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Semanticleo

" To win this election the Democrats(Republicans) need to run against(away from) George Bush and run away from their(his) base; it's hard to do both."

Good call, Maguire. In 1994 the 'Promise-ers'
had a simple, easily communicated message to the electorate. Do the Dems have one for 2006
and 2008? How about Iraq? All they have to do is hammer away on the bonehead play of the millenium. Simple.

Mackenzie

The polls have been volatile this month. Polling done in the period of Sept 11-15 showed the President up, while polling done since shows that he is back to the lower levels recorded during the summer. Rasmussen showed 5 days of 44% to 47% approval, followed by 4 days at 40% to 41%. Gallup showed a sizable increase, while Pew and NYT/CBS showed no change from August.

Bob

cleo... they have and look what it got them. The people are tired (dems get worse approval then bush on this) of the Democrats squawking about Iraq with no solution to offer. Also having voted for before they voted against is not playing all that well either. Finally if your relying on "polls" to tell you what will happen in November, just remember those exit polls in 2004... it also doesn't help that the people they pole, are the more likely to vote for the next American Idol than get of their butts to vote in November.

freaknik

The Repubs will certainly continue to run the country.

Right into the ground.

Vote Democrat and Die...Free

Sue

I had a strange phone call last night. I have tried to recall who the recorded message said they were with, but can't. The question was "Would you vote for Bush today, press 1, if you would tend to vote for a democrat, press 2". Isn't that a weird polling question?

Rick Ballard

I think "Lurch Left and Lose" is more on target. The Copperheads were never rewarded at the ballot box for their sedition, why would anyone think that their heirs whould do better?

Pofarmer

Personally, I just hang up on polls, any polls. I wonder how many others do? I can't beleive that any poll, period, has any level of accuracy other than the one at the ballot box.

Although, I actually heard a pollster the other day admit that MO was trending more and more conservative. That had to be a tough pill to swallow. At the same times, the Dims running for office are starting to sound like mini-Howard Deans. That's a recipe for disaster.

freaknik

I admit Dems suck. But look what we have now:

Bush says we're in an existential war for civilization, and the Congress is going to adjourn early without passing an interrogation policy bill, just so they can go campaign that they deserve re-election!

Meanwhile the President has threatened(?) to shut down the whole program in the interim, and apparently not ask terrorists a damn thing. Until when is unclear.

It's either an absolute charade or the grossest incompetence of all time.

So let the Repubs win. This inertia cannot continue. Whatever revolution comes is just going to be that much bigger.

Semanticleo

"Whatever revolution comes is just going to be that much bigger."

Yeah. but will we survive until then?

clarice

Yesterday, we found out that American support for U.S. participation in the Iraq war is rising.

One poll last week (Sept. 12-13) found that 51 percent of Americans back “the U.S. war in Iraq.” That’s the first majority for the war since October 2003. A slightly newer (Sept. 15-17) poll showed that, for the first time since last December, less than a majority of Americans believe the Iraq war was a mistake.

In other words, our role in the Iraq war is increasingly popular. http://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2006/09/did_i_imagine_n.html


Semanticleo


"Yesterday, we found out that American support for U.S. participation in the Iraq war is rising."


"Keeping Hope Alive"

This Post's for you.

Rick Ballard

"Yeah. but will we survive until then?"

You're still typing after having undergone a lobotomy and the cessation of cerebral activity - your future is as bright as ever it was.

Sara (Squiggler)

We have a situation here in California where we have a semi-popular governor being challenged by a nerdy looking guy whose platform consists of two planks -- raise taxes, make gay marriage the law. Is he running on his own platform? No? Every night I'm subjected to a half dozen showings of the same ad, a huge media buy considering I'm in both the San Diego and Los Angeles media markets. This ad says absolutely nothing about Angeliddes and his positons, it says absolutely nothing about Arnold's positions. The entire ad is against Bush and tries to make the point over and over that Republican Arnold supported Republican George Bush at the Republican National Convention in 2004. Millions of dollars in media buy to replay a clip of Arnold do a Convention rally speech for the President. It is a stupid waste of money, especially in this market where Arnold is very popular and going to win hands down in all the counties served by this media market except perhaps the inner city areas of L.A. and I'm not even sure those are at risk. I don't even think most people would recognize Angeliddes if they met him on the street. He doesn't want his picture up where his nerdy looks can be juxtaposed against Arnold's strong good looks. He certainly doesn't want it broadly broadcast that he wants to raise California's taxes to even more debilitating levels than they already are. And gay marriage may play well in Hollywood and up in Pelosi country in Marin county, but it sure doesn't play well down here in So. Calif., so that is also off his campaign table. I have yet to even here Angeliddes's own voice, since all the ads are done with a professional announcer in voice over or it is, like I said, Arnold at his best, rallying the crowd for Bush.

Tom Maguire

So let the Repubs win. This inertia cannot continue. Whatever revolution comes is just going to be that much bigger.

A theory is that a Dem victory now hurts them in 2008: (1) it lets some of the air out of the balloon and lets them share some blame; (2) Pelosi/Reid on center stage won't help the Dem cause, but will highlight their lack of message and inability to unite behind an agenda that is not widley mistaken for a SNL skit.

JohnH

The Times poll found 50% wanting to vote Dem and 35% Rep. This is interesting but pretty useless for figuring out if the House is going to change hands.

Let's say they talked to 1000 people (I could check, but I'm lazy). Less than 5% of those people would be expected to be in "toss-up" districts. That's 50 people. Those districts are where they should be polling, and 50 people is not going to give a significant result.

Sue

I would have hung up normally, but I decided to see what questions they asked. That was it, press 1 if you would vote GWB today, press 2 if you would likely vote for a democrat. What possible purpose would that have?

freaknik

their lack of message and inability to unite behind an agenda that is not widley mistaken for a SNL skit

Hey. It seems to be working for the Republicans. E.g., what's the latest news on the much heralded but little seen "compromise" on interrogation?

And the House Judiciary shenanigans yesterday were too primitive for SNL, harking back to earlier Keystone Cops comedy.

Semanticleo

"A theory is that a Dem victory now hurts them in 2008".

Not a new theory, is it Maguire?

2008 is less of a concern than the antiseptic
quality of daylight on the clandestine activities of certain individuals and groups
who fear personal exposure more than a breach of National Security.

Sara (Squiggler)

I am reminded of 1988. My husband took part in a poll where he was asked if he would vote for Regan again. He answered no, not because he wouldn't vote for Reagan if was running, but simply because he was informed enough to know that the election was between Dukakis and GWH Bush and that Reagan could not run again because he'd already served two terms. When he got off the phone, I aksed him about the poll questions and when he came to that one, I said, "oh no, they'll count you as a Dukakis voter. A few days later the results of that poll hit big time and there it was, Dukakis with an 18 point lead and predictions of a dem landslide were the headlines.

This, of course, was even before the Repubs had had their convention.

The only way to really interpret polls is to look closely at how a question is asked.

Other Tom

As usual, once they see it all slipping away, they become more and more fun to read. It reminds me of the collapse of the seven-hour presidency of John F. Kerry.

Sue

I pressed 1, but while doing so thought it was a dumb question, since Bush can't run again and what are they trying to determine?

Bob

boy cleo and the freak seem pretty resigned to defeat again in November...

"

So let the Repubs win. This inertia cannot continue. Whatever revolution comes is just going to be that much bigger."

And Fitzmas will be "bigger" next time too!

God it must suck to be a democrat... their either lying or being lied to.

I guess something has to give them hope!

sad

A federal judge handed a victory to the defense Thursday in the Valerie Plame case, siding with Vice President Dick Cheney's indicted former chief of staff in a fight over release of classified information.


U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton decided that he won't impose strict standards sought by prosecutors who want to limit the amount of classified information used in the trial of defendant I. Lewis Libby.


Prosecutors had proposed a stringent three-part legal test that would have allowed information to be considered for the trial only when its benefit to the defense outweighed the government's need to keep it secret.


Walton sided with Libby's lawyers, who said any evidence that's relevant to the case should be considered for use. Once Walton rules on which evidence is relevant, government attorneys can propose portions to be blacked out or summarized, the judge said.


Libby is accused of lying to authorities about conversation he had with reporters regarding the CIA employment of Plame. Plame's husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, criticized the Bush administration's intelligence leading up to the Iraq war and the couple has accused Libby and others of leaking Plame's identity as retribution.


Libby, who is charged with perjury, obstruction and lying to the FBI, wants access to classified information, including Cheney's daily intelligence memos, to show that Libby had more important things on his mind at the time of the leak and honestly didn't remember his conversations with reporters.


Prosecutors have suggested Libby is trying to derail the case by threatening to expose national secrets — a tactic known as graymail.

ap via sfgate


Bob

NY REP Charlie Rangel, just scolded Chavez:

DON'T COME TO MY COUNTRY AND ATTACK MY PRESIDENT

More proof the Democrats are scared of the blow-back from Chavez saying nothing too different then the Democrats.

Jane

Let's hear it for Charlie Rangel, who just said that while it was nice for Chavez to send his constiuants heating oil, he has no business coming to the US and criticizing our president. Bravo!

topsecretk9

Is Mr. TM been around today?

Check your email!!! There is a present in it.

topsecretk9

Has Mr. TM, i meant.

freaknik

Don't worry about me Bob.

Watching the Democrats take over Tom Delay's seat (due solely to Republican stupidity) negates all other disappointments.

Bob

sorry freak but your beyond worrying about... and I wouldn't be too sure about taking his seat either. Then all you'll have left is the tooth fairy to believe in!

Aaron Adams

Reality Check:

It was always going to be an uphill fight for the democratic party to gain control of either the house or the senate in the 2006 midterms. It still is for all the usual reasons: power of incumbancy, gerrymandered districts, money disparity and the superior republican microtargeted, neighbor-oriented GOTV operation.

As for the comparisons to 1994 and Newt's "contract on America", (largely observed only in the breach by the way) few here appear to recall that marketing ploy was launched within 30 days of the election.

The number of House races and Senate races where democratic party candidates are competitive is larger than was expected by most analysts less than one year ago. Also, despite ocassional outliers, Bush's JARs are consistently within a point or two of 40%, not a comfortable place less than 50 days out from an election where the balance of power in either house is at issue. Further, the generic congressional ballot still favors dems over repubs, though the exact delta is elusive.

In sum, it is too early for either party to begin crowing just yet. If the dems wrest control of either house it will be a victory for constitutional government and checks and balances. If the repubs fend off the challenge, expect greater executive power that our founders intended. One may think the latter scenario is a good thing for their party though it is hard to imagine in their heart of hearts they think it would be a good thing for our constitutional republic.

Of course, YMMV

Rick Ballard

TM,

I found this paragraph pretty telling:

"Overall discontent with Congress or Washington does not necessarily signify how someone will vote when they see the familiar name of their member of Congress on the ballot. Thus, while 61 percent of respondents said they disapproved of the way Congress was handling its job, just 29 percent said they disapproved of the way their own “representative is handling his or her job.”

The other way to write that is "An amazing 71% of the respondents indicated satisfaction with their own representative." It's very difficult to find a district where the incumbent's party has a 71% majority which means that a fair percentage of those polled are willing to cross party lines to vote for an incumbent of the opposing party.

If Nagourney were not Clymer's legitimate heir he might have placed a bit of focus on comparing the '94 response to that question with the current response.

Maybe he will do a "How the Democratic Wave Became a Ripple" series as an act of contrition.

And maybe I'll awaken tomorrow with golden wings and fly down to LA for lunch.

Good Lt

"Watching the Democrats take over Tom Delay's seat (due solely to Republican stupidity) negates all other disappointments."

Enjoy it. Its gonna be painful for you in November when Rangel retires.

Florence Schmieg

Let's talk about about Libby and just wait until actual election results come in, the only thing that matters. Although I do admit that this is fun!

sbw

Cleo, welcome back.

Cleo and freak, without dissing Republicans for past performance, how about succinctly expressing the positive campaign platform you would espouse? No cheating be saying we'd just do things better. Give me a reason to vote Democratic.

So far I've only heard, isolationism, trust the UN, bad guys are simply misunderstood, cover up problems by payoffs taken out of other people's pockets, drag business down by over-regulation, equality is better than liberty, and stop the sun's cycle from heating up the Earth.

... But I'm happy to learn where I may have misinterpreted something.

Sara (Squiggler)

Chavez is now lecturning Americans and telling his listeners that the problem is that we don't turn off our lights enough.

Rangel surprised me since he seemed genuinely offended that Chavez made his remarks in the United States, but even worse, in Rangel's district. You don't come into Rangel's hood and start bashing our President. A sight to behold.

It is refreshing to see a Democrat put a love of country and pride of America above party politics. Doesn't happen very often.

topsecretk9

So...apparently Dems realized that Chavez crazy was not good for their image...fade to Cindy Sheehan and Chavez kiss...

Florence Schmieg

My husband, a staunch conservative, has somehat of a soft spot for Charlie Rangel. What he said today may not be just political but his true feelings. I would hope that American citizens would all agree.

clarice

Let me say I regard newspaper analyses of elections prospects a waste of newsprint. Barone and Cost know what they are talking about. The rest are--um--whistling Dixie usually with a Dem accent.

Good Lt

"In sum, it is too early for either party to begin crowing just yet. If the dems wrest control of either house it will be a victory for constitutional government and checks and balances. If the repubs fend off the challenge, expect greater executive power that our founders intended. One may think the latter scenario is a good thing for their party though it is hard to imagine in their heart of hearts they think it would be a good thing for our constitutional republic."

Yadda yadda Bush is a tyrant yadda yadda Democrats are "constitutionalists" yadda yadda forget that Democrats threatened to revoke station licenses, eliminate the Second Amendment, destroy terrorist financial and communication monitoring programs through unaccountable courts, attack successfl private businesses with regularity, raise taxes to depress the economic growth of the populace yadda yada...

We. Weren't. Born. Yesterday. Adam.

Good Lt

"Rangel surprised me since he seemed genuinely offended that Chavez made his remarks in the United States, but even worse, in Rangel's district. You don't come into Rangel's hood and start bashing our President. A sight to behold.

It is refreshing to see a Democrat put a love of country and pride of America above party politics. Doesn't happen very often."

They have to do it, because they realize that if one of them doesn't get out there, Chavez will tip more moderates to the GOP with his socialist rantings. They see the polling momentum slipping from them, and they're in spin and damage control mode because they're afraid people will start equating this lunatic with the Bush-bashing of the Democrat party. Which they will, since our memories aren't 10 minutes long.

Rangel is and has been as viscious a Bush-basher as there ever was.

Always remember - Don't be foolded. They're Democrats.

Daniel

How about a poll question:
Who would you prefer for president now:
Bush or Chavez?

freaknik

"Give me a reason to vote Democratic".

This country works better with divided government. Look at this typical raving lunatic, Good Lt., supra. Don't you kinda wannna check and balance his ass?

sbw

Freak, remember that I asked "how about succinctly expressing the POSITIVE campaign platform"?

Good Lt

Why don't you do it yourself, freak?

Pofarmer

You don't come into Rangel's hood and start bashing our President.

Apparently he reserves that for himself.

Freak.

There's a difference between checks and balances and obstructionism and ankle biting, just sayin.

Sara (Squiggler)

Freknik -- we are doing the counterbalancing now. It isn't easy to balance the rantings of Pelosi, the ravings of Reid, the lies of Kerry/Kennedy, or the general stupidity of the rest of them with their cut and run, tax the hell out of anyone who gets off the couch and out to a job each day.

The idea of Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House is the stuff nightmares are made of.

The latest scuttlebutt on John Murtha is that he is in big trouble in the PA 12th and that is music to my own ears. I knew my hometown had more sense than to keep electing that senile old man.

JM Hanes

freaknik:

"This country works better with divided government."

The government is already divided into three parts, so you can cross that one off your list.

Bob

"It still is for all the usual reasons: power of incumbancy, gerrymandered districts, money disparity and the superior republican microtargeted, neighbor-oriented GOTV operation."

I love democrats, always using the same old talking points, and it's never their fault... it's always "the man" that's keeping them down. Don't you ever tire of he blame game?

How about admitting that the Democrats don't stand for anything as the main reason they'll lose in November!


"This country works better with divided government."

freak you'd be right if the Dems had something positive to offer. But as long as their platform is "Anything but Bush", they'll never get traction. They first need to wrest away control from the netroots, and become a political party and not a mouthpiece for the moonbats!

freaknik

Wrong Hanes. Congressional oversight is dead. We have a Supreme Court and three Senators checking this amorphous Republican Exex-Congress (Ex-cess?).

meanwhile sbw, you're confused. You want the POSITIVE counterpart to the Repub's glorious "vote for us or you'll die in a terrorist attack" platform?

If it isn't obvious, just vote Republican in good conscience. You deserve each other.

Tomf

Checks and balances?

I thought the democrats only dealt in cash. Frozen cash. :-)

lurker

Rick Moran has an interesting post about the Iraq Study. The conclusion from this study was a recommendation of either pull out OR commit.

Due to the extreme partisan divisions, USA is not fully committed to finishing up the Iraq reconstruction and battling the insurgents...yet. The war against Iraq is OVER and we won that war, btw.

Austin ran a poll recently about the CD 22. Lampson still has 33% while Shelly Sekula-Gibbs has the rest.

Be sure to vote for her TWICE! Special Election and General Election so that Shelly can serve from November til January.

lurker

BTW, NYT made several BAD calls in what to report, such as the SWIFT program, and losing money.

So, why should we believe NYT's polls?

lurker

I believe in

"Vote Democrat...give terrorists more rights than the US citizens"

"Vote Democrat...you'll soon see Shari'a Law"

"Vote Democrat...you'll soon be under Shari'a Law and be stoned to death"

sbw

Italiacto! [Bless Larwyn!]

lurker

Will we see a coup in Venezuela?

Mac's reading from the grapevine...

Chump Chavez skedaddles back home

Neo

Bush hasn't hurt himself in past couple of weeks, but more to the point .. it's the economy, stupid.

I don't mean the Dow, S&P or NASDAQ, but most voters don't look at the pension plans every day or week. No, it's the cost of gasoline, which now is being predict to fall at a slower, but decent, pace till Spring.

The same thing for war support. War for Oil, damn straight, but why the heck were gas prices going up ? Gas prices going down .. pour on more War for Oil.

lurker

"This country works better with divided government."

freak you'd be right if the Dems had something positive to offer. But as long as their platform is "Anything but Bush", they'll never get traction. They first need to wrest away control from the netroots, and become a political party and not a mouthpiece for the moonbats!"

Right now, the democrats don't know what they believe and stand on. They lack principles. Anytime they harp on religion, they still don't stand by their principles of religion and because of this, they don't understand that Islamofascism is a real problem and needs to be faced head on.

Economy is going great, btw. Country is not being run into the ground.

Neo

First, Hugo Chavez goes to Harlem and delivers another attack on President Bush. Then Rep. Charles Rangel calls Hugo out. Hugo goes for the airport.

I say to myself .. Wow!

But all the wow dissipates when Rep. Pelosi reads from the same script. Leave it to a white woman to put the black man down.

lurker

Federal deficits are coming down really fast.

Clarice, sound familiar?

Advocacy Press

Jeff and others to challenge your "Missing Case" article as infactual, inaccurate, distortion, etc.....

Cecil Turner

Don't you kinda wannna check and balance his ass?

Checking is good (like in hockey, right?). Balancing? Is that some sorta gymnastics thing? (Not that there's anything wrong with that . . .)

lurker

Neo, we get 1 million barrels of oil from Venezuela per day?

We need to stop buying oil from Venezuela.

TexasToast

Lurker

I'm curious where you get your poll info. The polls I have seen dont reflect the Shelly landslide in Sugarland that you report. I heard she ran a push poll - is that the one you are talking about?

Remember Delay won in 2004 with 55% when Congress' JAR was 67% and no one in Sugarland had heard of Abramoff. I don't see Shelly beating Delay's numbers.

Darrell

My projection...the Republicans retain both houses of Congress with an outside chance of picking up seats in the House...the Democrats cry voter fraud, wring their hands, and declare the continuation of a vast right-wing conspiracy in America. Meanwhile, average Americans continue their steady movement toward more conservative values, setting up more Democrat losses in the future. I used to vote for Democrats. When I find some that stand for something other than "We HATE Bush and the Republicans!"... I may vote for a Democrat again. We are at war! War is hell! Americans don't like any war that lasts longer than about one year. So what??? That doesn't mean that they are ready to turn the future security of this country over to a political party that places the rights of cold-blooded, murdering terrorists ahead of the lives of Americans. The momentum of the polls is moving toward Republicans, because Americans are getting closer to a decision point in November and the Democrat talking points haven't impressed them.

lurker

"Deadline of the Iran resolution delayed for the 4th time to October.

P-5 + 1 Back Down from Consequences for Iran, New Compliance Deadline Set

Guess nothing is going to happen."

Austin newspaper, TT. The numbers were broken down as something like:

Shelly Sekula-Gibbs
Blond lady from Houston
Some lady from over there
Shelly

Add up the percentages and Shelly has the advantage over Nampson.

Daniel DiRito

This recent polling data tells me that voters have a clear perspective on the war in Iraq...perhaps more cogent than either Party. They feel it is being handled poorly, they know what a civil war looks like, they believe Congress has failed to do its part in guiding and overseeing the executive branch, and they realize that the notion of exporting democracy to the Middle East is a Bush Doctrine that fails to recognize the realities in the region. Finally, they believe that Middle East stability is important and that a withdrawal that leaves Iraq in chaos may well be detrimental to the United States.

That, my friends, is one spot on analysis and suggests that voters have discerned fact from fiction with an impressive demonstration of acuity. Perhaps both parties will someday learn that the truth is, in the final analysis, the most powerful campaign strategy available. Don't hold your breath.

Read more here:

www.thoughttheater.com

lurker

My take...

I think the Republicans will retain both houses and CD22.

But if they do retain it, then they have to make major changes or many people will be very unhappy in '08.

Karl

I'm partial to freaknik's suggested slogan:

"Vote Democrat and Die...Free"

I think the Dems ought to put that in every ad and on every bumper-sticker.

lurker

And everyone will laugh when they read those bumperstickers.

ROFL!!!

JM Hanes

Daniel DiRitobot:

Your message suffers from precisely the same flaws it did the last time you posted it.

Other Tom

"If the dems wrest control of either house it will be a victory for constitutional government and checks and balances. If the repubs fend off the challenge, expect greater executive power that our founders intended."

Pure nonsense. Did the government not function well during, for example, the New Deal?

As as been the case throughout the nation's history, the losers sit around saying "shut up and deal."

Sara (Squiggler)

meanwhile sbw, you're confused. You want the POSITIVE counterpart to the Repub's glorious "vote for us or you'll die in a terrorist attack" platform?

If it isn't obvious, just vote Republican in good conscience. You deserve each other.

That's okay Freaknik, we defend all Americans, even Freaks. That is unless you've sent your name and address in to the central registry asking to be taken off the protection list, in which case, I would suggest you move to Syria or Iran or maybe Cuba.

What do you think? Do you think that in the next terrorist attack, the bomb will bypass you because you don't believe there is a terrorist threat but get your next door neighbor who does? Because that is what it sounds like dems think.

The Unbeliever

Wrong Hanes. Congressional oversight is dead. We have a Supreme Court and three Senators checking this amorphous Republican Exex-Congress (Ex-cess?).

Uh huh. And what are the other 97 Senators doing, taking a sick leave? Or (more likely) are you confusing political math with Constitutional functionality?

Try to wrap your mind around this simple concept: just because the government does things you don't like, doesn't mean democracy is dead. Enjoy your time in the minority, bub, and quit screaming whenever the adults do the jobs they were elected to do.

Neo

"Vote Democrat and Die...Taxed"


Now if the Democrats could just get past the theme of Contract on Bush, perhaps more independents would take them seriously.

freaknik

Well it already says "Live Free or Die" on New Hampshire license plates, though if Repubs retain Congress, I hear they're going to change it to:

"Live with whatever restrictions we deem necessary on personal liberty or die"

Bill in AZ

To one of the first points Tom makes in this post "Only 25% in Poll Approve of the Congress", the Rangel rant against Chavez makes a good case for why so many disapprove of congress - but it's not for the reason NYT would like us to believe.

I disapprove of virtually every single Republican in congress because they continue to leave our president flapping in the breeze and hung out to dry. They are completely ball-less when it comes to defending our president on ANYTHING. RNC calls every couple of weeks wanting my money, and every single time I have to explain to them that when a single Republican ANYWHERE grows a pair and actually does or says ANYTHING to defend our president, that will be the day I start sending money again.

Rangel and Pelosi both said something regarding Chavez's beyond the pale remarks. Now we'll get some copycat Republicans saying something, but it has been crickets until Rangel said something.

I'm surprised it's even 25% approval for congress.

Doesn't mean I won't vote Republican (which is the way NYT wants to interpret the data), but I still greatly disapprove of the job they are doing as my representatives.

Re: clarice's question way upthread regarding a Hillary versus McCain election - wow, that is a tough question, fortunately it will never happen because McCain will never make it that far... but McCain, in his infinite stupidity, would slowly dribble away every last bit of self-realization this country has - inadvertently because he doesn't have a clue what he is doing or why (witness McCain-Feingold nonsense). At least with Hillary, we know exactly where she will take us. And on her march to socialism, when she gets to the point where she comes after our guns, that will be when the 2nd revolution starts and maybe we'll have another 200 years of not having to deal with socialist moonbats.

Tough decision, would almost have to go with Hillary because we know the outcome. Who knows where McCain would leave us - it would be an interesting presidency because it would depend purely on what camera was whirring and who was behind the camera as to what the country's direction would be for that day or hour.

Sara (Squiggler)

Wow, Pataki is on a rant on Fox saying Hugo Chavez needs to get the hell out of town. He is hot, hot, hot. He says he will never buy from Citgo again. Whew!

Bob

hey freaknik are you sleeping with cleo... your posts are starting to have the same disjointed sentence structure!

... and what is it with moonbats and bumper stickers?

Sara (Squiggler)

Bob, they think in bumpersticker, refrigerator magnet mentality, doncha' know nuttin'?

Neo

Hillary versus McCain

I pretty much agree with Bill in AZ. I don't think McCain could last though the primaries.

If Hillary could prove herself to be, as described in some sci-fi movie (I forget which, StarTroppers maybe), that she would be "the most unyielding President in US history," I might give her the edge over McCain.

It won't be till the next President's watch that the Iran question is answered. Unyielding will be a good position.

sbw

But, freak, what are you working FOR?

What do you believe in? Do you have any principles?

The Unbeliever

While Hillary might have the "unyielding" advantage over McCain, that still wouldn't be enough to overcome all the reasons not to vote for her. In the event this theoretical McCain/Hillary matchup actually makes it to the general election, I just might have to do a write-in.

Neo

I just might have to do a write-in.

Me too.

sad

I will have a hard time voting for McCain as long as one of his trusted advisors is Armitage.

Sara (Squiggler)

This is too much. From the Turkish">http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=143204&cid=0">Turkish press we get this:

Chavez says Bush 'alcoholic' and 'sick man'

NEW YORK - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez launched a new personal attack against President George W. Bush on Thursday, calling the US leader an "alcoholic" and a "sick man" during a tour of the New York district of Harlem.

Speaking while walking in a Harlem street, Chavez told a group of passers-by: "Bush is an alcoholic, a sick man with a lot of hang-ups."

"He walks like John Wayne," declared the left-wing Venezuelan leader. "He doesn't know anything about politics, he got there because of Daddy." Bush's father, George Bush, was also a US president.

In a controversial speech before the UN General Assembly on Wednesday, Chavez called Bush "the devil" and "a tyrant."

Chavez went to Harlem to announce the expansion of a programme to send cheap Venezuelan oil to poor families in New York.

Sara (Squiggler)

I think Chavez has made a huge tactical error. He has confused his conversations with Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink as being representative of the American people.

sad

I think Chavez has made a huge tactical error.

Didn't he also kiss Sheehan? Looks like he lacks judgement on many fronts.

clarice

WalMart is about to launch a program to offer widely used prescritpions in generic form for $4 a pop. That should bring down health costs, make them America's darling and kill another stupid Dem target:WalMart.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/business/21cnd-walmart.html?ei=5094&en=c3f0120cca88b7df&hp=&ex=1158897600&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1158858435-dG5WPuRTbvk3N+TfVNk/+w Another Target

Bob

"Bob, they think in bumpersticker, refrigerator magnet mentality, doncha' know nuttin'?"

Sara... your right! I forgot their whole lives are made up of short sound bites like "truth to power" and such. I wonder if they keep them short so the moonbats can remember them, or are they limited simply by the size of the bumper sticker/magnets?

syn

Chavez stood at the United Nations podium, spouted off a ImperialistBushhate rant then recommended Noam Chomsky as must read for truthiness.

No wonder Rangel hastily ran to the media spot light, the Democrat Party is stuck with a nasty image problem with their ImperialistBushhate voter base.

Let's see if MSM will ever interview Cindy Sheehan again.

RichatUF
2008 is less of a concern than the antiseptic quality of daylight on the clandestine activities of certain individuals and groups who fear personal exposure more than a breach of National Security....

certain individuals-Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame

certain groups-VIPS


RichatUF

Sara (Squiggler)

Yes sad, she is lip locking Chavez during her lovefest with him. I used the pic today HERE

Cecil Turner

hey freaknik are you sleeping with cleo...

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Didn't he also kiss Sheehan?

Not that there's [Ewwww! Nasty visual] . . . er, necessarily . . . . . oh, never mind.

sad

Sara, that is awesome.

Peg C.

As a conservative, I have been as upset with Republicans as any conservative I know. Every time I think it MIGHT be a good idea for the Reps to lose in 2006 (which would guarantee a Rep landslide in '08 in my opinion), I listen to the usual Dem loudmouths and I'm cured.

But I'll cut off my hand before I vote for McCain.

red

It's either an absolute charade or the grossest incompetence of all time.

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So you would advise all personnel who are conducting interrogations to commit acts prosecutable as war crimes due to the vague standards? Gosh, I'm grateful you aren't my commander / judge advocate. What other war crimes would you give a pass to?

red

It's either an absolute charade or the grossest incompetence of all time.

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So you would advise all personnel who are conducting interrogations to commit acts prosecutable as war crimes due to the vague standards? Gosh, I'm grateful you aren't my commander / judge advocate. What other war crimes would you give a pass to?

Jason Leopold

Yeah, well, that will all change when Karl Rove is indicted in the next 48 hours.

Just you wait and see.

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