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Other Tom

I agree with the characterization of his appeal.

And I think it can't last. There is now stuff that McCain, if not Hillary, can use for target practice, namely his Global Poverty Act and his hard-left economic plan. Taxing Americans to provide foreign aid as directed by the UN is one hell of an election issue.

Scrapiron

Someone should ask B Hussein Obama in public why he has lied about his heritage his entire life up to and including fraud to get minority status for financial gain. Read this and weep. http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html

dmh

Yes, that's the ticket. Let's start with the B. Hussein stuff and prove just how wacky we are. If that doesn't work, then people will be sure to listen to us when we try a substantive critique of his policies and positions. Grow up. Stop with the insane conspiracy stuff and fight this like adults. It is the only chance we have.

Sara

Obama is a man of no substance who appeals to a crowd completely consumed by rock star celebrity and equate him the same status. His tax/economic plan has been characterized as the nanny state on steroids, he has shown himself completely clueless when it comes to national security and the threat of terror around the world, his wife tells us that he is here to fix">http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/017003.php">fix the nation's broken souls as his followers treat him as a messianic figure. But maybe the most egregious thing about the Obama campaign is that it is built on the lie that he could be the first African-American president when, in fact, he is at best an ">http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html"> Arab-African/American.

Other Tom

According to the source material cited by Scrapiron, Obama's father was primarily of Arab extraction, although a "maternal grandparent" was described as African Negro in the Kenyan records.

The guy who wrote this stuff up maintains that Obama is thus only 1/16 black, while he is 1/2 Caucasian and 7/16 Arab. (Seems to me this would make Obama 1/8 black, wouldn't it?)

Not sure this is a winning issue...

Rick Ballard

"Not sure this is a winning issue..."

I would heartily agree. I'm not sure why anyone would advise RW on how to best BHO (my preference would be that they engage in full and ineffectual battle right up to the convention) but he really is so lacking in substance that his vapidity needs only to be allowed to blossom into full nothingness.

The other ammo will always be there in the unlikely event that the fever doesn't break.

Election 2008 - Half of America Wearing Beer Goggles.

RichatUF

I'm migrating this from another thread, but I've been reading BHO's economic plan. WOW as in YIKES...stuff that just jumped out at me-

*Create a Universal Mortgage Credit: "...This 10 percent credit will benefit an additional 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year. Non-itemizers will be eligible for this refundable credit..."

[note-how many people have a mortgage but don't itemize their taxes? IIRC, the standard deduction today is $8750 for singles and $17,500 for couples. About the only thing that I can think of that this would capture are singles or couples living in a mobile home which is financed]


*Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: "...Obama will create a new “Making Work Pay” tax credit of up
to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. This refundable income tax credit will provide direct relief..."

[this sounds like Clinton-lite with the expansion of the EIC]

*Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: "...Barack Obama will dramatically
simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than 5 minutes. Currently, the IRS receives Americans’ financial information directly from employers and banks. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses this information to give taxpayers the option of a pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return to the IRS or online..."

[where are all the civil rights and privacy rights advocates?]

*Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: "...This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans..."

[however from my other comments, this would drive tuition higher, especially at community colleges]

*Expand the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit: "...Barack Obama will reform the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit by making it refundable and allowing low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit for their child care expenses..."

Not analysis, just skimming first half. The thing with the IRS sending pre-printed forms based on the information they have is a real eye-popper. Lots of refundable tax credits as well-don't see how he can claim he would simplify taxes by stuffing in a bunch of new refundable credits without some sort of itemization.

RichatUF

OT-

"...that Obama is thus only 1/16 black, while he is 1/2 Caucasian and 7/16 Arab..."

"...&1D11E;...Not too shabby...&1D15F;&1D15F;"

RichatUF

darn it, the symbols didn't work

JM Hanes

TM:

Loved your "back of the plane" pointer Thursday, and I think you've nailed the only way Hillary can really hope to generate the kind of positive coverage she so desperately needs. She can't really win the experience argument, but she could win on substance. I suspect she's too controlling and too paranoid to risk the kind of unscripted interactions it would take though.

kim

Hey, Scrappy, is the Spurwing Plover still being disemvoweled? What a schtick that bird has.
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Mike Snider

I also agree with your basic explanation of Obama-mania. But, suppose Hillary were to successfully do what you suggest and pin him into a "Where's the Beef"-corner? I think a sizeable portion of Obama supporters (one-third? half? more?) are going to see conspiracy and back-room double-dealing at work in that -- some will even see "racism". Even worse, suppose there's some HUGE "Obama-bombshell"(TM), of the type that would normally derail any mere mortal candidate. Would these hyper-supporters see anything like that as a "Swift-boating", no matter how bad, or how solid? Hmmmm.

Rick Ballard

Rich,

There are about 30 million American adults who don't file due to very low "earned" income (their subsidy income is another matter). They work enough to slide back and forth from social program to social program. BHO knows those folks fairly well from his time as an "organizer".

They are already quite well organized, packed into Section 8 housing and keeping themselves ready for the only "real" job they hold. One day's work every two years on the first Tuesday following the first Monday in November. Serfs to the Blue Barons in the Blue Castles located in those magnificent cities that anyone with intelligence flees as soon as they actually do pay taxes.

baldilocks

But maybe the most egregious thing about the Obama campaign is that it is built on the lie that he could be the first African-American president when, in fact, he is at best an Arab-African/American.

As an American-born woman whose father is of the same tribe as Obama's father, I have one word for this: bullshit.

You clowns better find a way to beat this guy--a way that doesn't include alienating fellow conservative Republicans (me) with your ignorance.

JM Hanes

RichatUF:

Is there any standard formula for calculating the transaction cost of running "refund" dollars through the government? As you suggest, promising to simultaneously simplify red tape is even more tall tale than tall order.

JM Hanes

baldilocks:

I don't think you have to worry about that sort of argument gaining much purchase. It mostly demonstrates how screwed up such labels are in the first place.

baldilocks

But maybe the most egregious thing about the Obama campaign is that it is built on the lie that he could be the first African-American president when, in fact, he is at best an Arab-African/American.

As an American-born woman whose father is of the same tribe as Obama's father, I have one word for this: bullshit.

You clowns better find a way to beat this guy--a way that doesn't include alienating fellow conservative Republicans (me) with your ignorance.

Ralph L

McCain has a track record of actually doing what Obama is just talking [a]bout.
often to the extreme annoyance of much of McCain's own party, so how will it help to bring it up?

baldilocks

Don't know why it post twice. Sorry.

Ralph L

People are comparing Obama to JFK, but I think it's more accurate to compare his campaign aura to RFK's in '68, if you read how Democrats of a certain age look back at him. They forget that LBJ made more (liberal) change happen than either Kennedy even thought about, because they have pinned the entire Vietnam tail on his jackass & Nixon's.

Ralph L

People are comparing Obama to JFK, but I think it's more accurate to compare his campaign aura to RFK's in '68, if you read how Democrats of a certain age look back at him. They forget that LBJ made more (liberal) change happen than either Kennedy even thought about, because they have pinned the entire Vietnam tail on his jackass & Nixon's.

JM Hanes

I figure Typepad thinks you're right to be concerned, baldilocks.:)

RichatUF

Sometimes it just needs to be said twice...

A few points-review the thread-Rick, OT, and JMH all said that that "issue" isn't going to fly, its trivial. I'm more curious about the economic plan with the all the "refundable credits" and the UN foreign aid bill.

The comments were linked from another site-BHO has a bunch of problems, far too left and far too gooey. Its only a matter of time [3 weeks perhaps] that this message will get through the msm filter and the love affair will be over.

Ralph L

I notice that when it doubled mine, it lost my personal info.

Other Tom

RickB, my suggestion that this race thing might not be a winning issue was an effort at irony. It has a strong whiff of nuttiness about it.

While we're on the subject of RFK as Messiah, is it heresy to mention his illegal wiretapping of Martin Luther King, Jr.? Can we talk about his faithful service to Tailgunner Joe McCarthy?

For some people, getting shot is a great career move...

Ralph L

Far too left & gooey for the general, but for Democratic primary voters? They tried electability in 2004, and look who they got.

Other Tom

Spot on, RichardUF--the task now is to make sure he wraps up the nomination before the whole thing becomes the stuff of late-night thigh-slapping comedy. I'm starting to fear that the fatal disrobing is going to come just a moment too early, but Hillary's ascension will still be viewed as outright double-dealing white-bread theft by plenty of Obama folks. And that's a wonderful thing.

vnjagvet

Its only a matter of time [3 weeks perhaps] that this message will get through the msm filter and the love affair will be over.

Especially, RalphL, when encouraged by the likes of Sid Blumenthal, et al at the behest of RW and the First Liar.

Rick Ballard

"Its only a matter of time [3 weeks perhaps] that this message will get through the msm filter and the love affair will be over."

I think BHO Fever will break Tuesday in WI. The only hope to keep it going is crossover in TX on March 4th. RW has OH pretty much sewn up. If she can take WI Tuesday and TX on the 4th then we'll see the "tide is turning" stories that will be reinforced with another win by her in PA in April. I just don't see WI going for BHO.

Ralph L

Yes, it is, OT, because he visited Bed-Stuy in shirtsleeves and was photographed with poor people, but mostly because he would have miraculously ended the war.

I've been reading Brokaw's latest book (a gift). He followed RFK and got chewed out by him for delaying him for a photo-op with a crippled Indian boy. I was surprised Dull Tom mentioned the incident (and his own liberal opinions), but the scales are still up on his eyes.

RichatUF

JMH-

Is there any standard formula for calculating the transaction cost of running "refund" dollars through the government?

I'm sure someone has tried to come up with something. His economic plan really could just be grafted onto existing credits and making some at a certian income thresholds refundable. Most look to refundable for those making <50K a year. I'm digging through the business side of it now-a laughable "green collar" employment scheme and federal dollars for "green infrastructure and employment".

Funny story, I was cleaning out my parents storage shed a couple weeks back, and came across a dilapidated box. Inside were a bunch of Road&Track's from the early 1970's! The cover of one-"Hydrogen: New & Clean Fuel for the Future"-it was part of a large section "Energy, Environment, and the Automobile". I've got a whole traunch of them I want to dig through now that I think about it. Also found a National Geographic about the moon landing with the insert vinyl record [the first sounds from the moon recording about the size of an old 45] and map still attached.

bgates

RalphL, that should read "mostly because he would have miraculously ended the war."

If RFK hadn't been shot, his presidency would have been so perfect it's impossible to imagine a Republican ever being elected again. Since the Republican party is the sole cause of war, keeping them permanently out of power would mean eternal peace. QED.

Sue

baldilocks,

Yes, that last line isn't very Christian. I'm sure everyone will get over it.

I not only 'got over it' I laughed out loud. Good job.

RichatUF

OT-

I'm starting to fear that the fatal disrobing is going to come just a moment too early, but Hillary's ascension will still be viewed as outright double-dealing white-bread theft by plenty of Obama folks. And that's a wonderful thing.

There's got to be some way to make this all work with an ugly floor fight in Denver at the end [and I'm so hoping that it will be snowing during the convention]. If Rick's predictions hold then FL and MI also become important for Obama-taking his current lead, the proportional delegates he would get in upcoming states, and the various uncommitteds that like BHO's more cosmopolitian, progressive "message"-he might need MI's uncommitteds for a convention fight.

Don't really see the 2 of them on the same ticket either.

I get misty eyed thinking about fighting FL and MI delegations and a flurry of lawsuits.

JM Hanes

Rich:

"I get misty eyed..."

Have I told you how much I enjoy your posts? And not just because of the substance you bring to the table!

You too, OT. I fell out over your query on crucifixion in the sexist thread.

Jim Glass

"Obama is the Mirror of Desire ... in which people see what they most want to see."

Marketing 101: sell the dream, not the product.

It's working against Hillary because she can't attack him and remain politically correct with the Dems ... and let's face it, anybody's a dream compared to her.

But if he wins and the Repubs start working him over for real, it'll be interesting to see how long the gloss lasts. His brand is totally untested in a real competitive market.

maryrose

Rick:
I am pinning all my hopes on Obama winning Wisconsin and then at least bringing Hil to a draw in Ohio. Texas is starting to look iffy for Hil. Pennsylvania is another dem state anyway... it might just follow the momentum factor or this may resolve before then. Dr Dean wants this thing resolved pronto so we shall see.. I wonder who gets to tell Bill..

kim

It won't snow at the Denver convention unless they pick Gore.
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baldilocks

Sue,

Thanks.

People are afraid of Obama. I am as well, but for his political heritage, not his DNA.

All I know is that a recipe of bigotry mixed with misinformation topped off with outright stupidity will not beat the guy.

Ann

I welcome Baldilocks comments here at JOM.
If you look at her website she is a JOMer at heart:

6." People say I like to argue. That’s true but it’s only a surface observation. If I argue with you it’s because something you’re saying (or trying to get me to do) doesn’t have clear reasoning behind it (at least to me). Also, if I take the time to argue with you, I’m giving you a compliment: I respect you as intelligent, capable and honest. However, if your arguments are not in good faith, are stupid or I think that you’re stupid, I’ll ignore you and find something better to do with my time. (I might say something cutting to you to get you out of my face if you don’t take the hint.)"

Baldilocks, I would love to know how you think we are going to beat Obama's appeal to "Disney World" vs. McCain's "Real World"

GMax

but for Democratic primary voters? They tried electability in 2004, and look who they got.

Actually I think they got awaken by a SCREAM and staggered still hung over to what looked to them like something that they had heard and read about in their government class called "Electability".

Only 2nd Lt JG "reported for duty" and ended up with the dooty all over himself, as he reminded everyone of his role in the shameful events of the Vietnam War protests and was ablely assisted in the recollection by his fellow officers and enlisted on the Swift Boats.

Eric Chen

Attacking Obama's ethnic identity is a loser. Think of the enormous cross-spectrum popularity of Tiger Woods - Obama has the same kind of sophisticated black-and-multiethnic appeal.

Ann

Eric, the person attacking Obama's ethic identity is BILL CLINTON. !

Ann

***ethnic***

scoopa

If Obama was a Republican and strong on the war - I would absolutely adore him. But alas, he's not. I still want him to take out the beast, and then lose in Nov.

Macsmind blog hears that Shrillary has personally picked the target of her venim....Michelle Obama!! Do they even MAKE enough popcorn for all of this fun????

GMax

Who wanted more of Liberals pile on the most liberal? You asked for it, you got it. Courtesy of TalkLeft:

I cast my first vote for George McGovern in 1972. I remember the thrill, the excitement of his campaign. Of course I knew little about what was really going on but he was the anti-war candidate and that was good enough for me.

Fast forward 36 years later. I'm not a new mom but a grandmother of five. I've watched this ENDLESS campaign from the beginning. I started out admiring Obama and ended up supporting and voting for Hillary. I've always voted for the Democratic ticket regardless of the hapless candidates on the ticket.

Last week I changed my voter registration to Independent. No longer will the Democratic Party be able to count on my dollars, time or vote. Howard Dean has messed up the whole primary season and quite frankly the Democrats, who are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot, deserve to get their collective butts kicked in November.

I will either write in HRC or vote for McCain in the G.E. if Obama is the Dem nominee. There is a lot that people do not know about him. Since I practice law in Illinois, I have some idea of what goes on in Springfield and Chicago. No one gets anywhere in Illinois politics without being dirty. It doesn't matter if you are a Dem or a Republican. They all go to jail regardless of party affiliation.

Obama has played dirty in the past (ever wonder why Jack Ryan's divorce papers were unsealed?)and he will continue to do it.

My take is that Rove and Co. will slice and dice him and throw him in the Chicago river. But what do I know? I don't like his snarky, arrogant "I'm better than you" attitude. And the Rezko connections, donations, deals can and will be fuel for the fire. But then I say burn, baby burn.

RichatUF

JMH-

Thanks;)

Elliott

McCain has a track record of actually doing what Obama is just talking [a]bout.

I agree and I'd also say that Obama is trying to replicate McCain's 2000 campaign with his effort to make the fight against special interest influence one of the major themes of his campaign.

Here are the first (of two) paragraphs on Obama's time in the Washington from his campaign website's meet the candidate page:

In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

You can find more on that first law here. The bill was sponsored was Coburn. It appears that there were three initial cosponsors: Sens. Carper, McCain, and Obama.

There is, as bgates reminded us recently, a history of bitterness between McCain and Obama on lobbying reform as evidenced by their exchange of letters. During his Jefferson-Jackson dinner speech in Virginia, Obama suggested that lobbying reform would be a topic of debate in the general election. He'd better be able to get a lot of mileage out of McCain's snarky letter because I otherwise I will have a hard time differentiating them on those issues where Obama has changed Washington.

baldilocks

Baldilocks, I would love to know how you think we are going to beat Obama's appeal to "Disney World" vs. McCain's "Real World"

Posted by: Ann

I doubt if we are. Had it been Romney, we would have had a chance.

See, people aren't like bloggers (wording intentional); most people don't care about long-term issues, most don't think strategically (many bloggers don't think this way either). Most just want a president who makes them feel good about themselves and Obama does that.

Bush was Real World and someone else (McCain) who has that same quality will not win against the pie-in-the-sky Obama--the embodiment of the first black president fairy tale. (Yes, I said it because I can.)

And because no one can find an effective strategy to beat him, they turn to the old stand-bys (bigotry) and the new ones (fear of Islamist terror and of Arabs)--those which will only damage the conservative Republican cause further. So I guess my answer is "I don't know," but I refuse to let fear *of anything* reign. (Sort of related: fear is what any and all terrorists are selling.)

Batten down the hatches.

MayBee

If Obama was a Republican and strong on the war - I would absolutely adore him.

I really like him. I find him admirable and tremendously likable. I'm happy he seems to want to take some of the venom out of the political debate. Tip and Ronnie were never so venomous.
It just so happens that Obama's policies are nothing like I want to see. I certainly won't vote for him.

Topsecretk9

IS anyone else getting slightly tired of the Clinton supporters lame and stupid "we've got to attack and smear Obama because Rove will" excuse?

Topsecretk9

Sorry OT - but the LA Times has a story about a failed plan the CIA had in setting up all the front companies in Europe after 9-11- and of course if mentions the domestically located Brewster Jennings - poor Val blah, blah

HAH - the author then writes a few paragraphs down


The NOC program typically had functioned as an elite entity, made up of a small number of carefully selected case officers, some of whom would spend years in training and a decade or more overseas with only intermittent contact with headquarters. But the new plan called for the front companies to serve as way stations even for relatively inexperienced officers, who would be rotated in and out much the way they would in standard embassy assignments.

IOW, like everyone has said , a NOC would not work everyday at headquarters like NOC Plame.

The whole things kind of interesting...After 9/11, the agency spent millions setting up front companies overseas to snag terrorists. Officials now say the bogus firms were ill-conceived and not close enough to Muslim enclaves.

Elliott

McCain voted against the ethics reform bill that Obama cites as a major achievement.

Here are some some criticisms of the bill and here's some outrage from McCain.

[Post slightly edited after Typepad said ixnay on the inkslay. Reference to NYT editorial board's defense of Obama's achievement on ethics reform removed.]

MayBee

Elliot and Tops- you saw that Katie's gone, right?

Elliott

Which Katie, MayBee? Couric?

Topsecretk9

Katie? Katie who?

MayBee

Make me a Supermodel Katie!
I'm sooooo disappointed in you two.

JM Hanes

I like Obama too, MayBee, although I've been pretty shocked at just how shallow his understanding of global issues appears to be. Ironically, I think that most of the criticisms the Clintons themselves (vs surrogates like Shaheen) have lodged against him are basically accurate -- it must drive them crazy when he just brushes them off! I was disappointed though when Obama did nothing to defuse the attack on Hillary for her MLK/LBJ remark. So much for the new politics!

I'd add President Bush to the list of people who has consistently steered clear of venom, which is all the more remarkable considering the crudity of his detractors. There are a number of things that I dislike even more than the general nastiness of current politics though. At the top of my list is the blatant misrepresentation of opponents' positions, which usually relies on Dowdified quotations -- like the recent attack on McCain for supporting a "100 year war" in Iraq -- and which perverts the very notion of debate. Gore did it almost continuously in the 2000 election, and I remember being struck by how rarely anyone in the press ever called him on it. It seems to me that election reporting has only grown increasingly superficial and speculative since then.

I also think the insistence on impugning people's motives, instead of attacking their policies or records has debased public discourse almost beyond recognition. Unfortunately, it's proved a very useful tool, because when you change the playing field to motives, a person's actual political positions or accomplishments no longer even matter. That's a big party of why I found McCain's line about doing things for "patriotism not money" so offensive.

Elliott

Oh, dear. What's worse is I can barely remember who's up for the vote this week. Ronnie, Frankie(?), and Holly's runway partner, right?

Who do you think will survive between Chris and Rami?

DX

The bogus firms were competing with real firms. CIA has the ability to put people out of business and they have done this as well as countries. The private companies are NOCs not able to make it in the real world. The old days Goldman Sacks would just hire the guy and put him in. Some made money.

Plame's Brewster Jennings blew the energy business that goes back to nuclear power plants and good work. Governments and businesses also have to consider what a Plame will do. They have very special training on destroying people and countries and if they are willing to do this to the President and VP, why wouldn't they do that to you? The best anyone can do is avoid anything CIA.

The idea of a platform that acts like an embassy is insane. NOCs work best all alone with no back up. As far as what a JOM is, most were tax leaches who went to college and didn't make retirement.

Topsecretk9

Maybee

You silly. I was bummed. She's not fat.

Elliot
Holly's runway partner, right? Yep.

Also. I'm bummed SweetP is AUF Runway. I think she kinda blew last week, but she is soooo SWEET.

hrtshpdbox

"Had it been Romney, we would have had a chance."
Except for Thompson, I'm confident that Romney would've run worst against Hillary or Obama.

JM Hanes

TM:

Evan Thomas over at Newsweek weighs in on your advice to Hillary. Looks like she's not taking it:

If Hillary Clinton loses the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama, it is a good bet that she, or her minions, will cast a measure of blame on the press. Bill Clinton has already started making excuses, complaining that the media has given Obama a free ride. Though Hillary handed out chocolate Valentines to members of her traveling press corps, any embers of romance between the former First Lady and the Fourth Estate have long since died.

Apparently the romance had already pretty much expired back when the Clintons were in the White House, and "The First Lady suggested moving the press room out of the West Wing and into the Old Executive Office Building down the block."

Daddy

It seems to me that Obama's personal appeal to the masses is that he is fresh and charming, and innately likeable, much the way that we innately like Tiger Woods or Michael Jordon. Hillary is shrill, and McCain is...well I haven't had enough beer yet tonight to figure out what McCain is, but innately likeable like Obama he ain't.

In addition to all that, a vote for Obama, whether he's qualified or not, is raising a great P.C. banner over the country and shouting to the rest of the world, "Please like us again cause we aren't even racists any more, and the Monkey of slavery is finally off our back, Yippee!"

If Hil or McCain can't easily explain to the masses why electing them tops that last sentiment, then I think Obama takes it.

Clyde

Obama was quoted on Super Tuesday as saying, "We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."

To which I can only reply with the old T-shirt slogan, "We are the ones our parents warned us about."

syn

I'm hoping Hillary defeats Obama so that Democrats will be the object of Moveon.org's wrath for a change.

If Obama loses to an "old white guy who is an extension of McChimphaliburtonoilneoconnazi and the evil rethuglian regime" the last seven years of crazy hate towards Bush will be child's play compared to what the Left will do to McCain if their Messiah is not Selected.

kim

Amen.
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Sue

Only 2nd Lt JG "reported for duty"

I've often wondered if Kerry had not ran on his 4 month service in Vietnam if he would have not drawn the ire of the Swiftys and possibly have been our president. Of course, the only thing else he had to run on was 20 years in the senate which he never mentioned, for a reason, so...he had little choice but to "report for duty".

I hope McCain stays away from his service. I know he has mentioned it already several times. Everyone is aware that he is a hero. Please let him have enough sense to not tell us repeatedly. Anyone in the McCain campaign lurking, pay attention.

kim

Good question, Sue, but Kerry's character is hubritic and mortal. Integrity, integrity, integrity.

Remember, too, electability(supposed) was important to the Dem poobahs after the Dean scream. They were looking forward to the contrast between the bloodied hero and the deserter.
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kim

And Dean has, or had, a bad back.
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kim

"We are the ones we've been hoping for" is the key to Obama's delusions of grandeur. It is grandiose, and will appeal to the most guilt-ridden. I'm not denigrating it(oh, hell; words), guilt has almost infinite possibilities for manipulation of the human soul.
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Marc Savard

I live in WI, and we are getting pummeled with BHO TV ads. His populist pandering is hitting the "jobs going overseas" shtick that Kerry tried to no avail. He tells people that he will give tax breaks to corporations to bring those jobs back to the US. "Enough is enough" he proclaims. Yet this morning in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel he is quoted as saying to their editorial board that "...those jobs aren't coming back." Change, change, change.

cathyf
After 9/11, the agency spent millions setting up front companies overseas to snag terrorists. Officials now say the bogus firms were ill-conceived and not close enough to Muslim enclaves.
Well, like, duh! The CIA employees were thinking the Julia Child model, "Yippee! I get to become a cordon bleu cook whilst doing a little spying on the side!" And so they set up the front companies in such a way as to maximize their potential for fun and entertainment at the taxpayer's expense, and any effectiveness at spying would have been way way way down on the list...
centralcal

Good morning. I was surprised to see Badilocks commenting here. Welcome to JOM!

In all of the discussion about the pros and cons of Obama's candidacy, no one mentions his wife Michelle. Personally, I think she is a big negative in his campaign. She strikes me at the bossy, pushy type and I wonder if there isn't a whole lot of RW-ism in her personality profile.

For all the ways that Obama comes across as "attractive" and "nice," Mrs. Obama does not.

kim

Reuel Marc Gerecht has a nice article in the WaPo about how many fewer jihadists went to Iraq than Afghanistan. David Warren a wonderful article with a Modest Proposal in the Ottawa Citizen about global cooling. And, I haven't even gotten to the transcript of the Intelligence Squared debate about whether or not the US should be the world's policeman. All easily available at RCP.

It's nice to be snowed in and not be in Tajikistan. Still no sunspots.
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Other Tom

For those (if any) who are interested, I wrote as follows to this fellow Kenneth Lamb, who has published the stuff about Obama’s lineage (I used the word “Negro” because, according to him, that is the term used in the Kenyan records):

“As I understand you, Barack Obama’s father had a maternal grandparent who was classified as Negro. If so, that would mean that Barack’s paternal grandmother was ½ Negro, and Barack’s father was thus ¼ Negro.

“Barack himself would thus be 1/8 Negro, not 1/16 as you suggest.

“Am I missing something?”

Here’s the money part of his response:

“I owe you a debt of thanks for catching the typo exclusion of the word ‘great’ left out of the relationship descriptor concerning his father's bloodlines. It has been corrected on my blog, and in my master draft of the article. An email correction will go out after I hit the send button for this acknowledgment to you. You earned the first notice since you brought the first notice to my attention.

“More than 3,000 words, and the most critical is the one that got past my proofreaders, past my editor, and past me. It is indeed humbling.”

Other Tom

Here's a nice little excerpt from an article in the Baltimore Sun:

"A Clinton superdelegate who served in Bill Clinton's administration said the former president 'has screwed this thing up for her big-time. They need to send him out of the country for a long, long time. I am angry at Bill Clinton and I think there are other Hillary people who are angry at Bill, who felt that she was running a very good, solid campaign - she wasn't the exciting one, but she was the solid one - and then he came in and made it nasty, and single-handedly pushed away black voters.'"

What could possibly make for more joyous reading than that? I find myself reading it over and over, savoring it anew each time.

RichatUF

And a bit of morning candy-

How long has MoDo been on the NYT payroll? A column about nothing, or maybe something, not really sure-Obama "giving false Hopi" then it goes down from there...maybe MoDo is a secret McCain supporter?

But I'm sure that MoDo isn't on the Clinton's Christmas card list after this: "Hillary could be ready on Day 1 — to make up her Enemies List and banish Overkill Bill to a cubbyhole in the Old Executive Office Building. But it’s Day 2 that I’m really worried about."

Other Tom

But wait, there's more! This is from Arkansasnews.com:

"Hillary Clinton is far from being an afterthought in the Democratic presidential contest, but she is fading fast. It would be easy, but inaccurate, to assert that she has no one to blame but herself. At least some of the blame for her downward trajectory must be placed at the feet of her husband.

"Bill Clinton turned into an attack dog in New Hampshire and played the race card in South Carolina, but it's more than that. Conventional wisdom held that she needed him around to win, but having him around probably reminded Democratic voters of the Clintons' unsavory side, which has led some to seek a clean break from the past by way of Barack Obama."

The hits just keep on coming!

GMax

Most just want a president who makes them feel good about themselves and Obama does that.

I disagee with both your pessimism and with the use of the word "MOST". Some is a better use.

The great muddle usually is not paying much attention right now. It up at 6 and off to work and the struggle to pay the bills and if they know much at all about the candidates, it is about sound bites and rhetoric.

The fact that a candidate who is a blank slate, and is using soaring rhetoric effectively at this point, is only up 2 - 3 % in National polls is frankly amazing.

But liberals dont win National elections in the US. The only Democrat who has cracked 50% since LBJ in 64 was Jimmy Carter, posed as a centrist, and then he got 50.1% against a guy who had just pardoned Nixon.

Since Obama is most definitely a Liberal, and has a long track record on that point, it will be the obvious goal of his Republican opponent to make sure that the muddle knows what Obama stands for. It is entirely fair to point out his policies have a major costs attached to them and that means your taxes are going up substantially. When that point is understood, I think it should be game set and match.

Now McGovern set a huge bar for overtly liberal candidates. He lost everywhere but one State. Obama might not lose that badly, but I predict it will not be as close as 2004 let alone 2000. Bring it on, progressives. Let see if the US voters want socialism with a red ribbon.

RichatUF

Other Tom-

And its only February-I'm waiting for the real ugliness to get started a day or so out from the March 4 contests.

I'm also looking forward to the Jefferson trial too-lucky us, it looks to kick off Feb 25!

Sue

OT,

::grin::

You are having waaaaay too much fun. But keep it up.

MikeS

If Hil or McCain can't easily explain to the masses why electing them tops that last sentiment, then I think Obama takes it.

Don't elect Obama because he will change America!

The U.S. has been in a constant state of improvement since its inception.

When we get up on Tuesday morning more Americans will go to work than ever before in the history of our country.
More Americans own their own homes, and more black and other minority Americans own their own homes and their own businesses than ever before in our history.

The U.S. produces more food, more technological miracles, more medical miracles than any country on earth.
U.S. schools produce more working engineers and scientists, more entrepreneurs, more teachers and more authors than any other country.

If things don't change the U.S. will continue to improve and continue to be a beacon of hope to the rest of the world.

RichatUF

In other news, via Drudge...

Look quicky because al-Reuters will not leave the story up for long. Bush has been the worst, most racist US President in US history-his peanuts for Africa [outside the UN's infrastructure] have been meaningless as the narrative goes. At least BHO or RW will undo this damage-all for US credibility of course.

kim

It's the press that is sick, not America.
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kim

Reuters has an article by a Kim McLaughlin reporting on the riots in Denmark, with the remark that police consider the unseasonably mild weather to be contributing to the riots, and tiptoeing around the fact that it is Muslims rioting over the cartoons.

What a joke.
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Rick Ballard

GMAx,

That might be too rational an assessment in a time of BHO Fever. We seem to be stuck in the "this time it could be different" phase for the moment.

Oh well. I might add that the increased turnout by women for RW in the primaries is far more troublesome than any fit of BHO Fever. Granted, it's another "if tomorrow is like today" scenario which may not come to pass but a 4-5% shift based on "this is my first chance to vote for a woman" is a lot more dangerous than a "this is my first chance to vote for a black Red".

GMax

Well my science class in high school taught me that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Hill will need all of those women, as men will vote less for the Democrat candidate than they have in the past. We can also surmise at this point, that if someone rains on the Messiah's parade, they are going to feel the wrath, not the candidate who was not up to his rhetoric, so trying to extrapolate from primary turnout to general turnout is so fraught with peril that most knowledgeable pundit have not even tried to do more than point out that turnout is up for the Democrats.

Single rational thought is quite fleeting for a large swath of Democrat voters, that also throws another curve ball. And dont Forget Green Ralph says that he is running again, so really really despondent lefties will have a place to park their protest vote.

MikeS

Just because there may not be a black man or a woman on the ballot in Nov., doesn't mean their supporters can't write their name in.

Sue

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3382343.ece>Wow,I'm speechless.

“If only I had more boys to carry on in his footsteps,” she sighed, confessing that she did not have any pictures of him, even from his childhood, as he had taken them away. He was the third of her sons to die in a car bombing.
Sue
Apparently, someone secreted a bomb over an international border and murdered someone and there's dancing in the streets.

The commenters at these sites make my head hurt.

PeterUK

"The only people who see the world as it really is are the clinically depressed."

James Montier, Société General. Cited in The Sunday Telegraph business section.

kim

Excedrin Headache #29.
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PeterUK

"The only people who see the world as it really is are the clinically depressed."

James Montier, Société General. Cited in The Sunday Telegraph business section.

Sue

Excedrin Headache #29.

I'm well past #29.

Sue

Excedrin Headache #29.

I'm well past #29.

kim

I meant the headrest guy, and he's past headaches, now, too.
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Sue

Oh. Gotcha.

MikeS

To draw Obama into a discussion of the issues, Hillary needs to point out that, except for incumbents, all politicians always run on hope and change, and that includes herself. But most politicians will say what they hope for and what they want to change to.

Then she could say, "I hope Obama will change his mind on bombing Pakistan because most Americans disagree with him. I hope Obama changes his mind about giving the U.N. control of U.S. international aid because most Americans disagree with him. I hope Obama changes this or that because most Americans disagree with him."

It would be pretty hard for the press to ignore that kind of hope and change.

Other Tom

Now comes the Philadelphia Inquirer:

"Hillary Rodham Clinton is left with only two options: Lose gracefully, or win ugly.
It's hard to envision the former. Losing gracefully is not in the Clinton DNA. So let's consider the latter, and the collateral damage that may ensue.

"Realistically, the only way she can win the nomination is by flexing some old-school muscle, thereby infuriating millions of grassroots Democrats who have long assumed that the stench of backroom deal-making had dissipated decades ago.

"She is now trailing Barack Obama in the delegate count - a circumstance she and her aides never imagined would happen at this point in the calendar - and she won't erase that deficit unless she somehow pulls off landslide victories in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania, expunging Obama's star power in the bargain. I'd sooner bet on Paris Hilton's winning an Oscar.

"So her only option is to defeat Obama in the smoke-free rooms and risk plunging the Democratic Party into civil war."

Nah--she'd never do that, right? Her concern is for the well-being of the Party, right?

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