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» NYT Completely Botches Claim On Racial Disparity In Cop-Stops, Plus Calls Hispanics "Them Hispanic People" For Good Measure from Ace of Spades HQ
Journalism. Whites are more, not less, likely to be given "summosnes" (sic) by cops, and more cops were found to hassle whites than originally reported. Other than that, the article is perfectly accurate, though we await a response from "them... [Read More]

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MayBee

But officers are more likely to frisk, search, arrest black or to use force

Is "arrest black" kind of like Coke Black?

TM

Is "arrest black" kind of like Coke Black?

I assumed it was a black thing and didn't feel comfortable going there.

bgates

I fear we are creating a city of scofflaws.
Scofflaws, no. Scoffpapers, perhaps.

GarandFan

As with all these "studies" I've read over the years, NONE answer basic questions:

1. reason for stop?
2. subject stopped have valid ID?
3. subject on parole?
4. subject on probation?
5. subject arrested for drunk in public?
6. subject arrested for drug influence?
7. subject arrested for outstanding warrant?

The idiots running the 'studies' are not cops. They are bean counters. I'm surprised they did not come to the conclusion that the "street stops" did not occur according to racial percentages of the population.

Like I said, idiots.

clarice

Just taking a guess here, but with the latest studies showing how many illegal immigrants there are here (50% in Texas;30% in Miami),how likely is it that officers might consider a summons to Hispanics likely to be ignored?

 Mike

One other interesting twist is that the study says the differences in searching are slight and go so far as to say that "While there is a gap, this difference is much
smaller than what the aggregate statistics indicated."

Needless to say, the Times skipped over this qualifier to meet their agenda.

jimmyk

The idiots running the 'studies' are not cops. They are bean counters.

They are also not economists, who have understood for a long time how to "count beans" correctly. You look at percentage of arrests among those stopped for each group. Or the percentage of contraband among those frisked for each group. So if, for example, a disproportionate number of blacks were being pulled over, but of those pulled over in each group, a similar percentage ended up being arrested, then the cops are doing the right thing.

Bruce (NYPD Retired)

Bingo, clarice!

A summons may be issued "in lieu of" arrest, where the individual can be verified as to pedigree and residence. Where a persons pedigree CANNOT be verified, an officer is PROHIBITED from issuing a summons or Desk Appearance Ticket - he/she must be arrested and processed normally through the system so their ID can be established.

Bruce (NYPD Retired)

Bingo, clarice!

A summons may be issued "in lieu of" arrest, where the individual can be verified as to pedigree and residence. Where a persons pedigree CANNOT be verified, an officer is PROHIBITED from issuing a summons or Desk Appearance Ticket - he/she must be arrested and processed normally through the system so their ID can be established.

hit and run

A little Corner love from Andy McCarthy.

Chris

It's all in the "layers". You know, the fact-checkers and editors that separate the pros from the riff-raff and rabble.

ian

A few years back I read the NY State Attorney General's report about NYC police stop and frisk policies. The kicker was buried in a footnote: whites were more likely to be stopped without reasonable suspicion in NYC than non-whites, at least according to the analysis. Still haven't heard anyone charge the NYPD with anti-white racial profiling yet.

cathyf
whites were more likely to be stopped without reasonable suspicion in NYC than non-whites, at least according to the analysis. Still haven't heard anyone charge the NYPD with anti-white racial profiling yet.
I'm guessing the "whites stopped without reasonable suspicion in NYC" is a politically correct euphemism for "white people hanging about in black or hispanic neighborhoods, obviously there to buy drugs."
ian

Cathyf, maybe you should go actually read the report. A little effort can answer a lot of questions. It certainly beats guessing.

Dennis  D

Stopping a Jewish Real Estate Salesperson in Queens must be as dangerous as stopping a car full of Hip Hop thugs in Spanish Harlem I suppose. Better search that Realtor who may have a SUBPRIME weapon in his car.

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