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Posted by: hit and run | August 25, 2007 at 03:06 PM

WASHINGTON — Former Congressman Mark Foley is unlikely to face criminal charges for sending sexually explicit e-mails to teenage boys, sources close to the year-long investigation have told Scripps Howard News Service.
That could change if new evidence surfaces in the next week that proves Foley, 52, sent online messages to male teenagers with the intent to "seduce, solicit, lure, entice, or attempt to seduce a child," a third degree felony under Florida law.

But as of now, the end of Foley's political career may be the most severe consequence the former congressman faces for the revelations that stunned his longtime supporters and prompted his immediate resignation, just weeks before the 2006 election. The Fort Pierce Republican represented parts of St. Lucie, Martin, Okeechobee and Palm Beach counties.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement said this week the investigation should be completed within the next several days.

Sources close to the investigation told Scripps to date there has been no criminal finding against Foley. Once the investigation is completed, it will be turned over to prosecutors in Pensacola. Pensacola has jurisdiction in the case because that is where Foley was when one of the explicit messages was sent.

Joe diGenova, the former U.S. Attorney for Washington, D.C., said investigators likely could not prove the case had merit.

"My guess is they probably have been unable to find evidence of an actual relationship," diGenova said. "Although the e-mails were suggestive, they didn't violate a statute."

There is more at the link.

Is anyone else surprised that this investigation is still going on?

Posted by: Sara | August 25, 2007 at 04:14 PM

"Vietnam today is a unified and stable nation"
As stable as the grave.
IIRC, our ground troops were completely out of the fight by the time of the North's 1972 offensive.

Unfortunately, our massive air power is only useful against Syria and Iran, the USSR and China of this conflict. We may not have to do most of the fighting, but I doubt there'll be peace in Iraq til they're dealt with.

Posted by: Ralph L | August 25, 2007 at 04:19 PM

The irony of this made me burst out laughing:

DNC Disenfranchising Florida Dems?

Posted by: Sara | August 25, 2007 at 04:22 PM

There can be no meeting of the minds on Vietnam, I'm afraid. It isn't so much ideological as it is due to the amount of disinformation over the years. This morning, I watched an interview on Fox about the complaints against CBS for their new reality show that puts 8 thru 15 year olds in an old abandoned mining town alone with no adult supervision and they have to figure out how to survive on their own. Paul Peterson, known to millions as Donna Reed's son, Jeff Stone, was arguing against the premise of the program. Peterson has devoted his adult life to being, as a quote from his bio says: "THE most dedicated advocate in protecting both present-day child stars and shunned one-time celebrity tykes alike. Paul formed A Minor Consideration, a child-actor support group back in 1990, and it has had a tremendously positive and profound effect in Hollywood."

On the other side was one of those women from the Apprentice, who would not stop talking, and never listened. Why do these women think they are making their points by talking nonstop and over the host and other guests? Anyway, this no-nothing motor mouth made her big point by saying in effect, what does Paul Peterson know about child actors and child saftey in the business, he is just an out of touch actor from the 1930s.

This woman is a perfect barometer for all the new '60s wannaabes in the anti-war movement.

Posted by: Sara | August 25, 2007 at 04:41 PM

The real lesson, RL, is that even with our troops effectively out of the fight, the cause in Iraq can still be fragile for awhile.

This looks already like a campaign, and administration, theme.
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Posted by: kim | August 25, 2007 at 04:53 PM

So now they are nitpicking. Back when the discussion about Kerry in Viet Nam and who the President was Christmas 1968 and when we went into Cambodia, they seemed to think that the details were just too silly to mention.

When Kerry called the men in uniform murderers and rapists and compared them to the rampaging army of Genghis Kahn they were willing to take his word for it.

When the NYT itself acted as if whatever slight unpleasantness that might have befallen the people of Viet Nam, Cambodia and Laos after we left was just not worth mentioning I did not see any fact checking going on.

Now they decide to get anal on the details.

Posted by: TerryeL | August 25, 2007 at 05:11 PM

"When Kerry called the men in uniform murderers and rapists and compared them to the rampaging army of Genghis Kahn they were willing to take his word for it."

Why not? They came from the Lubyanka.

Posted by: PeterUK | August 25, 2007 at 05:47 PM

Yes PUK, lest we forget. And why do these leftist always side on the side that is anti-American?

Today in the Opinion Journal, former KGB intelligence officer Ion Mihai Pacepa explained the propaganda tactics of the communists during the Cold War.

Here is a bit of what Pacepa had to say about the Soviet’s propaganda campaign in the West:

During the Vietnam War we spread vitriolic stories around the world, pretending that America’s presidents sent Genghis Khan-style barbarian soldiers to Vietnam who raped at random, taped electrical wires to human genitals, cut off limbs, blew up bodies and razed entire villages. Those weren’t facts. They were our tales, but some seven million Americans ended up being convinced their own president, not communism, was the enemy. As Yuri Andropov, who conceived this dezinformatsiya war against the U.S., used to tell me, people are more willing to believe smut than holiness.
Does that remind you of anyone?

Here are the words of future democratic Senator John F. Kerry in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971:

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam…

Posted by: Sara | August 25, 2007 at 06:06 PM

Oh my God!!! This is freaking unbelievable.

HuffPo Calls For Military Coup In USA

Essentially, they are calling for General Pace, in his role as Joints Chief chairman to arrest the President.

Posted by: Sara | August 25, 2007 at 06:13 PM

I wonder in that article why they never mentioned why we were there in the first place - to save the French who were surrounded at Dien Bien Phu and who requested that we help them out. Eisenhower gave them a bunch of advisers to help the South Vietnamese get up to speed and told them they were they to advise only, not to fight. It was only when JFK and LBJ of sainted memory (**spit**) who decided to build it up and who then permitted the assassination of Pres Diem. It was all downhill after that and then we got the media lying to us about what was going on so they could support the anti-war protesters. Between the protests and the wonderful democratic congress canceling support of the South Vietnamese merely ensured that the South Vietnamese could not win and that Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were able to unleash their genocide.

To tell the truth we have not had a decent democratic president since Truman left office and they did not like him then. JFK was a good speaker, LBJ was unspeakable, Carter was malaise personified and Clinton was so unethical that they will have to screw him into the ground when he dies. The current crop is dire.

Posted by: dick | August 25, 2007 at 07:48 PM

I wonder in that article why they never mentioned why we were there in the first place - to save the French who were surrounded at Dien Bien Phu and who requested that we help them out. Eisenhower gave them a bunch of advisers to help the South Vietnamese get up to speed and told them they were they to advise only, not to fight. It was only when JFK and LBJ of sainted memory (**spit**) who decided to build it up and who then permitted the assassination of Pres Diem. It was all downhill after that and then we got the media lying to us about what was going on so they could support the anti-war protesters. Between the protests and the wonderful democratic congress canceling support of the South Vietnamese merely ensured that the South Vietnamese could not win and that Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were able to unleash their genocide.

To tell the truth we have not had a decent democratic president since Truman left office and they did not like him then. JFK was a good speaker, LBJ was unspeakable, Carter was malaise personified and Clinton was so unethical that they will have to screw him into the ground when he dies. The current crop is dire.

Posted by: dick | August 25, 2007 at 07:48 PM

I wonder in that article why they never mentioned why we were there in the first place - to save the French who were surrounded at Dien Bien Phu and who requested that we help them out. Eisenhower gave them a bunch of advisers to help the South Vietnamese get up to speed and told them they were they to advise only, not to fight. It was only when JFK and LBJ of sainted memory (**spit**) who decided to build it up and who then permitted the assassination of Pres Diem. It was all downhill after that and then we got the media lying to us about what was going on so they could support the anti-war protesters. Between the protests and the wonderful democratic congress canceling support of the South Vietnamese merely ensured that the South Vietnamese could not win and that Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were able to unleash their genocide.

To tell the truth we have not had a decent democratic president since Truman left office and they did not like him then. JFK was a good speaker, LBJ was unspeakable, Carter was malaise personified and Clinton was so unethical that they will have to screw him into the ground when he dies. The current crop is dire.

Posted by: dick | August 25, 2007 at 07:48 PM

I wonder in that article why they never mentioned why we were there in the first place - to save the French who were surrounded at Dien Bien Phu and who requested that we help them out. Eisenhower gave them a bunch of advisers to help the South Vietnamese get up to speed and told them they were they to advise only, not to fight. It was only when JFK and LBJ of sainted memory (**spit**) who decided to build it up and who then permitted the assassination of Pres Diem. It was all downhill after that and then we got the media lying to us about what was going on so they could support the anti-war protesters. Between the protests and the wonderful democratic congress canceling support of the South Vietnamese merely ensured that the South Vietnamese could not win and that Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were able to unleash their genocide.

To tell the truth we have not had a decent democratic president since Truman left office and they did not like him then. JFK was a good speaker, LBJ was unspeakable, Carter was malaise personified and Clinton was so unethical that they will have to screw him into the ground when he dies. The current crop is dire.

Posted by: dick | August 25, 2007 at 07:49 PM

A gay man would say, "You can never have too much dick."

"Clinton was so unethical that they will have to screw him into the ground when he dies" You first.

Posted by: Ralph L | August 25, 2007 at 08:53 PM

That 'correction' makes you wonder why Nixon was so hated after all. I know, the
exposure of Alger Hiss, the humiliation of Voorhis, Gahagan Douglas, Acheson (who in his later years turned out to be a real hawk; which lefty biographer Douglas Brinkley tried to savage as he had to done to Forrestal earlier; the 'secret plan, which turned out to be Vietnamization, the
Anna Chenault back channel to Ky (which doesn't seem surprising at all; seeing as the Democrats abandoned Chiang under simpler
circumstances; they even put out a White Paper; an earlier version of the NIE to justify it. I was going to comment about the
Huff Post's playing coup, but then I saw it came from Martin Lewis; a grade Z British
pundit from MSNBC's Lewinsky era coverage

Posted by: narciso | August 25, 2007 at 08:57 PM

Sara, if you look at the comments at HuffPo, Lewis actually takes his idea seriously, though he is manifestly an idiot if he thinks it isn't grossly evil, mutinous and unconstitutional.

Posted by: Ralph L | August 25, 2007 at 09:07 PM

Bush has Histrians on his side.

Posted by: PeterUK | August 25, 2007 at 09:23 PM

Oh I know Ralph. I blogged about it and asked this question:

"Is it sedition? Should this British born author be deported as an undesirable? Or should he be arrested on felony charges for calling for the armed overthrow of the Government, not only a felony, but in a time of war is punishable by death."

Posted by: Sara | August 25, 2007 at 09:37 PM

All you need to know about news stories from Vietnam during the War

"Perfect Spy: The Incredible Double Life of Pham Xuan An Time Magazine Reporter and Vietnamese Communist Agent."

The North Vietnamese not only had intelligence gleamed from all the foreign correspondents covering the war(supposedly for the free world); they also had their own
disinformation agents feeding much of the so called news American reporters fed to the gullible Walter Cronkite and the other so-called American newsmen.

"For An, journalism was a cover for his job in intelligence, but An lived his cover just as if it was his real life, otherwise he would be dead. The communists had other agents operating in the press whose task was disinformation and shaping the news towards the communist perspective, but this was not An’s mission."

"FP: Tell us in general about who An was.

Berman: I’m not sure anyone really knows the real Pham Xuan An. Even after spending so much time with him, I always acknowledge this first since An fooled everyone with his perfect cover, not just journalists. During the war, An worked first for Reuters, then the New York Herald Tribune and finally for Time Magazine. He was known as an informative, witty, chain-smoking correspondent, regarded as the dean of his trade by foreign reporters covering the war in Vietnam. An’s information and security tidbits are so good about goings on within the Presidential Palace and South Vietnamese General Staff, it was rumored he must be working secretly for the CIA. An has access to U.S. and South Vietnamese military bases and was a regular at diplomatic receptions. His name appeared on every list of accredited MACV (Military Assistance Command, Vietnam) correspondents from 1965-1975. An supplied a large part of Time’s Vietnam copy and was responsible for checking the accuracy of battlefield maps that appeared in the magazine. When South Vietnam fell in April 1975, An stayed behind with his aging mother, but his wife and four children were evacuated to the United States. They were processed at Camp Pendleton and settled in Arlington, Virginia. That shows his complete cover and also raises some intriguing issues that I’m sure we’ll get to."

"Berman: It was in the mid-1940s when the Communist Party recruited An."

"Berman: His mission as a spy was to provide strategic intelligence reports about U.S. war plans and send them into “the jungle,” as he referred to the chain of command. He would do this by writing reports in invisible ink that served as wrappings for traditional Vietnamese rolls and having them carried by his courier system to the VC base in Cu Chi. Eventually these reports made it all the way to Hanoi.

An was an astute analyst and demonstrated very early the capacity to distill complicated military plans into readily digestible reports for his superiors.

Note: I am not fond of Larry Berman's books;
I think his writing is far more proCommunist than it needs to be, and I believe one can see that in this Front Page interview. However he does bring out some facts that show how long the Communists plan their operations in advance and how much of the information Americans hear is what the Communist want Americans to hear.

I believe we'll seeing the same thing in the current situation in Iraq. The information Americans are receiving is what the terrorists want America to believe. The American media in most cases is so eager for an American defeat that they report nothing good for America.

Posted by: pagar | August 26, 2007 at 12:04 PM

The British just do not understand the American Constitution and governmental structure. Even after over 200 years.

Posted by: bio mom | August 26, 2007 at 12:27 PM

Well, bio, since Huff Po gave him space for this dreck one supposes no one there understands it either.

Posted by: Clarice | August 26, 2007 at 12:31 PM

Completely OT - don't think it fits on any of the current JOM threads but....

Chris Wallace just did the most fantastic slap down of Bill Moyers - on Fox News Sunday! I am still a little stunned that he said what he did on the air, but by golly it sure is high time more of this is done! BTW, Hot Air has it on video.

Posted by: centralcal | August 26, 2007 at 01:38 PM

For pagar @ 12:04 PM

Thank you so much for the link to the FrontPage article/conversation.
It should be required reading for EVERYONE.

Posted by: glasater | August 26, 2007 at 03:37 PM

I nominate Canon Andrew White for the Nobel Peace Prize. Read Robert McFarlane in the Opinion Journal, 'A Fatwa Against Violence'.
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