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Comments

True American Patriot

It's our lucky day then, isn't it, Tom?

PeterUK

Highway flares? Obviously a member of Sendero Luminoso.

Topsecretk9

It's bad for Hillary.

I'm not sure I agree with this. I don't think it matters one bit. It looks as if this is just a poor soul and has no effect on Hillary. At least it doesn't change my view of Hillary either way.

I guess I just don't see it.

True American Patriot

You don't see because you don't want to see.

Hillary is bad and therefore everything that involves -- or doesn't involve -- Hillary is bad. Bad for Hillary.

Hillary drove that man to drink and caused his life to become meaningless.

Tom understands.

clarice

HEH,PUK.
Elizabeth Edwards "Bless her heart"(If you know the South, you know what that means) is already blaming it on the climate of hate.

I blame it on the fercocked notion that there's no such thing as "mental illness".It's just a "myth".(Thomas Szasz) and that the state should not be allowed to lock up for treatment people who are such an obvious danger to themselves and others except in the most extraordinary circumstances--a rare right and left kumbaya with the left buying Szasz and the civil liberties crock while the right saw a neat way to cut down on public expenditures).

Porchlight

I think the political fallout depends on her reaction. If she tries to make hay out of it with some b.s. about health care or the VRWC, that will backfire. People's patience for that kind of Clintonian spin is not inexhaustible. The more sensible approach would be to make compassionate, relieved noises, congratulate the community on their handling of the situation, and move on.

Rick Ballard

Nothing like a little Fe-y supplement, TM.

Semanticleo

"she is the candidate that enrages a sizable slice of the public."

Are you talking per capita or obesity?

It may just be your POV, but inquiring publicans want to know.

centralcal

I love it that the poor guy was calling CNN all afternoon (in the middle of his crisis, hostage taking, no less!!!!) - he probably wanted to have a You Tube moment.

I love it that the guy pulls this terrible stunt on a day when we are talking about Republican vs. Democrat mental health!

Too ironic.

Porchlight

"Bless her heart" - good one Clarice. Works perfectly for Mrs. Edwards.

monroe

BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME!

PeterUK

Now if it was Bill that was running,this could be an enraged husband ,father,brother or boyfriend.Then again...

Cecil Turner

What, Clinton attracts nuts? Ain't exactly news, is it?

PeterUK

"Are you talking per capita or obesity?"

You,fat head.

PeterUK

"What, Clinton attracts nuts? Ain't exactly news, is it?"

Not really,they both married one.

hit and run

There have been no denials that this guy was a bundler on the lam. Suspicious, that.

PeterUK

There has has been no denial that the man was sent in there to take one for the team.

HG

As I type I do not know

I hope that it ends peaceably with no one hurt

We know it was a commenter...........

Leeland? Leeward. Baytown?

Porchlight

The misidentification of the hostage taker was very strange. For hours the name of one guy was reported - with his son coming in to talk to police and the media. Now they've ID'd the guy as someone entirely different. The NH freak population must be pretty high...I imagine Mark Steyn (an NH resident) will be weighing in on this, if he hasn't already.

Letalis Maximus, Esq.

Like all good Senators and Congressional Reps, at the slighest hint of danger, Hillary appears to have...disappeared. Cancelled all appearances. Went into hiding. Once the coast was clear, came out and held a press conference. I am amazed she couldn't find some other Dems to join her in a spirited rendition of "God Bless America."

Ignorance is Bliss

He was probably irate that his You-Tube question had been overlooked for the Republican debate.

...and he probably figured that if he got a job with the Clinton campaign he'd have a better shot.

Is he crazy? Crazy like a fox.

Sara

She's in New Hampshire giving a press conference, with all the law enforcement people involved surrounding her.

Jeff Fecke

She's in New Hampshire giving a press conference, with all the law enforcement people involved surrounding her.

Hiding in plain sight. Damn you, Clinton!

Topsecretk9

Posted by: Jeff Fecke | December 01, 2007 at 02:54 AM

Hmm. It was shown that she went incognito when the hostage was announced. The press pre-hostage were complaining about her in- hiding-no access treatment and in this situation she went deep out of sight waiting for the My Pet Goat book Sandy Berger hid in the dead drop?

MarsVsHollywood

No surprise she disappeared. As former First Lady and Presidential candidate, she has Secret Service protection. They have little sense of humor about stuff like this.

It's not going to hurt her. The guy was apparently seeking her out to get her help, not because he was mad at her. She's already described him as someone crying for help in an "inappropriate" way.

Curly

How can we be sure that Eisenberg wasn't a CNN plant? I call it the "Eisenberg Uncertainty Principle"...

centralcal

It was an elaborate campaign ad for Hillarycare. Mr. Eisenberg complained (repeatedly in multiple calls to CNN) that he was unable to get the mental health care he needed because it would cost "thousands of dollars." He "needed" to speak to Hillary!

John

Actually, now it's all over and leaving aside the more nutty comments above, it's clear Clinton has emerged from this as a star. Several newspapers are already publishing stories about how well she handled herself and then got huge coverage at the two peaks of yesterday's news cycle 6.30 and 11.00. I don't live in NH but it has to be dominating the news there so she is probably going to get a bounce from it I'd say. That's the problem with the Hillary haters from extreme left and extreme right (that's what they have in common:extremism) they view everything through a distorted prism and that's just not how the real world views things.

centralcal

"it's clear Clinton has emerged from this as a star"

You seem to be quite serious about this. Ann Althouse does a fantastic job of critiquing Hillary's boffo performance.

I think a majority of observers would agree with her take on this (those both "extreme" and from the "real world").

clarice

Macsmind is hinting there's a backstory to this which will break this weekend.

Eric J

Look for the Truthers to turn this into a botched CIA mind-control assassination. (Similar techniques to Mark David Chapman and John Hinkley.) Any odds on whether they'll find a copy of Catcher in the Rye in his personal effects?

centralcal

I was eating dinner when Hillary "the star" gave her statements to the press about the days' events.

I was, uh, struck, uh, by her, uh, speech patterns. I wondered if anyone else was noticing?

Well, it seems that AJStrata heard what I heard: "But Hillary could not get three words strung together without an “uh” stuck in there."

clarice

She never can. You've uh never uh noticed this before?

centralcal

Truth be told, I try NOT to listen to her most of the time. I can't stand the sound of her voice. I felt the same way about John Kerry. Even if you discount their words (which I admit I disagree with), it is their gawd awful delivery of their words that send me to the remote to change channels.

That would be a wonderful polling subject. Wonder if anyone has thought of that before?

kim

Wow, I just found three words whose dictionary definitions differ from my understanding; persiflage, perseverate, and confabulate.

I was looking for the words to describe her 'uhs'. 'Uhs' are common in confabulatory speech, informal and folksy. 'Uhs' are also common in the speech of people with the need to constantly check what they are saying with what they have previously said. Perhaps she is deliberately using them to soften her persona, but I doubt it. Now whether the constant crosschecking of her speech is cautionary or deceitful, I'll let you be the judge.
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Porchlight

I can't stand That Voice, either. Kinda funny, if you Google:

hillary "that voice"

you get some interesting results. I think a lot of people are on the same wavelength.

clarice

I expect uh speech is also a sign of someone searching without a scriptwriter for a way to string together a couple of words in a somewhat coherent fashion.
In the way that some people interject "you know" repeatedly in whatever they say. (Her Highness does this, too.)
I expect it's this AND your suggestion that he's playing for time to monitor what she's saying to make sure it's "on message".

Of course, it could just be a flaw in the machinery.Robo-candidates are a fairly new concept and need work.

clarice

***that She's playing for time ***

Quite a slip.Oops

centralcal

Oh, Porchlight! Thanks for the google tip. I had some great laughs from the search results.

Here is one of my favorites from Glen Beck:

"BECK: It can`t be just me. I know it`s not. I mean, if there`s somebody in your life whose voice just sticks in your ear like an ice pick, somebody who makes every part of you just clench every time they speak. Yes, the senator and presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton has a voice like that. It makes me envy the deaf. It does."

Yeah, ice pick in the ear. Perfect description.

glasater

When I was going to Toastmasters years ago, our club did not tolerate "uh" in a speech. Someone listening would fire a clicker for every "uh" spoken. Plus the offender would have to pay a nickle for every "uh" counted.

kim

It's possible to pity her and her Democrats. Were she not Bill's wife her flaws as a politician would have been limiting, before. Now they've got another Gore, another Kerry. When will they learn?
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Neo

Glen Johnson of the Associated Press has to be one of the most transparent Hiliary ass kissers claiming to be a journalist since Eleanor Clift of Newsweek.

kim

Lyin's and spiders and monkeys, oh my!
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kim

C, have you seen James Hansen's latest idiocy, that coal trains supplying powerplants are the equivalent for endangered species as the death trains were for carrying people to the camps?
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Porchlight

Centralcal, I read in a novel once that you can tell a tone deaf person by a certain quality in their voice. I think Hillary's voice has that quality (isn't there video somewhere of her singing horribly?). It's going to be real hard on the ears for a long time if she wins.

kim

Ah, then I predict deer in the headlight moments to come.
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Porchlight
by a certain quality in their voice

Oops, their speaking voice, that is....

centralcal

OT: Yesterday I mentioned a letter written by Quin Hillyer to CNN threatening lawsuit over elements of the Campbell Brown documentary. Here is CNN's response (from MediaBistro)

"Yesterday, FishbowlDC first reported the complaints lodged by Citizens United against CNN concerining the cable network's 'Broken Government' program.

We've obtained this statement from CNN's Campbell Brown:


I'm glad that this documentary is generating discussion among those that it portrayed - "the passionate partisans on the left and right" We presented a balanced and entertaining look at how various groups of all political persuasions try to influence the process. I am both thrilled with the documentary and the fact that more than million people tuned in."

I used to like Campbell Brown.

clarice

"More than a million people"? That's not terribly many actually, especially when one considers most of them are probably stuck in hospital beds and airports without any way to change the station.

MayBee

Couldn't Hillary just have met with him? He just wanted to ask her one question!! What does a guy have to do? Get a motorhome and camp outside her home for a few months?

PeterUK

The "uh" sound is more alarming than you think,this is the sound the Lizard People make when they have a rodent stuck in their craws.

kim

"Craws"? I thought you said 'hawsers'.
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Topsecretk9

No surprise she disappeared. As former First Lady and Presidential candidate, she has Secret Service protection. They have little sense of humor about stuff like this.

Hollywood...I didn't say it was a surprise she disappeared or wrong.

I was pointing out that it's pretty standard operating procedure and necessary -- much like the President detail insisted on after 9-11 that made the left pee their pants about.

It's prudent for Hillary - Wrong and Evil for Bush.

Jane

I was sort of appalled by Hillary's press conference when she ended by talking about how being a mother reduced her to a quivering bowl of jelly. Hell imagine how she would react to a school shooting? All that weeping in the oval office would be a problem. She is just too compassionate for the job.

MayBee

Very very good clarice. And perfect comment Jane.

clarice

You, me and Althouse, Jane.

clarice

Thnx, MayBee

maryrose

I am convinced Hillary really doesn't hear how she sounds otherwise she would greatly modulate her voice and tone. To me it's like fingernails on a chalkboard, not really a soothing sound.
Also you notice how fast she high-tailed it out to Iowa today-
She knows she's in trouble out there. Obama is moving ahead and I see a sea change in the contests ahead. All candidates will be on the Michigan ballot-some people have been working behind the scenes to make that happen and other than Nevada it's anybody's game in the early states. Fox poll has her only ahead by 10 in New Hampshire.

Hattie

Ann Althouse is full o' shit.

clarice

Actually, Hattie, I think having viewed your blog and hers, you are projecting. Eisenberg by the way is a Democrat who viewed Clinton, not with hatred, but as someone who'd help him because of her health care stance. In any event as I noted in my blog, he was scheduled that afternoon to appear at a hearing charging him with spousal abuse, and knowing nutters I suspect he thought this was way more fun and self aggrandizing than another judicial punishment for banal, anti-social behavior.

centralcal

Hattie - what a stereotypical comment from a lefty!

PeterUK

"When the hostages had been released and their alleged captor arrested, a regal-looking Hillary Rodham Clinton strolled out of her Washington home, the picture of calm in the face of crisis."

Not there and after the event,what was she doing during the siege?
She isn't in the Sudan either,does that make her double cool?

maryrose

clarice;
Great article and the"Just like from a Can" analogy is priceless! most of what Hillary says sounds canned

Topsecretk9

Sorry this OT but interesting and Clarice might find it interesting

You might recall I left a bunch of links that indicated the fired US Attorney Carol Lam was the source of leaks that led to Brent Wilkes (CIA bud of Dusty Foggo) indictments that he was found guilty of bribery earlier this month (or last mont - Hey Clarice -- our birthday is tomorrow - Happy Birthday you wonderful lady!)

Anyways - early on Wilkes attorney Geragos filed papers about the leak and said he had been told about the indictment by reporters BEFORE the indictment and some other information leaked etc. etc.

The judge agreed that the leaks were pretty bad and ordered the DOJ to conduct an investigation into them but that is about it --- DOj just sort of did what they do with leaks...

So Geragos is going to file an appeal based on those leaks and a couple of interesting tidbits...

Here is one of the reporters website - AP reporter Seth Hettena...apparently the judge is pissed and now going to sign the reporter subpoenas because the US Attorney charged with investigating the leak filed this declaration...

After reviewing the foregoing materials, I concluded that an investigation in the circumstances of this case was unlikely to succeed in identifying the source of any improper disclosure. Leak investigations are among the most difficult investigations to conduct. The disclosures reported here both in press accounts and by defense counsel lacked any signature information. In addition, several dozen individuals were involved in the indictment review process, and months had passed prior to my appointment, making it exceedingly unlikely that I could determine when each person first learned of particular information and who else knew. Experience has taught me that leak investigations in such circumstances are rarely successful.

Which is pretty bad, since geragos's original filing indicated he had been told by reporters and she never followed up on it from that end.

Also, what I find very interesting is this reporter has a post up about all the CIA traffic he getting on his site...and he links an article..

...but since a lot of folks at the CIA have been perusing my site lately, I thought I would post the Copley News Service and the CIA Article I mentioned...


I think it is really interesting he is getting a lot of traffic from the CIA.

Topsecretk9

Oh ...and here is what Geragos says about Hetena

Seth Hettena is a journalist, who authored “Feasting on the Spoils: The Life and Times of Randy Cunningham, History’s Most Corrupt Congressman.” Mr. Hettena called defense counsel and inquired regarding the investigation into Mr. Wilkes and his alleged role in wrongdoing with former Congressman Cunningham. Mr. Hettena claimed to have a draft(s) indictment prior to its issuance and revealed portions of the proposed charges to defense counsel. Mr. Hettena had to have received the draft(s) of or any substance of a proposed indictment(s) from someone on the prosecution team.

Lisa Meyer's is also on the list

clarice

Thnx maryrose and TS (pinkie touch ,TS) that is interesting.
Actually, I think what the US Atty said is rather sensible--too bad, Fitz took a different view. As for Geragos, he's rather a show man and you have to take everything he says with a giant lump of salt.
That's not to say Lam or people in her office were not the leakers, it's just to evaluate the claims made by defense counsel.

Topsecretk9

As far as i can tell Hettena isn't disputing this...also I am looking at from a totally different perspective as the lefty Bush-Gonzales conspiracy because they were attempting to thwart the prosecution (why?) by firing her because if that were their intention it um - didn't work!! -because the other US attorney on the case took over, so that has always been dumb as is whatever other stupid theory they have ---

I know I left a link that indicated that Lam was in part fired for the leak - her record was weak and then there was evidence she leaked confidential information.

I'm thinking from the DOJ perspective this was pretty egregious and a huge embarrassment.

clarice

Could be, but I suppose it'd be easier to defend any firing of a US atty if the charge were simply failed to take adequate measures to prevent leaking..in which case she's be responsible (correctly) for loose material handling even if it couldn't be proven that she was the leaker.

centralcal

Whoa! I am speechless. Timothy Rutten - LA Times:

"In any event, CNN has failed in its responsibilities to the political process and it's time for the leaders of both the Republican and Democratic parties to take the network out of our electoral affairs."

Link in url.

clarice

Does this mean I won't have to watch CNN in airports anymore? Please..I'm begging.

clarice

That is a hell of a piece by Rutten.

centralcal

Yes, I thought so too! With everything that MSNBC gets away with, with nary a tsk tsk from anyone on the left, I find it curious that the left is more willing to call out CNN.

Could it be the Clinton connections? Not all Dems are in Hillary's camp. Whatever is the reason, I applaud Mr. Rutten for his article.

MarsVsHollywood

I was pointing out that it's pretty standard operating procedure and necessary -- much like the President detail insisted on after 9-11 that made the left pee their pants about.

It's prudent for Hillary - Wrong and Evil for Bush.

OK, Tsk9, I misunderstood. I too have tried many times to point this out to Pet Goat-obsessed lefties. It's like talking to a brick wall sometimes. :)

Topsecretk9

MarsVsHollywood

OK, Tsk9, I misunderstood. I too have tried many times to point this out to Pet Goat-obsessed lefties. It's like talking to a brick wall sometimes. :)

exactly.

centralcal

TNR publishes a "retraction?"

I made the mistake of sending the article to my printer. It is still going - 11 PAGES!

centralcal

oh yeah - linky thingy in url.

Other Tom

If I understand Cleo's point about obesity, she is concerned that, if elected, Hillary will have the most ponderous buttocks of any president since William Howard Taft. We're talking three axe-handles wide here.

Larry

Hillary on oil companies' "windfall" profits: "I'm going to take those profits..."

If her opponents run that quote and the Wicked Witch cackle on the Sunday AM shows a few weeks ago, she's done.

Chris B

"I'm going to take those profits..."

and your little dog, too!!!

Cecil Turner

Whoa! I am speechless.

That's funny. Rutten can't seem to find the weeds, and is disappointed CNN's version didn't make Republicans look worse. Talk about the long way 'round to come to the right conclusion.

And I'm particularly disappointed in CNN now that I know they had questions of this caliber submitted. Excerpt:

D. And Tancredo, I don't know if Ronald Reagan hated Mexicans, but I do know that he armed a lot of 'em.
J. What, did he arm Mexicans?
D. Whatever they were.
Oh how did I miss this one? That's the funniest thing I've seen in weeks. Best line:
Sit yer gay general ass down!
This one's almost as good.

Elliott

I don't have any ideas for JOM t-shirts at present, but I submit the following suggestion for TNR apparel:

The New Republic: Foerm over Substance.

Foerwarned, foersaken, etc., will probably produce suitable results as well.

clarice

Was the Foer tale lame or what?

Elliott

I haven't read it yet, but I'm not expecting it to be high in plausibility.

clarice

It'll meet your expectations.

MayBee

It's lameness was Foer told.

centralcal

Elliott: Foer's opus is "sad and awkward" -to quote another blog's commenter.

Clarice quoted a piece of the Persian poet on another thread, about another post ... "the moving finger writes ..."

I would have to finish the Beauchamp/Foer fabulism with the rest of:

...Nor all your piety, nor wit, shall lure it back to cancel half a line of it; nor all your tears wash out a word of it.

Basically, Foer tries really hard to re-write what cannot be rewritten.

PeterUK

"Hillary will have the most ponderous buttocks of any president since William Howard Taft."

These things are said to be highly prized in the Middle East.

Ann

Elliott,

Thanks for posting about my T-shirt idea. I didn't get a response, which surprises me. I thought the JOM ladies would of wanted a "MUD WRESTLING FOR REAL MEN" T for sure. You know one with pictures of Brit Hume, Hit, and Mark Steyn.

Speaking of real men, what does Mark Hemingway look like? He might qualify:

Hillary Has A Halo

Ann

"Hillary will have the most ponderous buttocks of any president since William Howard Taft."

Now that would make a great T-shirt!!!

clarice

Well, Ann, everyone does T shirts. I was hoping for something different--JOM mojito muddlers or, well, you know.........

Porchlight

I love the idea of coffee mugs, or anything having to do with beverages (alcoholic or not). Mojito muddler works for sure. I don't tend to go for t-shirts because unless they're cut for women, they usually look terrible on me. Other than that, you create it, I'll buy it!

MayBee

Oh, darling Ann. I couldn't do a t-shirt. I'm too new here and I have to get to know people. I live in Waxman's district, for heaven's sake. I would be shunned in any political sounding t-shirt that didn't say IMPEACH!

Ann

Clarice,

Happy, Happy Birthday! What are you doing to celebrate the great day?

By the way: Can you have a cute picture of Hit on a muddler?
They do kinda go together. :) :)

And as a birthday present, Several blogs are talking about this:
Hillary Booed

clarice

Thnx, Ann..Nothing all that special followed next week with a family get together at Caneel Bay, our favorite.

Hit is a surefire winner.

MayBee

Happy Birthday clarice!
In your honor, I got the pressure cooker you recommended.

Ann

MayBee,

I completely understand! It took great courage for anyone to put a BUSH/CHENEY sticker in their back window where I live.

But you could wear it to bed.

As Hit says:

{VIMH} Don't Go There!

:) :) :) or ::grin:: ::grin::

MayBee

My husband's a Democrat.
Also, I wouldn't want him to think I meant anything by "Just One Minute".

Topsecretk9

Um...this comment is at TNR, Beachamp thread

| Posted by Carol Herman 15 of 72 | warn tnr | respond Oddly enough, I'm not impressed with our army, using it's PR machinery to try and get TNR to "surrender." Journalists, under our US Constitution, actually have rights to persue stories. And, here? The army not only interferred. It had a goal. To destroy TNR over one soldier's imagined "personal" diary. Of course, no one is reporting much from Iraq. So, I'll guess part of the silence (just like the silence among the majority), is that people are disgusted. Bush? Even after 9/11, he persued an agenda that speaks volumes of Saudi involvement. No one's called him on this. No one! It's as if our press is totally stymied. While Maliki hates out guts. And, for years has been siding with the iranians; to push back on the sunni terror. If there was no surge? The sunnis, in Iraq, were kaput. And, that's ALL General Petraeus did! He explained to the sunnis, in Iraq, and in Riyadh, that if the Al-Qaeda terrorists weren't stopped; there'd be hell to pay. So, that's it for the "surge." And, probably, this attack by the right, coupled to the military's PR might, shows up on the radar screen. You bet. It's a flaw. On the order of John Adams (our 2nd president's) attempts at destroying his "enemies." With the Sedition Act. (Set to expire in 1801. Since he didn't want to bet he'd be voted in for a 2nd term.) Wasn't. Our 3rd President, Thomas Jefferson, got elected, instead. And, despite the Sedition Act being in play for most of the 4 years of John Adams' term. Ah. If they only taught history well. For others? Well, you could read THE GENIUS OF AMERICA, and begin to get a handle on the wonders of our US Constitution. The press has a FREE HAND when it comes to investigations. The PR machinery of the army, notwithstanding; there's still a lot to learn from what's been going on during Dubya's time in office.


Balloon Juice factory of deceit member?

clarice

Thanks,MayBee. I hope you like the pressure cooker. In the cookbook that comes with it, there's a good basic recipe to get the hang of it--try the risotto and the beef stews. I once even used it to make a chocolate bread pudding which was quite yummy and a good way to use up old bread.

This is going to be a busy week and I'll be gone the following week, but if you contact me after that and like risotto, I'll send you my adaptation of Villa D'Este's smoked salmon and scotch risotto made in the cooker.

You can use any risotto recipe you like, just adjust the rice/liquid amounts to conform to the master recipe in that cookbook and you're good to go.

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