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Elliott

Fitz!!!!!!

Sue

Tom!

Tom Bowler

Elliott, you've been hanging around FDL too, too long.

lurkerama

Schlitz!

Syl

Wells!

Rick Ballard

If they were questioning count 3 then there is a fair chance that irresistable force has met immovable object. Sending the question to the judge might well have been a "look dummy, there's no there there and if you don't believe us, maybe you'll believe the judge" move.

I sure hope that whoever is taking notes inside the jury room volunteers for an interview afterwards.

Elliot - you need some help with spelling, it's Putz!!!.

Sue

Schlitz!

Ewww...gag!

Patrick

Ok Sue, how about just "Beer!"

Sue

Ok Sue, how about just "Beer!"

Okay! ::grin::

james

"Return of the Jury!"

And don't forget the prequel, "The Umpire Strikes Back!"

CAL

Somehow I think "The Phantom Menace" is the most accurate summation of this fiasco.

lurkerama

Uh oh. I hear the jurors have changed from jeans into footie pajamas.

PMII

There have been discussions on both how long the jury will take and how Ph D's can make things over complicated.

I think we could starting see fights among the jurors if it lasts past this week.

clarice

When the jury asks for paper, scissors, rock, I'm giving up.

hit and run

Patrick:
Ok Sue, how about just "Beer!"


Huh!!??!? What!!?!? Did somebody call?!?!

hit and run

Merritt!!!!!!!

Elliott

Tom Bowler:

No contest on FDL. In my defense, I didn't see Hit and Run around and asked myself, "WWH&RD?" A dangerous question, apparently.

Rick Ballard:

"Fi-[sob]-ii-[sob]-[sob]-itz..." would be quite a wonderful thing to hear. I am holding out hope.

Also, since it languishes at the bottom of the Note III thread, I am resubmitting my question on Plame House:

Shouldn't FDL's Washington headquarters be called "The Lake House?" They must be getting mail from 2009 if they think Fitz will bring down Cheney next.

Posted by: Elliott | March 01, 2007 at 07:47 AM

hit and run

Thank you for picking up the slack Elliott.

If you ever need me, just mention some form of booze - and I'll come running, oh yes I will, to see you again. Don't you know that, winter spring summer or fall, all ya got to do is call.....whoa.....sorry.

Sue

all ya got to do is call.....whoa.....sorry.

ROTFLMAO...

Jarndyce v Jarndyce

The Grudge: Part III

It never forgives. It never forgets. It never has enough Post-it notes...

Sue

Elliott,

Everytime I think about the "Plame House" I get pissed. Some little girl over at the swamp just got a job and hit the tip jar so the richest freakin' woman amongst them can stay free in DC. While wearing her designer boots. It makes my teeth itch, to use a phrase from Clarice.

clarice

Imagine how much airbrushing this will entail:
"But the latest move by globe trotting, hyper-liberal billionaire George Soros borders on being too much. According to papers filed with the SEC, in the fourth quarter of 2006 Soros purchased nearly 2 million shares of ... hold your breath ... Halliburton."

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/3776

hit and run

BTW, Schlitz really isn't half bad.

I mean, if you buy a 12 pack of say Warsteiner, and make the Schlitz the second 12 you drink, and have a couple of shots of tequila between 12 packs.

PMII

Schlitz is defintity the second 12 pack.

Can the jury drink their lunch? Maybe that's the problem. And they're using all these supplies for some sort of drinking game.

Not That Patrick

Clarice, don't you think Soros just wants to see the books? It's not like he wouldn't be willing to pay.

clarice

Oh, it now represents 2 % of his entire portfolio. I think he's a serious investor in Halliburton.
Now, will Move On and Media Matters and the VIPS and all his other Bushitler/CheneyHalliburton crowd refuse to continue to take his filthy lucre? HEH

Nick Kasoff - The Thug Report

Of course not, Clarice. So long as he's writing checks, those folks will take 'em. And so would I. It's amazing how much fun you can have with a couple of mil ...

Nick Kasoff
The Thug Report

PMII

The issue is never what they do. It's just what they say. Look at Gore, global warming, & his electric bill.

centralcal

I put a clothespin on my nose and borrowed a pal's duck club waders and moseyed over to the cesspool to see if they had any good jury gossip and instead found this (by the well shod, but poorly dressed Jane Hamsher):

"As we wait for the jury to deliberate, I think it is time we all admit that our Vice President — who is at the heart of this trial — is seriously insane. On the heels of the off-his-meds Blitzer bit, he is making himself an international menace of Dr. Strangelovian proportions."

Have you ever noticed how people who are crazy think it is everyone else who is crazy? Or am I crazy for thinking that way?

Other Tom

Jarndyce v. Jarndyce. Perfect. "People were born into the case, and died while it was still in progress." Bleak House.

Gary Maxwell

I was going to write in response to Clarice "heck no, they will make excuses for him just like they are continuing to do for the Goracle ." But it seems some sharper tools beat me to it. I thought of it first...

PMII

centralcal,

I saw the that post minutes ago and had the same thoughts. It really bad over there.... I'm not going back.

Not That Patrick

You may be right, Clarice, but I'll be surprised if this turns out to be merely a financial play.

Other Tom

I love Hamsher's wording, "it's time we all admit..." What she means is, it's time you admit. With her, it's not an admission at all--it's an accusation. But what the hell...

JT

Centralcal -- I too wandered into that cesspool (sadly without the waders, does anyone have a match and some gasoline so I can burn my clothing?)

Yesterday, one of my co-workers admitted to me that he had attended a liberal arts college and that the brainwashing is just now starting to fade, it has only taken 20 years.

PMII

I would love to see Cheney run for President - just for a day to watch them implode.....

Rick Ballard

"Shouldn't FDL's Washington headquarters be called "The Lake House?" They must be getting mail from 2009 if they think Fitz will bring down Cheney next."

Elliot,

Isn't "The Swamp Shack" a better description? "The Lake House" hints at refinement and that's just not on over in the Swamp. "The Swamp Shack" carries a connotation of a slack jawed banjo picker sitting on a porch providing evidence of the result of thorough inbreeding. Much more fitting.

Patrick

"WWH&RD" That is awesome.

Patrick

Booze!

centralcal

There was an old sci-fi movie (Invasion of the Body Snatchers?) where people would go to sleep and wake up with an umbilical cord attached to a watermelon-like pod.

Sometimes these really "passionate" liberals scare the bejeebus out of me and I start trying to peer around and see if there is a pod or somethin' attached to them. I am pretty sure Alan Colmes has one hidden under the table on H & C.

royf

I would love to see Cheney run for President

I wish that he would, he would make a great President. I consider Dick Cheney a great and a truly ethical American, something that is never credited to Mr Cheney is his true generousity.

Dick Cheney Donates Millions to Charity


In one of the largest sums ever donated to charity by a U.S. public official, Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife Lynne gave away nearly $7 million last year to help the poor and to medical research.

According to income tax information released by the White House on Friday, the Cheneys' adjusted gross income in 2005 was $8,819,006.

(snip)

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/15/02358.shtml?s=ic

Gary Maxwell

Swamp Shack????


I was thinking something a bit more catchy like


"Catty Shack"

meow Nice kitty kitty

lurkerama

New Juror note: "Can we please have a karaoke machine and the lyrics to 'I Am Telling You I'm Not Going'?"

Pofarmer

Isn't "The Swamp Shack"

O.k. The B-52's just popped into my head

Swamp shack, baby Swamp shack
Swamp shack baaabbbbyyyyy.

Pofarmer

Dangit

Rick Ballard

You can check your close tags in Preview. HINT

Elliott

Since this is an open thread, I wondered what everyone thinks of something that Sue and I were discussing on the Jury Instructions thread earlier.

Aside from Fleischer's testimony (and maybe Judy's) did the Prosecution present any evidence (in Judy's case "evidence") that Libby knew the name "Plame" or was aware that she had a role in sending Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, IV™ on his mission? I was looking this morning in response to a question by Kazinski on the Jury Instructions thread and I didn't find any. It also reminded me of a theory I think I saw here somewhere that Libby could have been surprised when one of the reporters told him that Plame had sent her husband, if he had not, in fact, previously been given information.

The Fleischer testimony seemed the biggest obstacle, but MJW suggested that Fleischer correctly remembered Libby saying that the OVP didn't send Wilson, but three months later he simply assumed that Libby had mentioned Plame and her role in sending her husband as well.

Then, Sue suggested this morning that if Libby had been talking about the mission he could have told Fleischer that people in counter-proliferation at the CIA were responsible for sending Wilson, a fact Grenier testifies to telling Libby.

If the Prosecution hasn't established that Libby was even aware of some of what Fleischer attributes to him in that conservation (i.e., Plame sending her husband) then it would seem that we're in "Impossible Tim" territory with respect to the conversation transpiring the way Fleischer said it did.

And if Fleischer is wrong, isn't it more than plausible that one of those reporters said something that really did surprise Libby?

clarice

I think you're right, Elliott, but I do not think that may have been brought home to the jury.

Pofarmer

You can check your close tags in Preview. HINT

In my own defense, I think that one carried from up above. Preview is for sissies.

Gary Maxwell

If you have not seen it Nifong has filed his long awaited response to the ethic violation charges he faces in front of the State Bar. To my eye, its pretty pitiful and most lawyers I have read that have digested it get to something like " well his lawyers did a decent job with a weak hand". You will be interested to know that witholding evidence that is exculpatory is ok, per Nifong right up until the trial date. Couple this with NC having no speedy trial statue and its result if true, is that a innocent poor man could rot in jail for a long time awaiting a trial date when only the Prsecutor knows that exculaptory evidence could clear him.

Daniel

What annoys me the most about this crazy trial is the enormous mismatch between the behavior of the Special Prosecutor and the main purpose of his appointment.

A public hullaballoo (you spell it) broke out over Ambassador Wilson's mission, when he spoke about it, and told the press stories about it. The press amplified his charges and promulgated stories about it, some of which were perhaps a bit inaccurate.
Various government agencies reacted to these stories with what they claimed were attempts to set the record straight.
Eventually, David Corn raised the claim that laws were broken in the government's reaction. Apparently, someone at CIA made a formal complaint alleging the truth of Corn's claim, and the prosecutor was appointed to investigate this complaint.

I believe that the main purpose of this investigation was to clear the air of the conflicting claims and adverse publicity against the government that some of these claims involve. In other words, it was not so much to resolve the legal issue, as to inform the public of what actually had happened and give the public a clear view of the truth in this controversy.

To my mind, some sort of investigation other than appointment of a special prosecutor should have been utilized to accomplish this aim.

In fact, the prosecutor appointed limited his activity to the legal question and ignored the "clearing the air" purpose of his investigation.

I believe strongly that we should suggest some sort of alternate mechanism for informing the public in controversies of this kind. The way this was handled was the very opposite of what was needed to clear the air.

Ultimately, the Special Prosecutor (apparently) came to the conclusion that no law was violated in regard to this matter. In other words, if this is correct, and the lack of indictments so far for any crime related to the claimed violation indicate it is correct, he gave the administration and the federal government in general, a clean bill of health on this matter.

However, he did so in a manner that seems to have been aimed at punishing the administration anyway, with the Libby indictment. It almost seems he did this to conceal the fact that he decided the controversy in favor of the administration.

The real problem is that he learned almost immediately upon appointment that the "leak" that led to Novak's column came from the State Department and was confirmed by a CIA representative, and had nothing to do at all with the White House or Vice President's office.

That it had some conspiratorial evil purpose, as alleged by Corn, instigated by the White house was completely debunked tot he knowledge of the Special Prosecutor immediately on his taking office. Yet he declined to inform the public of these facts for three long years.

This is the attitude the Special Prosecutor took toward informing the public about this controversy.

It is obvious that he did not consider this task to be part of his duties.

It astonishes me that knowing what he knew, he subjected Libby to eight hours of testimony without notes or attorney present. It astonishes me even more, that with all this, he was only able to find the meager Russert and Cooper (and I suppose you should add Miller) discrepancies out of the mine of statements that Libby made with testimony of others.

The silliness of the Cooper discrepancy is mind boggling (According to Cooper or his notes, Libby said "he had heard something and wasn't sure of it"
Libby claimes he said "he had heard it from reporters")

The Miller discrepancy disappeared during the trial.

One gets the impression that the Special Prosecutor pursued these indictments in order to show something for his efforts, and perhaps to justify withholding the information he possessed as to the origin of the Novak column for such a long time.

The conduct of the case also seems strange. The indictments mention only specific statements by Libby, with no claim of purposely tendentious memory. As a result the presiding judge ruled out testimony by memory experts on vagueries of memory. Yet the only arguments I have seen that indicate a basis for conviction is that the jury disbelieve Libby's memory claims; and the prosecutor apparently brought these up in his rebuttal summation.

Can't one find a better way to handle media amplified scandals?

hit and run

Booze!

Posted by: Patrick | March 01, 2007 at 10:21 AM


Huh?!!!??? Wha?!! Hic!

You rang?

hit and run

In my own defense, I think that one carried from up above. Preview is for sissies.

Posted by: Pofarmer | March 01, 2007 at 10:36 AM

Don't mince words...preview is for

meow Nice kitty kitty

Posted by: Gary Maxwell | March 01, 2007 at 10:24 AM

Elliott

Re: last post--my bad!

****Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, IV™©®****

"The Swamp Shack"

Hmmmmmm........

"Down these unclean sewers a man must go who is not himself unclean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid."

clarice

Daniel I think you are far more charitable than I if you believe this:
"I believe that the main purpose of this investigation was to clear the air of the conflicting claims and adverse publicity against the government that some of these claims involve. In other words, it was not so much to resolve the legal issue, as to inform the public of what actually had happened and give the public a clear view of the truth in this controversy. "

topsecretk9

Dick Cheney Donates Millions to Charity

Meanwhile, George Soros funds 527 hate/anti-war groups with War profiteering ...the dreaded

Soros buys 1.9 million shares in Halliburton.

Pofarmer

Look at who instigated the whole special special prosecutory brouhaha, and then see if you think the same way, Daniel.

This was always about punishing the administration. And the administration bent over backwards to facilitate it.

Gary Maxwell

Hey I did not use italiato. It was the post above me, which was not even there when I started typing.

I have "larwyned" the thread a time or two in the past, but this time I did not Nifong it all to hell.

lurkerama

hi.

inside source

Mr. Foreman, Juror #7 is passing notes to Juror #9!

maryrose

H&R:
TeQuila...

Other Tom

I believe that until recently the largest shareholder in Hallburton was none other than Lady Bird Johnson. She got a ton of Halliburton shares back when they acquired Brown & Roor, as I recall it.

I am sure as hell wondering what could possibly be going on in there. They've had six full days of deliberations now, minus a bit for the juror question episode and the power outage. I just can't figure it. Guess I'll have to come up with prediction number 11, or whatever is is...

inside source

You want the right movie analogy to what's going on at the courthouse? The Exterminating Angel.

miriam

The more I learn about this the more I think that the Libby trial is a personal vendetta from Fitz.

He's still pi**ed because of Rich.

hit and run

centralcal:

I am pretty sure Alan Colmes has one hidden under the table on H & C.

By the way, after the confusion last night, if anyone sees Jeralyn, please tell her that I am better looking than Alan.

Of course what am I saying, you bunch of turncoats.

plamehouse lover

Why all the animosity today? You say all these horrible things about Plamehouse yet you continually crib all the information you can get your grubby greasy hands on. Is it possible that you have 'plamehouse envy?' It's not too late to go over there and delurk and thank FDL for giving you this coverage that you all love to complain about. Yes, we all donated money to pay for Plamehouse. It was funded by the people for the people even for you. We wanted to know the truth no matter what the outcome of the trial is. It's not too late to go to the lake jump in and stay awhile. Jane left her hospital bed and rushed to DC so that we could all be privy to the trial. You are demeaning yourselves with all the petty remarks. What have you done to make this all possible? Nada.

clarice

Work on it OT--Your powers of deduction cracked, I think the "classified" status mystery. I'm counting on you once again.

Charlie (Colorado)

slack Elliott

What the hell is a "slack Elliott"?

sbw

Preview is for people who say preview is for sissies.

bRight & Early

What the hell is a "slack Elliott"?

Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | March 01, 2007 at 10:59 AM

I think I got an email saying it could correct that condition earlier today.

Gary Maxwell

Jane left her hospital bed and rushed to DC...


Boy the tears just naturally started to flow when I read that. What a saint!

Barney Frank

--What have you done to make this all possible? Nada.--

That's what's known as a clear conscience.

Elliott

Charlie (Colorado):

I suppose plamehouse lover is right. There just isn't the commaty around here there is most days.

Rick Ballard

"It was funded by the people for the people even for you."

And if you don't believe me, just ask George Soros.

BarbaraS

Is it possible that you have 'plamehouse envy?'

Not in a million years

It's not too late to go over there and delurk and thank FDL for giving you this coverage that you all love to complain about

in your dreams

You are demeaning yourselves with all the petty remarks.

Your point?

Jane

Pssst H&R - do me a favor... I'm just returning from a liquid lunch in honor of turning the speed limit in a few days, and I can't for the life of me figure out what is going on. Can you give me a cryptic update so no one knows....?

Thanks

roanoke

Plame-house-lover-
That's got to leave some splinters -don't ya think?

Sue

Is it possible that you have 'plamehouse envy?'

Bwahahahaha! Yep, that describes me, envious of the swampettes. Well, actually, I do envy them being at the courthouse, but I also envy Aldon Hynes for the same reason. ::grin::

centralcal

Oh, now, now H&R - I have never confused you with H&C (you aren't dragging around a watermelon-like pod are you?).

I bet Jeralyn was relieved too! Colmes has that funny jumping eyebrow thingy -- sometimes I try to guestimate how many inches up and down that eybrow can travel during an interview!

roanoke

Maybe you use WD 40 instead of KY?

Just sayin'

Jane

Jane left her hospital bed and rushed to DC so that we could all be privy to the trial.

(liguid lunch defense) Oh puleasssse.

Get lost already.

Other Tom

Plamehouse Lover, I'd gladly take you up on your suggestion, but it seems that I was long ago banned from posting there, simply for departing from the plantation's orthodoxy. FDL has something akin to the PC speech code of a modern American university. On the other hand, as you can see, here at JOM dissent is tolerated quite nicely. Of course, if you don't have your facts nailed down, you'll get shreded, but hell, we're all adults.

Sue

What have you done to make this all possible?

Why, sugar, we gave you the Bush administration, without which you wouldn't have had Scooter and Shooter. You can thank us for making all this possible.

Rick Ballard

Sue,

Could you please give that CheChe brat a whack? She's shorting my keyboard.

Charlie (Colorado)

Plamehouse lover? One word:

paragraphs.

Barney Frank

--It's not too late to go to the lake jump in and stay awhile.--

Think I'll wait until my chain mail trunks arrive.
Firedoglake appears to be replenished by a limitless stream of Kool Aid and stocked with an assortment of groupers, pirahna, and box jellyfish.

Other Tom

Here's my latest effort, Clarice: I think we're looking at a hung jury on all counts. I think if there were unanimity for conviction on one or more counts, by this time those who would like to see a conviction on the remainder would throw in the towel and say what the hell, at least we nailed him on one count (or two, or whatever) so let's call it a day and let the sentencing proceed. By far the largest differential is between zero counts and one, and I think that if they had that one by now they'd be willing to settle for it. The fact that they're still going at it suggests that they don't have the one conviction--yet. Make sense?

Sue

Could you please give that CheChe brat a whack

Wouldn't do any good. Thankfully, they don't reproduce over there.

plamehouse lover

Rick Ballard, No funding of any kind was used except from the FDL commenters. That was the whole purpose of Plamehouse. When funding is accepted only from commenters then there is no agenda only the truth. Let the trial outcome be as it will. It will not change the the fact that Plamehouse was for the people by the people even for you too.

centralcal

George Carlin's 7 dirty words that are not allowed on television: (drumroll please)

found on 384,788 pages of top Lefty Blogs -
found on 21,319 pages of top Righty Blogs -

a difference of 18 to 1.

http://newsbuckit.blogspot.com

clarice

plamehouselover, you contributed to that? Cool , my friend PUK has a business proposition he'd like to whisper in your ear--it's about offsets. (He also is selling stars, in case you're interested in that, too.)

centralcal

Shoot - and that was just dirty words. What about references to violence and threats of violence? When it comes to getting ugly, left blogs blow away the competition, that's for sure.

Charlie (Colorado)

When funding is accepted only from commenters then there is no agenda only the truth.

I have the terrifying feeling plamehouse lover believes this.

Legal Lurker

Plamehouse Lover: I too was ripped to shreds when I dared to challenge the FDL orthodoxy. Not a very tolerant group to say the least. Frankly, I would much rather associate with the JOM crowd -- a much better class of people and, hard as it may be for you and your crowd to believe, they actually are capable of logical and critical thinking.

Gary Maxwell

Yeah but did PUK get off his sick bed , I thinks NOT!

Sue

I have the terrifying feeling plamehouse lover believes this.

She does.

Charlie (Colorado)

Frankly, I would much rather associate with the JOM crowd -- a much better class of people....

Not that this is setting the bar very high.

clarice

PUK can also pull strings and get the entire crowd on the ZANU PF dirt farmers' counsel. Something to think about when the trial is over---just in case Fitz doesn't go ahead to impeach Cheney and Bush.

BarbaraS

It will not change the the fact that Plamehouse was for the people by the people even for you too.

Do I hear violin music or a drum roll in the background?

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