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Lew Clark

The Times telling Fitz to "Put up or shut up" can be viewed two ways. A call for Fitz to drop the whole thing if he has nothing, or (more typical of the NYT) "Dammit Fitz, our side has an election coming up and we need your help. Accuse, indict, do pressers. It doesn't have to be based on fact. Make it the standard October Surprise, then we say never mind in December, after we gain control of congress."

Other Tom

A once-proud institution, now in way over its head and floundering. The cataclysmic tenure of the Pinch-Raines-Keller bunch will be the stuff of bemused post-mortems fifty years from now, no doubt published in a popular medium now beyond the imagination of anyone at the Times. Having hated the dishonest bastards at this rag for the forty-odd years of my adult life, I celebrate their disgraceful decline in a most unsportsmanlike manner. God damn them, and bad luck to them.

clarice

Or they are embarrassed by their role in this and just want the whole damned thing to go away so they can start a new mediagenic scandal.

ordi

Or is this their way of asking their source to send more info on the investigation. They may be paranoid/afraid to contact their source without leaving a traceable trail. ;)

capitano
Or they are embarrassed by their role in this and just want the whole damned thing to go away so they can start a new mediagenic scandal.

Martha Burke clears her calendar for the next 6 months.

Sue

The "second, unknown source"?

The only thing I could think of was the article Novak wrote that said a confidential source at CIA told him Valerie Plame was an analyst. I think it was in the 2nd article he wrote, where he said Armitage was no political gunslinger. I'll go look...

JM Hanes

Sheesh. First Johnston has Libby "commisioning" the INR memo and now they've got Cheney behesting it. They. Just. Can't. Learn.

JM Hanes

Oh, and while they're waiting for Fitzgerald, there's a long list of questions they could be answering themselves.

patch

Didn't Grossman change Valerie's last name in the memo from Wilson to Plame?...or am I thinking about something else?

Cecil Turner

No, the memo was prepared at the request of Marc Grossman of State in response to questions from Libby (and by extension, Cheney);


Regardless, it ought to be obvious from reading it that the subject is not "Valerie Plame," but the more generic Wilson/Niger. Which "muddies" any suggestion the question was a nefarious attempt to generate a known response.

Sue

However, an unofficial source at the Agency says she has been an analyst, not in covert operations.

Well, it doesn't read like I thought I remembered it. What does 'unofficial source' mean?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2003/10/01/the_cia_leak>Novak

Tom Maguire

The only thing I could think of was the article Novak wrote that said a confidential source at CIA told him Valerie Plame was an analyst.

Interesting idea, but... per Novak's tell All column, Fitzgerald only grilled him about three Plame related chats, all from before July 14 - Harlow (CIA press flack), Rove, and a source to be named later (now "known" to be Armitage).

That suggests that the unofficial source for the Oct 1 column talked to Novak post July 14 (or at least, kept his role concealed through the investigation.)

So how did Fitzgerald get troubling info about this person, and how did the Times become aware of it?

Sara (Squiggler)

Well the editors are insane, that's a given, but the fact remains it is way past time for Fitz to sh!t or get off the pot. So, does anyone know what is going on with him or with the Libby court case? When are they due back in court? What motions are due? What do the current revelations do to to or for the Libby defense? Lots of questions ... when will we see some action?

Tom Maguire

while they're waiting for Fitzgerald, there's a long list of questions they could be answering themselves.

I love that. Off the top of my head I can think of three:

1. How did the Times fail to disclose, as part of the July 6 Wilson op-ed, that Wilson was working for the Kerry campaign and had changed the "debunked the forgery" story reported by Nick Kristof? Wouldn't that have been valuable to readers attempting to assesshis credibility?

2. In all their fulminating about investigating the leak, did the Times ever grill Nick Kristof as to whether Wilson or his wife spilled the beans to Nick?

Seeing as how we are talking about both a criminal and civil suit, doesn't the public have a right to a bit of a hint as to just how deep the BS is running here? (This strikes a tthe core of their "Protect our sources" religion, but I'll ask anyway)

3. Why did Times editors lie about just what it was Judy Miller was protecting when she went to jail? I am short on links, but the Times kept pretending she was protecting the *identity* of her source, which was not so.

Sue

I didn't say it was an airtight idea. ::grin::

Or his investigators may have learned something troubling about the second, unknown, source cited in Mr. Novak’s column

Okay. Reading it as the 2nd unknown source cited in Mr. Novak's column (the 1st one, I assume) they are referring to Rove. Who was technically the 2nd unknown source in Novak's column when it was written. Sloppy writing on their part?

Sue

Dagnab it!

Sue

pretending she was protecting the *identity* of her source

So why did she sit in jail until Fitzgerald allowed her to only testify about Libby? Maybe she was protecting the identity of her source. And it wasn't Libby.

clarice

Tom M, she contuned to refuse to testify, if you recall, until Fitz promised not to ask her about other sources.
Her notes indicate she had other sources and apparently so testified.
OTOH (a) she said she didn't recall them when Fitz surprised her by reneging on his pledge and she had no counsel present to object; and(b) Judge Walton who examined the Times documents indicate they contain material which may impeach her depending on how she testifies at trial.

Perhaps those other notes indicate those other sources.

clarice

**CONTINUED*******

Javani

Remaining questions needed to be answered -

1. Who set up Josh Marshall with Rocco Martino and was this part of a French intel operation?

2. If Karl Rove is such a smart operative, why didn't he have the smarts to attach the tag "Kerry campaign advisor" to Wilson's name in every Republican comment about the case once that role became known?

Sue

I have a great idea. The NYTs could explain how they came to believe what Wilson was telling them. They surely didn't use him as a single source for his story. Who vouched for him?

Javani

Clarice writes:

""OTOH (a) she said she didn't recall them when Fitz surprised her by reneging on his pledge and she had no counsel present to object;...""

IMO there are two storylines about the journalists that have been not covered as they deserve:

1. The lame excuses they leaked about the type and amount of waivers Miller and Cooper leaked they needed, creating the impression that the difficulty was with Rove and Libby, and heightening the case's intrigue. Turns out they were negotiating to not spill the beans on others than Rove and Libby.

2. Novak's admission that two sources told him not to print about Mrs. Wilson - but he did so anyway.

""...and(b) Judge Walton who examined the Times documents indicate they contain material which may impeach her depending on how she testifies at trial."

Pretty sures that's Cooper and Time, not Miller and Times.

kate

Oh, goodness. This is over. Is the grand jury even meeting on this still, it Fitz still in DC or back in Chicago. He's probably just let open for anything new until Libby's trial. Plus if he ends it now he'll have an army of angry moonbats after him.

Syl

Tom M, she contuned to refuse to testify, if you recall, until Fitz promised not to ask her about other sources.

Yes, she got assurance she would only be asked about Libby, but she also got a personal waiver from him which I think was more significant.

Miller wasn't protecting the identity of the source, that was known. (Libby)

She was protecting the contents of their conversation.

Yet it turned out she didn't even remember that conversation. :)

And wasn't even sure of the meaning of the stuff in her notes of the conversation. :)

Neo

I thought we established some time back that Fitzgerald was being supervised by Public Domain so I guess we should assume that AG Gonzalez already has the answer as to the status of Fitzgerald's investigation via these pieces in the Times and Post.

clarice

Javani, I correvtly described the Judge's ruling respecting Miller. The situation re Cooper is worse for the prosecution. The judge said of the documents in Times' possession, that they make Cooper's testimony no matter how he testifies at trial.

Patton

The Times forgot one main point about Fitzs investigation.

He has NOT found a single crime committed regarding this incident. With all the hype, NOT ONE CRIME.

Armitage was telling everyone who would listen about Plame and Wilson was bragging about being a CIA operative all over town...BUT NO CRIMES.

clarice

Syl,Judy was blindsided by Fitz. He asked her about a conversation EARLIER than the one he'd been focusing on ..Remember she didn't even have those notes with her at the gj so she obviously hadn't reviewed them before testifying and he asked her about other sources when he had promised her he would not.

Yes, the dance about the waiver from Libby was particularly revolting though.

clarice

******The judge said of the documents in Times' possession, that they make Cooper's testimony IMPEACHABLE no matter how he testifies at trial**********

Tom Maguire

Maybe she was protecting the identity of her source. And it wasn't Libby.

Good point - get me rewrite.

Neo

Please indulge me for a momemnt ..

wasn't there a personal connection between Joe Wilson and this Marc Grossman guy at State ?

Sue

Neo,

Fitz does seem to keep stepping in it, doesn't he? ::grin::

clarice

TomM, I have a permanent claim on rewrite. Sorry.

Mister Snitch!

Look, it's not as if the Times hasn't always been upfront regarding where it's coming from. See right there? "All the news that fits, we print." It's not their fault if you thought that meant news that fit in the available SPACE.

lurker

Yes, they were long-time friends, Neo.

Sara (Squiggler)

You gotta love Coulter:

Point No. 2, that Wilson's wife was an undercover agent, has been proved false even to the willfully blind since Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald announced the conclusion to his pointless investigation last year, saying that Plame's employment with the CIA was not undercover, but merely "classified."

Everything is "classified" at the CIA. They have no idea when 19 terrorists are about to hijack commercial aircraft and slaughter 3,000 Americans, but the CIA is very good at play-acting James Bond spy games.

How covert was Valerie Plame at the CIA? Her top-secret code name was "Valerie Plame."

From: Human Events Online "The End of an Error"

Neo

Thanx lurker.

So the guy who seems to be the pivotal character at State in regard to the Plamegate fiasco is a long time friend of Mr. Plame.

Pigs will fly.

Sara (Squiggler)

LOL. More from Coulter:

Thus, as recently as January of this year, a New York Times editorial said the issue of the "leak" about Wilson's wife, whom the Times called "a covert CIA operative whose identity was leaked" (two strikes already), concerned "whether the White House was using this information in an attempt to silence Mrs. Wilson's husband, a critic of the Iraq invasion."

Wilson was more precise about the White House "leaker," variously naming Karl Rove, Lewis Libby and Dick Cheney as the source. He even described "a meeting in the suite of offices that the vice president occupies, chaired by either the vice president or Mr. Libby," where, Wilson said, the decision was made to destroy him.

(If the secret plan hatched in the vice president's office was to send evil spirits to enter Wilson's body and make him act like a fool, the plan worked brilliantly.)

LOL.

Javani

Thanks Clarice. I didn't know there were such rulings on both of them, I recalled only Cooper's.

Sue

(If the secret plan hatched in the vice president's office was to send evil spirits to enter Wilson's body and make him act like a fool, the plan worked brilliantly.)

I knew it. I knew it all along. Cheney is the one in charge of the Super Duper Mind Ray Machine and Rove is only allowed to use it with permission.

Sue

(If the secret plan hatched in the vice president's office was to send evil spirits to enter Wilson's body and make him act like a fool, the plan worked brilliantly.)

I knew it. I knew it all along. Cheney is the one in charge of the Super Duper Mind Ray Machine and Rove is only allowed to use it with permission.

Sue

Now that is just plain weird. My post went through while it was making me type in a super duper secret code word.

Cheney strikes again...

maryrose

"Maybe she was protecting the identity of her source and it wasn't Libby"
Very intriguing indeed!
Kate:
I agree the fat lady is singing and this case is over. However the BMOC Fitz has requested a closed private conference on what documents can be used in the Libby trial. He is afraid to reveal classified info publicly.

clarice

I'm trying to recall something. When documentation was made public respecting the sealed pleadings Fitz made to the Miller court, some remained classified, didn't they? If so , it is possible he disclosed Armitage's confession. If not, it is certain he didn't.

Does anyone recall?

Other Tom

To pick up on one of Coulter's points, I have always said (taking my cue from Dr. Johnson or Churchill or someone) that the only prayer I have ever offered up to the Almighty is that my adversary be made to appear ridiculous. Finally, in the case of the whey-faced buffoon Wilson, my prayer has been answered. Hallelujah and Excelsior!

Michael Tinkler

I *love* the formulation "White House outsider".

kate

maryrose-maybe Fitz is too embarrassed to show his face in public. Ole Fitz is getting a little camera shy suddenly.

MayBee

Here's what the NYTs really is saying:

If you aren't going to oust the Imperial President from Office, step down so we can call for the next Special Prosecutor!

Thomas Morrissey

Other Tom

A variant on that theme, "those that the gods would destroy, they first make mad."

Ancient Greeks,but it fits,especially with all this "hubris" floating around.

topsecretk9

I told you Grossman took a page from Wilson's playbook and INR was at the behest of Cheney...

lurker

"I agree the fat lady is singing and this case is over. However the BMOC Fitz has requested a closed private conference on what documents can be used in the Libby trial. He is afraid to reveal classified info publicly."

Is this recent status?

jerry

My favorite part of the editorial:

"The (Armitage) revelation tells us something important. But, unfortunately, it is not the answer to the central question in the investigation — whether there was an organized attempt by the White House to use Mrs. Wilson to discredit or punish her husband, Joseph Wilson. "

Is an "organized" act more palatable than a conspiracy?? Sort of like the sound of conspiracy, personally.

Javani

Clarice writes:

"Does anyone recall?"

Not me.

You're the expert: Tell me if my prediction of the case feels right-

The prosecution will argue that Libby lied in his recollections of conversations made 4-8 months previous by relying on the 2 year old memories of those same conversations of Miller and Cooper.

The prosecution will argue that Miller's two-year old recollection of a conversation should be trusted more than Libby's despite the fact she can't remember who told her "Valerie Flame" a few weeks before that name became famous.

The prosecution will argue that Cooper's two-year old recollection should be trusted more than Libby's despite the fact in a similar conversation with Karl Rove Cooper testified welfare reform was not discussed, he later sees notes that he indeed was working on the subject around that time, and Rove has a contemporaneous e-mail stating Cooper initiated the call on welfare reform.

And as for Russert, the prosecution is going to win on that rambling block of Libby testimony excerpted in the complaint from his angry call to Russert and we have Russert not stating clearly that Joe's wife was not discussed? And Libby is pinning the story on a journalist he is not friendly with?

What a waste.

Other Tom

"..whether there was an organized attempt by the White House to use Mrs. Wilson to discredit or punish her husband, Joseph Wilson."

Hell, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Who's to say there wasn't an organized attempt to make bats fly out of Pinch Sulzberger's ass? By all means, Mr. Fitzgerald, press on!

Pofarmer

Funny jerry

Unfortunately the Armitage "revelation" tells us everything we need to know. Mostly "everybody knew it" via Andrea Mitchell, and there was no OVP smear operation, because, well, nobody can find one hint of a clue that one existed.

Did they want to answer the Wilson lie/smear campaign? Obviously.

clarice

Pretty much it, give or take a bit more.
And remember it has to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt.And bafflegab v, bafflegab doesn't seem the path to victory under that test.

clarice

Well, OT, bats are flying out of Pinch's ass,so what's your point? %^)

Tom Maguire

When documentation was made public respecting the sealed pleadings Fitz made to the Miller court, some remained classified, didn't they? If so , it is possible he disclosed Armitage's confession. If not, it is certain he didn't.

That is making me think of the famous eight redacted pages from the Tatel (and two others) opinion that eventually landed Judy Miller in jail.

IIRC, it was eight pages of secret grand jury testimony, but not all ws released.

The redactions are put in beginnng at p. 72 of this 80 page .pdf.

Hmmph - this is coming from the judge:

What’s more, because the charges contemplated here relate to false denials of responsibility for Plame’s exposure, prosecuting perjury or false statements would be tantamount to punishing the leak.

Yes - punishing the leak which does not (based on the available evidence) actually break the law (i.e., the IIPA).

JJ

Great post.

"Or his investigators may have learned something troubling about the second, unknown, source cited in Mr. Novak’s column..."

Thanks for mention and challenge on the above quote. For a moment there, I felt like I dropped down a deep-space wormhole.

A new second source? Good grief.

topsecretk9

Broder slaps the media and gives them some advice, which is wierd they need to be reminded, I thought this was Journolism 101 (Mr. Rosen?)

"These and other publications owe Karl Rove an apology. And all of journalism needs to relearn the lesson: Can the conspiracy theories and stick to the facts."

Facts, Jackson.


Lew Clark

If I were I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby and every news outlet was saying this was all over, a waste of time, and we can go onto other, more important things, I'd have a screaming fit. Since he is still under indictment, a trial has been set, and if convicted, he goes to jail.

This isn't over until the indictment is dropped.

I think we need to paint signs and light candles.

FREE SCOOTER!

clarice

I agree, Lew.

topsecretk9

I know I am a lone soldier (been before), but like a blurb said many months ago...there was no worry about Rove being indicted because Libby's team had done a good job of getting the unknown facts out there, the stuff Fitz or the FBI didn't know, want to know, or were mislead about....(DWILKERS and Herbie, where are you?) ...I think part 2 of the investigation commenced after a certain filing and a Judges ruling.

clarice

Here's what I wrote Broder:

The Washington Post which waited 2 and 1/2 years to correct Pincus' story pimping Wilson's lies and the New York Times behaved at least as badly as the publications you referenced. As for your criticism of Libby's behavior--you add insult to injury for if you'd studied the case as deeply as I have you'd realize it is no more solidly grounded than Fitzgerald's investigation and no more fair than the media's coverage of the case.

The smart money thinks so, too.

http://data.tradesports.com/graphing/closingChart.png?contractId=303938&chartSize=S

As for the apology to Rove, that is a nice first step. But Libby and the President deserve them, too. The media megaphoned Ambassador Munchausen's easily proven false fairytale as if it were true at a critical moment in history undercutting for fun or politics the trust the people need to have in their leader during war.

Your readers are not as stupid as you think we are. Which is why in increasing numbers we no longer subscribe to your papers or pay any attention to what you report.Rather and his TANG memo scandal, the Koran flushing story, the Jenin Massacre, the Qana massacre, etc., etc. are fresh in our minds and the Post's and NYT's backstroking will not make us easily forget this latest journalistic outrage.

Mister Snitch!

Clarice, what we need is some sort of petition-site so a large number of people can 'sign' a letter similar to yours.

Brian

What can you do? Some leftist dopes are ahead of the news cycle, and some are behind it. None of them are where they should be.

topsecretk9

In the meantime Calrice,....Time for Answers From the Times.


...Keep in mind that the story broke on Saturday, Aug. 27, The Washington Post and the Chicago Tribune editorialized on the matter on Sept. 1, five days later, the Los Angeles Times ran its editorial on Tuesday, and on Wednesday, the New York Times finally weighed in. Were the Times' editorial writers doing extensive research and crafting a masterful editorial? Nope.

In its editorial titled "Time for Answers," after identifying Valerie Plame as a "covert C.I.A. agent" the Times writes: "The revelation tells us something important. But, unfortunately, it is not the answer to the central question in the investigation -- whether there was an organized attempt by the White House to use Mrs. Wilson to discredit or punish her husband, Joseph Wilson. A former diplomat, Mr. Wilson debunked the claim that Saddam Hussein tried to buy uranium from Niger to make nuclear weapons."

Yes, it's time for answers -- from the Times.


Well one thing is for sure...the left smeared and the NYT's smeared one of their own, and yet the big boys at the fricken NYT's did exactly what they accused Judy Miller of doing...remember, as Wilson was being escorted through OLD GREY and CRUSTY HALLS in preparation of his OP-ED Opus, a reporter remarked...

"So you are the one that turned this paper around" (or words to that effect)

Oh boy, the investment in that guy. What a HUGE embarrassment...don't the shareholders have any say?

Jane

I think we need to paint signs and light candles.

bumper stickers - cheap, easy and someone can make a buck.

Broder wants the media to stick to facts? How about the bloody prosecutor?

The left is sadly lacking in honor.

sad

**** George Bush wants to pardon Scooter Libby, it is important that he know that there will be a price to be paid for doing so, and that price increases as the truth spreads. We need 650 readers to give $100 each in order to help us to make that happen. That’s less than 1% of the average readership of this blog on any given weekday. This is an important story both for the blogosphere and the country to get right, and we need your help to do that.****

It appears that the FDL book effort is actually a fundraiser!!!! I hope joe and Val don't mind that their website isn't mentioned....

sad

An excerpt from Cornball's book at the Cornball website

***** Colin Powell remains intensely bitter and angry about his UN Security Council Speech, during which he presented the case for war. After it became clear that much of his speech was wrong, he refused to have anything to do with CIA director George Tenet. "It's annoying to me," Powell told the authors. "Everybody focuses on my presentation....Well the same goddamn case was presented to the U.S. Senate and the Congress and they voted for [Bush's Iraq] resolution....Why aren't they outraged....The same case was presented to the President. Why isn'' the President outraged? It's always, 'Gee, Powell, you made this speech to the UN.'"****

Intensely bitter!!!!!! Any motive for anything here? On the other hand, Cornball and Izzy are the "reporters."

sad

More Cornball and Izzy:

*****Rove even told MSNBC anchor Chris Matthews that the Wilsons "were trying to screw the White House so the White House was going to screw them back."****

When did "fair game" become "screw them back"?

http://www.davidcorn.com/

MayBee

It doesn't sound like Powell is bitter about the speech, but about his critics.

Pofarmer

The more I think about this, the more ridiculous it becomes. Here we have Scooter Libby indicted for Perjury and obstruction disagreeing with reporters.

What did he obstruct? It couldn't have been the leak case. Fitz already knew that was Armitage. The only thing he could have obstructed was a witch hunt to punish the Whitehouse, for a supposed "outing" in "revenge" that wasn't. How much lower could politics go? I want to see that referal letter. This thing stinks, bigtime.

Sue

I think Val was a source for the reporters. She would fit the whistleblower category that Fitz seems to like. Wilson wouldn't.

(Nevermind the fact if I'm right they violated the whistleblower law and shouldn't have been afforded protection to begin with, Fitz sees a crime and he and the judge found a way to punish the intimidation of a noble whistleblower...Plame.)

Sue

Which would explain the inadvertent versus the deliberate. Armitage wasn't trying to harm her and Libby was. In Fitz's world.

SteveMG

The dean of American journalists (although I guess I wouldn't go around boasting about that right now) says the media owes Rove an apology (Hint: It's not Keith Olbermann).

SMG

jwest

Early on, Judge Tatel evaluated a pleading made by Fitz in camera.

Tatel then issued a statement that made it seem as if the security breach that occurred was on a scale of releasing Manhattan Project blueprints.

My questions are:

1. Who supplied Fitz with the information he passed to Tatel?
2. What could have been so alarming to Tatel that he used the language that he did?
3. Were the statements made in Fitz’s brief accurate, or were they part of the myth as advanced by Joe and Val?

If any of the senior grade Plameoligists care to site the exact phrasing of Tatel’s reaction, it would be helpful.

sbw

Tom's Book Title:
“Shooting Craps in the Corridors of Power”

Book jacket press blurb:

Some played because they had nothing to lose; others played because they had everything to lose; and even outsiders played because what they said might change the odds. Some played for power, others for revenge; and still others played just to play. They bet like government was just a game and the people of America so many casino chips.

Besides spooks, mandarins, gumshoes, and political hacks, even journalists played the game, echoing and amplifying misrepresentation with no personal price to pay. Every bet on the table was a side game, just like Craps, where bettors don’t give a damn who rolls the dice, because their game stands alone. Inside the beltway, each roll changed the game, adding new diplomatic doublespeak, charged with nuance, innuendo, bafflegab, and dissembling.

Fortunately, responsible journalism came from a distance, from one small corner of the Internet where the outcome of the game didn’t matter but the outcome for the world did. There, on the Just One Minute blog of Tom Maguire, independent commenters coalesced into a small army of Davids who tracked, checked, and verified intricate chronologies of published articles, events, legal testimony, and conjecture, teasing apart insight from fuzzy thinking, bad reporting, omitted detail, and out-and-out lies.

From time to time, people and events test the process of government. Read how, in a sea of uncertainty, concerted effort can help good sense to prevail.

Testimonial blurbs:
-- Ambassador Munchausen: Damn! You caught me.
-- Fitz: So that’s what happened!
-- Times editors: We were correct all along!
-- WAPO: “ “
-- DU: Bush lied!
-- Tenet: A slam dunk!
-- Kerry: Ambassador who?
-- Armitage: Does this mean I don’t have to comment?”
-- Powell: A better presentation than mine.
-- Grossman: Wilson? Never met him. The INR memo says so.
-- Rather: I have papers to prove it.
-- Larry: I know where you live.
-- Leopold: Whatever he said.
-- Schumer: There’s still reason to impeach Bush!
-- Larwyn: Italiacto!

maryrose

Powell has no reason to be bitter. He had his moment in the sun. He also had his chance to run for the presidency but family concerns kept him out of the race. He shouldn't let his disappointment and bitterness affect how he reponds to wrongdoing at the State Dept. He shouldn't have kept quiet and let Libby twist in the wind. He should have done a better job as Secretary of State.

Sue

-- Larwyn: Italiacto!

LOL.

Sue

O/T: Has anyone been following the flak over the 2 part mini series ABC is going to show about 9/11? My goodness, the democrats are in a tizzy. No documentary should include inaccuracies, etc. While they had Michael Moore sitting next to the former President of the US at the DNC convention. ::grin:: Gotta love'em.

lurker

"What did he obstruct? It couldn't have been the leak case. Fitz already knew that was Armitage. The only thing he could have obstructed was a witch hunt to punish the Whitehouse, for a supposed "outing" in "revenge" that wasn't. How much lower could politics go? I want to see that referal letter. This thing stinks, bigtime."

What is odd is that Fitz appeared to have already known about Armitage prior to at least investigating Libby. So your question of exactly what did Libby obstruct is a good question and exactly what did Libby lie about? The latest I got was that Libby's statements about Russert while Russert denied having a conversation with Libby. Plus Libby's comments about Russert was "out of the norm" that raised a flag with FBI. Did FBI find any evidence that Libby lied? Looks like what FBI found was a "He said, somebody else said something else" type of evidence. Strong enough to get Libby convicted? No.

If that CIA referral letter turned out to be something real, then we all have to eat crow. What are the odds that the CIA referral letter turned out to be a non-story?

lurker

I hope that ABC's 9/11 movie will NOT be redacted to satisfy the Clintonistas. Even Bush was shown to have some responsibility in it and Bush hasn't objected anything about this movie.

What great honor and integrity Bush and his people have. If this movie was aired the first time in year 2010, would Bush object to it? I don't think so. He'll still have enough integrity to not object to it.

MayBee

Bravo, SBW!


O/T: Has anyone been following the flak over the 2 part mini series ABC is going to show about 9/11? My goodness, the democrats are in a tizzy. No documentary should include inaccuracies, etc. While they had Michael Moore sitting next to the former President of the US at the DNC convention. ::grin:: Gotta love'em.

Hilarious.
This seems to be the most important thing on the left since Steven Colbert's Brave Performance.

Then, Bush didn't laugh hard enough and it was censorship.

Sue

If that CIA referral letter turned out to be something real, then we all have to eat crow.

Several judges have seen the referral letter. I have never thought it was not something real. It probably said the same things Corn wrote. But it didn't say she was covert. Because she wasn't.

Sue

Hilarious.

ABC will cave. They have already said they will have a piece at the beginning clarifying that this is not a 'documentary'.

The funniest part to me is they had Michael Moore in a prominent seat at the DNC. And now complain about inaccuracies. ::grin::

Millions of people, they said, will see it. While they promoted Michael Moore's 'mockumentary'.

lurker

Thanks, Sue! Think Tom McGuire pointed out in Tatel's rulings that disproved Plame's status as covert. I agree with Coulter's statement about everything at CIA being classified. Just that classified simply means that they have some level of security classification.

It does not mean that all of them are NOC and/or covert.

But what's puzzling is that Judge Walton (at least) ruled against Libby read access to this CIA referral letter. Why? What's in it that's preventing Libby and his lawyers access from it if Plame was proven to not be covert? Armitage?

SunnyDay

Powell, in an interview, said the UN speech was the low point of his career, that it was something he deeply regretted.

Sue

lurker,

Information about the JTFI? Not necessarily Plame.

lurker

SunnyDay, when I read that part about Powell's lowest day, I wondered why. Because everything he covered in that speech turned out to be true so far, even with the latest (Aug 30, 2006) jveritas translations.

lurker

Sue, one fact that the Judge ruled against allowing Libby full read access to this letter is that Libby or his lawyers lacked sufficient security clearances. If he had it while working for Cheney, he lost it the day of his resignation.

Paul in NJ

We need to get the word out to the uninformed public.

The mainstream media won't apologize for its part in hyping this manufactured scandal, and they sure won't inform their viewers about the facts (which will let the left go on shilling their fantasies about Rove & Co).

We need to help the non-blog-reading public to become informed. How, exactly, I'm not sure, but some papers will print letters to the editor... won't they?

lurker

Well, we need to write to ABC. Especially at least request that they release an UNCUT DVD version of this same movie to the public, especially if they redacted it.

Sue

A boycott of ABC should be in order if they cave to Clinton. At least for me. Which won't be much of a hardship, I hardly watch it anyway.

Other Tom

Broder names a couple of names I'm not sure have made our list yet: Joe Conason and the execrable Sidney Blumenthal.

Other Tom

Once again I am just bewildered by the tendency of both Presidents Bush to be far too gentlemanly with their adversaries and with those who have let them down horribly. How could Bush Sr. be so gracious to that snake Teddy Kennedy after the way he savaged his son? And in the case of Dubya, we get stuff like "you're doin' a great job, Brownie." More important, we get his spirited defense of George Tenet in the wake of 9/11, and his subsequent presentation to Tenet of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I think almost all past presidents of both parties, under the circumstances, would have quietly requested Tenet's resignation a decent interval after 9/11, made some kind remarks at his retirement ceremony, and left the rest to history. Has any man ever failed in his job more catastrophically than George Tenet?

All of this is prelude to reiterating my theory about what was in Tenet's follow-up to the referral. I think he asked Fitz to investigate whether there was a White House conspiracy to punish Wilson unlawfully, and that is what Fitz has been pursuing all along. And that is why the Armitage leak was essentially irrelevant to him.

MayBee

Seriously though. We really aren't supposed to remember Clinton's presidency, except to remember a booming economy, peace, and how the world just loooooved us and him.
Those were the glorious, memorable moments in our 8 year Vacation from History (h/t the Anchoress)

Gabriel Sutherland
The memo was prepared for Mr. Cheney, who was eager to prove that there was an Iraqi nuclear weapons program and to silence critics.
Whoa, whoa, hold on a minute. If Cheney was making so many public speeches talking about the threat posed by maintaining the status quo with Saddam, isn't that a public dicussion and precisely the opposite of silencing critics?

What does the NY Times know about Wilson that everyone does not? Was the Times planning to run a series of Op/Ed pieces by Joe Wilson discussing his super secret sources that would reveal all about the Iraq Strategy Group?

Novak didn't write the column that the White House would have preferred, one where Wilson's claims about Niger are challenged via other high level government sources. Novak didn't write that column about Joe Wilson because it wasn't the White House that was communicating that message to Novak. The only person talking to Novak about Plame was Armitage.

We now know that the White House was confirming information with Novak, but Novak still wasn't writing a column about what was known about Iraq/Niger connections. Novak was writing a piece about how Wilson's belief that his Niger mission was so important yet George Tenant, point man on Iraq intelligence for the White House, didn't even know about Joe Wilson's assignment. You might say that Tenant didn't think the trip was necessary, though, White House critics would *cough* Valerie.

Certainly, in review, we know that the leak of Plame's identity ended the conversation right there. Nothing has been reported about since. No court proceedings, no discussions, no Wilson VIP trips to Vegas for Yearly Kos, no, it most definitely silenced critics as the NY Times says Cheney intended.

Or maybe the NY Times really is insane. Because I'm fairly certain that silencing critics is the very last thing that Cheney has ever done in his political career. But those adept historians at the Times would know.

Pass the sugar.

Other Tom

"We now know that the White House was confirming information with Novak..."

And don't forget, the CIA itself (in the person of Harlow) gave precisely the same confirmation that Rove gave.

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