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July 02, 2007

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ann

Today feels like 2000 when the Supreme Adults told the children
in Florida to quit making things up as you go along..grow up.

Supreme Ballsy George.

Keep singing PeterUK, you are driving the left crazy and delighting me to no end.

lurker9876

Captain's Quarters take on Bush's decision.

Exactly what I see. It just gives Libby time outside prison to pursue his appeals process.

Some conservatives do not believe that Bush was catering to his base with today's decision.

lurker9876

But Bush will wait until the end before pardoning Libby if needed be. Especially if a Democrat wins the WH.

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Yeah Manys, let's here it for sentencing guidelines. The Probation Department recommended probation for Libby, the old guidelines recommended somewhere around 15 months, but Walton and Fitz decided that they would take the polical approach and sentence to triple or double and make it 30 months.

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Captain Ed sold out several months ago. I can barely read him anymore.

BarbaraS

The funny thing is that Walton wanted Bush to pardon Libby and sweep the whole trial under the rug. Well, Bush did the exact opposite. He smacked Walton for the sentence he imposed. He did, however, uphold the trial in so many words.

I'm glad that Bush commuted Libby's sentence but I am still bothered by the total injustice of this whole farce. Libby was shot down every step of the way as if no one in Washington wanted to buck the tide. There was someone pretty powerful behind all this fiasco and I'll bet it was Chuckie Shumer and the democrat party.

I'm not happy with Bush's words about the jury results. This whole thing was a travesty from day one and remains so. Bush is choosing the middle ground trying to satisfy everyone. This does not change the fact that the justice system is broken and that victims are regarded as perpertrators. That judges are not crooked and political. That DAs and USAs do not go after innocent people for their own political gain.

chch16

Ironic that the journalistic whore on the pages of the NY Times and Scootie's whore in reality Judy Miller spent 81 days in jail but her lover the pussy scootie spent no jail time.

PeterUK.

"Scooter writes a book, it will do far better than other books did."

If he does, he won't use chchicken as a ghost writer,nor will he use his spellchecker.

topsecretk9

oh che che...THIS has GOT to sting

--It sends an awful message to those hundreds of people sentenced for perjury and obstruction in the 94 district courts today and awaiting sentencing for these convictions.--

Like Clinton's perjury? HAH

lurker9876

BarbaraS, I think Bush is keeping the ace of pardon under his sleeve to be used at the end, especially if a Democrat wins the WH in '08.

I understand, Sara, He sold out on certain topics when he should have not.

Pal2Pal (Sara)

BarbaraS, the President just kicked it back to the appeals process and probably to the Supreme Court, taking it back from the political arena and into the courts where it belongs. The two appeals positions are citing two Supreme Court rulings with opposite interpretations. Seems tailor-made for a SCOTUS review. We cannot have conflicting SC opinions mucking up the works.

chch16

It's for damn sure I wouldn't connect myself with Scootie the pussy.

It's just as sure as the fact that you can't comment on any issues except to comment your 5 year old level paranoid thoughts about me. LOL

Again only 2% of commentors on this blog can write anything about issues. If it weren't for Tom Maguire's posts and links, this thing would be worthless.

I comment on issues. The paranoid screamers on this blog comment only to cry like babies about someone who disagrees with them.

No one would use PeterUK to write anything. It can't focus on any issues. It can only post about me.

lurker9876
Ironic that the journalistic whore on the pages of the NY Times and Scootie's whore in reality Judy Miller spent 81 days in jail but her lover the pussy scootie spent no jail time.

Don't forget that letter Scooter wrote to Judy.

So? Fitz should have been indicted for putting Judy in jail. Direct your hatred towards Fitz, instead of Libby.

Berger did not spend any time in jail at all. His fine is far smaller than Libby's fine.

Libby's fine should have been reduced but that's ok as long as Libby continues to pursue the appeal process.

Enlightened

Please don't even give this filth a forum...

TexasIsHeaven

Rick -

I enjoy debate and different opinions and points of view. I have learned much by coming here over the last year. History, law, how government really works or doesn't, I have learned all this and more.

But there are some whose mindset is stuck around the mental age of, of I'm not sure. I'm not sure of what they are trying to say or what idea they are trying to convey.

They are rude and have nothing of value to add to any conversation - any place but here you could jerk them up and give em' a really hard whipping to adjust the attitude.

But I do appreciate the comments from the "regulars".

cboldt

On reading his pronouncement and accompanying release, it seems darn clear to me that President Bush is not going to pardon Libby at any point in time.

lurker9876

Scooter is NOT a pussy. He is an innocent man faced an unfair trial.

Fine, you don't need to connect with Scooter, a fine man.

You are a paraoind that do not comment on issues. You post fallacies and inaccuracies, even with links to your own left-wing blogs. You are a crybaby that do not agree with us when we comment valid and accurate issues.

And I would use PUK to write anything. And he certainly can focus on any issues.

TM, it's time to clean out the litter box!!

This one could be Garth?

chch16

Yo Sara (who doesn't understand federal law). What the hell are you talking about. Bush didn't kick anything "back" to an appellate process. The appellate process has always been there. Libby lost using it so far. There is still his appeal of the conviction.

And lol what the hell are you talking about? You care to cite your mixed up vision of "conflicting S.Ct. (you don't have to use Scotus--S.Ct. works for law reviews and lawyer commentaries)--what cases are you referring to. Don't strain your brain trying to cite them Sara--just use one of the names in the style of the cases you mysteriously reference, preferrably the first one so we can straighten out what has you all mixed up.

In all other cases, pardons and commutations per DOJ guidelines don't consider a pardon or until 5 years after the sentence.

With commutations DOJ guidelines require the defendant not to continue their appeal and to have begun their sentence.

Bush made an exception and threw out these guidelines.

lurker9876

cboldt, Bush can always change his mind towards the end?

chch16

Lurker have you finished high school yet? Your posts are so pathetic they don't warrant an answer.

PeterUK.

There's a new book out folks,tales of derring do and espionage,it's call "Undercover,My Life With Larry",written by his toupee.

lurker9876

Chuck Schumer supposedly said this (via one of the posts at Aces):

As Independence Day nears, we�re reminded that one of the principles our forefathers fought for was equal justice under the law. This commutation completely tramples on that principle,� Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said through a spokesman.

Conyers was not happy either.

chch16

Lurker--psst no one gives a shit about "what you would do."

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Grant of Executive Clemency

A Proclamation by the President of the United States of America

WHEREAS Lewis Libby was convicted in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in the case United States v. Libby, Crim. No. 05-394 (RBW), for which a sentence of 30 months’ imprisonment, 2 years’ supervised release, a fine of $250,000, and a special assessment of $400 was imposed on June 22, 2007;

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, pursuant to my powers under Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, do hereby commute the prison terms imposed by the sentence upon the said Lewis Libby to expire immediately, leaving intact and in effect the two-year term of supervised release, with all its conditions, and all other components of the sentence.

IN WITNESS THEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this second day of July, in the year of our Lord two thousand and seven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-first.

GEORGE W. BUSH

lurker9876

Another post at Ace:

I love it- the DUmmies are having a fit.

What's really funny is how many of them talk about this being "the last straw", as if they previously had only a minor dislike of Bush before. They also should "hypocrasy" without sense of irony, considering Clinton's cash-for-pardons scheme.

18. It's a friggin' mafia is what it is. They don't even care to hide it anymore.

Trillions of stolen dollars via the illegal war dumped into their cronies' pockets. Non-stop violations of the law and the constitution. And now "get-out-of-jail-free" cards. It's just insane.
77. $200,000 fine? Barely counts as pocket change Loses his law license? The Repugs haven't practiced anything resembling law for a very long time 9. I've had it. This fucker has to be permanently removed. And I don't give a shit how. 74. I wonder if they took impeachment off the table because they were afraid the MF'er would declare martial law and eliminate the congress? 10. This is total bullshit. I hate Bush...hate him hate him hate him 58. They are so fucking ubove the law! I can't belive this. I feel like bursting out with tears! He get's away with EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! 76. HANG for pete sakes... This is a mass murderer and world terrorist. He stole 2 elections. He's treasoned and robbed us. Look how many he's killed. We still have his illegal war going on and people are still dying because of him.

lurker9876
Lurker--psst no one gives a shit about "what you would do."

Hey, soothi-chch-copperhead-martin-ken-garth-....,

"What would I do what?" So?

You're such full of hot air filled with meaningless posts.

Appalled Moderate

Bush, over the years, has not been a pardoning man. He accepts the jury's verdict that Scooter lied -- he makes that plain. He just feels the sentence was too harsh for the actual crime.

This feels like the right decision -- government officals should not lie to prosecutors, no matter how bogus their jurisdiction, and should pay a substantial penalty for doing so.

topsecretk9
As Independence Day nears, we�re reminded that one of the principles our forefathers fought for was equal justice under the law. This commutation completely tramples on that principle,� Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said through a spokesman.

Is Schumer exploiting and using for his own political gain a national holiday to question peoples patriotism? as someone at Hotair noticed.

Enlightened

Schumer only likes presidents that commute sentences he dislikes.

http://www.jonathanpollard.org/1993/072993.htm

cboldt

-- cboldt, Bush can always change his mind towards the end? --

The power is absolute. Exercise of it is subject to objective second-guess review. But President Bush has said he does not disagree with the conviction, so a pardon would be a personal reversal of position.

lurker9876
Lurker have you finished high school yet? Your posts are so pathetic they don't warrant an answer.

None of your business but the answer is yes. Good, don't bother responding here at all.

chch16

Cheney ordered Libby to Leak. Libby Leaked after Cheney told him Bush wanted him to, and Bush covered up his own crime.

Bush said he respected the jury's verdict after he ignored it.

Time for Judiciary Committee to site Bush, Cheney and Rove for criminal contempt.

chch16

Lurker there is nothing on earth that follows orders from you.

Enlightened

John Conyers likes sentence commutations also:


At age 24, Kemba Smith was sentenced to 24.5 years in prison for "conspiracy," an ill-defined legal concept that federal prosecutors used to tie her to the crimes of her deceased, abusive boyfriend, a ringleader in a $4 million cocaine ring. After being featured on the cover of Emerge magazine, her case drew broad support from around the nation, and her sentence was commuted in December 2000 by President Clinton. Kemba is a graduate of Virginia Union University with a bachelor’s degree in Social Work, and is a Soros Justice Fellow. She is a frequent speaker for audiences around the country, on topics such as domestic violence; challenges facing youth; reentry of ex-offenders into society; injustices in the criminal justice system; the social, economic and political consequences of current drug policies; and other issues. Kemba’s story has been featured on numerous outlets including Nightline, Court TV and The Early Morning Show, and in publications such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, Glamour, People and Essence

chch16

Bush also complemented Fitz, but basically because Fitz sparred him, Cheney, and Rove.

topsecretk9

--Bush said he respected the jury's verdict after he ignored it.
--

No he didn't, the jury said they'd like to see a pardon - he respected them - actually he didn't, your right - he didn't go as far as they said.

PeterUK.

Lurker,
There is no difference between the rancid left and the rabid Islamists.

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Earth to chch, it DOES NOT MATTER what the guidelines suggest, the President of the United States has absolute power to pardon or commute vested in him by the Constitution. He can do whatever he damn well pleases any time as to this issue.

Article II, Section 2:

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

It doesn't say anything about being bound by statute or guidelines.

BobS

Uh, chichi...to your last assertion. No he didnt.

lurker9876
-- cboldt, Bush can always change his mind towards the end? --

The power is absolute. Exercise of it is subject to objective second-guess review. But President Bush has said he does not disagree with the conviction, so a pardon would be a personal reversal of position.

I agree. But Bush can be convinced otherwise. I don't think Bush is ready to take the pardon option yet.

Cheney did NOT order Libby to leak. Libby did NOT leak. Bush did not order Cheney to tell Libby to leak. Bush did not cover up his own crime. There was NO crime at all.

Let the Judiciary Committee CITE Bush, Cheney, and Rove and they will still find NOTHING at all. Nothing will come from it.

Why are you in bold, chch-soothie-martin-ken-garth-sferris-et at? Sounds like you're angry and really pissed and filled with hatred.

Joe Wilson was on CNN blathering on Bush's decision and talked about filing another civil case, blah, blah.

lurker9876
Bush also complemented Fitz, but basically because Fitz sparred him, Cheney, and Rove.

Bush just complimented Fitz because it was the right thing to do, not because Fitz SPARED him, Cheney, and Rove.

topsecretk9

Meanwhile

British newspapers are reporting that as many as six of the eight people arrested over failed car bomb attacks in London and Glasgow are doctors who may have planned the attacks while living in medical residences at a Scottish hospital.

...The BBC is reporting that one suspect has been arrested in an unnamed country overseas this morning (Australian time).

Still not saying which country

lurker9876
Lurker there is nothing on earth that follows orders from you.

You still do not deserve to post here.

Time to clean out the litter box, TM!!

CH

What's that liberal smell on this cite? Please, someone open a window!

BobS

As I'm one of the biggest offenders of responding to the imbecile, chichi, I apologize to the more learned posters here. I want to be the first to urge everyone else to stop responding to him and the ignorance his poor brain is burdened with. Soooooo...I propose we please stop responding to him. It ties up the thread and I'm far more interested in the intelligent ideas and exchange of thoughts I usually find here.

topsecretk9

Whoa-- correction...Brisbane Autralia

Queensland Premier Peter Beattie has confirmed a man has been arrested at Brisbane airport in relation to the UK bomb plots.

The 27-year-old Brisbane man was arrested at the airport at 11pm (AEST) yesterday.

The man is the eighth person detained over the bombings.

The man is a registrar at Gold Coast hospital.

Mr Beattie said the man had been detained by a counter-terrorism team comprising Queensland police and Australian Federal Police officers at the Brisbane International Airport attempting to leave Australia.

A Brisbane airport spokeswoman said the man was trying to fly to India.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/suspect-caught-in-brisbane/2007/07/02/1183351126298.html

Enlightened


"Mr Bush has pardoned only 113 people out of more than 1,000 applications in six years in office and has commuted only three sentences, turning down 5,000 requests.

By comparison, Ronald Reagan had pardoned 300 people by the equivalent point in his presidency and commuted 13 sentences. In total, Richard Nixon issued 863 pardons and commuted the sentences of 60 people.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6746947.stm


lurker9876

Good idea, BobS.

Geesch, sight, site, cite??????

lurker9876

Harry Reid: "The Constitution gives President Bush the power to commute sentences, but history will judge him harshly for using that power to benefit his own Vice President’s Chief of Staff who was convicted of such a serious violation of law.”

Uh huh, what about Clinton's pardon of a child molester, Mel Reynolds?

Carol_Herman

Ya know, Barbara S; Chuck Schumer has a problem, now. Webb's on his tail. And, he's one of those ugly dogs that likes a fight in the limelight. It's not all "roses" anymore, over there, for the Bonkey's.

Meanwhile, I'm gonna give cha cha 16 credit for making me laugh, reading the stuff that's here.

That's a very funny line about putin being able to poison them all in Kennebunkport; sort'a like taking IN his luggage stuff that he's not interested in taking back to Moscow.

But leaving room, now, for the antiques and the towels. What a set of guests I wouldn't want in my home!

As to Fitzmas past; it's gonna be baack ... visiting the Bonkeys. While they really have no talent, yet, up and running.

And, all that happened to the GOP? McCain's tilted over. So he now lists. Until he de-lists.

Politics. It's a very nasty game. This trial will prove to be the pits. As soon as someone wakes up justice, and tells her it's time to get out'da bed.

Poppy

chch16, I see MSNBC told you what to think. To bad Jon Stewart was a re-run, you would have had fresh ideas.

Other Tom

Cboldt, if my recollection about attorney's fees is correct, I think there are millions of reasons for Libby to pursue the appeal. I believe that if the conviction is vacated, he is entitled to be reimbursed by the treasury. And the translation of that for his lawyers is that they get paid in full by the taxpayer, and so would be eager to continue with the effort. (I have inquired several times here as to whether Libby would, indeed, be entitled to reimbursement by the gov't, but so far as I know no one has weighed in with an answer. I myself am very uncertain as to the rule here.)

Sorry that Looking didn't find the level of jubilation he expected here--perhaps that was because I had not yet been heard from. Suffice it to say that my chest is swollen with gloating joy--this is the perfect outcome, principally because of the losers it infuriates, and their sheer powerlessness to do anything about it.

As for convicted felon John Dean, the man has not written a sensible word in the past 33 years, if ever. Generally what he has to say about every event that happens when a Republican is in power begins with, "this is worse than Watergate." Sorry, John, but it's not--all kinds of people went to jail in Watergate. No one is going to jail here.

My favorite pipe dream of the losers is that Fitzgerald is going to go back to the grand jury and indict Rove. Yes indeedy, that's sure likely to happen! And this time he can throw in a conspiracy count, alleging that Rove conspired with the president to commute the sentnece. Wake me up when that one occurs. Hoo, boy. Oh, this is wonderful!

I guess one problem is that Rove has already been under indictment since May 13, 2006...

Ah yes. The martinis will be flowing freely momentido--let the celebrating begin!

BarbaraS

I agree with Cboldt. Bush will not pardon Libby totally. He has gone as far as he can. This is a sop paid to the republicans and a not so bad a slap in the face to the democrats. They are really left with no leg to stand on. If Bush had outright pardoned Libby or if he does in the future, there will be a huge outcry from the left a whole lot worse than this.

I hope Libby goes forward with his appeal. I doubt, however, that he will get anywhere. No one in Washington wants to do anything about this whole farce. It is too hot a potato.

Don't you just love Shumer mouthing off about justice. He wouldn't know anything about justice even if it rared up and bit him.

lurker9876

Riehl heard from sources that WH is considering appointing Sandy Berger as Director of the National Archives.

Sounds like a joke.

Poppy

"""chch16: Bush made an exception and threw out these guidelines.""""

Yeah, Fitz and the judge call that HARMLESS ERROR.

You forgot Bush can't throw out a guideline he is not subject to. Perhaps you should actually read the Constitution and put down your new Transformers.

Poppy

And while you at it ohh brilliant chch16, could you possibly explain how it is that the President can commute a prison sentence, but has to wait five years for the person to request it. Wouldn't that mean the person has to already have served 5 years prior to commutation...kind of throws a wrench in you smarter then thou approach.

BobS

Lurker: Tell me about it. Sight, site, cite. I've found myself using them all-with no rules whatsoever.

Other Tom

Justice Department guidelines have been ignored by presidents exercising the absolute power of the pardon in innumerable instances. Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon is a well-known example. Bush I with Weinberger is another (a clearly political indictment three days before an election, properly extinguished). As I recall, Clinton pretty much ignored them altogether. (Wht do the guidelines say about pardoning an at-large fugitive from a felony warrant?)

Excelsior!

BarbaraS

Lurker

That has to be a joke. Samdy hasn't gotten his security clearance back yet, has he?

Enlightened

Uh - Harry Reid? Thinks history will judge GWB harshly?

Harry Reid's legacy is profound. /sarc on.

Other Tom

I think this event calls for a thorough discussion of the relative seriousness of Libby's offense vs. Berger's, and the sentence ultimately to be served by each of them. Oh, how I welcome that one!

Excelsior again!

Rick Ballard

"Sandy hasn't gotten his security clearance back yet, has he?"

He found a new one tucked under the corner of a construction trailer...

Poppy

I know you would much rather prefer Bush pardon actual terrorists like your boy Clinton.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09272006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/bill_pardoned_terror_opedcolumnists_joseph_f__conner.htm

Of course Clinton enjoyed commuting the sentences of his own kind:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_9_99/ai_70696215

lurker9876

Joe Biden just called on Americans to flood the WH phone lines.

I think I will congratulate Bush for making the right decision.

Jane

I'm torn about Bush's statement. His implication is that absolutely Scooter lied. Does he just assume Scooter lied because a jury of his definite-not-peers convicted him?

I'm not sure he could have credibly done it any other way. Clearly he didn't watch the trial, and even if he did, he isn't a lawyer and it certainly isn't his job to second guess the criminal justice system anyway. The jury found that Libby having a different memory of a conversation than Russert was a lie. They determined the facts absent any other evidence. That's worth about what it sounds to be worth, but in our society we place our faith in juries.

I'm happy with the commutation, and a big part of me wants him to appeal - for the sake of justice. The problem is I simply don't trust this Appeals Court any more than I trust Walton.

CH

I used the word, "cite" after seeing it used SEVERAL times on this very, "site(?)"

Rick Ballard

Fitz on Commutation

We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on the exercise of that prerogative.

We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the sentence imposed by the judge as “excessive.” The sentence in this case was imposed pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which occur every day throughout this country. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing.

Although the President’s decision eliminates Mr. Libby’s sentence of imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process.

[via York on the Corner]

C'mon, Alberto, rent a pair and fire this schmuck.

BobS

I may have to apologize for eavesdropping. But Carol, I didn't follow your line about Webb being after Shumer you intended for BarbaraS. Can someone explain. Apologies in advance. Thanks, too.

Rick Ballard

CH,

Sighting cite on this site is no indication that the sighting should be cited as proper usage.

BobS

Well done, Rick!

Jane

That's two in this sitting that qualify for line of the day RB!

lurker9876

What an a$$hole he is. A challenge that Fitz feels he is up to. He really wants to make sure he wins this one.

Rick, I agree and email DoJ to do something about Fitz.

Jane, after today's decision by the judge panel, I no longer trust this CADC.

lurker9876

CH,

Sighting cite on this site is no indication that the sighting should be cited as proper usage.

A good one, RB.

Pal2Pal (Sara)

So when can we expect the indictment of Valerie Plame Wilson for lying to Congress, not just once either?

Semanticleo

Rule of Law. Hah!

Please don't cry a river over Berger. Your credibility raft is not equipped for crossing any man-made body of water, much less the River Styx.

cboldt

-- Cboldt, if my recollection about attorney's fees is correct, I think there are millions of reasons for Libby to pursue the appeal. --

Nope. That was a line started by clarice, that clarice abandoned. Pursuit of appeal would be strictly for principle (Libby did not lie), and given the principles in play (lying to investigators is punishable), I doubt Libby will pursue more than a perfunctory appeal, if even that.

BobS

With respect to Fitz statement this evening: Why did he have to say anything at all? And as Clarice says, both he and Reggie totally ignored sentencing guidelines recommended by parole board.
What chutzpah to opening disagree with his boss, too. Maybe now Gonzalez will call this arrogant ass on the public carpet and fire him.

Carol_Herman

Well, CH,

Cite is a descriptive location.

Site is the location, itself.

And, sight is to "see it with your eyeballs."

Any hoo. If you Cite something; you're just refering to text messages.

How complicated is that?

Carol_Herman

gonzales, like Dubya's friendly remarks to Brownie ... Are just incompetents. Bob S, don't hold your hopes up.

As to Fitz, as long as his office is still in business, the media midgets will be shy about saying anything.

I don't even think it's been NBC and Timmy Russert, keeping Andrea Mitchell's hide protected. I think it's her hubby's invisible handy work. Stuff that even Adam Smith couldn't envision.

Enlightened

Can Libby talk now? Publicly?

arrowhead

"...Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies..." Patrick Fitzgerald

Mr. Fitzgerald's use of grammar and hyperbole never ceases to amaze me.

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Statement from Ted Wells, Libby's attorney:

“Mr. Libby and his family wish to express their gratitude for the President’s decision today. We continue to believe in Mr. Libby’s innocence. Scooter and his family appreciate the many Americans who have supported them over the last two years.”

SunnyDay

Best way to ahndle chacha - do not read posts by chacha. Do not read posts about chacha. Do not read responses to chacha's posts.

Ut OH - I have to read somewhere else. Later folks,

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Via "Investors Business Daily":

Justice: Late Monday came the welcome news that President Bush has commuted the 30-month prison sentence of former vice presidential aide Scooter Libby. It was the least he could do.

We've suggested before that it would be a good idea to give Libby a full pardon. After all, he was found guilty only after what was clearly a politically motivated trial during which he was charged with covering up a non-crime.

Libby's life and career have been exemplary. Yet, for misremembering some comments he made to journalists, he got 30 months in prison — a grave miscarriage of justice if ever there was one.

Is a full pardon coming?

We've often wondered why this farce, pursued with Ahab-like zeal by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, was even allowed to continue.

Libby's own defense team put it best in describing the trial as "unwarranted, unjust and motivated by politics." Even liberal Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen called the prosecution of Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff a "runaway train."

Fair-minded Americans look at the case and see there wasn't one to be made. So why was he pursued?

In a sentencing memo filed in late May after Libby's conviction, Fitzgerald made it clear Libby wasn't his real quarry at all. He wanted to show that Libby's disclosures to the media about former CIA spook Valerie Plame "may have been personally sanctioned by the vice president."

That couldn't be proved in court, of course. It was a giant fishing expedition. Nor could Fitzgerald prove the underlying charges he promised in 2005 when he first went after Libby.

At the time, he said he would prove Libby had violated the law by revealing Plame's identity. He didn't. But he did the next best thing: He took some of Libby's poorly remembered testimony and crafted around it a sham case of obstruction and lying.

Even some of the jurors who found Libby guilty on technical points of the law said they hoped he'd be pardoned.

Once this travesty occurred, it seemed clear Libby would do some hard time. The White House had kept quiet, perhaps fearing a fight with the Democrats that control both Congress and much of the political agenda of what remains of President Bush's second term.

Bush's political advisers no doubt told him any kind of leniency would have heavy political costs. So we congratulate him for commuting Libby's sentence, and hope he'll step up to the plate again when he leaves office and issue a full pardon.

topsecretk9

Does anyone now more about Benjamin "Berger" --

Mary Jo White, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, is investigating a possible link between the last-minute pardon by former President Bill Clinton of four New Yorkers and votes for Hillary Clinton's Senate election last November.

Kalmen Stern, David Goldstein, Benjamin Berger and Jacob Elbaum were serving prison sentences of up to 6.5 years for bilking $40 million worth of student Pell grants and loans from government sources for a phony school in the Hasidic community of New Square, N.Y.

Sen. Clinton said that although she attended a White House meeting in which the pardon issue was raised, "I never made any view known."

Last month, she refused to talk about the controversial pardons of the four New York Hasidic Jews by her husband.

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Benjamin Berger was convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States, wire fraud, false statement, money laundering, and filing a false tax return.[1]

The amount he and conspirators Kalmen Stern, David Goldstein, and Jacob Elbaum embezzeled was more than $40 million from government anti-poverty programs.[2] The men are members of the Hasidic community of New Square, New York.[2]

The sentence for the crimes was 30 months' imprisonment, two years' supervised release and paying US$522,977 in restitution. President Bill Clinton reduced his jail term from 30 months to 24 months.[1]

topsecretk9
topsecretk9

Know - not now.

Sue

I can live with a commuted sentence. I was hoping for a pardon, but didn't expect either, so Bush is back in my good graces.

centralcal

A few comments . . .

The relatively swift commutation by President Bush is a good thing, indicating that he probably had this card up his sleeve already, pending the Appeals Court decision going south.

The tide may be turning, ever so slowly. Fitzgerald has shown that he is a small man by his statement. A bigger man wouldn't have felt compelled to make the statement he did trying to justify the sentencing. I am a firm believer in "what goes around, comes around." I think Fitzy baby should really be meditating on this. His day will come.

I am happy to be a conservative and a Republican these past few days. Supreme Court decisions, the defeat of shamnesty, the commutation of Libby are all signs that good can and, usually does, prevail.

The nincompoops and mentally challenged lefty posters who come here as if it were a kitty litter box, simply confirm their own significant deficiencies.

JM Hanes

Republican commentators started fulminating "[w]ithin minutes of the announcement," fulminated the editorial commentators at the New York Times, only moments thereafter. Nothing like being late to a party with your flame thrower, eh?

Sue

Hell, Clinton pardoned a man that was convicted of revealing national security secrets. I can't remember his name, but I posted about him right after Libby was convicted.

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Via Newsbusters:

Olbermann: For Commutation in 'Greatest Crime of Century' Bush and Cheney Must Resign

GAG!!!

topsecretk9

--Greatest Crime of Century' Bush and Cheney Must Resign--

Seriously, of the Century? What a dope.

Enlightened

Keith Olbermann is inlficted with Cranium Lite. Not much fill going on in the old brain cave.

"Nothing like being late to a party with your flame thrower, eh?"

Bwaaahhhahhh. Priceless. Damn fulminators.

topsecretk9

THIS is too precious..

Formerly Non-Outraged Outraged Democrats [Byron York] More from those Republicans cranking it out tonight on the Hill. It seems that after Clinton's FALN clemency, the House passed a bill "Expressing the Sense of the Congress that the President Should Not Have Granted Clemency to Terrorists." A number of now-outraged Democrats voted against the bill, including House Judiciary Committee chairman John Conyers. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, now speaker, didn't vote. But she later explained that she was against criticizing the president's decision:
Ms. PELOSI. Mr. Chairman, on the last vote, H. Con. Res. 180, I was detained in traffic while returning to the Capitol. Had I been present, I would have voted "no."

07/02 09:33 PM

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N2M2Yzk4ZDM4YTJlZWYzZWE1YzZlYTFkNTE5N2YxOTk=

topsecretk9

goes with this

Presidential Mercy [Byron York] Amid the overflow of Democratic outrage on Capitol Hill, Republicans are sending around some examples of Bill Clinton's clemency — not the notorious Marc Rich case, but guys like this member of FALN, described in a 1999 press release from the Justice Department:
NAME: Luis Rosa

The President commuted the sentence of Mr. Rosa from a total effective sentence of seventy-five (75) years' imprisonment, to a total effective sentence of imprisonment of four (4) years, seven (7) months, and fifteen (15) days.

Offense: Seditious conspiracy, 18 U.S.C. § 2384; interference with interstate commerce by threats or violence, 18 U.S.C. § 1951; possession of an unregistered firearm, 26 U.S.C. § 5861(d); carrying firearms during the commission of seditious conspiracy and interference with interstate commerce by violence, 18 U.S.C. § 924(b); interstate transportation of firearms with intent to commit seditious conspiracy and interference with interstate commerce by violence, 18 U.S.C. § 924(c); interstate transportation of a stolen vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312

Hillary's gonna need a case bayer aspirin soon.

Enlightened

"The greatest crime of the century"

Gee I think Laci Peterson's parents might disagree with Olbiputz.

I wonder what Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman's family's think about that statement.

I can list more but I won't.

It's disgusting. Sensationalism for money.

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Enlightened, I think those victimized by 9/11 might think their's was the true crime of the century.

Barry

I am pleased that Libby will spend no time in jail. I am displeased that a political witch hunt was allowed to occur. Did Libby lie, obstruct justice? I have no idea. Is Tim Russert an honest man? As honest as Dan Rather I suppose. He was tried in a system set up to find him guilty. He was tried in a venue that almost certainly guaranteed a conviction. A conviction not for the charges, a conviction based solely upon the fact he worked for GWB. I cannot speak to the legal issues before the court. But I know this trial was unfair.

The farce is this was ever allowed to take place. Very few people in DC will take a stand for what is right. Politics trumps all. Just as true for republicans as the democrats. This prosecution occurred with the blessing of the Bush administration, and GWB blessed it again with his statement.

Does GWB know the status of Valerie Plame/Wilson? If he does not know, who the hell does? Could he not order the director of the CIA to make a clear report? This case makes a clear point; there are no principled leaders in Washington.

While I am happy that Libby will not spend a day in jail, this case stinks, and the rot starts at the top.

The only real plus is it will drive the leftys nuts.

JM Hanes

cboldt:

"But President Bush has said he does not disagree with the conviction, so a pardon would be a personal reversal of position."

The Prez said, "I respect the jury’s verdict," which is not the same thing. Even if he agreed with it, an act of clemancy -- which can be undertaken for a multitude of other reasons -- wouldn't necessarily represent a personal reversal of that position. Ford's pardon of Nixon springs to mind.

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