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Comments

Other Tom

Which is more of an "outing": Armitage's disclosures to Woodward and Novak, or Rove's subsequent question to Novak, "Oh, you know that too?" (That's Novak's version; Rove says it was, "Oh, you heard that too?") I still maintain that, if I were Rove and I were asked under oath if I was Novak's source, I would say "No."

Cecil Turner

But Armitages's biography strongly suggest an intel background, so it seems fair to guess he had contacts in the intel community.

Certainly he had contacts within State's intel community, including its boss, who'd rewritten the memo on the day before the Novak interview. Ol' Bill Ockham would probably like the Newsweek version.

I'm having similar difficulty with the "operative" argument. CIA officers call themselves "officers" and aren't supposed to be admitting specific NOCs even exist, let alone talking about their qualifications. This looks a lot more like someone getting it second or third-hand and trying to describe someone who works in the "Operations Directorate."

topsecretk9

Byron York asks the obvious

And Fitzgerald "aggressively investigated" Armitage? Did he have the Armitage calendars from June 2003, recently obtained via the Freedom of Information Act by the Associated Press, showing that Armitage had met with Bob Woodward during that time? If so, why was the aggressive investigator surprised when Woodward came forward to reveal that he, too, had been told about Plame?

JorgXMcKie

I'm only a lurker, but maybe Fitz was on a mission, and Armitage just wasn't part of it? "None so blind as they who will not see" and all?

Cecil Turner

And the funniest part of this, assuming the INR memo is in fact the source, is that Plame/Wilson did it to themselves. Plame hosts the meeting in Feb 2002, and the INR guy writes her identity in his notes. The notes resurface in response to Wilson's article, and Armitage passes it on, apparently innocently. Makes the Dem hyperventilation over "outing" and demands for independent counsel look pretty silly, eh?

megrez80

I think someone's covering for Armitage. This excerpt from the Newsweek article:

"But now, in a second column, Novak provided a tantalizing clue: his primary source, he wrote, was a "senior administration official" who was "not a partisan gunslinger.""

seems wrong. Wasn't the phrase "not a partisan gunslinger." in Novak's first article?

Neuro-conservative

Can anybody square this circle?:

From the indictment:

21. On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003, LIBBY spoke to a senior official in the White House ("Official A") who advised LIBBY of a conversation Official A had earlier that week with columnist Robert Novak in which Wilson's wife was discussed as a CIA employee involved in Wilson's trip. LIBBY was advised by Official A that Novak would be writing a story about Wilson's wife.

From today's article:
In the early morning of Oct. 1, 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell received an urgent phone call from his No. 2 at the State Department. Richard Armitage was clearly agitated...But now, in a second column, Novak provided a tantalizing clue: his primary source, he wrote, was a "senior administration official" who was "not a partisan gunslinger." Armitage was shaken. After reading the column, he knew immediately who the leaker was. On the phone with Powell that morning, Armitage was "in deep distress," says a source directly familiar with the conversation who asked not to be identified because of legal sensitivities. "I'm sure he's talking about me."

Patton

I've worked in the intel community for over 25 years and I have never heard anyone call themselves or others on our side an 'operative'.

I think Novak just used the term the same as he uses it for 'political operative'.

If the Plame story had been a picture: We would find ghost images, duplication, smoke added, fake rockets, fake casualties and rusty holes claimed as new damage all in one picture.

megrez80

Patton, you're correct. Novak has written as much.

Regarding my previous post on the "not a partisan gunslinger." phrase, I was wrong. I found, and read, Novak's first article, and it's NOT in there.

Don

So how in the hell did the White House manage to let its own DOJ indict Cheney's #1?

I still don't get it.

topsecretk9

FirdogLake says this only deepens the mystery and something is "missing". I'm actually embarrassed for her now.

jerry

I think a Plame picture would show Rove and Libby gleefully scheming to use Woodward's conversation with Armitage to push out an article attacking the Wilson and his wife - enter Novak, Cooper, etc....

Don

Never mind, I see Byron York is all over it:

"The question that responsible authorities should answer now is why the investigation was allowed to go forward for three more months, and then why Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed, and then why his investigation went on for more than two and a half years...

There are many, many questions that need to be answered about this case."

I agree, with the caveat that President Bush is the responsible authority. This whole investigation has been conducted by his own DOJ!

clarice

Grest TM. I blogged this and added your suspicions-I think Armitage deserves to be shunned forever in D.C> and have demanded McCain Boot him from the Straight Talk Express or signal that he prefers self-serving perfidious people to loyalists with integrity.

Patton--love that remark.

Isn't it ironic that Corn who set the revenge outing of a covert agent is making money off of this? PHEHE and double Pheh,

York's comment is good, too, but then I think that in the end Fitz and Armitage should go down in flames over this outrage.

windansea

I think a Plame picture would show

Val & Joe cavorting in their Jaguar??

Joe looking serious and Val in her pajamas?

clarice

Don. It's time for a long hard talk with Comey. What did he know and when did he know it? Hint: I think his office was a snakepit every bit as determined to sink the V-P's office as the CIA and State were to sink Rumsfeld and the President.

(Can't wait for Rome to be on HBO again. It's so familiar to those of us in D.C>)

topsecretk9

Don...for Fitzgerald insight - has a tendency to not understand things, such as "victim" of crime vs. committing crime

http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2005/11/21/daily7.html”>Before and http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/17/AR2006031701814.html”>after


Ian

This has been a non-story since day one. No one cares about this story except the media itself with its typical narcissism.

sad

Clarice

Love your AT article and agree with your call to McCain. What is the deal with Armitage? Is he a sniveling coward or someone who outroved Rove?

Rick Ballard

"I'm only a lurker, but maybe Fitz was on a mission, and Armitage just wasn't part of it?"

JorgXMcKie,

Comey's creation of PROSECUTOR UNBOUND would be the place to start looking concerning that aspect. Fitz's staircase to political fame is now missing quite a few steps.

Jane

I'm just angry. It's not like we didn't know all of this, but I'm angry at a country so divided that it devours its own. I'm angry at people who waste time, money and reputations for sport. I'm angry at the fact that BDS is rampant and it all is a big game to so many. I'm really angry at the MSM, and their lack of seriousness. I'll get over it, but every once in a while, it just comes pouring out.

Don

TS9 and Clarice-so it turns out this thing is a massive exerise in negigent supervision of employees.

One employee leaks classified info without intent.

Other employees run with it truth be damned.

Many of your employees have to hire lawyres and go to grand jury proceedings.

A presumably key employee gets indicted for God knows what.

So, I'm sorry-but at some point you have to ask the boss-what the hell kind of shop are you running?

noah

Gee Don are you arguing for a unitary executive or do you just have your head up your ass?

Lew Clark

But Clarice,

Shouldn't David Corn get money out of this? It was he who invented the "crime" of outing a non-covert agent. Doesn't an inventor get royalties from their invention?

Don

Who needs a unitary executive to argue that Bush is the boss of every single DOJ employee? It's just a fact.

Here's another one for you Noah- the DOJ knew by October 1, 2003 that Armitage was the leaker.

But Bush still hires a lawyer and submits to over an hour of questioning by Fitzgerald!

what the hell is up with that?

Chirp

Don:

"One employee leaks classified info without intent."

Fitz has never alleged that anyone leaked any classified info. He has stated that no one knowingly did so, but has never said that the info was classified. He's walked all around the 'classified' issue, but if memory serves, he refused to comment when asked directly if classified information was released.

If Fitz can't say that classsified info was leaked, how can you?

JM Hanes

Per Bob, on the previous Armitage thread, with a link to the Meet the Press transcript:

MR. RUSSERT: The article goes on to quote State Department Intelligence Chief Carl Ford as saying Armitage said, “I’m afraid I’m the guy who may have caused all this,” and that he had met with one Robert Novak on July 8, Mr. Armitage did. Are you now prepared to say, confirm Newsweek that Richard Armitage was one of your sources?

"MR. NOVAK: I told Mr. Isikoff, the investigator—he’s a very good investigative reporter, by the way—but I told him that I do not identify my sources on any subject if they’re on a confidential basis until they identify themselves. I don’t say that somebody was or wasn’t. I’m going to say one thing, though, I haven’t said before. And that is that I believe that the time has way passed for my source to identify himself."

Waaaay past time, indeed. Merely identifying himself is the least of it.

Bob
"MR. RUSSERT: The article goes on to quote State Department Intelligence Chief Carl Ford as saying Armitage said, “I’m afraid I’m the guy who may have caused all this,” and that he had met with one Robert Novak on July 8, Mr. Armitage did. Are you now prepared to say, confirm Newsweek that Richard Armitage was one of your sources?

"MR. NOVAK: I told Mr. Isikoff, the investigator—he’s a very good investigative reporter, by the way—but I told him that I do not identify my sources on any subject if they’re on a confidential basis until they identify themselves. I don’t say that somebody was or wasn’t. I’m going to say one thing, though, I haven’t said before. And that is that I believe that the time has way passed for my source to identify himself."


Transcript from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14452115/page/7/>Meet the Press

as I posted on the other thread

jerry

windandsea, you're back! Hahaha, you're right about the Wilson glossies... but I think I'm right about the WH plot.

Bob

I gave up on JH! thanks

Bob

windansea

Don...if we build you a giant wall will you STFU?

I want you to know I am down here in Mexico making gazillions while recieving free health care....feel better?

or maybe you're just a mole trying to stifle turnout??

Don

Chirp-ok it wasn't classified. I don't know all the Plame details nor do I even care.

Only 2 things have ever aroused my interest:

1. Why did Ashcroft recuse himself?

2. Why is the White House letting this investigation unfold the way it is?

This is a DOJ investigation. The executive branch is investigating itself.

That's why this increasing "Bush is a victim of DOJ prosecutors" theme is so BS. Bush IS the head of the DOJ.

So I'm with York-there are many questions that need to be answered-about the investigation-not the leak.

noah

Well Don you have made a case for wrongdoing at DOJ. Bush cannot prevent others from doing wrong.

Utopias do not exist. Get over it young man. (You must be very young to have such high expectations...be prepared to be disappointed.)

topsecretk9

--but I think I'm right about the WH plot.--

Yes and Jerry your plot looks more and more real with each passing day, sort of like Field of Dreams -- If you believe it, it might come true

Bob

don... Ashcroft recuse himself to avoid the Dems claiming a cover-up. He did the right thing. And the Admin is letting it unfold this way because they knew what a joke it was. This has hurt the Dems more than they (you) are willing to admit!

JM Hanes

Don:
"So how in the hell did the White House manage to let its own DOJ indict Cheney's #1?"

Because, as the Isikoff article clearly states, Gonzalez & the White House played it by the book and refused to interfere with the investigation.


Bob:

Better twice than never!


Jane:

Ditto that. Somehow finally reading it in print (and then watching Corn tap dance all over it) brings the outrage to a head.

Don

Very incisive Bob!

I bet they let get Cheney get indicted to ensure a Republican president in 2008!

clarice

I'm told Yoo is writing a book about what was going on at DoJ--And I suspect more will come out of the DoJ's war against the Administration.

Perhaps some of the NSA leaks will be sourced there.
Certainly Comey's conduct warrants more scrutiny than it has so far received. He set up this super special prosecution, appointed his friend Fitz to the post, made it ongoing with special sauce funding and knw early on it was a crock.

I share Jane's outrage.

I think the Judge made an enormous mistake it not pitching it on the basis of an unconstitutional appointment. Frankly, the Comey-Fitz esp limitation on authority argument was so preposterous, had I been the Court I'd have demanded Comey's appearance and testimony on the appointment process .

I also think as I have for some time that Fitz skated from the outset on patchy, thin ice..and if he had a grain of sense he'd drop the case now with an apology to Libby whose life has been upended while partisan crooks and self-serving masters of perfidy go on their way.

Don

Mr. Hanes-ok that's a thesis-but if there's nothing to investigate, as seems increasingly clear, how the hell did they let Libby get indicted?

At some point-you might need to supervise even a "hands-off" investigation.

windansea

Don

what is it about the concept of independent prosecutor that you do not understand?

do you think Fitz has been sending weekly reports to Bush about what facts his investigation have revealed?

topsecretk9

BTW...remember that bit Libby's lawyers submitting a transcript or something that is Colin Powell saying "Everybody knows..." in the Situation Room...they and Fitz disagree about what Powell is referring to...anyways...when was this meeting to have taken place, anyone remember off the top? I'm thinking after the investigation started.

Jim Treacher

This whole fiasco is as intricate and full of nothing as a bale of cotton candy.

Patrick R. Sullivan

What a piece of work is David Corn:

'The outing of Armitage does change the contours of the leak case. The initial leaker was not plotting vengeance.'

He means the contours don't change for those committed to circular reasoning.

Don

Actually I do, windansea. At least I know he is obligated to periodically report to Gonzalez, who is quite free to share any and all info with the President.

noah

Just as I suspected Don...you actually know nothing. Gonzales has distanced himself from the investigation completely.

clarice

No, Don--Not under the super special prosecution terms Comey cooked up. Indeed, Congress doesn't even have the right to oversee the budgetting of this operation under these super special terms.

Other Tom

"I think a Plame picture would show Rove and Libby gleefully scheming to use Woodward's conversation with Armitage..."

Are we sure that either Rove or Libby knew about Armitage's conversation with Woodward? When and how did they learn of it?

Don--I'm not so sure that as of October, 2003 DOJ knew that Armitage was "the" leaker. And once an investigation is begun, all percipient witnesses are advised (and are ethically required) not to discuss the matter with one another. (Try to imagine the outrage if it is later discovered that they did so.) And I'm not so sure that any president, whether Clinton or Bush (or Carter or Reagan) is at liberty to shut down an investigation, given the shitstorm Nixon created when he tried to.

mark c.

how ironic that it appears the only gov't entity willing to keep a "secret" under their hat was the white house. you know, the ones that are accused every day of a vendetta.

noah

"head up your ass" is winning Don.

topsecretk9

Oh..Oh..Oh...with this little bit today, Armitage worried and calling Powell, sure Novak was referring to him....remember Novak's little bombshell that a "3rd" party called Novak after the investigation had been initiated to say that the sources leak was inadvertent...

going to repeat York's question here

And Fitzgerald "aggressively investigated" Armitage? Did he have the Armitage calendars from June 2003, recently obtained via the Freedom of Information Act by the Associated Press, showing that Armitage had met with Bob Woodward during that time? If so, why was the aggressive investigator surprised when Woodward came forward to reveal that he, too, had been told about Plame?

and ADD that Fitzgerald was also not vexed by the 3rd party Novak witness tampering...but saw Libby's letter as an attempt.

Does Armitage just have compromising photo's of Fitz or something...because with Fitz' slim standard in Libby's case one would think Armitage would have major problems

JM Hanes

PatrickRS:

LOL! Circular reasoning, AKA spin.

Bob
"head up your ass" is winning Don.

...it's got my vote noah!

Rick Ballard

MJW,

If you're around (haven't seen you for a while), thank you for your work on identifying Armitage. That was actually investigative reporting, rather than the simple regurgitation of Dem talking points by the scum floating at the top of the MSM cesspool.

A tug on a thread....

noah

OT: Wretchard has a hilarious juxtaposition or the captured Fox guys with their right index fingers raised in the air during their forced conversion to Islam vs. John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever..."Staying Alive" dance number.

windansea

it looks to me like Corn (with Wilson as source) and his article is the first to out Val as a "covert" CIA employee.

I seem to remember Corn saying he called Wilson after he wrote the article for a reaction....sounds like most liars i know who always offer up too much information.

clarice

Maybe the WH could get more favorable coverage if they just kidnapped reporters once in a while, sat on their heads and made them under gun point switch to the Republican party.
Just saying...

clarice

OT But perhaps we ought to start a wit and wisdom of Joe Biden thread:
"WALLACE: And, finally, Senator Biden — finally, we've got about 30 seconds left, but I can't let you go without some politics. As we've mentioned, you're in South Carolina right now, on the campaign trial. Thirty seconds or less, what kind of a chance would a Northeastern liberal like Joe Biden stand in the South if you were running in Democratic primaries against southerners like Mark Warner and John Edwards.

BIDEN: Better than anybody else. You don't know my state. My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state has the eighth-largest black population in the country. My state is anything from a Northeast liberal state."

noah

Good point windansea, but to our BDS impaired fellow citizens the only thing that matters is hypothetical states of mind. How moralistic!

JM Hanes

Clarice:

Well done!

In re:

Had he spoken out earlier could anyone have missed the tensions between the Department of State and the White House which was certainly the basis of innumerable anonymously sourced stories harmful to the white House?
And not just anonymously sourced material either. I was amazed at how many times Powell, in oh-so-measured tones, publicly undercut the Administration at strategic junctures. I think no one really noticed, because unlike so many around him, Powell was not the usual partisan idealogue. Powell's political prority was Powell.

jerry

Are we sure that either Rove or Libby knew about Armitage's conversation with Woodward? When and how did they learn of it?

Woodward interviewed someone in the WH on June 20 2003 and planned to ask about Mrs. Wilson (because Armitage had mentioned her). He apparently has the question in his notes, but I don't know if who he met with is public or if there is a tape of the talk.

I'd guess that Woodward mentioned Mrs. Wilson to whoever he met, and then the WH proceeded to insert Plame into their attack on Wilson. I just read something saying Libby told Miller about Mrs Wilson on June 23, if this is true it fits my explanation. What they deliberately set out to do was find a legal way to out Plame (thus the events with Novak, Cooper, and others).

I don't think the events regarding Woodward are public, so we don't "know for sure," it's my speculation.

JM Hanes

Oops! Well done!

noah

How thoughtful of you Jerry to label your speculation as such. I am sure nobody else noticed!! Just more hyposthetical piled upon hypothetical piled upon...

Where is Jeff? He's the master.

clarice

Thanks JMH.
Jerry, Woodward says that person was Libby. He meant to ask him he said, but doesn't recall if he did and his notes don't reflect an answer.
Perhaps he TOLD him and Libby confused Woodward with another reporter--say, Russert.

Odd that you should forget that.

Rick Ballard

"Where is Jeff?"

Out at the dump, helping Kristof and Pincus try to find their reputations.

Jane

Okay, so come Monday morning how does this play out?

Where should Libby's lawyer's squeeze?

On one hand we know nothing has changed since Fitzy appears to have been in on the scam. But will seeing the light of day put some added pressure on him? And in what form does that pressure come? With the hurricane, the plane crash and the release of the hostages, there is no play of this story in the news. The dems don't want any publicity, so will the story just die?

How will this information play to the Judge. Did he already know this? Does it have no bearing on the criminal case? Is the guy in the tank?

I suspect Judge Banks will take a very different path in the civil case, which will be fun to watch, but how does this news play out in the criminal matter?

Cecil Turner

I'd guess that Woodward mentioned Mrs. Wilson to whoever he met, and then the WH proceeded to insert Plame into their attack on Wilson.

Oh, that makes sense. Once she's outed, we can out her again! That'll teach 'em!

windansea

Jane...I mean Madam President

On Monday Fitzy will have a presser in which he uses football instead of baseball analogies

insert witty football analogy here

clarice

Banks seems to have their number. You can see him laughing as he dismissed their privacy motion.

Maybe even Judge Tatel has figured out he was had...

It's past time for the DoJ Office of Professional responsibility to get to work though they won't.
Ditto all the way around with Gonzales.

The criminal case Judge should be banging his head in the shower for not dismissing the case on constitutional grounds.

And the reporters have no reason to keep Fitz on the pedestal so it should be getting lonelier for him. But I don't see him acting to dismiss.

McCain starts shunning Armitage or suffers for it, and once he does, everyone does.Toast.

Maybe the most we can hope for is a bump in contributions to the Libby defense fund and a very amusing examination of Armitage and cross of Miller.

noah

And the Left might rightfully inquire why we are putting such faith in Corn. Well, true to type he did manage to insert an ad hominem hypothetical into the narrative! (And jerry, bless him, adopted it without further appraisal...its so easy ya don't even have to think!)

windansea

jerry's busy working out the arbitrage on Armitage :)

maryrose

Let's try to look at this logically and clearly. I find it hard to believe that any White House employee would waste their time trying to hurt Wilson or out his wife. These are two nobodies who are dying to be somebodies. Why would anyone worry about their status or their false conclusions? Plame violated her own oath to uphold the confidentiality of her job. She should have been fired immediately. Wilson as a partisan gunslinger should have been booted out the door with a thanks but no thanks.

noah

"When the going gets tough, the tough gets going"?

Or,

"No hill for a climber"?

noah

OT: But does anyone else but me have a problem with Typepad remembering name and e-mail address? (It doesn't really lose them, it just won't use them!)

Jane

I wish I knew as much about this case as you (and others do) Clarice, because maybe the next move would be clearer to me. Libby's lawyers can't file a motion to dismiss because he's not actually indicted for leaking her name. But it seems to me a flurry of activity is called for on behalf of the defendant if only to keep the pressure on Fitzgerald and the Judge. My fear is that nothing changes and this just fades from view, altho the Newsweek piece will help because that will be arriving on doorsteps all week.

Bush should make a statement, altho he doesn't usually dwell in those tawdry depths.

And windansea it's a damn good thing I'm not the bloody president, because I'm in the mood for a few public exections right about now.

My only ray of hope lies with Judge Banks. Altho my guess is that he will be a lot more juducial than is called for.

Jane

I just thought about Chermansky (or whatever the little dweeb's name is) and it made me laugh.

Sara (Squiggler)
I'm just angry. It's not like we didn't know all of this, but I'm angry at a country so divided that it devours its own. I'm angry at people who waste time, money and reputations for sport. I'm angry at the fact that BDS is rampant and it all is a big game to so many. I'm really angry at the MSM, and their lack of seriousness. I'll get over it, but every once in a while, it just comes pouring out.

I'm with Jane. I'm furious over this. I know we all "knew" it was Armitage, but to think that he sat back and allowed a collegue to be indicted and put through hell, not to mention the expense, and he allowed Miller to sit in jail for weeks and weeks, is inconcienable. And I'm with Clarice that McCain has some 'spainin' to do if he keeps Armitage onboard. This guy should go down for something just because he is such a jerk, if nothing else.

But I'm also with Don (why are you all being so hard on him?). I'm not so juvenile as to think that the President, whether Bush or some other, has first hand knowledge of every single conversation or interaction of every executive branch department or employee, that's why there is a Cabinet and Cabinet Officers to run departments, but at some point the WH did know or should have known and this farce should have been called off. And now to Fitz ... I'm ready to have an SP appointed to go after him. It is looking more and more like he has been working for the CIA cabal/dems in this whole fiasco.

I wish Libby could sue the whole lot of them for his mential distress and his attorney fees. Now that would be justice.

Does anyone now see Libby's Aspen reference as a reminder to Judy that it was Armitage who gave her the info, seeing as how Armitage was part of that group too?

Sara (Squiggler)

inconscienable = unconscienable. Shouldn't type when I'm so angry.

noah

still misspeled it...unconscionable. There now .

noah

misspelled....LOL

Sara (Squiggler)

:: BLUSH :: Proves my point. :: BEAT READ ::

Sara (Squiggler)

Yikes! RED. I quit.

windansea

Does anyone now see Libby's Aspen reference as a reminder to Judy that it was Armitage who gave her the info, seeing as how Armitage was part of that group too?

yup

re Don...if you followed previous threads about Fitz and who he reports to you would have seen Comey saying something about following the investigation through the press and by Vulcan mind melding

Jane

And let's not forget Powell, in this whole mess.

Fenrisulven

That's why this increasing "Bush is a victim of DOJ prosecutors" theme is so BS. Bush IS the head of the DOJ.

So who does CIA work for? Because there is obviously a bias at CIA against Bush's foreign policy. They have been sabatoging it with constant leaks to the NYTs.

Rick Ballard

The President is responsible for clearing up a 100% press generated farce?

Comey's gone and as Other Tom noted, the last time a President touched a special persecutor the outcome wasn't pleasant.

The politician's who fanned this were Schumer and Conyer, one not running and one untouchable. Fortunately, their party isn't untouchable, nor is the reputation of the journo hacks responsible for keeping this rolling with the drooling lefties.

clarice

I still don't know about the Aspen reference. It's too ambiguous for me, but i agree with TM it is likely Armitage was Miller's first source and perhaps she and Fitz shared an onjective--keeping that from the grand jury--when he at long last agreed not to ask her about other sources but Libby as her get out of jail pass.

Oh, he did slip something in contra that agreement when he asked her about other references in her notes, but he let her I forget answer slip by apparently, and never seemed to even notice Wilson's phone number in her book.

Scenario:

Miller:I'll testify only if youonly ask about Libby.
Fiz: Absolutely. I won't ask about anyone else. And if I do accidently touch on that, I won't follow up at all.

And, yes, Jane , every other post I have to type in my name and addy. URGH

boris

The President is responsible for clearing up a 100% press generated farce?

He should sign an executive order banning BDS. Yeah that would work.

RichatUF

from clarice’s OT post:


BIDEN: Better than anybody else. You don't know my state. My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state has the eighth-largest black population in the country. My state is anything from a Northeast liberal state."

Didn’t he forget to mention that he likes fried chicken and greens, that Delaware has a NASCAR race, and that he (until this gem hits the wires) has black friends…Sen. Biden a real southerner—“My state was a slave state”—Congressional Black Caucus in 5,4,3,2,1…

Still working through the thread—how does everyone read it so quickly and with such great commentary (sucking up…)

L'Affair Plame-its like a car wreck-you just know those two cars are going to hit

RichatUF


Don

Noah-you're a moron; Clarice I believe you're misinformed.

Comey early stated Fitzgerald's investigation are governed by the appropriate CFR regulations:

Section 28 600.8 (c) reads: "At the conclusion of the Special Counsel's work, he or she shall provide the Attorney General with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel."

Now you're saying Comey may have exempted Fitzgerald from these regulations-well how did that that happened? Who delegated that authority to Comey? Gonzalez? Under what authority did Gonzalez wash his hands of the whole thing? Did President Bush specifically order it?

if you got the details-let's hear them.

I'm with Byron York- the questions about the actual investigation are juicier than the results.

Don

Thanks Sara Squiggler.

I dont know why they hate me either. I think Fitzgerald is out of control!

But when an out of control dog is loose in the park I blame the owner.

boris

Comey's authority was amplified when Ashcroft recused himself. You just made a fool of yourself.

boris

I think Sara might be starting to understand why many here think Don is a fool.

Fenrisulven

/love your writing style Clarice.

McCain starts shunning Armitage or suffers for it, and once he does, everyone does. Toast.

I wonder if Armitage understands the concept of a blog swarm and what it would do to his career ...I'll bet McCain does.

How can a campaign have an effective internet outreach when the grass-roots despises someone on the staff? Within a week, every conservative pundit on the net and radio will have heard about this.

Rick Ballard

Comey's letter of appointment of Fitz on December 30, 2003 states:

"I direct you to exercise that authority as Special Counsel independent of the supervision or control of any officer of the Department."

which he further amplified on February 6, 2004:

"Further, my conferral on you of the title of "Special Counsel" in this matter should not be misunderstood to suggest that your position and authorities are defined and limited by 28 CFR Part 600."

And so, PROSECUTOR UNBOUND was created.

Don,

I'd suggest that you read up before posting here if I thought it would make any difference.

jerry

Thanks Clarice, what was old is new again? I'm going to have to re-read all the old articles and reboot.

Cecile. I'd say there's a big difference between the Armitage leak (which is bad in a formal way, though I read it goes on all the time) and the Rove/Libby leaks - a deliberate and coordinated strategy by WH officials to, at least, put multiple reporters onto investigating Plame's job. Their edgy behavior then, and difficulties with Fitzgerald later, tell me they well knew that they were skirting the law.

I don't get the people who criticize speculation, that's what we're all doing here, it's unavoidable as the topics are mostly all secret.

Clarice

It is not I who is misinformed. I have read everything about the appointment and its terms, well set out BTW in Libby's motion to dismiss and except for a claim that Comey was to learn about the case from the press and that they had an unwritten , unexpressed sense of the boundaries of the appointment (the esp theory of supervisory control), in this particular appointment no one at DoJ was to get any information about the proceedings.

In fact, Libby noted that when Fitz made his outrageous statements in the presser, had this been a statutory appointment rather than an extra-statutory one, he could have sought redress but could not under the Comey-Fitz fix.

windansea

here you go Don

The attorney general, in an abundance of caution, believed that his recusal was appropriate based on the totality of the circumstances and the facts and evidence developed at this stage of the investigation. I agree with that judgment. And I also agree that he made it at the appropriate time, the appropriate point in this investigation.

I have today delegated to Mr. Fitzgerald all the approval authorities that will be necessary to ensure that he has the tools to conduct a completely independent investigation; that is, that he has the power and authority to make whatever prosecutive judgments he believes are appropriate, without having to come back to me or anybody else at the Justice Department for approvals. Mr. Fitzgerald alone will decide how to staff this matter, how to continue the investigation and what prosecutive decisions to make. I expect that he will only consult with me or with Assistant Attorney General Ray, should he need additional resources or support

Comey presser

please, no whining about why Ashcroft recused himself...if we have to explain that again you are either naive or a mole

kate

Ah, so the "edgy" behavior of Rove/Libby confirms they were skirting the law. You just feel it. What law is that. Thou shalt not criticize the liar Joe Wilson.

When is "I heard that too" a coordinated attack. I am so sick of this nonsense.

Fitzgerald was set on Rove/Libby by the FBI. The media and Democrats coordinated on this scam. I can tell by their edgy behavior...oh, never mind.

Sara (Squiggler)

Re: blogswarm suggestion ... In the GOP straw polls, McCain polls lousy, even Gingrich scores higher. He is another media darling, but the Republcan base, for the most part, thinks he is a two-faced snake. His latest comments prove it too. Giuliani polls the highest, but I'd rather see him as Attorney General, Head of Homeland Security or the National Intelligence Czar than President. I'm supporting Romney, who is the smartest guy around, has great presence in front of large groups and the camera, is a hunk, and, unfortunately is the Governor of the State of the Kiss of Death.

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