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October 22, 2007

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clarice

Thnx, Jane. I cannot bear wading thru all those lies, evasions and idiocies to find it.

Rick Ballard

Thanks for the pointer, Cathy. Time will tell whether Sad Sack Beauchamp can become Good Troop Beauchamp. Feckless Frankie ain't gonna change and the Asper's are foolish to leave a coward of his ilk in place. They might consider hiring an adult to replace him.

Topsecretk9

NY Sun wasn't impressed with the book

http://www.nysun.com/article/65235

If Valerie Plame's memoir was intended to lay to rest the conflicting accounts of how she came to be outed as a covert CIA agent, it fails. Instead, she paints herself as a naïve, whinging victim of circumstance married to an angry, obstreperous egotist who volunteered to involve himself in a vicious battle between the White House and the CIA over how President Bush came to make untrue statements in a State of the Union speech.

"Fair Game: My Life as a Spy, My Betrayal by the White House" (Simon and Schuster, $26) shows how mistaken her husband's judgment was. Not long after Ambassador Joseph Wilson wrote a piece for the New York Times condemning the president for suggesting, on advice, that Saddam Hussein was trying to buy yellowcake uranium in order to make nuclear weapons, his business collapsed, and his marriage was in tatters.

"The frequent fights, seething accusations, hurtful words, and entrenched bitterness pushed us both to the brink," Ms. Plame writes. And she is talking about her fights with her husband, not Karl Rove...

it goes on - Wilson, really does sound like a dick.

Rick Ballard

My bet re "social spouse" is that it's a cover for a probable Hatch Act violation. She drew gubmint money for time spent on pure politics - there's a law about that, as noted.

Topsecretk9

It spit coffee at the "social spouse" line - reminds me of Wilson's "literary flair" line

Incidentally, I thought t a "social spouse" was a Beard?

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Thanks for the link to Yon Cathyf

Those TNR people ought to feel pretty small if they read that.

clarice

Rick, I have some SEC filings that need analysis for AT and Lifson is tied up. Do you have time?Interest? If so email me and I'll send them to you.

kim

Yon says Beauchamp was given the choice of leaving or staying, and he stayed in Iraq. I have a feeling he may write something very interesting about the New Republic, one of these days.
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cathyf

Note also that because of Beauchamp's violations of opsec, we know that he hadn't been in Iraq very long when he wrote the crap that he wrote. Perhaps the reasons that his superiors offered to let him stay, and the reasons that he decided to stay, are related to experiences that Beauchamp has had between the first week of July and today?

He certainly wouldn't be the first soldier to be transformed by combat zone experiences...

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

I responded.

Cathy,

That might be but he wasn't offered an honorable discharge - the 'choice' he was offered was a "for the good of the service" discharge that would have nullified any benefits due under his enlistment contract. It would also be a permanent 'grey' spot for him going forward - not the black of a less than honorable but not a resume enhancer.

We'll just have to wait until he has his discharge in hand to know.

kim

Hah, cf. Apparently the soldier with Beauchamp during the interview even encouraged the idea that he should only deal with TNR. Can you imagine being stuck in Iraq only allowed to communicate with the outside world through your editors?

Personally, I suspect dear Thomas has been socialized. He is a 'sweet polar bear' after all. Foer is the evil one here.

May we cast aspersions on the owners?
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kim

What chills me, is that had Canon Andrew White not brokered the fatwah against violence, and had the surge not begun incidentally working, TNR could stand by this, AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
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Gmax

Clarice

I am a CPA by training, and if Rick cant help I would be happy to see if I can. Just let me know.

kim

Hey, pooch. Larry and Val won't fight. Not a chance.
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Gmax

Isn't the proper response back to Frnky Foer about his discussion with Kurtz, " sorry but we are not inclined to take your word for it. If you have a transcript of this session please produce it. Otherwise we can not believe anything you say."

Seriously, he tells the public he cant contact STB cuz the army wont let him, and we find out later thats wrong and finally even a transcript is produced. Now we are to come to know that he spoke to him a second time? Something like 7 weeks have passed where you left the impression with the your readers, the public and your critics that you were waiting to speak to STB and would be right back. Now you want us to believe that you have not just the one we found in the transcript but another one? Lawyers are fond of asking at this point, "Were you lying then or are you just lying now?" It cant be both Franklin.

clarice

Thnx Gmax--there are some SEC filings respecting a company Soros once had a major stake in (WellCare) which are tanking based on a major FBI investigation in Tampa. It appears that Soros sold his shares in the company but the SEC filings on Integra (now run by aa former officer of the Soros Fund) seem to indicate a relationship to WellCare and Soros owns that,,but the filings indicate those shares were transferred to a company QIP in the Caymans which presumable is also Soros. I can't figure this out, frankly. If Rick can't I'll forward the SEC filings to you.

kim

They are over the brink already, fastened to each other now only by a false meme, at least partly supported by spousal immunity. Of the two, who would get immunity?
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Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Gmax would be much better for the SEC stuff. I'm going to work on a list of names concrning WellCare.

Patrick R. Sullivan

Just when you think you can't possibly have any less respect for Paul Krugman...he shows up at Firedog Lake, and fits right in:

I spend a lot of time in COAL on the real Ronald Reagan; he wasn’t an avuncular old fellow who advocated true conservatism — for most of his career, he was primarily a clever, insinuating race baiter, who found ways to appeal to racist sentiments — welfare queens driving Cadillacs, etc.. — without actually using the n-word.
PeterUK

Ted Rall supports the troops

Gmax

Clarice

If you need an e-mail acct send me a quick note at redmax55 AT hotmail.com ( replace the AT with @ ). That is my spam account and I will send you another e-mail account by return. I dont care to post it in this open forum as I am afraid the bots may find it and cover me up with spam. Once you send it, post here so I know to go look for it. I dont open that hotmail acct much, unless I am looking for Nigerian investment opportunities!

clarice

GMax--Here's some stuff to look at:

http://www.secinfo.com/durN1.ve4.d.htm

http://investor.integra-ls.com/financials.cfm

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/sec?s=WCG

http://www.secinfo.com/dsvr4.11Nx.2.htm

kim

Shropshire Soul Cakes

3 lbs plain flour
8 oz softened butter
8 oz sugar
1 oz yeast
2 eggs
1 tespoon allspice
milk

Sift the flour and work in he slightly softened butter. Cream the yeast with a teaspoon of the sugar. Mix flour with the eggs, yeast and enough milk to make a light dough. Leave to rise, covered in a warm place for about thirty minutes. Then work in the sugar and spice and form into flat bun shapes. Let rise for fifteen minutes, then bake at 425F for fifteen minutes.

Bak Sheesh. H/t Diana Carey and Judy Large ISBN 0 950 7062 3X
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Gmax

Ok it appears you have provided me links to :

1 Statement of change in Beneficial ownership for Quantum Indutrial Partners LDC date 6/15/2006 of Bluefly Inc. The Ex -99 makes it clear that while tiered, Soros is in control of QIP which exercized some conversion rights.

Here is the description of the uptiers fo ownership directly from the SEC filing:

Quantum Industrial
Partners LDC, an exempted limited duration company formed under the
laws of the Cayman Islands ("QIP"). QIH Management Investor, L.P., an
investment advisory firm organized as a Delaware limited partnership
("QIHMI"), is a minority shareholder of, and is vested with investment
discretion with respect to portfolio assets held for the account of
QIP. The sole general partner of QIHMI is QIH Management LLC, a
Delaware limited liability company ("QIH Management"). Soros Fund
Management LLC, a Delaware limited liability company ("SFM"), is the
sole managing member of QIH Management.

I will continue looking at the other docs, but give me some more feedback on what you are looking for please.

Gmax

Ok it appears you have provided me links to :

1 Statement of change in Beneficial ownership for Quantum Indutrial Partners LDC date 6/15/2006 of Bluefly Inc. The Ex -99 makes it clear that while tiered, Soros is in control of QIP which exercized some conversion rights.

Here is the description of the uptiers fo ownership directly from the SEC filing:

Quantum Industrial
Partners LDC, an exempted limited duration company formed under the
laws of the Cayman Islands ("QIP"). QIH Management Investor, L.P., an
investment advisory firm organized as a Delaware limited partnership
("QIHMI"), is a minority shareholder of, and is vested with investment
discretion with respect to portfolio assets held for the account of
QIP. The sole general partner of QIHMI is QIH Management LLC, a
Delaware limited liability company ("QIH Management"). Soros Fund
Management LLC, a Delaware limited liability company ("SFM"), is the
sole managing member of QIH Management.

I will continue looking at the other docs, but give me some more feedback on what you are looking for please.

clarice

I'm trying to find out what interest Soros or his fund holds in WellCare and what the interrelationships between these three corporations are,GMAX.

Gmax

Here is the only thing I found skimming the 10-K, 10-Q, and prxy statemnt of Integra:

NEAL MOSZKOWSKI has been a director of the Company since 2006. He previously served as a director of the Company from March 1999 to May 2005. He has been the Co-Chief Executive Officer of TowerBrook Capital Partners, LP, a private equity investment company with $2.5 billion under management, since 2005. Prior to joining TowerBrook, Mr. Moszkowski was Managing Director and Co-Head of Soros Private Equity, the private equity investment business of Soros Fund Management LLC, where he served since August 1998. From August 1993 to August 1998, Mr. Moszkowski worked for Goldman, Sachs & Co. and affiliates, where he served as Vice President and Executive Director in the Principal Investment Area. Mr. Moszkowski also currently serves as a director of Wellcare Health Plans, Inc., Bluefly, Inc., Spheris, Inc. and JetBlue Airways Corporation. Mr. Moszkowski is 41 years old.

Gmax

Soros Fund make a direct stock purchase of 70 Million in WellCare in 2002 which you have provided me and I assume you know. What makes you think QIP or Integra is involved?

It may be in all this stuff but I figure you must know something else, why dig through all of this looking for a pony if you all ready know what is found in the stalls?

clarice

I found that Moszkowski thing..Soros sold his stock when WellCare did its IPO. One of our folks says he still believes he owns a substantial share. Given Moszkowski's connection and the inter-relatedness of Well Care and Integra I wondered if Soros/Soros Fund or any other Soros operation had a substantial stake in the company through one of these corporations.

Rick Ballard

Gmax,

The question is whether Soros, through Towerbrook or its successors retained a substantial interest in WellCare. QIH, Integra, QIP, et al infinitum post "disclosures" concerning transactions that make mud appear translucent.

Does Soros and his band of thieves continue to own a substantial portion of WellCare? I sure can't tell but this report indicates that they still have at least their thumb in the cup.

narciso

I've Robert Harris, and I can't say he's a bad writer, Fatherland, Enigma,The one about Stalin's Ghost; the one about Pompeii
was very good. But he seems to have lost his touch with this Ghost; where he condemns the work of a Blair like Prime Minister; in rendering AQ elements out of Pakistan, and to Poland (Is Dana Priest, a consultant) not because he believes in anything but because he wants to join a
Carlyle/Halliburton "Hallington" company right out of the "Manchurian Candidate" remake; and it turns out his wife was recruited by the CIA back in the 70s (Mark Hosenball doesn't show up in the credits
either)

Gmax

Usually Big Dogs like Soros like to be big dogs, so they make major investment positions that either explicitly or implicitly grant them a seat on the Board of Directors. First place I looked, but nothing jumped out there from WellCare. Integra has the former Soros guy, but I dont see the obvious connections to WellCare other than Integra sells orthopedic implants and skin graft products which I am sure are paid for by the insurance coverage of WellCare ( which has a number of States Medicaid plans ).

QIP did not come up at all.

If the Big Dog was under 10% ownership and no board seats or other control, it could be there but not reported.

I have to admit that I skimmed most of the information, since it was multiple years and multiple companies. I could have missed something. Sorry if I was not much help.

I will try again if you have anything else to go on.

clarice

Thanks, GmAx

Gmax

OK according the article above ( linked by Rick ) in Feb 2006 WellCare sought to sell about 5 million shares including 4 million held by Towerbrook. I will go see what jumps up there.

Whitehall

So Wilson talked to some French while on his field trip to Niger.

I've been trying to tell you guys that the French government was involved. They are the people actually doing the mining and processing in Niger.

Gmax

Well at 5 PM I have to take the little one to soccer practice. I did not find a registration document in Feb 2006.

If Towerbrook is spun off from Soros, he could still have an investment in it. If Towebrook is privately held, there is not much way to tell though.

Towerbrook and Neal M. both have relatively small investments in WellCare, even before the share price drop Towerbrook only had about $25mm, which to these guys rounds to zero.

PeterUK

Soros - Wellcare

hit and run

Byron York posted this earlier at the Corner:

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Joe Wilson: Thanks, Hillary [Byron York]

Valerie Plame Wilson recently discussed her new memoir, Fair Game: My Life As a Spy, My Betrayal by the White House, on the left-wing website firedoglake.com. The discussion was moderated by former Clinton White House operative Sidney Blumenthal, and early on in the chat, Wilson's husband, Joseph Wilson, jumped in to make a brief statement:

Two people in Washington helped us understand the broader implications of the fight we have found ourselves in: Sid Blumenthal, and Hillary Clinton. They had both been through the character assassination gauntlet, and were able to get us to see that the fight wasn’t personal, however painful it might be, but was all about how we conduct public debate and discourse in our democracy. I cannot tell you how many times they told us to pull up our socks […and for God's sake, Valerie, put your shirt back on...do you do that EVERY time someone knocks on your door?] and quit feeling sorry for ourselves because the future of the country is what really matters. I am eternally grateful to both for their wisdom and their profound understanding of the pernicious threat posed by the forces of the far right. [blah, blah, blah....::zzzzzzzzzzzz::]

I've been told that Hillary Clinton had dinner with Valerie and Joseph Wilson last spring, but Joe Wilson's words seem to suggest that she offered much more extensive counsel. It would be interesting to know more.

10/25 10:55 AM

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Oh, sorry, should said it before the quote, the words in brackets are mine.

kim

I would guess that the Clintons understand that Kerry dumping Joe in '04 was a mistake. She, and Bill, understand that the false meme, Bush Lied, People Died, can only stand as the Wilsons, and their marriage, stand. They may well also be trying to keep Kerry and Rockefeller, probably others, from being tarred with the Senate Democratic Policy Committee meeting in which the Wilsons bared their breasts.

By the way, when is someone going to take a knife to the offerings?
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clarice

Hillary is collecting quite a brain trust--Berger,Wilson....

Bill in AZ

Joe Wilson said he was going to help Richardson. That liar sucking up to Hillary will do wonders for Richardson.

FRD

Plame's daddy was in the Air force in Alaska(where the true Air Force patriots are). Daddy worked real hard serving the country and getting paid alot with a pension. Daddy insisted his daughter get work after his hard work, he even had to serve at NSA. Daddy's daughter applies to CIA as daddy said she should. Daddy makes phone calls. Plame blows everyone applying in Europe, it's an air force kid, you loose. Plame deals with people who are not in intelligence, but are, for some reason; much better at the job. Maybe they had all that cool training while they were kids growing up.

Plame's ruinations end up working internationally. We really were into the travel and shit. Some worked for the government. Ames blows everyone in Europe, including the ones Plame blew. Some got cuaght up in spy shit. Thanks. Plame shows up, again. She's really mad about her pal who committed treason. She destroys those. Some of Plame's ruins still had money. Plame takes that.

France? Why worry. They have it figured out down to the Director's competition. They just said no to Plame and her pals.

Hillary? She is talking to Plame. She should wonder what Plame was and how much she cost.

FRD

Sure, it wasn't a plan for someone to go bad;

, in a fit of nepotism, sent her own husband on a mission to Niger with the distinctly partisan agenda of seeking to undermine his foreign policy. A trip that her husband then subsequently misrepresented to fit said agenda in a report to the New York Times
KX

Joe's daddy was in diplomacy(where the real spies are). Daddy worked real hard getting paid alot with a pension. Daddy insisted his son get work after his hard work, he ven had wto workin Madrid with the mean Baks while his son grew up. Daddy's son applies to Peace Corps like daddy says he should. Daddy makes phone calls about spies and diplomats. Laws change. Joe works in diplomacy where the money is.

Joe marries Plame, but can't figure the problem. The problem ws already figured with Ames and Howard's trainer. Joe doesn't go to jail.

Kerry. He is talking to Joe. He should wonder what Joe is and how much he cost. Kerry's foreign policy brain trust lost his election.

clarice

FRD, I've no idea what you're talking about.I misplaced my gibberish decoder ring some time ago.

Ann

cipoinno = cioppino

Posted by: Topsecretk9 | October 24, 2007 at 10:31 PM


Tops,

I am sitting in my room at the famous Dutch Inn, Martinsville,VA.
Seven inches of rain today, and i drove every inch. Anyways, my husband loves cipoinno. Would love to have your recipe.

Anyone watch the Virgina Tech game? Depressing, like the rain!

Elliott

Kaus sure got on a roll yesterday. He could barely restrain himself from deploying some JOM lingo.

Meanwhile, for those who enjoy fairy stories, Valerie Plame Wilson nominates some CIA analysts for a profile in courage award:

As we now know, Vice President Cheney and his then Chief of Staff Scooter Libby made an unprecedented number of visits to CIA Headquarters in the run-up to the Iraq war to meet with analysts. Apparently, the vice president kept asking the same questions until he began to hear the answers he wanted. Although there might not have been overt pressure to slant intelligence toward the administration's stance on Iraq and its perceived WMD threat, the very fact that the vice president had taken time out of his day, come into Headquarters and asked a certain line of questions invisibly and insidiously has the effect of conveying a high level of dissatisfaction with what the CIA has already produced. CIA analysts are not dumb.

Once upon a time, under the terrible rule of the Cretin king, the Agency was forced, as tribute, to make lavish sacrifice of its principle to the dreaded Cheneytaur...

Elsewhere, Stanley Kurtz linked to a couple pieces about Syria's nuclear program, including one that discussed possible connections to the Iraqi program.

BR

Kim, for your sweet baksheesh, here's some koeksisters and vetkoek in return.

http://www.biltongbox.com/recipes.html

Check out the Monkey Gland Steak, too. (It should actually be filet mignon with whole oysters in the gravy.)

Hee, I like to have dessert first :)

Just taking a Simmel break from Plame and Dragon Gate. Interesting, above, that Val admits direct link to Hil.

BR

Hm, come to think of it, I wonder if CIA money lands in their candidates' coffers.

BR

And would the Clintons have any investments in Niger "gold mines"? Kind of like the latest convictions of FARC terrorists -- money laundering: payments via the int'l stock markets.

http://capitolhillcoffeehouse.com/more.php?id=4272_0_1_0_M

kim

The lanes are very dirty,
My shoes are very thin,
I've got a little pocket
To put a penny in.
If you haven't got a penny,
A half-penny will do,
If you haven't got a half-penny,
God Bless you.
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BR

Baksheesh to bums?
Belly dancer in drag?

MayBee

Over at the http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/hillary-clinton-a-bundle-of-telecom-moneyand-a-strange-silence/#comments>Lake, they seem to have remembered that they really don't like Spooks after all.
Interesting.

Sue

It really makes me wonder who exactly supports Hillary! for president. Where are the numbers coming from? Everywhere you go on the internet they are less than enthusiastic about her.

MayBee

Sue-
I think it's that the internet, as big as it seems, is just such a tiny portion of the voting population.
FYI, in the thread I posted, if you do a search on Wilson or Plame, you'll see the thread kind of turns into a discussion of them, most of it not positive.

Sue

Maybee,

I can't seem to get through comments at the swamp. I forced myself on the Val thread. I went back and did a search for Plame and found what you were talking about.

PeterUK

"Hillary is collecting quite a brain trust--Berger,Wilson...."

"The Dirty Dozen"?

cathyf

The Dingbat Dozen ?

The Dirty Dingbats ?

(My personal fave, first applied to a different, though somewhat familiar, group:

The Criminal Caucus

VS

Telecom is really Arlen Specter(like in spook and the movie). The phone compaines go through Hersehy, PA. Specter and hispals are going to see all the NSA documents. What Plame accessed there.

"Once upon a time, under the terrible rule of the Cretin king, the Agency was forced, as tribute, to make lavish sacrifice of its principle to the dreaded Cheneytaur..."

Plame's defender over the treason remark is Abrams, like in tank and PC, but what's important is he's a Dr. in bio technology. He checks things like genetics and sells his knowledge to people like Holebrook at drug companies. He helps people like Plame with Psychiatric problems (before she was married) and, maybe helps with fertility issues, like Joe's really not shooting blanks, but we have to make the coven happy. Maybe someone messed up at a clinic in Bethesda. So, Plame is battling these evil covens who control the future of families in intelligence. She lost, but that's okay, she's a real patriot and it's not her fault and it wasn't planned that way and all of DC knew it.............

The NSA used to be army DoD. CIA analysts moved there when Air Force(CIA directors) had them becasue Congress was trying to abolish CIA. NSA hired, liked CIA, a bunch of linguists. They all work at DoD/NSA now. So, who leaked and who is getting access to documents now? Arlen is going to do a cover up either way. He is going to deny other people access.

Soif

NM where the aliens landed and Joe and Val moved discovers the GHOST(spy, spook, boo - man) CHILI:

http://www.physorg.com/news112629692.html

BR

Hmmmm, Soif, you're making me hungry! I suggest some Gulab Jamun -- Succulent Milk Balls in Rose-scented Syrup for dessert :)

Some sweet after your hot!

http://www.cuisinecuisine.com/GulabJamun.htm

hit and run

Ann:
I am sitting in my room at the famous Dutch Inn, Martinsville,VA.


Holy smokes, that's like a 3 wood from here.

I mean, if I pured it.

cathyf

So who has the gibberish-translating secret decoder ring? We've collected an inordinate number of wacko posts on this thread...

hit and run

Well, I'm on beer #3. I'm going out to dinner in a little with mrs hit and run and her parents, at which point I intend on having 2-3 martinis. When I get back, I will probably then consume 3-4 more beers.

That may provide me with the gibberish-translating secret decoder state of intoxication...

I'll let you know.

hit and run

2 martinis at dinner and 2 beers since getting home.

didn't help. though i've seem to have lost my shift key.

Ann

I thought I might be in the back yard of some JOMers. It has been a long, raining, depressing day. We went to a funeral for our beloved Mrs. Ruby, 96 years old in Collinsville, VA. Great lady!

We finally made it to Richmond; still raining!

Cerulean, lets keep Clarice and Jane guessing! I just wanted to be first in the rotation. :) :) That's my story!'

Topsecretk9

We went to a funeral for our beloved Mrs. Ruby, 96 years old in Collinsville, VA. Great lady!

Oh - sad. Mrs. Ruby.

Ann
I am working on the recipe, have half composed (I should have had it fully composed before I opened my big mouth and then cry-babied no one was interested - typical me) - It's lost in an office of unbelievable mess! I'll try to do the rest from memory, but um.... power cord was left at this office to laptop where this 1/2 recipe resides in now unattainable.

BR

Hit, you're hilarious!

Cathy, here's part of the code. See Simmel in a 19 July 05 item re fun recipes in the middle of spy novel cliffhangers. (One of over 20 valuable threads at wizbang on Plamegate. By that time we were having fun like Hit and Run:)

Rich -- thanks for reading the book for us. Could you check the index for the names: Mapes, Lukasiak, Linda Starr, Bernard Weiner, John W. Dean III ?

My guess is CBSgate connects to Plamegate and ultimately, Dragon Gate. (And, of course, the original, Watergate, itself.)

Food for thought - was Plame & Hillary involved with the CBSgate forgeries? Why is it taking so long to get an arrest and conviction on the forgerers?

kim

Nice links, BR, you confushan-maka you.
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SlimGuy

I have been watching dear Val on her net tour of FireDogLake and her posting gig over at HuffPo.

The last time I saw that much sucking up was when my Uncle put the milking machine one of his prize Holstein cows.

sophy

I do not know how to use the wakfu money ; my friend tells me how to use.

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