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lurker

I came across this at one of the blogsites but I don't remember which.

We need to know who placed the secret hold on this.

Heading over to Captain's Quarters to see if he or Heritage had a thing to say about this.

Tis no wonder my brother likes Coburn.

lurker

And to complicate this, check this!!

jerry

My bet is Senator Bridge to Nowhere.

clarice

Heck, why all the mystery? Let the word out it's classified information because it will reveal means and methods to the enemy and the answer will be on the front pages of the NYT and Wa Po within 24 hours.

Sue

Trent Lott.

Sue

Actually, my bet is on a democrat. Othewise, it would have already been leaked.

Aaron Adams

jerry is right. Although Byrd may hold the lifetime achievment award due to his longevity , the true and current reigning King is without question Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK):

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2005

topsecretk9

Actually, my bet is on a democrat. Othewise, it would have already been leaked.

Sue makes an excellent point!

AMDG

Lott

Larry Jones

It has to be Ted Stevens.

MayBee

Stabenow.
Running for reelection.
Can't count on the governor's coattails.
Levin isn't saying anything, so that gives her cover.
Pretty unremarkable Senator, may need the earmarks to distinguish herself.
Terrible fashion sense.

Rick Ballard

MayBee,

Good choice, I would toss in Sarbanes on a 'nothing to lose' basis. What might be gained is, of course, subject to speculation.

MayBee

If it can't be Stabenow, I would lean toward a Gulf Coast Senator (Lott?). You know, in case $77 Bil just isn't enough.

sam

At long last, have you no shame.

08/28/06 NPR: Spike in Violence Shatters Calm in Iraq

08/28/06 DoD Identifies Army Casualty
Spc. Edgardo Zayas, 29

08/28/06 DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
Cpl. David G. Weimortz, 28

08/28/06 AP: Guardsman dies of accident injuries

08/28/06 NYTimes: Group of Iraqi Soldiers Refuses to Go to Baghdad

08/28/06 VOI: Mortars hit U.S. consulate in Hilla

08/28/06 Reuters: Toll from Baghdad suicide bomb hits 13

08/28/06 Centcom: 4 MND-B SOLDIERS KILLED BY ROADSIDE BOMB

08/28/06 AP: Roadside bomb kills 1 barbershop worker, wounds 4

08/28/06 Reuters: Roadside bomb policeman in Baghdad

08/28/06 Reuters: Four bodies found in Baghdad

08/28/06 Reuters: 25 Iraqi soldiers killed in Diwaniya

08/28/06 Centcom: MND-B SOLDIER KILLED BY SMALL-ARMS FIRE

08/28/06 Reuters: Four policemen killed in Mosul

08/28/06 AFP: Southern Iraq security deteriorating despite British troops

08/28/06 WaPo: 7 Iraqi civilians killed in battle between US forces and insurgents

08/28/06 WaPo: Violent attacks surge north of Iraq's capital

08/28/06 Xinhua: 2 car bombs rock S Baghdad neighborhood, killing 5

08/28/06 AFP: Suicide bomber hits Iraqi ministry amid insurgent blitz

08/28/06 AP: 4 U.S. soldiers killed by bomb in Iraq

topsecretk9

Ace has a commenter that pegs Dodd

heir saying both Connecticut senators have been put on the "didn't do it" list. Here's a couple paragraphs from the TheDay.com. Lieberman press secretary Casey Aden-Wansbury says the senator did not block the bill he'd voted for in committee, and doesn't know who did.

And Colleen Flanagan, Dodd's press secretary, sounded a similar tune: "to the best of our knowledge," she wrote in an email, referring to other Dodd aides, "it was not Senator Dodd."

If it comes out that all senators deny it, I'd suspect Dodd, based on the secretary prefacing the denial with "to the best of our knowledge". Dodd hasn't really denied it.

If he had actually denied it, she wouldn't need the qualifing preface. Since it's a secret he couldn't tell her if he did put the hold. If she actually spoke with him about it, he must have given an ambiguous answer.

BTW if need to see how depraved Sam and the Democratic party is http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2477241&mesg_id=2477241”>They are thrilled with Galloway praising Hizbollah ...they LOVE the terrorists!

Abu Al-Poopypants


I don't see how it could be Stevens. I've looked all over the series of tubes and couldn't find anything. Maybe I'll sent his office an internet, and if it doesn't get tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially, I'll get an answer.

eric

Interesting. This could be an issue that both left and right agree on. It sure stinks a lot.

I don't think it could be Trent Lott, though. Isn't he busy putting the final coat of paint on his porch for the party this weekend? It's a pretty big deal, Bush has been talking about going for a year.

Daddy

TM, I am convinced that the name of the culprit you seek is on a secret list in Lawrence O'Donnell's pocket.

Brett Bellmore

I'm betting that it's actually Frist. (Or maybe Reid, but there other reasons to think Frist.) He walked into the bathroom, made sure nobody was around, and privately asked himself to put a secret hold on the legislation.

Result: He gets to block legislation he doesn't really want, but can't afford to admit to opposing, by blaming somebody he conveniently can't name. And he doesn't have the slightest worry about the guilty Senator being exposed, and forced to back down, because literally nobody but him knows who that Senator is.

And it explains why he doesn't seem the least bit tempted to just ignore this "courtesy", which he is perfectly capable of doing if he wants to, if I understand the situation.

Is there something about the mechanics of a "secret hold" that would preclude this?

Jane

My money is on Stevens first, and Byrd second. But I'm secretly wishing it is Ted Kennedy - altho it's not like that would make a difference to the voters of MA.

ed in texas

That's not a secret hold,
that's the 'Robert Byrd Memorial Speedbump'.

Michael

Why are we only looking for the senator who actually placed the hold? He/she obviously had to make the request to at least one other senator (perhaps even a committee as a whole). We should be ratcheting up the pressure on those people as well. I don't give a crap that it's "secret". The people who know the secret and are keeping it are aiding and abetting.

So, what other senators are likely to know who the secret senator is?

lurker

Topsecret, don't forget that Noam shook hands with Nasrallah a few months before the recent war.

Actually, both parties have their share of earmarks and pork programs. That's why many people are unhappy with the Republicans, including me.

But I'm still voting Republican.

Why?

1. To prevent the impeachment process from starting. This will take time away from winning GWOT.

2. Supreme Court Nominees.

3. Fair and equitable tax cuts.

4. Maybe hope for the fair tax program.

Steve

Lott....he's been pissed ever since flapping his gums about Strom got his ass in trouble. Arrogant, pompous, self-serving....the ideal candidate for putting the hold on it.

MikeT

Normally I am not one to advocate a witch hunt or anything like that, but in this case, I have to make an exception. If and when this Senator is found out, it will be time for the public to pull out all of the stops. Bring in the PIs, dig up all the dirt possible and dump it on them in criminal and civil court. Make what Larry Flynt did to the Republicans during Clinton's impeachment look like a walk in the park by the time this Senator has been put through "the process."

JM Hanes

According to the Muckrackers tally, Saxby Chambliss is the only Senator who has refused outright to answer the question. Of course, if he's not the secret holder, that may change assuming the undesignated list gets whittled down to a very few. Hope the effort to establish who dunnit doesn't languish if the hold gets lifted.

There are the usual suspects, of course, but it could be anybody who's managed to get funding for something patently outrageous or of obvious personal benefit -- even if the amount is relatively small in the grand scheme of things. I'd go with the personal angle, because, like the bridge-to-nowhere, the Senators seem incapable of embarassment over the outlandish, as it were.

Florence Schmieg

Put this into the wrong (Karr) forum. Sorry.

Was thinking about the total waste of the stupid Plame investigation. How much did this distraction at the White House impact the Katrina response? Rove for sure was impacted, maybe others. Talk about unintended consequences of BDS!!

lurker

As for Katrina, I put the blame mostly on Nagin and that stupid state governor....Blanco.

As for the BDSers putting the blame on Bush, they had better start putting the blame on the previous hurricanes! Did you know that Pensacola is still reeling and recovering from its hurricane hits from two years ago. No, Pensacola hasn't rebuilt everything. No, Pensacola hasn't cleaned everything up.

And what about Rita? Where's the decry over that?

Give UP on Katrina!

I see Captain Quarters narrowing down to Ted Stevens, Trent Lott, and Byrd.

lurker

Problem with Katrina started long before Bush became our president.

one of the failed levies was not overtopped

"Paul at Wizbang has damning and clear evidence that one of the failed levies was not overtopped, as the media has claimed, but simply failed. It failed under conditions where the water was nowhere near the top of the levies. It failed because the levee was of a flawed design. This is not Bush’s fault, but does prove his concern about an early evacuation was warranted and how he was one of the few political leaders trying to do the right thing that day (not the least expensive). Good detective work Paul!"

Corp of Army Engineers had wanted to beef up these levies but were countered with lawsuits from environmentalists. The Corp ended up spending the budget allocated for levy repair on these frivolous lawsuits.

lurker

To counter spamming sam news, here's one positive for Bush:

Another Positive Sign For Bush

Gas price has gone down to about $2.65 where I live.

Here is our leftwingers will object:

Interesting Plea From DHS

Rumsfeld Fears Success Of Terrorist Propaganda Winning the war in Iraq but losing it in USA.

Nasrallah's Blunder

Let's hope he continues to lose. He is no longer safe in public places, btw.

Michael

Topsecret,

I just called Dodd's office, and the best I could get was "he has not made a statement at this time and has not current plans to".

I'm guessing he is close to this (either he placed the hold or knows/is allied with the one who did).

Keep the pressure on!

blogRot

I think its a Republican, based on the response from Sen Kay Bailey's (R-TX) office.

And gas prices in my (red)neck of the woods are @ $2.57

Crust

Looks like it's not Byrd, at least according to Porkbusters. http://porkbusters.org/secrethold.php
Ted Stevens is still available; it looks more and more like he must be the Senator in the window.

JM Hanes

Amazing. According to the Mucksters there are only
11 choices left:

Bond, Christopher S.- (R - MO)
Byrd, Robert C.- (D - WV)
Carper, Thomas R.- (D - DE)*
Chambliss, Saxby- (R - GA)*
Crapo, Mike- (R - ID)
Gregg, Judd- (R - NH)
Hatch, Orrin G.- (R - UT)
Reid, Harry- (D - NV)*
Rockefeller, John D., IV- (D - WV)
Sarbanes, Paul S.- (D - MD)
Stevens, Ted- (R - AK)

I'd go for Rockefeller or Hatch just to be contrary.

Michael

Given Bill Frist's blog post applauding and encouraging the blogosphere led inquiry into the identity of the Senator, I think it is more likely that the Senator is Democratic than Republican. Since a Senator placing a hold contacts their majority/minority leader based on their party, if it were a Republican, then Frist would know who it was already. Why would he be encouraging an inquiry which will only dammage his own party in November. Not to mention, that if it *is* a Republican and he did know about it, the post is going to make him look pretty foolish. Now, I don't agree with Frist on many things, but I *do* think he is far from foolish.

jerry

It's down to six according to the Muckies:

Sens. Robert Byrd (D-WV), Mike Crapo (R-ID), Judd Gregg (R-NH), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Ted Stevens (R-AK), and Robert Bennett (R-UT).


Stevens! Stevens! Stevens! ?

JM Hanes

Well the only Democrat left is Rbt Byrd. Considering the fact that Judd Gregg was first elected in 1992, and yet I had to look him up because I've never heard of him, maybe he's one of the folks who prefer working behind the curtain! OTOH, he apparently won $835,000 in the Powerball lottery, so he's not exactly needy. OTOtherOH, you could call that taking gambling money, no?

I see Senator Chambliss thought better of trying to sit this one out, and Rockefeller has passed go too -- keeping an even lower low profile than I suspected. Byrd & Stevens just seem so, well, predictable. I've really sort of been hoping for a surprise.

On the bright side, maybe they'll all say no, and we can spend the next couple of years trying to put a name to that mystery....

Sue

This is the most bullshit thing I have ever heard. They leak national security secrets like sieves and keep this one secret? Since when did we become a secret government? This is bullshit. The senator, republican or democrat, needs to be identified and the stupid rule needs to be abolished. We have every right to know what our money is being spent on and we have every right to know who doesn't want us to know.

jerry

Both Hatch and Bennet, good Utah solidarity there... might mean something. I'm still with Stevens, he was so d****ed determined about that bridge, and so vindictive toward Durbin afterwards.

JM Hanes

Down to three:

Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Ted Stevens (R-AK)

jerry

Judd Gregg?? That would be a surprise for me. Stealth-Senator Gregg, Ninja Judd.

jerry

It's Stevens:

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001445.php


I am the wiener!

Aaron Adams

Me Too!

JM Hanes

Weiner? Say it ain't so Jerry! Luckily, it's not:

Via Instapundit, Mark Tapscott reports that Coburn staff have just learned that "a Democrat senator has placed an anonymous hold on the bill." Do you suppose the Democrat stepped up to bat when it became clear that Stevens was going down -- in the hope that the blogosphere wouldn't have the energy to repeat the outing exercise?

Interesting that this time Frist's office was willing to specify a Democrat. File that tidbit away for future field trips, if any, on such matters.

jerry

That's "wiener" JM, and I am one, I'm told. :-)

If there's a Democrat it's got to be Byrd, one eye always looking backward... in the saucer where the spilt milk cools (or however it is that the Senate is described), and a giant raspberry to the bloggers/future.

Congrats also out to Aaron, and other fellow wieners!

JM Hanes

Well, seeing as it turned out to be Stevens on the R-side, you're probably right about the D- Byrd. Since he doesn't seem embarassed about bringing home bacon either, perhaps he would see reiterating the gesture as collegial & gallant. It looks like Stevens' hold was meant as payback for Coburn's attempt to stymie the Bridge to Nowhere -- which makes sense. He's not hiding $$, just viciousness.

I do find it hard to give up the image of some guy(gal) thinking he was home free, and then Oh No, here come da blogosphere! What to do? Wait till someone calls so you can issue your denial, then hie thee to the leader's office. Why waste such a nifty theory?

Or maybe -- you'll like this one! -- there's a whole conspiracy of holders prepared to outlast the blogosphere by stepping up to bat one at a time, short straws (or secure incumbents) first, or alternating from one side of the aisle to the other or....

Capt.Ed has been interviewing Bill Frist (more here and here if you're interested) who almost makes such holds sound reasonable and then in the next breath says: "Typically they don’t put a hold on because they don’t like the bill – it’s because they don’t like something else someone’s doing. It’s petty politics."

JM Hanes

Classic denouement: Both Stevens and Byrd put holds on the bill!

jerry

Damn them all, maybe we can arrange a duel - sounds like they're both pining for a shoot out with someone...

Stevens v. Coburn (Durbin?)
Byrd v. Obama

?

jerry

Byrd's dropped his (no longer secret) hold:

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001452.php


Looks like it's Stealthy Stevens v. Courageous Coburn now... the wily Stevens crouches in the brush as a powerful and vigorous Coburn strides the land....

JM Hanes

LOL! OK Shootout at the AL corral. I like it!

jerry

Hahaha.... It must be great to get these guys in the same room, some great movies/shows remain to be made. Thanks for the nice dialog JM.

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