of the Senate. Mr. Lamont, his wife and a dependent child own as much as $31,000 in Wal-Mart stock.

Wake Up NED!!

Joe Mealyus

Why is using blackface imagery for satirical purposes automatically assumed to have "offensive to all African-Americans" status anyway? Have any black people come out in protest? I would think most of them would be just as confused as white people as to what the point was supposed to be. (I would guess it had something to do Lieberman as a Republican pretending to be a Democrat, but who really cares?).

This whole "gotcha" sort of thing always reflects more poorly on the "gotcha-ers" than the "gotcha-ees," in my admittedly malinformed view. (Of course it's usually the left doing it to the right). I think a lot less of Jane Hamsher for not distancing herself from Larry Johnson than I do for using an unintelligible blackface image for satirical purposes.

SteveMG

Why is using blackface imagery for satirical purposes automatically assumed to have "offensive to all African-Americans" status

The blackface, of course, came from the minstrel shows that whites used to perform where white men would wear black makeup to make them appear to be black. Often during these performances, black people would be portrayed in ugly stereotypical caricatures. Lazy, shiftless, dishonest. Blatantly racialist - if not racist - portrayals of an entire race of people.

Can you not see how a black person today wouldn't be upset over the use of that stereotype or imagery?

SMG

Free Radical

(I would guess it had something to do Lieberman as a Republican pretending to be a Democrat, but who really cares?)

So Republicans are the new black?

(*ducks*)

noah

I can see how a black person WOULD be upset if the white person being so depicted were not a Jew or a Republican.

Jane

>Why is using blackface imagery for satirical purposes automatically assumed to have "offensive to all African-Americans" status

It's a hoist-them-on-their-own-petard sort of world.

Neo

This Lamont campaign is sounding more and more like the fictional campaign in the Robert Redford movie "The Candidate" (the one where the Redford character asks the campaign manager after he wins "what do we do now?"). According to that script, Ned's dad should be making a somewhat unwanted apperance soon.

The irony here is the "Huffington" connection to another fairly recent campaign featuring another "stuffed shirt," Mr. Huffington.

Martin

This post is hysterical, emphasis on the hysteria.

You'd think you'd want to get in good with your new Senator!

topsecretk9

--This Lamont campaign is sounding more and more like the fictional campaign in the Robert Redford movie "The Candidate"--

HAH, Neo...that's what I thought....EmptyNeds

windansea

This whole "gotcha" sort of thing always reflects more poorly on the "gotcha-ers" than the "gotcha-ees,"

what Joe doesn't understand is that Hamsher was a gotcha-er before she was a gotcha-ee

Hamsher's words below:

Does he First Lady not know who Eddie Cantor was? Or does she actually think it's appropriate to invoke a comedian famous for appearing in blackface when talking about minority students, and then crack wise about their erstwhile future as criminals?

windansea

once again...the left and their heroes remind me of the Animal Farm

"it's the cover up stupid"

lurker

OT: Written by Eric Hoffer the year after the six-day war in 1967:

Israel’s Peculiar Position.

Ringing true to this very day...

So, how will this Lamont's test affect the primary?

Aaron Adams

Full-blown panic sets in in advance of Lieberman's defeat as a percursor/predictor of the mid-terms.

We can smell the flopsweat from here.

Geek, Esq.

What I find most telling is that Republicans feel like they have a horse in this race.

windansea

how's that revolution coming Aaron?

nice of you to drop by and comment....

here's Jane...

Comments are closed.

SteveMG

This post is hysterical, emphasis on the hysteria.

Great example of how many on the Left have tossed out all principles in their quest for power.

Ideas? Nah. Programs? What? Principles? Don't need 'em.

Just win.

SMG

Other Tom

"What I find most telling is that Republicans feel like they have a horse in this race."

We do. It's Joe Lieberman, who's with us on the only important issue of our time. And he will lose the primary but win the general.

windansea

and here's Ned...the savior

ah did not blog with that woman

Bob

""This is about waking up Wal-Mart, and this is also about waking up corporate America," Mr. Lamont said Wednesday at a Bridgeport rally against the retail giant, hosted by many of the same liberal bloggers who have boosted the former cable executive far ahead of Mr. Lieberman in the polls.
But Mr. Lamont and his family are part owners of the company, according to financial disclosure records he filed earlier this year with the secretary of the Senate. Mr. Lamont, his wife and a dependent child own as much as $31,000 in Wal-Mart stock. "

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060803-112200-4787r.htm>Looks like Ned really is a Democrat Love the hypocrisy!

topsecretk9

I know nothing about the Wal Mart stocks!

Just wondering, but isn't that campaign 101? Look in your own closet first?

windansea

hmmmm..ordinarily when somebody badmouths Jane (STFU) Hamsher she appears in a huff and tells people to "suck on a knob" or something....

she's probably too busy with the campaign...oops...I mean with her poodles

Martin

Steve Mg - if it comes to forsaking principles for power, we can only hope to emulate Republicans.

E.g., didn't abolishing the Department of Education used to actually be in the party's platform?

As for the hysterical charge, so be it. TM won't even post a word on Iraq but he'll write a 1,000 words because he's Jane Hamsher never requited his love? It's hysterical in every sense of the word.

Gary Maxwell

In thinking about the comment about sweating above, I have come to the conclusion that it is much much better for Lamont to win the primary. Think about it and I think you will see my logic. The primary is not even over and we have someone crowing about it as if it means anything other than how Lieberman's name will appear on the ballot ( ie Democrat or Independent ). The resulting pandemonium and wild mood swing will rip the mask off the far left and let a whole lot of folks see what these folks are made of, just in time for the voters to start apying attention and before they vote in the general election. And of course the crash to the depressing low will be even greater because of the irrational high. And I will be sitting here, popcorn in hand watching it all and enjoying the hell out of it.

Its funny that some lefties think I really care who runs in a Democrat primary or even who wins. Joe Lieberman is a Democrat's Democrat except that he understands the nature and true goals of Islamfascists. He agrees with me on exactly one subject, and to be wrong on that subject, is potentially life threatening. No matter to these slatherers.

ed

Hmmm.

"Blackface" is also offensive for another reason:

Blacks weren't allowed good jobs in the entertainment industry back then. Instead those jobs that needed to represent blacks were played by whites in blackface.

Same thing with asians where white people, with tape on the corners of their eyes, would play chinese, japanese or whatnot.

*shrug* John Wayne played a mongolian, so go figure. But this disparity in the amount of entertainment work for blacks, and asians, still rankles to this day.

noah

Yep, if Lieberman goes there won't be any Dems left who are NOT suffering from BDS...in other words...no adults left.

topsecretk9

Gary
Even more encouraging is the independent run as a trend. Dem's in red states, what better way to distance from the nuts?

Semanticleo

Ok,ok.

Lamont is a wealthy member of a white-dominated country club and he only
renounced membership AFTER it became a campaign issue. Hamsher is, by default,
an official campaign volunteer, and they
both are patently racist, hypocritical
troop-hating America-Lasters whose only
purpose for living revolves around stopping
the truth-loving, efficacious, no sex outside of hetero/marriage conservatives
from defeating the freedom hating Islamo-
Fascists.

Now, can we get on to Lebanon, or the slow
unfurling of the index finger of Sen. Roberts, and who it's pointed at?

Old Dad

I think Lamont is right. He doesn't know much about bloggers. If he did, he'd never have affiliated with a foul mouthed bush leaguer like Hamsher.

Bob

Lebanon ? Yo cleo, nobody here has issues with Lebanon. Israel is doing the right thing! If you want to gnash your teeth about the ME go over and play with the other "Kos Suckers"!

clarice

Sen Lautenberg who campaigned for Liberman says he believes if Joe was beaten "decisively" in the primary he wouldn't run as an independent.

Does he know something we don't?
Is this a signal to the Dems to not vote for Lamont?
Is he stabbing Joe in the back?

Rick Ballard

Gary,

A Lamont win on Tuesday will give us a chance to celebrate with the nutroots. "Lyin' Ned Lamont shows the only path to a progressive future". Do you believe that he will learn to lie better as time passes?

SteveMG

Martin:
if it comes to forsaking principles for power, we can only hope to emulate Republicans.

That's always the excuse, isn't it? Tu quoque.

And then you complain that Bush has abandoned American principles when it comes to fighting terrorism.

Odd thing is that you guys on the Left have abandoned principles to go after fellows on your side of the aisle.

A re-election of Lieberman doesn't diminish the power for your side. Unless it's ideological purity that's at stake.

SMG


Gary Maxwell

Rick

You are absolutely right. Both you and I and the nutroots will be celebrating, but for absolutely different reasons. Do any of them realize what is about to happen?

larwyn

RE: Tests of Character:

Hewitt's site has more on Andrew Sullivan. Poor Andrew, what will he say
about this:
New Lieberman Art at Daily Kos

"Posted in the comments to one of several threads bashing Joe Lieberman today at Daily Kos, we find the following febrile Photoshop fantasies from the “progressive” minds of the Kos Kidz.This time with the always-popular homosexual slur theme. (Hat tip: DM. And I have screenshots.)"..lgf

You need to see them.

And the 75% of American Jews who support and vote for Dems
must be very proud of this stance:

Proud Antisemite at Indymedia

"It’s become commonplace for “progressives” to explain away their fellow travelers’ anti-Jewish remarks by claiming they’re not “antisemitic”—they’re only “criticizing Israel’s policies.”The “progressives” at Indymedia, however, are proudly dispensing with the excuses: Mel’s Real Crime: Not Loving the Jews Unconditionally. (Hat tip: Ghost of a flea.)"..lgf
.....

At this moment in history, world Jewry is deliberately doing damage to America,
Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan and many other countries as they militantly advance Israeli interests over all others. Many people are suffering greatly, enduring constant fear, and/or being killed. This is wrong.If this makes me an anti-Semite then I wear the badge proudly.

Last year several articles refered to the pretzel logic that the
Left touts. I liked that description. But today with around 30% agreeing that the Bush admin knew/participated in 911, I think we are getting to
point where we are going to have to accept that brain damage is rampant in the ranks of the Left.

"pretzel" just doesn't do it - their brain wirings must be more like
that skein of yarn that the kittens got to. Perhaps Clarice can give
us a word for that.

Guess it is difficult to grow moral character when one is confused by all the LEFT's "ends" -
they don't want to examine closely their "means".



The Unbeliever

What continually surprises me is that various lefties/Democrats, after displaying all kinds of fervor for replacing Joe Lieberman, act shocked that the guys on the other side of the aisle actually care what the makeup of Congress will be when it's all said and done. As if Lamont replacing Lieberman won't have an impact on the nation's legistlative body; is it that hard to believe that Republicans just might have a problem with the potential harmful repercussions of the resulting tilt?

Look, no one on the right has a problem if you want to conduct internal ideological purges and rip your party to pieces, so long as you do it quietly within the confines of your respective asylums. (Heck, the right has done such purges in the past, like when they kicked out the Objectivists to the betterment of the conservative movement as a whole.) But when the resulting nuttiness threatens to spill over into the Senate, and have harmful repercussions on the big issue of our times, then yeah, we're going to take an interest in keeping Congress san-- er, in minimizing the craziness of Congress. Not because we all want to hug Joe Lieberman, but because we see it as better for the country as a whole.

But I suppose that's a hard concept to grasp for an entity which has come to define itself as "anyone but Bush".

Black Face R Us

If there's nothing wrong with black face, Joe, when can we slot you in for an appointment? Surely all will agree that there is nothing inherently offensive about it.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

It's a disguised threat. The problem is that Lautenberg really have nothing to threaten with. That's not to say that Lieberman might not withdraw, no matter what he has said. He's a very flexible fellow. He's just not a notorius proven liar.

"Lyin' Lamont" has a nice lilt - now we need work on a "Ned lied, ? ?ied" slogan.

clarice

larwyn--"catawampus" with so many definitions including fierce and askew--it captures at the same time their tangled thinking and fercoious defense of nonsensical thinking..

Martin

Steve Mg-you know there's a Republican primary challenge to Chafee in RI next month. Conservatives are supporting the challenger.

Toomey challenged long time Republican Senator Specter last cycle and got lots of conservative support. Specter was called a RINO.

What is the difference between those primary challenges to Republican incumbents and Lamonts challenge to Lieberman?

Semanticleo

"Look, no one on the right has a problem if you want to conduct internal ideological purges and rip your party to pieces, so long as you do it quietly"

Grant me room for a metaphor;

If the two Parties could be likened to a household full of individual 'family' members, the noisy one with arguments that
rage all night long sometimes requiring the
local police to respond, would be democrats.

The quiet one composed of members who deal with angst and acrimony with puritanical
patience, would be republicans.

The former might have a bad reputation in the neighborhood, but end up normal and somewhat happier than the average citizen
because they vented, and consequently,purged their own demons with the antiseptic called
'light of day'.

The darkness of the latter results in the
Unibomber's and Ted Bundy's of this world,
and neighbors marvel at the irony; "They were so quiet and polite. Who could have predicted......?"

Which household would you prefer to live in?

SteveMG

What is the difference between those primary challenges to Republican incumbents and Lamonts challenge to Lieberman?

Let's start with opponents of Chafee portraying him in blackface.

I've got lots more from where that came from.

SMG

SteveMG

Let's start with opponents of Chafee portraying him in blackface.

Amend my pithy response (dammit):

Republican opponents of Chafee DO NOT portray him in blackface.

(kinda' loses it's "pithiness" when it's not stated correctly, no?)

SMG

GuyFromOhio

2. Give back the $58,000 raised by ActBlue through the firedoglake.com blog

Again, this is purely symbolic - since that $58,000 comes mostly from small individual donors (I assume), those donors will be free to recycle their checks right back to Ned Lamont's campaign through a different contact point.

And this would prove ... nothing. And be symbolic of ... nothing. The "small individual donors" have no connection to any of this photo shenanigans, except to support a candidate in an election.

And on Tuesday, no matter what happens, the "nutroots" will be tarred with the same brush in these fora as well as the traditional media. Lamont loses - ha ha, look what the crazy bloggers are doing to the Democrats. Lamont wins - snarl, look what the crazy bloggers are doing to the Democrats. It's pretty safe to ignore them at this point, the fat lady is tapping the microphone.

Hamsher, et al, may be traipsing about the Nutmeg countryside carrying Lamont on their collective shoulders, but none of them can vote in CT - kind of a key point in all of this.

Holy Joe forgot to look out for the home crew. Whether he's forgiven for that or not is what will decide the primary, not some silly photoshop rendering, or some pittance wagered through some website.

-GFO

The Unbeliever

What is the difference between those primary challenges to Republican incumbents and Lamonts challenge to Lieberman?

For the millionth time, it's that Lamont's challenge is based on (1) Lieberman's support of the war, and (2) Lieberman's perceived "closeness" to Bush. Chaffee and Specter have racked up a track record of being weak or squishy on a number of core conservative causes (domestic, economic, militarily, etc), while Lamont's primary challenge represents the rabid left's willingness to throw its own party under the bus over a single issue on which they're hopelessly wrong.

In other words, some of us think BDS is a bad reason to eject one of the guys who was deemed worthy enough to represent the party a scant 6 years ago.

(It's worth noting Lieberman's support from the right stems from that same single issue, because other than that there's not much difference between Lieberman and Lamont to the right.)

Gary Maxwell

Didnt the police get called to Jeffrey Dahmer place multiple times? Far far better analogy I am afraid and it fits in your description of the noisy place where the cops are constatly called. Hows that grab ya?

windansea

Which household would you prefer to live in?

here you have it folks...wisdom from the basement :)

The Unbeliever

Grant me room for a metaphor;

Semanticleo, after reading the inanity that followed, I hereby revoke your metaphorical privileges in perpetuity. You're obviously incapable of exercising your right to use mental excercises without hurting yourself, your cause, and any Reality in the general vicinity.

cathyf

Like this is kinda off topic, but how does Hamsher move to a new state and take up a full-time unpaid job as a campaign volunteer? Is she some sort of trust fund baby? Why should I care about the opinions of somebody who doesn't need to work for a living?

cathy :-)

SteveMG

For the millionth time,

Well, there are similarities between Chafee and Lieberman.

Neither one voted for Bush.

SMG

Bob

"Which household would you prefer to live in?"

Cleo you are really need to seek help. Actually we don't need to "Grant me room for a metaphor, we need to get you a "padded room" for you and your family!

So your seeing this Lieberman/Lamont race as just the left having a heated discussion. But in truth it sounds like most liberal households... simply dysfunctional.

topsecretk9

And this would prove ... nothing. And be symbolic of ... nothing. The "small individual donors" have no connection to any of this photo shenanigans, except to support a candidate in an election.

BS. This is precisely why Lamont pussed out when his main boosters dumbly upstaged - "I know nothing about the blogs"

You said it

Hamsher, et al, may be traipsing about the Nutmeg countryside carrying Lamont on their collective shoulders, but none of them can vote in CT - kind of a key point in all of this.

More like, I want CT voters to nothing about the blogs.

The Unbeliever

Well, there are similarities between Chafee and Lieberman. Neither one voted for Bush.

Good point. Anyone want to hazard a guess what would happen to lefty support for any Congressional Democrats who admitted they did not vote for Kerry?

DC

How silly. To say that a mainstream politician has to publicly disassociate himself from a lowly blogger in order to prove his virtue. Truth is, Tom, you're a partisan hack, guilty of the same flaws of which you accuse the "moonbat" left. But, as are they, you're very entertaining. BTW, say goodbye to your republican majority:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/08/04/the_gathering_storm.html

Martin

Oh BS unbeliever. Lieberman was also goofy on Social Security. If you think all those delegates to the State Dem convention who went for lamont are just Kos clones, you're wrong.

Lieberman's been pissing off Conneticut Dems for a long time, just Like Chaffee and Specter have pissed off conservatives.

Yeah-I know he was the Vice President candidate six years ago! How did Repubs embrace Dan Quayle as a candidate after his Vice Presidency?

Larry's Johnson

...how does Hamsher move to a new state and take up a full-time unpaid job as a campaign volunteer? Is she some sort of trust fund baby? Why should I care about the opinions of somebody who doesn't need to work for a living?

she's a hollyweirdo. she worked in the movie business. she has a producing credit or two. typical limousine liberal.

larwyn

"catawampus"with so many definitions including fierce and askew--it captures at the same time their tangled thinking and fercoious defense of nonsensical thinking..

Clarice, shall we call them "catawampites", "catawampists" or "catawapusses"?

The "pusses" rather gets across their lack of courage/character and the sound of word suggests their acceptance of the deviant.

A biblical/historical name of a horrid culture is trying to work it way out of all that stored info in my mind.....someone?

windansea

catawankers

topsecretk9

To say that a mainstream politician has to publicly disassociate himself from a lowly blogger in order to prove his virtue.

Hamsher's a lowly blogger now?

What happened to the power of the people movement?

clarice

Catawampustules?

Sue

What is the difference between those primary challenges to Republican incumbents and Lamonts challenge to Lieberman?

Voting records. Lieberman is a solid liberal. He is a democrat of the Scoop Jackson era. Hawkish. The others are RINOs. They vote with democrats more often than with republicans.

larwyn

The word I was trying to remember was "catamite". It actually refers to the boy used, the victim of sexual abuse and not the abuser.

When I think of the KosKids/DUers and all the rest of these mostly youngsters taught and encouraged to spew venom w/o reason, they are being abused just as the arabs abuse their children with indoctrination into their death cults.

Therefore think the cata- works.

Sue

typical limousine liberal.

I bet she wants me to give up my SUV.

PeterUK

If the Dems get to play with this war,"Cataclysm"

Joe Mealyus

I wrote: "Why is using blackface imagery for satirical purposes automatically assumed to have 'offensive to all African-Americans' status."

SteveMG: "Often during these performances, black people would be portrayed in ugly stereotypical caricatures.... Can you not see how a black person today wouldn't be upset over the use of that stereotype or imagery?"

I could see how they might get upset over certain uses of that stereotype or imagery. But offensive elements of the historical past get used in various ways. Is every reference to the Klu Klux Klan automatically offensive to black people? (Or more to the point, treated as such?).

I think it's hard to genuinely offend people with something that doesn't really make sense. Especially satire that doesn't make sense - satire is usually done broadly, not opaquely. About the only thing that I think is clear about the image in question is that the demeaning of black people was not part of its intent.

I admit I could be 100% wrong. Perhaps part of my problem is that I've never fathomed the "blackface performance = entertainment" equation in the first place. It's like when I see the "All God's Children" scene in A Day at the Races - it strikes me as more purely weird than racist. I'm sure black people see it very differently, but I'll bet this kind of thing doesn't strike every black person the same way.

Extraneus

According to the National Journal's 2005 report, Lieberman's voting record was more liberal than that of 7 other Democrat senators, including Robert Byrd.

(Can everyone guess who was #1 without looking?)

larwyn

PUK,
With "cata", we're on to something.

Taranto on NYT's Rumsfeld piece is good example of the
miseducation/abuse of the young by the LEFT:

"If we left Iraq prematurely," he said, "the enemy would tell us to leave Afghanistan and then withdraw from the Middle East. And if we left the Middle East, they'd order us and all those who don't share their militant ideology to leave what they call the occupied Muslim lands from Spain to the Philippines." And finally, he intoned, America will be forced "to make a stand nearer home."

No one in charge of American foreign affairs has talked
like that in decades. After Vietnam, of course, the communist empire did not swarm all over Asia as predicted; it tottered and collapsed
.

"The Times thinks we can pull out of Iraq without consequences because things worked out fine* after Vietnam, and Rumsfeld is "stuck in a time warp"?

* Well, except for the people of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos".
....Taranto

and Castro & the Parrot:
"Fidel Castro 'Resting' in Hospital, Says Cuban Official," according to a EuroNews.net headline. To which one might respond, with apologies to the Monty Python crew: " 'E's passed on! This tyrant is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! This is an ex-tyrant!!"
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110008752

Extraneus

Btw, have any blacks complained about the blackface images?

PeterUK

Larwyn
Al Gore "Catatonic"

larwyn

Joe M,
How did the uproar over Gov Romney's use of "tar baby" strike you?

And did you get a look at the photoshopped Liberman the homo pics. Link about or just go to LittleGreenFootballs.

TheVolokhConspiracy has posted on definitions of "tar baby". When I was young and we went to my Aunts cottage on Lake Erie, after storms bits of sticky tar would wash deposit on the beach. If we got down before my uncle raked it, the stuff we got on, at minimum, our feet and hands were refered to as "playing with the tar babies again?" At that point in time they used a mix of gasoline and oil to get the stuff off us. Only scissors did job when in hair.

How did you see "tar baby" mouthed by a Republican and did you laugh at the "homo Joe" photos?

Semanticleo

"Semanticleo, after reading the inanity that followed, I hereby revoke your metaphorical privileges in perpetuity"

Your compliments are entirely unnecessary.

Extraneus

Oh, and if you sort on the social policy voting record, he's more liberal than 13 other Dems. I count 44 total Democrats in that list, so that puts him somewhere near the 30th percentile relative to all Democrats in the Senate on social policy.

No wonder he's gotta go.

(Guess who's the #1 liberal on that list.)

SteveMG

Extraneus:
Btw, have any blacks complained about the blackface images?

Why not conduct your own little experiment? Print a copy of the photograph and then go up to black Americans and ask them if making a minstrel caricature of a white person is insulting or not to them.

Come back here with your results.

Good luck.

SMG

Extraneus

Steve, that's not exactly my point. I know the usual suspects would be highly offended if a Republican created the image, and it was posted on a right-wing blog. It'd be on the front page of the NYT. I'm just asking if any notable blacks have complained about this particular offense. I hadn't heard about any comments from Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, and I know they've been pretty involved in the CT campaign lately.

Extraneus

Maybe Barak Obama has commented on it? Charlie Rangle? Major Owens? Hell, I know Ms McKinney's in a pretty hot race in GA, maybe she's made a statement on the issue. I'm just wondering.

SteveMG

Steve, that's not exactly my point.

Sorry, I completely mis-read your point.

You mean have any black Americans of note or stature expressed their displeasure?

Good point. None that I'm aware of.

It has been noted before that increasingly in America race is more of a political mindset (if you will) than a skin color. E.g., Clarence Thomas is not a "real" black while Bill Clinton is the first black President.

SMG

Sue

while Bill Clinton is the first black President

Which strikes me as odd. The dogs at FDL also told Clinton to go f... himself. They are bat shit crazy...if you ask me.

Semanticleo

"told Clinton to go f... himself."

No, they aren't crazy. If he had f.....himself
instead of ML, the Dems would have the WH and
Congress. He totally f..... us all.

SteveMG

The dogs at FDL also told Clinton to go f...

Well that indicates again, it seems to me, that it's not just Lieberman that they're after. This storyline that is being promoted by some that it's Lieberman's stance on the judicial filibuster or his view on requiring Catholic hospitals to carry contraceptives is (mostly) just that, a story.

They're opposed to anyone remotely moderate or centrist who doesn't pee on George Bush and who believes that the causes of the conflict against radical Islam predated the polices of the current Administration.

Scholars have been telling us for about a quarter century that with the collapse of pan-Arab nationalism that radical Islam would fill the vacuum. Nasser replaced by Qutb.

But some folks just need to insist that it was the neocons or Bush alone (or mostly) that has caused this violence. This conflict has its causes in much much more than the invasion of Iraq.

SMG

Extraneus

It has been noted before that increasingly in America race is more of a political mindset (if you will) than a skin color. E.g., Clarence Thomas is not a "real" black while Bill Clinton is the first black President.

Exactly. And this is why when the right tries to capitalze on the types of slights the left can get away with going postal over, it often falls flat, because it's only white people (even if joined by blacks that don't count, like Justice Thomas and others of his ilk) claiming offense. Hell, how does anyone know you or I aren't black? But it doesn't matter, because we wouldn't be real ones even if we were.

When Republicans play it, the race-card seems even more unseemly to me. That's why I hate when we play it. None of the "real" blacks support the play, because it's really all just politics and not race. Just politics.

It's like when people wondered why the NOW gang wasn't all over Clinton for sexual harrassment, yet the same fanatics burned the clumsy kisser Packwood at the stake. Just politics.

topsecretk9

--They're opposed to anyone remotely moderate or centrist who doesn't pee on George Bush and who believes that the causes of the conflict against radical Islam predated the polices of the current Administration.--

Exactly right.

I know the simplicity of it sounds too fantastic to be true, but it was the hug (or acknowledgment) Bush showed Lieberman at the SOTUS that started this. It was this simple gesture that infuriated them.

Other Tom

"But this disparity in the amount of entertainment work for blacks, and asians, still rankles to this day."

Disparity? Really? I would hazard a guess that African-Americans, to use the accepted lingo of the day, are "disproportionately represented" among major film stars. E.g., Denzel, Samuel L. Jackson, Lawrence Fishburne, James Earl Jones, Danny Glover, all those rap guys who show up in every third movie, and etc. And against them are arrayed the likes of Tom Cruise and the now-defunct Mel Gibson? No contest--the honkies are being shut out.

Ordinarly at this point I would have something to say to dear Cleo, but to be honest I can't understand a thing she has said on this thread. I think she got into the vodka a tad bit early today.

Other Tom

Good God--off topic, but irrestible. Here is some dude in the Arab Times announcing that Nasrallah has found himself in a quagmire.

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtimes/opinion/view.asp?msgID=1254

eric

I couldn't find the time to read every post here, but has anybody else identified the irony in this post? That the right-wing in the US is virulently opposed to anything acknowledging historical racism (Affirmative Action, I'm looking at you!), yet here's TM calling for a wholesale punishment of Ned Lamont by proxy in the form of Jane Hamsher for one stupid mistake.

Now, let's see if we can use this to dig deeper. Is it possible that this is the worst possible political blunder operating in the public sphere right now? This week? This month? Year? If not, then we should start to apprise ourselves of the line that Tom is attempting to draw here. Surely it's not just a partisan punishment, right? So let's spend some time reflecting on who might else be subject to this unspoken code of behavior so we know who else needs to return their campaign donations and sever relationships with volunteers.

Presuming that people would actually undertake this project (TM, this one is owned by you, so be a good manager here), what are the chances that the only people subject to this punishment are Democrats?

Terrye

McKinney is having trouble with her primary too, but for different reasons. She is too crazy even for the left. Tell you what, go ask her what she thinks of black face. Don't forget to duck.

Terrye

eric:

I don't think the issue is just the black face, it is the duplicity.

SteveMG

That the right-wing in the US is virulently opposed to anything acknowledging historical racism

Opposed to anything acknowledging historical racism? Really? Anything?

So, unless one embraces affirmation action one doesn't acknowledge the legacy of racism in America?

Not to be too cute, but can you name one "rightwinger" of note that denies that there was "historical racism" in America?

Look, William Bennett marched with Dr. King for civil rights in the 1960s. Yet today he is against affirmative action.

Does that mean that Bennett "doesn't acknowledge historical racism".

Sorry, I can't discern any point in your post at all.

SMG

Rick Ballard

Eric,

I'll admit that Tom really hid the ball by accentuating this:

"I don't know anything about the blogs. I'm not responsible for those. I have no comment on them."
and titling the post Ned Lamont Fails First Test Of Character.

Thanks for making all of us aware that it is really about racism.

BTW - Any guess as to whether Lamont will improve as a liar?

topsecretk9

Oh Eric please.

Hamsher has a moronic history of making gynormous deals out of everything, big, small and even make believe. For god-sakes, she went on week long feeding frenzy because the WAPO deleted all her minion directed Fuck comments. You think if Malkin had a Ned Lamont in blackface image Hamsher wouldn't go ballistic?

Nice try on the minimizing though, but your boy Lamont pussed out.

topsecretk9

I'm wondering if all the visiting commenters that seem to take umbrage that TM would blog the obvious are regular FDL'ers? Just curious because it takes some big cojones to come here and post your grievances while your site moderators fingers have only moved to the left of the delete key to rewrite peoples comments.

PeterUK

I would agree with Eric,the post is indeed a coded reference to racism,note the oblique reference to Al Jolson which can only lead us inexorably to his smear of the dyslexic mullah with his song "Imam"

Jane

Extraneus,

I appreciate your point. And in many ways this is all about beating them at their own little politically correct nitpicking game.
Can you imagine the situation in reverse? Can you imagine what the moonbats would be doing and saying if say Rick Santorum posed Casey in blackface? We would never hear the end of it.

The problem is we are supposed to be different from them - I think that is the basis of your objection. And you are right. If the Santorum campaign had done that I would think it was dumb, but not criminal. And if Santorum had lied about his association with his own campaign, I'd think it was dumber still, but it would probably not be a dealbreaker if I was a Santorum supporter. Mostly I'd just think the moonbats were being typical, and I'd reserve my disgust for them.

BUT it is very compelling to give them a dose of their own medicine.

Then again, we run the risk of becoming like them...

Rick Ballard

"Then again, we run the risk of becoming like them..."

The thought of having 98% of your brain sucked out should give anyone pause.

lurker

Call for a Coup?

This is sickening.

Extraneus

lol

Extraneus

Who's Bobby Rush? :-)

Jane

The thought of having 98% of your brain sucked out should give anyone pause.

Okay, maybe I overreacted.

lurker

Does Soros want a "National Socialism"?

Meaning removal of all civil liberties?

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