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May 09, 2007

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clarice

BTW, Besides taking a lot from Soros, Obama is also getting tons of dough from hedge fund owners.

gmax

In the world of investment banking, hedge funds are the sharks of the reef. High risk and high returns and a certain ruthlessness in their treatment of all. So if you have ever met a Goldman Sachs or First Boston guy and thought them a bit pushy or demanding, think of that guy on steroids and you got hedge funds. Once upon a time their function in the food chain was handled by the friendly neighborhood loan shark. $10 on Tuesday, pay back $20 next Friday upon receiving your paycheck. Dont pay and get a lump on your head and 4 slashed tires.

Jeff Dobbs

From Geraghty on The Hillary Spot from a Chicago Daily Herald article:

Hillary:

“When I was growing up, the neighborhoods I lived in were surrounded by farm fields, and every harvest season we had a lot of the migrants who come up from Mexico, through Texas, following the harvest, all the way up through Illinois and Michigan,”

Encyclopedia of Chicago:

“Many of the farms on Chicago’s Far Northwest and Southwest Sides disappeared in the face of the speculative building boom of the 1920s. Industrial and residential developers began to work on suburban farmland convenient to bus, truck, and automobile traffic.”

From Park Ridge's Official History:

“The agrarian society was changed by the Industrial Revolution, and by the time of our incorporation in 1873, Park Ridge had been transformed from an agricultural community to an affluent business town.”

And Geraghty concludes:

This was probably after she was named for Edmund Hillary, and before she tried to join the Marines...


cathyf
In the world of investment banking, hedge funds are the sharks of the reef. High risk and high returns and a certain ruthlessness in their treatment of all.
Actually, their returns are not high in light of the riskiness of what they are doing. In order to ward off catastrophic losses, they rely on precision and absolute focus and control over what they are doing. Personality wise, they remind me a lot of surgeons -- who also get paid very highly to do a job where there is no margin for error.
clarice

Yeah H & R, I read that article the other day. It's hard to tell who is the bigger fabulist, Hillary! or Kerry.

gmax

In the same way that Tony Soprano reminds you of a surgeon? The Mafia has a lot of precision and focus too. Doesn't mean you have to like the results.

And dont get me wrong, I applaud the Hedge funds and their unabashed enthusiasm for capitalism. I just cant keep a straight face while listening to the Two Americas speech any more.

cathyf

Nah, gmax, Tony Soprano's got way more social skills and a much smaller ego than the typical surgeon or hedge-fund manager.

PeterUK.

"It's hard to tell who is the bigger fabulist, Hillary! or Kerry."

Killary?

clarice

H & R , bless his heart , is still cynical:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/05/obamafueled_cynicism.html>Obaminations

PeterUK.

Psssst! Anyone want to buy a pre-owned fabulist,one used Prime Minister,only ten years on the clock.

Jeff Dobbs

Obama's cynicalization of politics is going to drive me to drink.

The problem is, when I'm done drinking, his cynicalization can't drive me home.

clarice

Everything drives you to drink.

PeterUK.

Be green, ride a bicynical.

StephenC

ts,
Where did you find the Black trial transcript, please?

SunnyDay

I like the "Fun with Captions" piece myself. Nice work!

Jeff Dobbs

A little more fun with Obama from that same Detroit speech?

Obama wants to end the "tyranny of oil"...

At the dawn of the twenty-first century, the country that faced down the tyranny of fascism and communism is now called to challenge the tyranny of oil.

…by pushing biofuels...

The Obama-Harkin fuel standard embraces the growth of the renewable fuels market, including corn-based ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel

...to usher in the "tyranny of corn"?

…environmentalists have warned that the biofuel craze can do as much or more damage to the environment as dirty fossil fuels—a concern reflected throughout the [U.N.] report, which was being released Tuesday in New York, by U.N.-Energy, a consortium of 20 U.N. agencies and programs.

Please tell me that Obama is not driven on this issue in this direction to this level of forcefulness by the fact that his home state of Illinois is the second largest producer of corn in the U.S. and that Iowa, a key state in the Democratic primaries is the largest.

Because that would be cynical.


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(disclaimer: this is not an argument against decreasing dependence on foreign oil or against biofuels per se. It is a question of Obama's motivation AND a chance to use the phrase "tyranny of corn". I don't know, that phrase just makes me laugh)

hoosierhoops

A few thoughts for you few folks before I run out to the Indy Racetrack for the day..
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Hoosierhoops -- 61% OF registered Democrats believe George Bush did kill or could have killed 3000 Americans on 9/11

mmm..no..That places the poll at 6 out of every 10 Dems buying into that garbage..
I've met ONE person in 5 years that believes that nonsense..Of course my view comes from the middle of endless rows of corn, ( We are really green here ) not the cynical world inside the beltway. If Clarice posts that poll I would have more of a tendency to take her word for it..
otherwise..a purely crap augument for calling democratic americans commie's and killers of soldiers.. pure crap.. enough said on that topic..please.
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Edwards is done. A joke as a pol and an embarrassment as a person. Doesn't surprise me he made his millions as a lawyer.
Why are lawyers and sperm alike? Only one in a hundred million do any good at all.
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Ok..You folks have a great Friday, I'm heading out to watch really really fast cars go in circles. I'm sure some genius ( read Gore)will decree it cause global warming someday so I'd better get it in now.
Regards,

clarice

Turn your "I'm For Hil" button inside out before heading there, Hoosier--and have a good time.

Jeff Dobbs

SunnyDay:
I like the "Fun with Captions" piece myself. Nice work!


You know, I really got a block trying to come up with a caption. You would think that that would be such a target rich environment with which to work....yet....nothing came.

Eexcept perhaps a "Ripped from the headlines" caption:

Local resident Monty Johnson pictured here at the property his family has owned since before the Great Depression is forced to sell and move after Democratic presidential nominee John Edwards moves in next door and builds a 28,000 square foot house which has led to a rise in property taxes that Johnson, a registered Republican and ardent Rudy Giuliani supporter, cannot afford. Edwards, who has based his campaign on a theme of "Two Americas" divided between the rich and poor was unavailable for comment for this story, although his wife Elizabeth Edwards has referred to Johnson as "rabid" and has said she didn't want her children anywhere near him and has also referred to his property as "slummy".

(terribly long, run-on sentences are half purposeful, half laziness)

clarice

Stephen C the cite to that is way up front and was linked to at least twice.I believe it is from the National Post (a Canadian paper)

Jeff Dobbs

hoosier:
I'm sure some genius ( read Gore)will decree it cause global warming someday so I'd better get it in now.

Oooooh, Obama should propose legislation requiring race cars to run on corn-based biofuel......

cathyf
I'm heading out to watch really really fast cars go in circles. I'm sure some genius ( read Gore)will decree it cause global warming someday so I'd better get it in now.
Indy cars run on alcohol, which is, of course a carbon sink. (In order to grow the organic matter that goes into the alcohol, every single molecule of carbon in the plants must by sucked out of the air as CO2 and had the carbon pulled off.) Lots of the carbon doesn't end up in the fuel -- no process is 100% efficient -- so Indy racing is a net carbon sink. So clearly the ecologically sensitive fan should watch more indy racing and less nascar.
clarice

Great,cathy, Now H & R will pose as an indy mechanic to siphon stuff out of the tanks.

Jeff Dobbs

Cathy:
So clearly the ecologically sensitive fan should watch more indy racing and less nascar.


Well I'll be, you learn something new every day. Unless you studiously try to avoid doing so, which, having let my guard down I have not successfully done.

By the way, just got the BOTW email...and the mystery of the early delivery yesterday has been solved. Thank goodness, now I'll be able to sleep tonight:


Editor's note: Everyone has reason to be happy today. We're happy because we're off fishing.

SunnyDay

terribly long, run-on sentences are half purposeful, half laziness and a lot of fun!

Have another chuckle - read the comments here

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/ 2007/05/us_germans_fear.html

take ou the space. It's ABC news "the Blotter" on heightened terrorist threat in Germany.

I especially liked "poor Germany, and they've been so nice to them."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Is that you Rick??

Jeff Dobbs

Clarice:
Now H & R will pose as an indy mechanic to siphon stuff out of the tanks.


Well, being completely ignorant of the chemistry here, I am left with the question....does the production of my beer or bourbon or tequila proceed from carbon sinks as well?

I mean, if I need to drink more to save the planet, I will.

I know, I know, that's just simply too good to be true. But......picture the guy getting pulled over for drinking and driving telling the office, "I'm just engaging in a real-time carbon offset for my driving, occifer. I'm saving to try the planet, uh I mean trying to planet the save, no, I'm, I, Uh, I'm green."

Sue

H&R,

I just read your piece at AT. Good job, BTW. Something caught my eye though. Edwards drives a Canadian made Chrysler 300C? So did John Kerry during the 2004 campaign. I'm not looking for a conspiracy but what exactly is Chrysler up to? ::grin::

Jeff Dobbs

Thanks.......Dirk got his MVP I see.

I'll let Other Tom have his fun with that....

Hmmmmm, Steve Nash is Canadian.

It's all intertwined I tell you.

cathyf

Well the whole carbon sink problem can get subtle. For example, Laurie David's advice to use one square, would, if followed, cause in increase in global warming and a decrease in real pollution. Because toilet paper is made from low-quality, fast-growing "weed trees." So the cultivation and harvesting of these trees causes carbon sequestration, while the processing causes all sorts of toxic chemicals to get out into the environment. This is the potential environmental disaster of the "global warming" crap -- people will trade off increasing real pollution to decrease carbon dioxide emissions.

The subtlety of the sequestration argument is all about the question of rot, though. So if you grow trees, which sequester carbon, turn it into TP, which gets flushed into a municipal sewer system, where it becomes sludge, which is composted, which releases methane, which is a potent greenhouse gas. So you have a tradeoff of carbon dioxide for methane, probably not good. On the other hand, i you've got a septic rather than sewer, you probably are sequestering carbon.

As for your personal carbon metabolism sequestration question, H&R, that can only be answered by enquiring about your levels of flatulence. Please do not consider this such an enquiry, and please do not supply the information...

Jeff Dobbs

Cathy:
As for your personal carbon metabolism sequestration question, H&R, that can only be answered by enquiring about your levels of flatulence. Please do not consider this such an enquiry, and please do not supply the information...


You can't do that. Well, you can, but you can't expect me not to consider and respond. Well, you can expect that, but, of course, you will be sorely disappointed.

Besides, I have provided an answer previously

Jeff Dobbs

Content Warning: That last link is to an old comment that uses the four-letter f word.


Oh and new threads

Sue

Thanks.......Dirk got his MVP I see.

I'll let Other Tom have his fun with that....

::sigh:: And the Warriors will not win another game. ::sigh::

Jeff Dobbs

Congratulations to the Virginia Tech graduating students attending the commencement ceremony tonight.

My neighbor chose to attend in light of the tragedy. He's receiving his masters at the graduate ceremony that started a few minutes ago.

boris
61% OF registered Democrats believe George Bush did kill or could have killed 3000 Americans on 9/11

mmm..no..

mmm ... whatever.

Believe it or not they go along with it.

Clearly it is delusional and one would not expect open advocacy.

OTOH dimorat leaders are encouraging the enemy with their political exploitation. One might claim it's their right and/or duty to oppose winning the war on the basis of some principle ... but ... they are also claiming that Bush "misled" them into supporting the war initially. Also delusional. Their insincere support was forced upon them by their electorate at the risk of political suicide.

Therefore even if they believe their subversion is based on some principle, it is also based on falshood and lies. Not just the garden variety of self serving or tactful fibbing either. Out and out false accusation. Big difference.

There's also the little matter of Blanco's BDS putting lives at risk during Katrina.

There's a lot more to support criticizing the dim's reckless disregard for lives of citizens and soldiers than the delusions dims have been pedaling. Bush did 911. Bush lied the country into war.

clarice

I believe the correct figure is 33% of Dems and 22% of all Americans believe that horse puckey according to the poll.
And Boris is right, just the other day Edwards told a truther that he'd look into the theory that the WH was behind 9/11. I believe Kerry recently pulled the same thing as well.

Jeff Dobbs

Can we please have someone ask the dem candidates at their next debate....."show of hands, who thinks there should be an investigation into whether the WH knew about or carried out the attacks on 9/11? And a follow up, who thinks there should be an investigation into the collapse of WTC 7?"

Hell, how about, "who thinks fire can melt steel?"

PeterUK.

"who thinks fire can melt steel?"

Give it enough oxygen and it will burn!

clarice

I am waiting for some moderator to note that Edwards sheltered his trial lawyer's bonanza from taxes and now his hedge fund gelt and ask how he thinks not paying taxes helps the poor and pays the tab for all the fancy new programs he's floating.

Is that too hard?

hoosierhoops

Can we please have someone ask the dem candidates at their next debate....."show of hands, who thinks there should be an investigation into whether the WH knew about or carried out the attacks on 9/11? And a follow up, who thinks there should be an investigation into the collapse of WTC 7?"

Hell, how about, "who thinks fire can melt steel?"


Posted by: hit and run | May 11, 2007
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H&R:
I absolutely 100% agree.. Let's pose this question to our weakest group of Dem canadates in my lifetime 'Who thinks Bush planned 9-11? yes or no? I'm all for seperating the Wheat from the chaff sir.
interesting question.. oh then at the repubs debate i would like to ask another question..
'Who here thinks invading Iraq was about killing Bin Laden and winning the WOT?' Yes or No?
I watched the movie United 93 the other night and i'm still steaming and emotional about 9-11. The war on terror got derailed.
After getting OBL and reconstructing afgan
then maybe we could have solved the Iraq situation..but you know hindsight is 20/20 so I don't second guess him. But let's not confuse the two. A week after 9-11 my son David asked me if I would sponsor him to go work at ground zero, as he was a fully qauled welder. I paid for a month of hotel/food expenses for him and I can honesty say the experience changed his life. He also brought home some moving and awesome video & pictures. I was and continue to be effected by the events of that tuesday.
Nobody here is buying the piggybacking of iraq to 9-11. And that and only that is why you will lose the election. And Clarice..
I pray it will not be Hillary..God save the republic if that defective woman becomes the commander-in-chief and leader of the free world.
On a different note ( and i hope this doesn't get the hoopster banned..)
I have a pretty new website for my new not-for-profit charity. I really want to do something to feed poor families and children in need.. I could use the click stats to grow..( plus i got another 30 days to go live) if you could check it out and have any positive input..well, that would be just great.
www.food4humanity.org


PeterUK.

Looks like Cindy Sheehan is being encouraged to run.
Alex Baldwin is on board.

Maybeex

Hoosier- has your charity qualified for tax status yet?

boris

Nobody here is buying the piggybacking of iraq to 9-11

So you do go for the "lied us into war" then. Let's hear no more of the "nobody I know believes that crap" crap then shall we?

Small fact ... immediately after 911 a majority of Americans beleived Saddam was involved. It's too late now to "not buy" the connection. No 911, no Iraq invasion.

Rick Ballard

Boris,

I continue to wonder about the President's decision to nominate our efforts as a war on terror. The fact is that islam has been at war with everyone who refuses to acknowledge the self serving and debased lies of its child raping founder since he scribbled his first apologia pro caedis mea. I understand the Straussian concept of the honorable lie but the RoP bullshit was a bridge too far. The Pope's question was honest without being as confrontational as I would have wished and still would have advanced a more useful understanding of the enemy than that which exists today.

Saddam had to go because the ME despots needed a clear example of what they are buying when they subsidize the useless muslim scum who actually believe the nonsense drilled into them by their masters.

Ignoring the fact that islam is at war with all of the non-islamic world will (IMO) lead to a shift from retail slaughter to wholesale slaughter. Perhaps the President thought that time was needed for the West to reach the appropriate conclusion, that one is hard to calculate.

What can be said is that sufficient lives and treasure have been spent on the attempt to allow savages a shot at self governance. The desire just isn't there, not in percentages high enough to effect change.

boris

The desire just isn't there ...

Perhaps not but the situation is that the US is propping up a democracy (instead of a puppet dictator) in a region where that is the only option for a long term strategic presence. Maybe we don't actually know how to really do what we "say" we're trying to accomplish, mox nix. They need us to maintain a pretense and we need them to maintain a presence.

In the long run it would have a decent chance of success and we are in a better position to prevent something far worse.

PeterUK.

Rick,
It may be that George Bush made his statement with the full realisation that Islam is in the West to stay and that some accommodation will have to be made.
The demographics may not reflect this in the US as yet,but in Europe it is a significant factor.
Politicians have invested a vast amount of capital in selling immigration and integration to their populations,they don't know hoe to backpedal now.

Rick Ballard

"In the long run it would have a decent chance of success and we are in a better position to prevent something far worse."

If by "it" you are referring to representative democracy then I think that "decent chance" may be wildly optimistic. The Turks are the only muslims who have gone beyond "one man, one vote, one time" and they do so under the very real gun of the military. I fully acknowledge the "something far worse aspect" but I'm very unsure that it takes into account the fatalism explicit in the Arab phrase inshallah. I think muslims will ride that donkey right over the cliff.

Peter,

I would be very surprised if muslims accounted for more than 1% of the US population. I recognize that Europe has spent 40 years encouraging tranzi concepts but I don't think the President was playing to that market. It may be that he was impressed by the fact that there are 1.2 billion muslims in the world. If so, I wonder why he hasn't examined the ratio of Amerinds to Europeans in 1515 in North America and South America. Or Bantu to British in 1815.

It ain't like the savages ever win.

(vide Greek/Persians 2300 BC, incirca)

PeterUK.

Sadly it was the Greeks who were the savages,but in general the barbarians have always come out of the East,,the Huns under Attila,Genghis Khan,the Arabs,Ottoman Turks,even the Conquistadors.

Rick Ballard

Peter,

It ain't like Xerxes was packing the Enlightenment in his saddlebags. He offered the Greeks the same thing the muslims offer everyone - slavery. Poetry is no salve for slavery.

PeterUK.

Rick
Maybe not,but Alexander wasn't Aristotle either,he was a Macedonian warlord,slave owners as was all of Greece.The Spartans could not exist without capture Helots.
Alexander plundered the city of Persepolis and burned down the Palace of Xerxes,admittedly the lads had had a bit of a drink, they were incited to do so by the burning of the Acropolis by the Persians,but not particularly enlightened.All par for the course by the standards of the time.
The Persians were as civilised as the Greeks,if not more so,Persia fell to a foe which employed a new kind of warfare,but fought on old tribal lines where the leaders were still combatants and the men all warriors.
Very similar to the Arab conquests.

boris

they do so under the very real gun of the military

Hence long term US military presence and US "training" the Iraq military.

PeterUK.

Interesting take on the dichotomy between the macro and micro information communication levels in ,a href="http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/05/ear-to-ground.html"> Iraq.The military are succeeding on the ground vis a vie the information war but the diplomats are not.

PeterUK.

link

hoosierhoops

Hoosier- has your charity qualified for tax status yet?

Posted by: Maybeex
My first instint was to type.' well the lawyers say...' but after all the fun i make of lawyers maybe we should leave them out of the conversation..
Sometime this summer the LLC will be complete and the tax exempt status secured.
Also I just found out this morning that i can blog here on my blackberry..uh oh..
that probably just ruined boris's day. :)

SunnyDay

Mac Ranger has some comments on the AG hearings and links to NYT piece he says is Schumer, keeping the story going. Apparently, this is what they intend to ask Monica about when she testifies. BTW, the Thursday hearings are being replayed on C-SPAN now.

boris

ruined boris's day

Nary a millisecond hooterboops.

I'm jest havin fun.

SunnyDay

Dana Milbank is also working up a lather over the Gonzales testimony - he did find a few things from Thursday to quote out of context, implying that G. just wasn't talking.

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