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Other Tom

Speaking of investing, Obama is now at 52.5 on Tradesports; the Coarse Fishwife is at 46.4.

steveaz

Tom,
"Yet the Times, affirmative action champions, are determined to push [Obama] into that box."

Totally!

The Democrat Party machine needs to tie the person Obama to their preferred, archival Sharpton/Jackson racialism and its aggregate policy prescriptions. Or else Harlem's, East LA's, South Seattle's and Oakland's urban voting-blocs may jump ship.*

And the NYT is, of course, first to "record" the supposed link.
-Cheers!

*Which would spell B-I-G trouble for local urban politicians in '08

Chris

I see the press as being levered to Democrats and short Republicans. Think of it as a trading strategy. You can go long both oil (Clinton) and nat gas (Obama). Thus you are leveraged to the energy (Democrat) complex. Then you short the autos (Republicans).

That scenario is not an investment so much as a prescription for disaster should anything not go the press' way. What if energy prices drop, Iraq succeeds, etc? Not a perfect analogy but somewhat apropos.

Crew v1.0

Question for Obama tonight, or any of the rest. If a candidate places any credence or stock in the NIE's finding that Iran in 2003 dropped its secret nuclear weapon program in response to "international pressure," he or she should be asked to put on his or her historian hat and answer: what happened in 2003 to cause maximum and dreadful pressure to be brought to bear on the Iran mullahs, to persuade them ever so unwillingly to drop that secret and illicit program?

If it stands to reason that the correct answer is "the invasion of Iraq," and if that candidate in fact believes and places stock in that NIE finding and further believes that Iran to this day truly desists in re-starting said illegal program, does that cause said candidate to alter even by an IOTA his or her pre-NIE talking-point to the effect that the bipartisan invasion of Iraq was the worst mistake or [fill in your favorite word pregnant with calumny, and combine it with your favorite Italian hand gesture] [e.g., "... blunder"] in U.S. foreign policy history, or the like? In fact, if you believe the NIE is accurate, then why shouldn't I view it as a remarkable axis-of-evil two-fer?

Sara

Romney wins Wyoming caucus.

BumperStickerist

There exists the chance that Greenwald isn't pretending.

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M. Simon

Re: Rezko. Heavy ties with Nation of Islam. And Obama's church is not exactly progressive when it comes to race relations. Or Jews.

BTW Fred and Duncan (Who?) Hunter each picked up a delegate in Wyoming.

Fred may come in as the consensus candidate.

Steve

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SteveMG

There exists the chance that Greenwald isn't pretending.

How can one tell when he's faking it and when he's not?

He is well skilled in taking a quote, an anecdote, a single event and weaving this vast tale of sturm und drang. "This", holding the item up for all to see, "I say This! is who they are and This, This! is what they do."

Add another 3,000 words or so and, presto, instant Greenwald.

'Course, we all enjoy that exercise. Taking a comment or action by an opponent and using it to indict everyone who belongs with that opponent.

Fun; but not really worth much.

Jane

Okay, I've got a house full of people, I'm halfway thru dinner but I am here to blog the debate.
I'll do it here: This Is A New Day. This Is A New State."

Porchlight

Thanks, Jane. I'm in the middle of cooking dinner myself but I'm going to try to jump back and forth.

Ann

Jane, you are the BEST!!!!!

JM Hanes

Huckabee competently summarized the Democrat position on Bush foreign policy.

Take it away, Jane!

clarice

Isn't this a different universe than the dog and pony shows which preceded it? CNN should hang its head in shame!!

JM Hanes

Finally, a discussion of issues that's worth watching. Kudos to Charlie Gibson.

M. Simon

Obama's Church which lays out church theology.

It talks about the gypsy curse of materialism. Give us your money. And the rest to the government. The community will look after you.

BTW saw a slice of the debate. Fred said the right things about foundational principles. The Constitution.

Jeff

Gee, isn't there some other party running some kind of candidate-selection process other than the Democratic? I don't know, I seem to remember another one. Can't imagine why there's nothing on this here rightwing website about it. Maybe it doesn't exist.

clarice

Maybe because this thread is about Obama, Jeff. Just a thought.

sbw

Look around, Jeff.

sbw

... Active comments listed in the right column.

Jeff

this thread is about Obama

Yeah, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that . . .

Just a thought.

Reading Tom's posts, you'd never know there even was a Republican caucus in Iowa, much less that it was won by an ignorant, thin-skinned, under-funded kook who scares the devil out of the Republican party establishment, who was roundly attacked by much of that establishment, and yet nevertheless managed to trounce his competition, notably including a competitor who spent - what? - four hundred million dollars in Iowa. You'd think that a noteworthy event that might prompt some insight.

Just a thought.

sbw

Jeff, if you could apply your powers of observation on the Democrats, you might see the greater danger.

And, yes, you are right, a small man took the small event in Iowa. The best news about Iowa is that it is over.

kim

So then, to what do you ascribe the victory of the 'thin-skinned, ignorant, kook'?
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Sara

Jeff, try the debate live blogging thread, that's where everyone else is. "This is a New Day"

steveaz

M. Simon has his eye on Fred. So do I.

Me? I'm hoping for a Fred/Condi ticket. But I'll settle for a Fred/anybody-but-Ron-Paul ticket, too.

JM Hanes

Gee, Jeff, if TM would just listen to you, maybe he could have a popular blog all of his own.

To Live and Spy in LA

Obama's Church into earthquakes too? Obama and them are going to be work.

We should just have them all made.

Deagle

First let me say that I am a "Friend of Fred" and hope he overcomes his lethargy and wins.

I do love the sometimes strange and "strained" statements regarding Huckabee though, not just this site, but many others. This election has caused more excitement with him involved and it has become downright fun to follow.

Watching the MSM try to figure out what the heck is going on is just downright FUN. It gets better when reading blogs spouting their anti-religious and anti-Christian comments. Combine that with the Obama mystique and it is just wonderful.

All in all, this is going to be a fun election!

Enjoy this election year while you can, this kind of excitement does not happen very often!

kim

Someone, please, explain those huge numbers in Iowa.
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Donald

Kim, I think it's pretty simple. Romney put all the time and effort into Iowa. Millions of dollars and he practically live here. Giuliani who was the other big gun at the time decided to side step it so as not to look so weak. He did however spend a lot of money there. Fred (!), got in a little late and didn't see that as a strong place for him either. McCain, love him and all, he's a real man, but I dont' want him to be my president. Huckabee, well Iowa was his big shot and he took it. He doesn't come off slick like Romney, but he is. Like a used care salesman slick. Just like Bill Clinton and I'm afraid that's what we may have here. I'm not about the evangelical vote. I beleive it is why the Republican party has not buried the democratic party. No matter how tragic abortion is, it's nobody's business outside of that family. Who gives a damn what I put in my body? Those are two very strong examples of why we even have to sweat these elections.

Deagle

Better talk to the narcotics division about your ideas.... Not going to argue about when life begins...up to science at the moment...

Other that that, your comments are correct...hehe.

kim

Kinsley gags on 'change' in the NyTo; all Romney needs to change is his hair stylist. Lose the vaseline, Big Boy.

D, there were a lot more people out in Ioway than expected, bipartisanly. There is discontent; stirred by a deluded MSM.
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kim

er, uh, Vitalis. Or does only his hairdresser know for sure?
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Donald

It's not about me Deagle and it's not a matter of science. It's about eliminating the commie/lib/democratic party. Crushing their asses.

Deagle

Can't argue with that! Doing all I can - hehe...

kim

Ah, Donald, old, forgottten, far-off things, and battles long ago. See the Lancet article get newly debunked?
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kim

Perhaps some journalists will figure out that their biases can be used to manipulate them even more effectively than they can manipulate others with bias.
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Donald

I've been consumed with the Bulldogs kickin a little "a" in NOLA. Next on my list...recovery from the Bulldogs kickin a littl "a" in NOLA. After that, back to serious research!

Semanticleo

You guys hould be the first to know 'it's always abut money'.

Mainstream mediatypes give the viewer (listener,reader) what they want to keep ad revenue at a peak. You cut the contrarians
from the herd and focus on their anti-establishment obsessions as though it
were the norm. Just like conservatives, media outlets only want the most profitable scenario. So stop the; 'poor republicans don't get no repect from the MSM'.

kim

As if.
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Deagle

Cleo...not in this MSM world I think...

kim

What's unbelievable are the lies about Bush-Cheney that the WaPo gives McGovern space for.
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PeterUK

"You guys hould be the first to know 'it's always abut money'."

How on earth did you get to comment here Septic? I thought one had to provide bank references,is this TM's New Year's gesture to the poor?

sbw

Gawd, cleo, what insight. heh!

Semanticleo

"Gawd, cleo, what insight. heh!"

Never misunderestimate the power of denial.

glasater

"What's unbelievable are the lies about Bush-Cheney that the WaPo gives McGovern space for."

Ah Kim--you are once again so correct--am afraid to use "right" here.

Donald

My main man Hunter Thompson loved McGovern, and because of that so did I. Then I started reading...

clarice

Better about money than about "hope" or "change".

BTW Hill better work more on that "I've been making change for 35 years." Sounds like a cashier.

sbw

Never misunderestimate the power of denial.

Heh, again. Never underestimate the power of clear exposition.

Donald

Clarice, I don't know that a lot of people understand the concept of "taxes" and "budget". But they sure know and got a lot of "hope" that they can dig into your, my, and every other "rich" person for some well deserved "change".

PeterUK

Whatever happened to "It's the economy stupid"?

Tl

Obama is Kenyan. Deny the pain.

kim

Someone should quiz him about how Nairobi is 'changing'. I can but 'hope'.
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TallDave

I look forward to the national cognitive dissonance of the media cheering along with black voters supporting Obama because he's black like them while simultaneously denouncing as racists white supporters of his opponent saying they support a candidate because he/she shares their race.

Charlie (Colorado)

Yeah, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that . . .

Just a thought.

Translation: more free ice cream. I want strawberry.

Les

Minor point - but McCain IS too old to be a boomer. He was born in 1936, ten years too soon to be a boomer.

kim

Baehr panics.
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kim

McCain should be Ambassador to Massachusetts.
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Jim Treacher

So Greenwald wants the whole country to play out that scene from Blazing Saddles?

"Nobody move or the n****** gives his concession speech!"
"Listen to him, men, he's just crazy enough to do it!"
"Do what he say! Do what he say! Oooh, he'p me, he'p me!"

Crimso

"Never misunderestimate the power of denial."

I'm gonna need my chainsaw to cut through that bit of irony.

kim

It's easy going, Crimso, until you hit the unconscious heart.
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Crimso

"I look forward to the national cognitive dissonance of the media cheering along with black voters supporting Obama because he's black like them while simultaneously denouncing as racists white supporters of his opponent saying they support a candidate because he/she shares their race."

Indeed. Living in Tennessee I was (as was the entire state) branded as racist because we didn't send Harold Ford to the Senate. Every single person I knew who said that they would vote for Ford but couldn't cited his family as the reason. Not his race, mind you (and some of these people wouldn't be at all shy about saying it was because of his race if that was the reason). I am certain that at least some people voted for him mainly because he's black. That is racism in that they wouldn't vote for Corker because he's white.

The blog posts and news stories insinuating racism were especially amusing for the well-informed given that it's not exactly like black Senators have been common. It's highly likely that many of the people crying "Racism!" lived in a state that has NEVER sent a black to the Senate.

Rick Ballard

Jim Treacher,

Jousting with the sock puppeter? To be frank, I admit the inadvisability of leaving Greenwald entirely behind us but is there a need to elevate him?

I'd rather leave him to the boys from Brazil.

clarice

Mickey Kaus:"Monday's Must-See Event--The Train Wreck Tour: The reporters I talk to are looking forward to the final pre-election joint Bill and Hillary Clinton rally Monday evening with the same lascivious delight you might encounter before a Britney Spears/Amy Winehouse double bill. Everyone expects it to be a gruesome night for the Clintons; their aides have been lashing out at the press uncharmingly. Anything could happen! ... 1:30 A.M."

kim

Everybody born in the Twentieth Century is racist.

Who says we've given up human sacrifice, C?
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clarice

DRUDGE

TALK OF HILLARY EXIT ENGULFS CAMPAIGNS
Mon Jan 07 2008 09:46:28 ET

Facing a double-digit defeat in New Hampshire, a sudden collapse in national polls and an expected fund-raising drought, Senator Hillary Clinton is preparing for a tough decision: Does she get out of the race? And when?!

"She can't take multiple double-digit losses in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada," laments one top campaign insider to the DRUDGE REPORT. "If she gets too badly embarrassed, it will really harm her. She doesn't want the Clinton brand to be damaged with back-to-back-to-back defeats."

Meanwhile, Democrat hopeful John Edwards has confided to senior staff that he is staying in the race because Hillary "could soon be out."

"Her money is going to dry up," Edwards confided, a top source said Monday morning.

MORE

Key players in Clinton's inner circle are said to be split. James Carville is urging her to fight it out through at least February and Super Tuesday, where she has a shot at thwarting Barack Obama in a big state. But others close to the former first lady now see no possible road to victory, sources claim.

Developing...

[The dramatic reversal of fortunes has left the media establishment stunned and racing to keep up with fast-moving changes.

In its final poll before Iowa, CNN showed Clinton with a two-point lead over Obama. Editorial decisions were being made based on an understanding the Democratic primary race would be close, explained a network executive.]


Rick Ballard

Jay Cost dissects the probability of another "Comeback Krud" result. He makes good points but I don't believe he puts enough emphasis on the makeup of the 2008 Super Tuesday roster. Feb 5 could turn out to be an excellent day for Hussein.

Sue

If Hillary loses the nomination, she is going to cost me $100. ::sigh:: and ::grin:: The best $100 I ever spent.

Rich Rostrom

McCain was born in 1936. In 1936 the birth rate for white women 15-44 was 73 per 1,000, the lowest rate in U.S. history through 1962. The Baby Boom started after WW II, when the rate jumped from 83 in 1945 to 111 in 1947. The peak was 118 in 1957. So McCain is old enough to be the father of Baby Boomers; his eldest child was born in 1966.

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