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abw

You should include some of the things he has actually proposed, invading Pakistan, drivers licenses for illegals, etc.

clarice

4. is hard to deny.

PeterUK

Barack Obama - Is that a request?

coolpapa

7. Voting for Obama is like tossing the keys to a Ferrari Testarossa to your 5-year old.

Anon

I really think it is Obama's hard luck to be squared up against McCain.

Oh come on he is so not square.

Thats' his appeal his Unsquariness-which uh, wow, rhymes with his scariness.

Yours truly,

Scarlette, Scar-ette, Scar-it!

Could she look more clueeless in that one video-you know the one.

I know let's call him His One-ness!

Have you read some of the threads at the Barack blogs?

Which are actually under the web address "my barack"..

Wow. My Sharona!

dmh

Everybody wants to vote for their Grandpa for President!

Anon

Look I have to do this-

Have you seen some of the DRIVEL-

Here it is in all it's squirelly "goodness"-

Amazing | Report to Admin Reply By Ryan Jan 20th 2008 at 1:21 pm EST That speech is amazing...im simply in awe and wish there was a video I could watch of it. I love it...Brilliant! Re: Amazing | Report to Admin Reply By P.Licavoli Jan 20th 2008 at 1:32 pm EST Its shockingly good. Re: Amazing | Report to Admin Reply By Theresa in Maine Jan 20th 2008 at 1:48 pm EST So beautiful, I'm crying.

Would that I could end the hate and hurt that man did/does to man.... make all people blind to skin color..... what a world this would be.

In the name of humanity, we MUST elect Obama.

We have this once in a lifetime chance.
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By Amy R. Jan 20th 2008 at 1:51 pm EST
I'm crying too. His words touch me so deeply. I have no words.
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By Mark L Jan 20th 2008 at 1:58 pm EST
I am a white man in Maine and also very emotional right now. This man has a huge heart and wisdom beyond his years. I am just filled with peace.
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By Theresa in Maine Jan 20th 2008 at 2:14 pm EST
I forward Obama's inspiring words to those in my email address book who would be receptive.
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By The Name's Blake, But Lulu Is My Superhero Jan 20th 2008 at 2:35 pm EST
What an odd situation. Family around, playing Wii Golf. And I'm on my Macbook tearing up over these words. I just have this vision of people everywhere around the nation walking out of their houses, meeting in the streets, and walking together towards this goal of an America we can be proud of again.

After New Hampshire, my friend kept telling me, "It's okay. It's just an election." But it's just so much more than that. This is more than health care and the war on terrorism. This is more than jobs sent overseas or our conflict with immigration. This is so much more than any one of us could do alone.

This movement has my heart. I've gone through the stages of cynicism. It's just not worth living life to be pessimistic. No dreams, no aspirations. I want to be able to tell my children and grandchildren about this man, this movement, this community. Because I am so proud of all of us.

And Barack Obama, I am proud of you.
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By Tamsin Jan 20th 2008 at 2:46 pm EST
"This movement has my heart. I've gone through the stages of cynicism. It's just not worth living life to be pessimistic. No dreams, no aspirations. I want to be able to tell my children and grandchildren about this man, this movement, this community. Because I am so proud of all of us."

Thank you Blake for your beautiful and inspiring words.

Teary, Macbook users for Obama!
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Link at-my.barackobama.com


Steven W.

McCain can run on "Change You Can Depend On" vs. BHO "Change You Can't Believe In"

Anon

No better not go with that...

Change your Depends....

not good.

Rick Ballard

I would use GMax's analysis of the cost shifting involved in the promise to cut health insurance premiums by $2,500. I don't know the IQ of your cocktail crowd but they would have to be industrial grade stupid not to get that one.

Foo Bar

2. Commander in Chief of a Cub Scout Troop - Maybe.
This guy is ready to command the US military in wartime?

If you guys intend to pursue this line with any effectiveness in persuading swing voters, you're going to have to grit your teeth and admit grudgingly that Bush in '00 was probably even less experienced in foreign policy and that his wartime performance hasn't been so stellar (at a minimum, by not prosecuting the Iraq war very compentently).

Hardly anyone who is not already in McCain's camp is going to buy the idea that Bush was obviously foreign-policy seasoned when he first got elected AND that he's performed well AND that Obama should be considered green using the same nonpartisan criteria by which Bush was judged to be ready in '00. It's not going to happen.

Maybe once Obama picks a VP (assuming he wins) you could try contrasting the joint team with Bush/Cheney, although I wouldn't be too optimistic about that strategy, either.

If you're willing to push this line with some accompanying Bush-bashing, though, it may gain some traction. How bad do you want to beat Obama?

Anon

Bush was pre-9/11.

It's that simple.

Conditions are fluid.

You can't plop Obama down in 2000 and say it's all the same.

Anon

I don't know-maybe with Democrats you can.

That's the problem.

Appalled Moderate

# 4 is your best argument. I'm sure we will be seeing variants of ity here over the next few months. (And maybe I'll be able to think of a good response to it. Right now, I'm like that poor schmuk on MSNBC last night)

The counter to #1 is that the reasonbable fellah talking to you probably does not buy into the Messiah business.

The counter to #2 is that he was right on Iraq, when the experienced weren't. Good judgement counts for something...

I'm sure the talking points on Item 3 are coming. I don't know them yet.

I think the answer to #5 is that Hit & Run be hired by the SNL/Colbert/Daily Show crew. In seriousness, the media tends to excerpt "big nmoments" from Obama's speeches, so that one misses the programatic stuff.

#6. All politicians lay down with dogs. Hence they all carry a few fleas. It does not seem that Obama has too many moronic associates, but time will tell.

Other Tom

Wouldn't trouble me a bit to bash Bush in order to defeat Obama. But at least the man had put on a uniform and got in the cockpit of a hot and dangerous aircraft. Having some understanding of what military people do isn't foreign policy experience, but it sure is an element of being commander-in-chief. And JFK, callow as he was, had commanded men in combat and been decorated for it.

MayBee

The counter to #2 is that he was right on Iraq, when the experienced weren't. Good judgement counts for something...

My counter would be to play the "what if we hadn't gone to war with Iraq?" game.
Iraq has been a huge problem.
Go back to 2003 and tell me what happens if we never bomb, because I don't see how it would end with anything but Saddam in power rebuilding his nukes with Iran madly trying to keep pace, and Libya chuckling alongside them.

PeterUK

"McCain can run on "Change You Can Depend On" vs. BHO "Change You Can't Believe In"


How about "Change you have had before so it will come as no surprise"?

PeterUK

"Bush in '00 was probably even less experienced in foreign policy and that his wartime performance hasn't been so stellar (at a minimum, by not prosecuting the Iraq war very compentently)."

You won didn't you? Nobody prosecutes a war competently(sic),it isn't in the nature of the beast.

PeterUK

Anon,
The Democrats are still in 1968,their bodies may be in 2008,but their brains are forty years behind them.
I blame leaf.

capitano

#4 Bipartisanship --

It's even worse, McCain tried to include Obama in a bipartisan task force on ethics and Obama reneged on a commitment to McCain.

McCain's letter blasting Obama is here
(2nd letter)

Here's a taste:

I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership's preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I'm embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won't make the same mistake again.
centralcal

A.P. said, "It does not seem that Obama has too many moronic associates, but time will tell."

I dunno, A.P. I seem to remember in one of the debates where Obama claimed to have many of Clinton's old advisors, and even offered to confer with Hillary. Do those advisors count as moronic?

Sue

Have y'all seen the drudge headline?

The http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print>NYTs unloads on McCain and an affair, or alleged affair, with a lobbyist.

Soylent Red

Bush in '00 was probably even less experienced in foreign policy and that his wartime performance hasn't been so stellar (at a minimum, by not prosecuting the Iraq war very compentently).

Why is this relevant FooB? McCain has way more foreign policy experience than Obamessiah, end of story. How either compares to GWB, or Clinton, or Herbert Hoover is beside the point. None of those guys is running.

BumperStickerist

Tom...Tom...Tom

How quickly everybody forgets the Campaign of 2000 and the wordsmithing used by the Democrats.

What Obama lacks is the "G" word: Gravitas.

My understanding, thanks to the Democrats, is that a candidate without gravitas is unelectable. That candidate needs a gravitas-laden personality to act as co-president.

All the Democrats need to do to secure an Obama presidency is have Dick Cheney change his registration and run as Veep.

Gravitas - If you can't have it by winning two elections to be chief executive of the 2nd largest state, what chance is there is that serving in a state legislature and running during your first term as a senator gives you it?

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MikeS

Try to picture an empty suit lip syncing a Milli Vanilli tune.

Pofarmer

If you guys intend to pursue this line with any effectiveness in persuading swing voters, you're going to have to grit your teeth and admit grudgingly that Bush in '00 was probably even less experienced in foreign policy and that his wartime performance hasn't been so stellar (at a minimum, by not prosecuting the Iraq war very compentently).

If the swing voters aren't any more intelligent than that, I don't want em.

Cecil Turner

(at a minimum, by not prosecuting the Iraq war very compentently)

The only way McCain loses on this count is if he cheerled for the "incompetent" approach, say, and then derided the approach that worked. Ooooops. Looks like McCain's (wrong, IMHO) criticism about Rumsfeld&Co's handling of the war, and surge support hits all sides of the "prosecution" meme perfectly. And the contrast in experience is ridiculous. Obama can't win this one, and dare not fight it.

Anon

PeterUK

I blame more than the leaf...

MayBee

The NYTs unloads on McCain and an affair, or alleged affair, with a lobbyist.

I feel cheated that they never went with the Rielle Hunter story.

Semanticleo

"If you're willing to push this line with some accompanying Bush-bashing,'

Sorry. Since he cannot run again, he is not a subject we wish to discuss.

Semanticleo

"Bush in '00 was probably even less experienced in foreign policy and that his wartime performance hasn't been so stellar (at a minimum, by not prosecuting the Iraq war very compentently).'

""Why is this relevant FooB?""

I think it's because you wish to give Bush
a pass on foreign policy acumen, while assailing Obama's similar pre-WH experience.

But that's how you guys do your stuff.

clarice

His dad was President . His dad was Ambassador to China. He is close to his dad. He probably knew more about foreign policy as a kid than Obama knows as a candidate.

MayBee

I think it's because you wish to give Bush
a pass on foreign policy acumen, while assailing Obama's similar pre-WH experience.

Does equating Obama to Bush work out well for the Dems, FooBar and Seman?

Rick Ballard

Given BHO's penchant for voting 'Present' when the going gets tough, his support of infanticide may provide a nice "compare and contrast" area.

Semanticleo

"Does equating Obama to Bush work out well for the Dems'

I don't know, MayBee, but I'm sure you'll tell me.

I am glad that someone here used the 'Bush'
word. Will McCain want his endorsement?

Soylent Red

I think it's because you wish to give Bush
a pass on foreign policy acumen, while assailing Obama's similar pre-WH experience.

But that's how you guys do your stuff.

Where did anyone ever say they gave GWB a pass? And furthermore, isn't Obamessiah the change from Bushitler politics of non-hope we've all secretly been praying for?

Why on earth would the Chosen One - who makes me weep with tears of ecstasy and speak in tongues - want to compare himself in any way to Chimpy? Doesn't he brag about how is inexperience makes him the perfect agent for hopeful change we can all believe in and hope for while changing toward the hopeful?

Soylent Red

OMFG!

I just saw Obama's beatific face on my grilled cheese sandwich.

Cecil Turner

I think it's because you wish to give Bush a pass on foreign policy acumen, while assailing Obama's similar pre-WH experience.

Nonsense. Obama has exactly zero military or related experience. GWB was a former military (Guard) officer himself, and head of the Texas guard as governor. (And son of a military officer, CIA director, ambassador, and President, as noted.) The experience is not at all "similar." The contrast with McCain is even more stark.

Obama is perfectly unqualified to be C-in-C.

poetryman69

Energy Independence Now!


No more Oil Wars!


Stop funding the terrorists!


Drill in Anwar.

Build more nuclear power plants

Use More coal.

Use more natural gas


Turn trash into energy


Double the efficiency of windmills and solar cells.

If France can do nuclear power so can we.


If Brazil can do biomass/ethanol power so can we.


If Australia can do LNG power so can we.

Semanticleo

"Nonsense"

If you say so, 'He who must be obeyed'.

MikeS

I'm thinking Bush had at least 12 years of Hillasperience. While his dad was in the White House.
Maybe that's where he learned it was bad form to insist on launching military attacks inside an ally's territory without their permission.

MayBee

I suppose if Bill Clinton had been more honest about the nature of the threat we were facing from AlQaeda, John McCain might have done better in 2000.

Soylent Red

From my.barackobama.com...

Barack Obama is a Black Man, born in Hawaii, of a Kenyan Father and a White woman from Kansas; a holy union that has blessed us with a being capable of giving rise to the grace of God through the words that he speaks, and through his service and example. Someone capable of channeling spirt with such intensity that he can inspire us to go far beyond our selves in the service of Mankind, and all creatures great and small with whom we share this planet.

I think I might barf.

clarice

I'm a cockeyed optimist. I still think Hill will win the nomination, and then lose to McCain.

sbw

Chauncey Gardener.

Roger Ebert: " 'Being There,'... has the appeal of an ingenious intellectual game, in which the hero survives a series of challenges he doesn't understand, using words that are both universal and meaningless. But are Chance's sayings noticeably less useful than when the president tells us about a "bridge to the 21st century?'' Sensible public speech in our time is limited by (1) the need to stay within he confines of the 10-second TV sound bite; (2) the desire to avoid being pinned down to specific claims or promises; and (3) the abbreviated attention span of the audience, which, like Chance, likes to watch but always has a channel-changer poised."

"...The movie argues that if you look right, sound right, speak in platitudes and have powerful friends, you can go far in our society. By the end of the film, Chance is being seriously proposed as a presidential candidate. Well, why not?"

sbw

Question for Obama: Senator Obama, when you said, "My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington." which you do you intend to represent?

centralcal

Breaking News ... via NY Times under pressure of THE NEW REPUBLIC has a story about an affair between a female lobbyist and John McCain.

Here we go ...!

PeterUK

I once knew a girl with a really sweet smile,she kept on giving this smile,which turned sugary,then sacharine,then unbearabley cloyingly sickly.The smile and the girl had to go.You will find Obama has the same effect.

Cecil Turner

If you say so, 'He who must be obeyed'.

Riiight. Somebody forgot to tell my wife.

. . . and through his service and example . . .

What "service"? Being a congressman? Pretty thin.

Sue

In Obama's commercial playing on local tv, he says he isn't going to be the president of blue America, or red America but the United States of America. So, my question to Obama is how are you going to be my president when I disagree with everything you have proposed? Are you willing to compromise and move to the center? And if so, in what areas?

clarice

Hey--It's just about sex--(Quick, Rick, grab the old Clinton playbook).Actually if you read the NYT article, it's a big nothing..just that McCain is so sure of his rectitude that he was careless and spent so much time with a young female lobbyist that tongues were agging.

clarice

*Wagging***

Cecil Turner

Actually if you read the NYT article, it's a big nothing.

They didn't even claim anything happened; just innuendo. Not sure it matters, anyway. At his age, it's a good opportunity for a joke.

centralcal

By here we go, I mean the MEDIA out of the gate to try and influence the public against anyone on our side.

MayBee

To imply a man and a woman working together have to be involved sexually is pretty sexist. I'm ashamed of the misogynistic New York Times.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

It's in the NYT - if it were a reputable news outlet like the National Enquirer, then a response would be warranted.

BTW - there is a shakeup coming at the Times if I'm reading the stock action correctly. I think there could be a good case made for insider trading ala Martha Stewart if some enterprising SDNY prosecutor wants to dig into it. I don't care how Sulzbergers go to jail - as long as they go.

Sue

Damn. I hate the NYTs. They, and Obama, are forcing me to vocally support McCain.

It is stuff like this where support from your base is the most important. And since McCain has always pandered to the NYTs and other MSM outlets, his support when they turn on him is going to be thin.

It will either rally us or cause us to go 'told you so'. Any guesses which way the base will go?

clarice

Good point, Rick. I figure that one way or another Pinch won't be heading up the NYT much longer. either he'll be gone or the paper will be.

clarice

McCain has an easier way to kill that innuendo than Bill--His wife is knockdead gorgeous.

MayBee

Just remember how wrong they were about their big Rudy allegations. The NYTs can be a bit....premature...in their excitement to take down a Republican.


****sob****

Cecil Turner

His wife is knockdead gorgeous.

And "heiress to a beer fortune"? It don't get much better than that. ("Heiress to a whiskey fortune" maybe.)

centralcal

Whew! Now I read an "official statement" that it was only a "hit and run smear campaign."

Golly! For awhile there I thought it was something serious. Darn you, Hit!

Foo Bar

His dad was President . His dad was Ambassador to China. He is close to his dad. He probably knew more about foreign policy as a kid than Obama knows as a candidate.

Well, let's hear it from the illustrious Richard Perle, who said this about the foreign policy tutorials Bush received before running in 2000:


''He had the confidence to ask questions that revealed he didn't know very much,'' Perle said

High praise!

And let's throw in a Woodward book quote for good measure (although I guess the Woodward quotes we don't like are the ones he made up):


Instead, Woodward retraces his reportorial steps back to the moment George W. Bush first considered running for president, when his father called the Saudi ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, down to Austin to provide his boy a foreign policy tutorial. And Bandar initiates the book’s flood of unflattering details. According to him, Bush exclaimed, “I don’t have the foggiest idea about what I think about international, foreign policy.”

And the contrast in experience is ridiculous. Obama can't win this one, and dare not fight it.

The way TM posed it, the plan was not simply to say that Obama isn't as experienced as McCain, it's to allege that Obama, considered in isolation, does not meet the minimum standard required for a president in wartime. A right-winger making that argument to a swing voter is going to get the question "Well, are you happy with how Bush has done?". If that's answered with a yes, you're going to have explain why Bush was ready and Obama isn't. And that's a tough sell, given the extensive documentation of Bush's inexperience as of the late 90s. National guard experience? Soaking up dad's experience? Really, for your own good, I would suggest trying to distinguish in your mind between arguments you find convincing yourself and arguments a swing voter would buy.

Lesley

My you are a moron, Tom Maguire, or maybe you're suffering from amnesia.

- 9/11?
- a botched war in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11?
- Abu Ghraib?
- the erosion of habeas corpus?
- the botched aftermath of Katrina that continues to this day?
- removing needed troops from Afghanistan where the Taliban is now thriving?
- a president that said he'd stopped worrying about finding bin Laden?
- outing that CIA agent?

This is the legacy of a Republican administration and just a few of the reasons Republicans won't be winning the next presidential election.

Sue

We weren't in an active war when Bush ran for office. And I'm not sure how much Obama wants to be compared to Bush. I doubt that is deal maker for the swing voters either.

clarice

FooB I read all the way thru that noxious NYT piece and noticed what you overlooked..Perle was taking about Bush's preparations in the 2000 campaign--not after he was elected.
The nub of this piece of dreck is that Bush was open to new ideas --when he wasn't a stupid layabout--but because of his absurd religiousity became increasingly narrow after elected--why*gasp* he even believed contrary to St Colin and others that there was fuck all we could do to resolve the Palestinian issue.

Sue

- 9/11?

And you support a policy that takes us back to the days of Clinton's policy of fighting terrorists in the court system.

There are morons, and then there are morons. You fit the latter category.

BumperStickerist

That's some weapons-grade crazytalk, Leslie.

Nicely regurgitated from the SN! crowd, though. Nicely regurgitated - apparently you did not even partially digest it.

Or, demonstrably, did you pay attention during the past seven years.

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cathyf

Hey, if you can see the moon (not cloudy...) go outside and look at it RIGHT NOW.

Foo Bar

Perle was taking about Bush's preparations in the 2000 campaign--not after he was elected.

Indeed, which is the relevant point at which to make a comparison when making an argument that Bush was ready and Obama is not.

Cecil Turner

The way TM posed it, the plan was not simply to say that Obama isn't as experienced as McCain, it's to allege that Obama, considered in isolation, does not meet the minimum standard required for a president in wartime.

I note you elide Obama's experience in that tratment (which makes sense, considering it's precisely zero, AFAICT). I don't see how that's much of a "tough sell." And those quotes are hardly convincing: Bush was relatively poorly qualified on national defense (probably why he picked a former SecDef as a running mate, in peacetime) . . . but he was obviously better qualified than Clinton, and compared to Obama he's a frickin' prodigy. Obama doesn't meet any standard, so if you agree there's a minimum for a wartime president, he ain't qualified.

Sue

Cathy,

I've been watching it, but the clouds have obscured it now. It was almost half-way when I could last see it.

Other Tom

"If France can do nuclear power so can we."

Wanna bet? Tell that to Jane Fonda. And tell us when the last nuclear power plant was built in the US. (And while you're at it, look into when the last oil refinery was built.)

"I guess the Woodward quotes we don't like are the ones he made up." How do we tell the difference?

"A right-winger making that argument to a swing voter is going to get the question 'Well, are you happy with how Bush has done?'"

Suppose a sensible, moderate, middle-of-the-road McCain supporter is asked the question? And suppose he answers, "No, neither John McCain nor I are happy with it. And my concern is that Obama appears to be proposing a surrender"?

FooBar, are you going to vote for Obama or McCain?

MayBee

We all just ran out to see the moon. So cool!

Pofarmer

He built and ran his own company. He was Owner of a major league baseball team. He was two term governor of TEXAS.

Obama compares how?

Pofarmer

Oh yeah, Obama slimed an incumbent Senator to steal his seat.

At least there's an accomplishment.

Pofarmer

- the botched aftermath of Katrina that continues to this day?

Dang liberals anyway.

Really, is this Katrina stuff just projection or what?

Other Tom

Sue, you're in Southern CA, right? I just went outside and it's obscured by clouds at the horizon, although at the moment the sky is clear overhead.

MayBee

FooBar: A right-winger making that argument to a swing voter is going to get the question "Well, are you happy with how Bush has done?"

Well, are you?

Sue

OT,

I'm in East Texas.

Do the Cindy Stroke

At least Obama's staff doesn't have to keep his mistress away at public events.

Other Tom

Waiting to hear whether FooBar is going to vote for Obama or McCain...

Other Tom

"At least Obama's staff doesn't have to keep his mistress away at public events."

How do you know?

Jane

I just saw Obama's beatific face on my grilled cheese sandwich.

He was also in my sushi a little earlier. He doesn't look that great in eel.

Who are all these moonbats, and how did they find us?

Do the Cindy Stroke

Oh yeah, Obama slimed an incumbent Senator to steal his seat.

Jack Ryan poured the slime himself, the edible kind, in the S%M clubs he tried to drag his wife into. Another shining example of right wing morality.

Obama had nothing to do with that one, silly.

Sue

How do you know?

Would the Messiah have a mistress?

MayBee

I think I saw Obama in the lunar eclipse!

Sue

If the left is going to depend on the NYTs and MSM to win an election, they should remember 2000 and 2004. That worked out well for ya'.

Do the Cindy Stroke

John McCains people knew their boss was in too deep with his 40 year old lobbyist girlfriend.
This is being picked up everywhere.

This will sink the maverick for good.

I wonder if Cindy will now come out and bark how proud she is of her husband who was fucking around on her when she was recovering from her stroke.

MayBee

Do the Cindy Stroke

Well that's just classy, that's what that is.
It's always fun to make fun of someone who had a stroke!

Rick Ballard

Gee, these Obamatons don't seem to be filled with the hopey changiness that I expected. Does the touch of the Obamessiah lack staying power?

I thought the first commandment of the Obamessiah was "Always stay bright, chirpy, cheerful and vacuous." Maybe they're learning it back to front? They seem to have the vacuous part down pretty well.

Foo Bar

Well, are you?
No, I'm not, which is why I think "Obama is no more ready than Bush was" could be potent, coming from a Republican, if accompanied by some grudgingly admitted disappointment in Bush.

Waiting to hear whether FooBar is going to vote for Obama or McCain...

I am flattered to have earned enough of a reputation for open-mindedness to elicit this (apparently?) sincere question. Well, the election is 8 long months away and there is much yet to learn, but in the interest of full disclosure I should acknowledge being an Obama donor. If Hillary somehow pulls it out the decision in the general might require a bit more mulling...


Do the Cindy Stroke

Well Cindy was quite the pillhead, maybe she popped the wrong one?

MayBee

She had her stroke in 2004.
But your compassion is overwhelming.

Pofarmer

He was also in my sushi a little earlier. He doesn't look that great in eel.

Pre or post digestion?

eldridgecleaverwasarepublican

Ha, ha, ha. You guys are just jealous because you are stuck with John "No, we can't" McCain.

McCain is a crotchedy, cantankerous 72-year-old and his wife, by her own admission, can't remember what happened last week.

How inspiring!

Sue

The Messiah won't like it. He is preaching a new way to win and politics of destruction aren't included in the ten commandments.

glasnost

I'm sure most of these will be used. They're being used already by Hilary. Frankly, they don't stand a chance. Nor do you.

The experience argument isn't just George W. Bush. Ronald Reagan's foreign policy experience was what? Remind me again? Oh, that's right, it was nothing.

This country is run by a civilian. It was designed that way. The proto-authoritarians are afraid of letting a non-military man run the country, but most voters don't buy it.

If Barack's resume was as empty as you folks pretend it is, you'd have a shot. But voters are aware of his background. He didn't spend the last 20 years getting drunk: he's been a law professor, a community organizer, and a legislator. His resume weakness is a mindless talking point. It doesn't move too many needles. Hilary Clinton is figuring this out, folks. Smell the coffee.

TMF

Lesly

How, exactly, does one "botch" an "aftermath"?

MayBee

Well, are you?
No, I'm not, which is why I think "Obama is no more ready than Bush was" could be potent, coming from a Republican, if accompanied by some grudgingly admitted disappointment in Bush.

But isn't it potent when you think about it in your own head?
Why do you have to be in a discussion with a Republican to ponder it?

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