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December 20, 2007

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vinman_from_wikistan.com

Good morning, TM, and thanks for starting my day off just right!

kim

I'll bet Kerry has stills and video from those days. What did he film and when did he film it?
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clarice

I repeat what I said earlier, there's a good documentary on the Kerry campaign in which a key staffer admits that Kerry did not respond to the ads more forecefully because they were essentially correct.

kim

Yes, C; the response was to try to suppress the message, not to refute it.
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Tom Maguire

Well, this is from the Times, following the Cutter link:

''It's not something that can be easily or successfully discredited,'' said one party strategist, who requested anonymity because he did not want to be seen as undermining Mr. Kerry's campaign. ''It's guys talking about how they felt and you can't discredit someone's description of his own feelings.''

That is not the same as saying they are "correct", but yes, the ads were difficult for Kerry. And as the book fondly recounts, John Edwards had said at the convention, roughly, "Just ask the men who served with him". How did that work out?

Patrick R. Sullivan

Oh, the radio interview is a classic:

Hartmann: We're talking with Scott Swett, the author of a new book, "To Set The Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry." Scott, let's talk about strategy for a second here. Much of the book is historical and detailing, you know, all the terrible things about John Kerry. But the subtitle, how the Swift Boat veterans and the new media defeated John Kerry is something that intrigues me. George W. Bush arguably was a deserter, something who under law could have been executed. If you're AWOL for more than thirty days, you’re a deserter, and he went AWOL for well over thirty days...

Swett: You’re suggesting that George Bush should have been executed?

Hartmann: I'm suggesting that George Bush committed a crime that at various times in the history of this country has resulted in execution.

Swett: That seems like a rather stretched perspective on his service...

kim

There's a ring to that 'rather stretched perspective'.
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kim

Is 'rather stretched' anything like 'procrustes bedded'?
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clarice

TM, that is not the quote I'm thinking of. In the video I saw the staffer clearly said the charges in the ads were "substantially true".

clarice

This wiki entry details the efforts to scotch the Stolen Honor production.
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ApNBU85n1rIJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Honor+transcript+video+on+Kerry+campaign&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=48&gl=us>Solen Honor

It's interesting to recall that the champion of free speech, the NYT, was all for limiting here.

Other Tom

I will order the book the instant I finish posting this message. As JOM regulars know, my hatred of this man is boundless and permanent.

Bingo

TM, that is not the quote I'm thinking of. In the video I saw the staffer clearly said the charges in the ads were "substantially true".

Actually it wasn't a staffer. It was a reporter (whose name escapes me) embedded with the Kerry campaign and can be seen in the trailer for "Inside The Bubble" at frame 2:22.

The quote text is...

"I...(Unintelligible)...mean the problem was that swiftboat was largely true."
clarice

That's the documentary I was thinking of. Are you sure that was an embedded reporter , not a staffer?

kim

With the media in the tank for Kerry, there is not much effective difference between an embedded reporter and a staffer. A distinction without a difference. See Mary Mapes, a rather egregious example.
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clarice

In fact, that statement was made by Jim Loftus, Kerry's communications director.
http://www.insidethebubble.magnify.net/item/G3YK99995L2DRT07

Other Tom

I note that on the Barnes & Noble site to which TM linked, the "average customer review" is one star (out of five), based upon one review. May I suggest that those who read the book weigh in with reviews of their own?

Bill's Cigar

OT,
Why wait to read the book before writing a favourable review?

Peter England

BTW Has there been a sighting of Kerry's dossiers,or is the weather too cold

Other Tom

Dear Mr. Cigar, you must have been reading my mind. After prayerful agonizing, I decided to wait until after reading in order to lend a little more verisimilitude to the fulsome praise that I already know I will be lavishing on it.

Cecil Turner

In fact, that statement was made by Jim Loftus, Kerry's communications director.

The "largely true" bit in the clip appears to be Michael Wolff.

clarice

Thnx, Cecil--I re-played the tape and you are right.

Sara

Tancredo drops out of presidential race. Endorses Mitt Romney!

hit and run

Sara - are you happy to have Tancredo on Romney's "team"?

Romney took umbrage at Huckabee saying Bush had an arrogant bunker mentality. Called for him to apologize.

Dec. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Mike Huckabee, one of his chief rivals for the party's nomination, should apologize for calling the Bush administration's foreign policy ``arrogant.''

``That's an insult to the president, and Mike Huckabee should apologize to the president,'' Romney, 60, the former Massachusetts governor, said on NBC's ``Meet the Press.''

But what of Tancredo?

NASHUA (Sep 25) – Republican presidential candidate Rep. Tom Tancredo, of Colorado, said President Bush's failure to enforce existing immigration laws is "despicable" and leading to a domestic crisis.
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"Don't keep ignoring our laws, which this president has been doing, which is despicable," Tancredo said.

To Tancredo, Bush's failure to crack down more on employers who employ undocumented workers and to maintain border security amounts to a high crime.

"If he could be impeached for dereliction of duty, a bill could be brought. Unfortunately, that is not grounds," Tancredo said.

hit and run

TM:
If you are at an impasse for holiday gift ideas, let me make a suggestion - I have been loving "To Set The Record Straight" (website), a book by Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler with a foreword by John O'Neill recounting the Swift Boat battles of 2004.

Um, which holiday????

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Not Easter (March 23, 2008).

I guess that leaves April Fools Day.

Funny man, that TM.

cathyf
Not Easter (March 23, 2008).
March 28, 2008 is within the Octave of Easter...

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