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Other Tom

Off-topic: Saddam verdict handed down. ("You have to question the timing.") I understand Rove placed a discreet call to the judge.

capitano

Commenting this morning on the poll that shows Harold Ford trailing by 12% in the Tennessee Senate race, Chris Matthews puts on his "sad face" to blame it all on the racists in the South who still refuse to elect a black man to the Senate.

Martin

How fitting that it was Foley who broke the elephant's back.

The Republicans had complete control over how Foley would play out, and it was only their own arrogance, denial, and incompetence that created the spectacular flameout.

ed

Hmmm.

What exactly is the big deal about this Foley nonsense? Frankly it seems to be the only sex scandal in living memory that didn't actually involve sex.

So you liberals out there: explain why this idiotic nonsense about Foley actually is a scandal.

I really want to know because all I see is utter bullshit.

owl

The Dem's MSM brought us this election with ABC leading the parade.

Then credit goes to all the self centered wingers that decided to persue their own little power agendas regardless of the harm. After all, They are the Party, They are the Ones that brought us to power, blah, blah, blah.

Issue by issue.....ya want NSA terrorist watched or do you want Specter's civil rights? Ya want to get info from the captured or do you want to soothe McCain's moral outrage? You want to knock off a few of these killers or do you want to employ Graham's lawyers? Ya want to fry those Dems who sat 2 hours up the road and refused to let those Katrina trapped people even cross a bridge (much less offer them the hundreds of dry busses they have AVAILABLE) or had you rather fry Brownie? Immigration? Do Not Even Get Me Started on that destruction force. This parade was started with a 'speechwriter' named Frum who decided that he had been insulted by the nomination of someone who HE decided was inferior. Heck, I even read yesterday, that HE is still giving out HIS valued opinions.

Glue. This bunch does not understand glue. La de dah....it's principle over survival and wearing hair shirts. The MSM only had to 'shape' this mess and supply The Silence. Throw in a generous amout of Traitors.....and.....

Just hoping there are still enough out there like me, who has already voted a straight Republican ticket because I can no longer afford to vote personalities. I appreciate the chance to LIVE without the UN deciding my taxes or who gets first chance to kill me. Ya can't chase me out of the Party with a Stick or the MSM.

Les Nessman

"Ancient history now, apparently - it is the story that Times forgot."

But of course. As the actual facts of this story, as opposed to the media-hyped innuendo, come out it becomes apparent that there is less to this than we were led to believe. By now, this story has served it's main purpose (derail the GOP) so it goes down the memory hole.

Sue

Just as their Al Qaqaa story disappeared, never to be written about again, as soon as the election was over.

windansea

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows some narrowing in the Democratic advantage in House races. The survey gives the Democrats a six-percentage-point lead nationally among likely voters asked which party they prefer for Congress. It was 14 points two weeks ago, but this remains a larger advantage than they have had in recent midterm elections.

we're surging, surging I tell you

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jerry

I can't wait to see less of Elizabeth Dole on my TV, does the woman ever stop to listen to other people? She might learn somethings.

Other Tom

I want to see more of John Kerry on mine. He's doing exactly as Rove ordere him to.

windansea

History Suggests A 6% Democrat Generic Advantage Gives Republicans 223-228 House Seats

We know that the final Washington Post/ABC News Congressional Generic Ballot poll shows only a 6% lead for the Democrats. It was 14% in the last poll. So what?

For historic final generic poll information, go HERE.

For Congressional Partisan historic breakdown go HERE.

Conclusion: In 1998, Democrats had a poll advantage of 8.03% and that lead to a partisan breakdown of 223 Republican and 212 Democrat/Socialist. There is absolutely no reason to suggest that the current generic Congressional Ballot is leading to large Democrat gains and control of the House.

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SunnyDay

Cheney just said that neither he nor the President would appear before congress if subpoenaed.

cboldt

-- "Cheney just said that neither he nor the President would appear before congress if subpoenaed." --


That's it? That's all? No context? Libby case? NSA? CIA detention? Renditions? Vote fraud?

TexasIsHeaven

OT - Dan Blather on Fox - went to sleep last night with TV on - woke up this morning and thought I had died and gone to the bad place. There is Dan Blather - on Fox - staring me in the face.

Will this fool never go away? And why in the hell would Fox give him the time of day?

Doug

Before the Times begins the Icky Shuffle in the end-zone, there's that little, teeny, weeny issue of the real election.

And consider this a manual trackback.

anonymous

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Semanticleo

Newt and the fellow 'Promisers' defaulted on their pretext and so the decent conservatives who truly believed such had the moral highground find themselves dispirited.

All the rest of the conservative crew still sticking with the Deciderer had no such lofty ideals so they are content to stay because it is too painful to lose power and gloating rights. They deserve the same fate as the failed President; ignominous history.

PeterUK

Glad you decided to come and skulk here Septic,perhaps you can answer a question,if your party of millionaires and moonbats wins power what exactly are you going to do?

PeterUK

"Deciderer",'kin' what????????????

Semanticleo

"Cheney just said that neither he nor the President would appear before congress if subpoenaed."

I can hear the 'pffts' as I write this. Think about the possibility that the executive branch has gone totally barmy and reuses to step down in '08. Martial law on the pretext
'National Security Concerns' (what else?)
would make a half-witted Mushareff type regime
for the good of America. Preposterous?

Read the quote above, again.

maryrose

Elizabeth Dole got off one zinger on MTP before they literally shut her down in responding. Russert kept interrupting to push his own personal partisan agenda and shouted her down in allowing her to speak. Rahm and Schumer got all the time they wanted. Disgusting display!

clarice

Well maybe Russert read Walton's footnote and was preoccupied.

maryrose

Why Should President Bush and Vice-president Cheney waste any of their precious fighting against terrorism on the loser democrats in Congress that want us to lose.

maryrose

should have included the word "time" in above post.

PeterUK

"I can hear the 'pffts' as I write this."

No Septic,more "Faaaarrrpp!"

SunnyDay

cbolt -
That's it? That's all? No context? Libby case? NSA? CIA detention? Renditions? Vote fraud?

that's it, really. Steph. said that there is talk that if the dems win the house there will be investigations (now referred to as oversight). Then he asked if Cheney would testify if subpoenaed. Cheney said no, and that President Bush wouldn't either.

C. said they don't have to, and that no president ever has. Steph said the Gerald Ford did. Cheney replied that it was not in answer to a subpoena, that Ford testified voluntarily. Steph dropped the subject and went on to another question.

Jane

Liddy Dole needs to be replaced. I don't think she does us any favors. I had to turn the channel when all the backtalk started, so maybe she accomplished something.

SunnyDay

Well maybe Russert read Walton's footnote and was preoccupied.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

She can talk rings around all of them. And she's never shrill, always a lady, always smiling.

SunnyDay

Really, Jane? I love watching her on TV. Almost as much as watching Rummy's press conferences. ;)

SunnyDay

Cleo, that's why we call ya'll the nutroots.

Semanticleo

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Semanticleo

strike 'rightroots', insert 'dementiaroots'

PeterUK

Semanticleo,
We don't want your analyst's report,answer the question what is your party of millionaires and moonbats going to do if you win?
You wouldn't want us to think that all you wanted was power for its own sake,now would you.

Patrick R. Sullivan

'A vain thin-skinned condescending blueblood with no sense of his own ridiculousness, Senator Nuancy Boy is secure in little else except his belief in his indispensability.'

Guess who said that about whom.

Charles Martin

Leo, do you have any idea how many times I've heard idiots make that same supposition in the last 50 years?

Let's see:

- Clinton in 99
- Clinton in 95
- Bush the Elder in 192
- Reagan in the 84 election
- Nixon in 72
- Johnson in 67=68

That's six. The only exceptions seem to be Ford, who no one thought had any particular power, and Carter, who everyone knew was vulnerable to the power of supernatural rabbits and so couldn't have made it work.

Jane

Really, Jane? I love watching her on TV. Almost as much as watching Rummy's press conferences. ;)

Not me. Last week on Stephanopolus was the last straw. I just don't think she ever says anything.

anonymous

Why Should President Bush and Vice-president Cheney waste any of their precious fighting against terrorism on the loser democrats in Congress that want us to lose.

Posted by: maryrose | November 05, 2006 at 09:47 AM

For the answer to your question, you might want to look into the meaning of the word "subpoena." A review of the Constitution of the U.S. may provide further enlightenment.

clarice

WaPo and NYT ombudsmen come clean on slanted coverage--sort of:

http://www.democracy-project.com/

SunnyDay

Oh oh oh - I get it - free the terrorists, subpoena the President!!!

clarice

I keep reading headlines like "The national mood is so grim".
Is it?
Gas is cheap.
The economy is booming.
The stock market is setting new highs.
There is no real unemployment.

The Iraqi reconstruction is taking longer than I' d like, but, gee, no one said that part would be easy and unbelievably high numbers of Iraqi thrice voted to be free.

Maybe the mood is grim in the pressrooms, cause it isn't anywhere else I can see.

T Miller

Gas is cheap? What planet are you driving on?

Terrye

Gas is cheaper, put it that way. Of course if the Democrats were not so damn worried about the freaking caribou it would be cheaper.

MikeM

MTP showed true colors this morning. All subject matter anti-administration. Nearly all air time given to Dems (TR pretty much telling Dole to shut-up several times). We probably deserve better government but we darn sure deserve better MSM.

T Miller

Maybe the new Democrats (the so-called moderates and conservatives) will not be so worried about the caribou.

Larry

Gas is cheap? What planet are you driving on?
Posted by: T Miller | November 05, 2006 at 12:08 PM
Earth, Mr T. Adjusted for inflation, 50's gas would be $2.34 a gallon. How much are you paying?

Old Dad

T Miller,

If you adjust for inflation, gas today is relatively cheap. I paid $2.09 last fill-up. That's well below historic averages.

http://www.factsonfuel.org/gasoline/index.html

Terrye

I wonder if the Democrats win on Tuesday and terrorists all over the world start shooting off their AKs and burning American flags in mad clelebration if it will make any difference to the Democrats? Or in fact if it will spur them on in their desire to surrender and make a mockery of America's word?

clarice

I doubt it. I The laws of economics are inexorable but the Dems, like neurotics, keep making the wrong choices and hoping the next time they'll yield the results they like.

Terrye

I live in one of those districts where a new Democrat is running. Ellsworth. He sounds further to the right than Lieberman. Martin would hate him.

My guess is he will shift left when he gets to DC. Bayh did. Evan Bayh was a moderate and popular governor. Now he is sucking up to the Pelosi wing of the party and acting like someone we never heard of. But the Bayh name is a big deal in Indiana so the Hoosiers will probably overlook it.

Syl

Good grief! Why all the doom and gloom? The Reps are surging and there are now even Dem house seats that are in trouble--Georgia and Illinois.

Only 300 supporters showed up for the rally in Michigan for Stabenow and Granholm where Clinton spoke!

Wow...

clarice

Rick, our resident poll genius, predicted MI was in trouble a day or so ago.

Deagle

Larry,

Must live in California...heh ($1.93 here in Texas). Sorry about all those extra taxes you have to pay.

Let me say that Foley (would never effect the voter turnout) and this other evangelist (that I've never heard of) have very little bearing on the election (but of course not according to the leftist Media). It's not like one of our own has no sin... We forgive and carry on...

Lets be honest here... the only major problem with this Congress/President is the Iraq war. Both sides are worried and rightly so. The major difference is the Democrats want to lose, and the Republicans are still searching for a way to win. Now will this translate into local Representive races...who knows but I doubt it.

The ultimate answer is that the Democrats are in a losing position...withdraw and lose (Another Vietnam if they can). That does not and will not justify the vote for Democrats (unless you are a Kerry fan).

In the end, this will be a non-issue which means that again local Representative elections go down to local issues with the Iraq war a very minor player.


clarice

"By rights, the death sentence passed on this evil man ought to be bigger news this weekend than whether an obscure evangelical pastor had sex with a gay prostitute. But, in these fevered days before this week's US elections, the media are too busy insisting the Republicans are doomed to notice stories that underline how important the Iraq invasion was. The local judges, by the way, have done a better job than Slobo's international eminences in the Hague"

http://newsbeat1.com/2006/11/mark-steyn_05.html

cboldt

-- "Only 300 supporters showed up for the rally in Michigan for Stabenow and Granholm where Clinton spoke!" --


Near opening day of deer season?

cboldt

-- "The local judges, by the way, have done a better job than Slobo's international eminences in the Hague" --


I usually agree with Steyn, but maybe not so on this point. The judges at the Hague managed to kill Milosovich, and Saddam is still alive. Bwahahahahahaha.

Syl

You know, there are times you know things intellectually. I mean you see the evidence and hear the opinions about it, yet it's something that's just there but doesn't have meaning deep inside you.

Even though I 'know' the media is pulling for the Dems it just struck me that WE ALL KNOW IT but the media DOESN'T KNOW WE ALL KNOW IT.

I was watching one of CNN's hit shows yesterday and getting angry then it hit me: IT DOESN'T MATTER.

They haven't a clue that we Americans KNOW what they're doing. BOTH the left and right KNOW it. And the media and the left/dems STILL THINK IT MATTERS. LOL

It's like finally cutting the ties with a bad parent. You just leave them behind.

cboldt

-- "Rick, our resident poll genius, predicted MI was in trouble a day or so ago." --


Having lived in Michigan, over 20 years ago and for an extended period of time, I can say with certainty that "Michigan is in trouble" is old news.

PeterUK

Clarice,
There is this amazing insularity,deal with a niclear armed Iram led by a millinarian nut case? Nah impeach Bush.
Contend with a desperatelt dirt poor country,North Korea,which is more concerned with ICBMs than feeding its people? Nah impeach Bush.
Come to terms with the possiblity that a major oil producer,Venezuela,might dissolve into civil war? Nah impeach Bush.
As for mundane matters like AQ,the WoT,how can they possibly compare with "Killing the King"? This is taking on the the atavistic nature of ritual sacrifice to appease the gods.

clarice

Syl--Yes. My husband still can't understand why I won't read the paper. But then he's still astonished when I tell him stuff days before he reads about it there. Go figure.


As far as I'm concerned the only value of a morning paper is that you can hide behind it until enough coffee makes you civil.


Peter, I cannot figure out the mental gymnastics--some is surely due to giant memeory lacunae and overall idiocy...but I think a lot of it is chldish thinking--if we don't acknowledge the genuine nature of the threats we face, they just don't exist.

moneyrunner

Syl,

You have it exactly right. The Drive-By-Media, Mainstream-Media, Old- Media, whatever you want to call it is like someone who has been poisoned. He’s dead; he just doesn’t realize it yet.

Keep in mind that the people who inhabit this bubble don’t get out much. They inhabit their own world because of where they live and what they read. Unless they read the blogs or listen to talk radio, they don’t inhabit the two worlds that “real” people inhabit: the ones in fly-over-country. And they don’t read blogs and don’t listen to Rush because the blogs are too new and Rush is a “hatemonger” so why listen to him?

You and I see two worlds: the world in our neighborhoods and streets where 90% of America lives and the other world inhabited by the denizens of the media bubble. We know the second world because we read what they write and watch their TV productions. But can you imagine living in their world where there is only one “correct” view?

That’s why reality does not penetrate. They see the loss of circulation and ratings but don’t know how to deal with it. They are the “enlightened” and to adjust their views would be to go over to the dark side. So as their readership and viewer-ship shrinks they become more and more shrill. Like the man in a foreign country who thinks that he can communicate better with the natives by talking louder.

JM Hanes

"Only 300 supporters showed up for the rally in Michigan for Stabenow and Granholm where Clinton spoke!"

I can see the headline now:
Clinton Still Packs 'Em In ...(Jump)...to Hotel Ballroom.

In contrast to:
Seats Half Empty at Bush Rally...(Jump)...in Stadium Designed to Accomodate State of Georgia.

JM Hanes

"The judges at the Hague managed to kill Milosovich, and Saddam is still alive."

Nah, the Devil just got tired of hanging around for a verdict. Ironic that Milo's popularity grew over the neverending course of his trial, isn't it?

Barney Frank

strike 'rightroots', insert 'dementiaroots'

Strike Cleo, insert broomstick.

Syl

clarice

As far as I'm concerned the only value of a morning paper is that you can hide behind it until enough coffee makes you civil.

LOL

But only if, instead of reading, we're busy putting on makeup and combing our hair behind the paper screen.

Deagle

Syl,

You still watch CNN! Hmmm, I guess someone has to if we want to keep up to date on what the opposition party is up to.. Sooo..., I thank you...

Praise those that perform ungodly acts...

Syl

I was just writing down some thoughts on communication between my cat and I (which will never see the light of day--just interesting to think about).

I think the basis for communication is to let the other know what your intentions are. You lay out your beliefs which show the other what you intend to do under certain circumstances.

Akin, in a way, to aggressive or submissive and other body language in an animal.

Humans are not perfect communicators, hence politics, the art of pursuasion. You intend to do one thing, but you communicate to the other that either you don't intend to do that or that the thing is not what the other person believes it is.

The problem the Democrats have is that they have NO clear communication about their intentions AT ALL. They are sending mixed messages concerning both Iraq and Bush. Concerning spending and taxation. Concerning social issues. Concerning guns and borders. Concerning terrorists!

Just a cackle of separate voices.


Syl

Deagle

I don't sit and watch CNN normally. But I channel surf. I even catch Chris Matthews and other junk on MSNBC. Even C-SPAN has been maddening lately. I don't watch network tv shows--haven't for years and years--and don't want to sit long enough to watch an entire movie.

So I've caught a lot of other stuff lately--like a nice show on mountain music--lots of bluegrass which I love. Or weather channel stuff or animal planet or Futurama reruns!

(Though I actually wrote the Cartoon Network in anger when they cancelled Hamtaro! I miss Hamtaro!)

SunnyDay

Hisotry channel was good today - Entebbe and then asteroids and stuff.

No politics at all. :)

windansea

Newsweek throws Kerry under the bus and then backs up over him.

“There is not a Democrat in Washington who thinks John Kerry is a viable presidential candidate after last week"

“Is America a country where you can learn from something or isn’t it?” he asked. “Why did Ronald Reagan get to run four times for the nomination? Why is John McCain running for the second time? Didn’t he get his ass kicked around South Carolina by George Bush for not being patriotic enough?”

Kerry put down his fork. His meatballs lay in ruins. “I always thought that in America you do get a second chance,” he said. It’s the third chances that are harder to come by.

PeterUK

Windansea,

"Kerry put down his fork. His meatballs lay in ruins."

Perleeese!!!This guy can't even use cutlery?

clarice

EHEHEHE--It was an odd turn of phrase wasn't it, PUK? (He probably didn't know what meatballs are.)

windansea

PUK

Before they quote Lurch at the end, the dejected Brahmin was observed poking at his meatballs, furious that Ron and John got second chances, but not him.

Jounalism at it's finest

windansea

First Joe and now Lurch, Dems aren't very loyal are they? That's 50% of their last two Presidential tickets.

Jane

Boy it will be poetic justice if John Kerry loses this for the dems. This is a good read on that subject.

Bay State dems the best thing to happen to GOP


http://news.bostonherald.com/columnists/
view.bg?articleid=165738&format=&page=1

Gary Maxwell

Pay attention to the black vote in two races. Steele in Md and The combined numbers for Perry and Strayhorn in Texas. Right now its like 25% to Steele and 50% to Perry and Strayhorn ( Republican running as an independent ) combined. Once the Indians leave the reservation they find a whole new world out there. Many will never return. Even in what may be a bit of a rise for the Dems there are quite ominous signs.

And perhaps I have not given Republicans credit for being able to figure out how to run a write in campaign in Texas 22. All indications are the Sekula -Gibbs is very close. Couldnt happen to a nicer guy than Lampson.

PeterUK

Clarice,
From henceforth all failure will be,"His meatballs lay in ruins".

clarice

Shorten it to meatballs, and it works for me.(What a loathesome creature.)

PeterUK

Windansea,
"dejected Brahmin was observed poking at his meatballs, furious that Ron and John got second chances, but not him."

Sorry but the man shouldn't play with his food,if he won't eat his meatballs,he is not getting any "seconds".He is a liberal,he should know all about wasting good food with all those stsarving millions.

PeterUK

Clarice.
"The Massachussetts Meatball"?

clarice

Perfect.

Syl

None of the pundits, including the conservative ones, GET what the Kerry flap did. It reminded us all of 2004 and our enthusiasm!

It wasn't an oh, yeah, I remember we beat his ass back then.

It was a more muscular visceral memory of what it FELT like to fight for the win!

The adrenaline, the excitement, we got it all back!

THAT's what the Kerry gaff means.

clarice

I hope you are right,Syl. He is so detestable.

Paul

Re Tom's original post. What does TradeSports have to do with anything. These gamblers knew that Edith Clement would replace Sandra O'Connor.

TradeSports reflects conventional wisdom and CW is often wrong.

Larry

They're still letting him play with sharp objects.

Jane

Syl,

I hope you are right. That is how it feels to me too.

maryrose

windansea:
"50% of their last two presidential tickets"
This is so ironic because the only reason Gore got close was because of Lieberman. Gore was obnoxious as was Kerry. It was so funny today to see a clip of John Edwards as a spokesperson for dems instead of Kerry!
"the Meatball from Massachusetts" is so apt. Kerry will go to his grave convinced he was"swiftboated" again.

maryrose

I am still am going to predict that the repubs hold both Houses of Congress.
clarice: your coffee comments are classic. Mornings in the faculty are actually dangerous as people wait in line for that first cup of joe.

maryrose

should read faculty room in above post.

Terrye

Syl:

Kerry also reminded people of what a bunch of crybaby losers the Democrats can be.

And you are right, they are all over the place. Ellsworth has said that he thinks Bush screwed up in Iraq [surprise] but he does not support cut and run. Meanwhile Pelosi is saying that after the Dems win they will begin to deploy. Who to believe?

Meatball

My life lies in ruins because of this man.

Terrye

I have to admit that watching TV news is like torture for me. I know I know we right wingers are supposed to like torture.

Today I did not even watch any news at all and after the Foley thing broke I was so disgusted that I did not even watch Fox much less CNN.

Time to return I guess. It is my duty to be informed.

Some people think I am a little too informed in fact. A tad obsessive. {she said waiting anxiously for the Gallup poll on the generic vote spread}

JM Hanes

"“There is not a Democrat in Washington who thinks John Kerry is a viable presidential candidate after last week."

After last week? Was anybody but Kerry actually suggesting he still had a presidential future the week before that?

The Unbeliever

Was anybody but Kerry actually suggesting he still had a presidential future the week before that?

No one. Not even John Edwards' hair.

Syl

Terrye

Yeah. Each Dem says something different. It's like, vote for a new direction. Once we take control we'll figure something out. or not.

PeterUK

"Roll up, roll up for the Democrat mystery tour, step right this way.
Roll up, roll up for the mystery tour.
Roll up, roll up for the mystery tour.
Roll up GOT AN INVITATION, roll up for the mystery tour.
Roll up TO MAKE A RESERVATION, roll up for the mystery tour.
The Democrat mystery tour is waiting to take you away,
Waiting to take you away."

maryrose

Rahm on MTP tried to articulate the dem position on Iraq. Half of what he was talking about is stuff the Bush administration is already doing-like re-building Iraq. Re-deployment to a place far away also figured in the dem strategy. Then Schumer tried to say that 39 dems voted on something that was incomprehensible to me. Dems are LOST on this issue and I wish they were part of the TV show Lost-on some island somewhere.

maryrose

Terrye:
I was on retreat for 2 and a half days and came back to find Chafee ahead, Burns -even Corker-way ahead, DeWine-down by only 6 with Kean-behind, and Steele at 50/50. What a difference a couple of days makes.

Syl

Terrye

Don't forget to tell your brother to vote on Wednesday!

Peeps, the tide is turning! Rumor is that Gallup is coming out tonite with a generic of Dem +5.

Which makes Time and Newsweek outliars (yes, I spelled that correctly). WaPo and Pew have 6 and 4 respectively.

Fred Barnes has said (earlier, much earlier) that if the Dems are up by 6 or below in the generic, the Reps keep Congress.

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