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Jane

Poor Barack. He's toast!

And today is the day Hillary releases her WH schedule, or notes, or something we've been waiting for. Is she hoping all the attention to the Messiah will deflect that fact that she didn't bring peace to Northern Ireland? Will we suddenly realize she was home baking cookies and standing by her man? How many hours will go by before we realize that oh so many records are missing?

Or do we not even care cause the BO implosion is more fun to watch?

Inquiring minds want to know.

kim

Do you suppose he'll bring up 'perverse and hateful ideologies' during tea for two with Ahmadi-Nijad? Or with the right Reverend Jeremiah Wright?
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kim

I'm waiting for Obama's grandmother to announce she is supporting Hillary.

And what about the bomber assembly plant in Leavenworth? I think he is dead wrong about that and I would like to be a fly on the wall when she next speaks to him. They assembled bombers in Wichita, because it was far from the coasts and already had endemic airplane manufacturing talent. Boeing is in Wichita, the Command and General Staff College in Leavenworth.
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capitano

Compare and contrast BO's statements regarding Don Imus:

"He didn't just cross the line," Obama said. "He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women -- who I hope will be athletes -- that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It's one that I'm not interested in supporting."
Appalled Moderate

Guys:

You are setting yourself up for this:

REPORTER: Did Barack tell you about his speech?

GRANDMOTHER: Oh yes. We talked about it. He is a fine man, isn't he? Gonna be President.

REPORTER: Ma'am, Senator Obama compared you to his pastor, who has said...

GRANDMOTHER: Pastor Willie, just last week, said we're all going to Hell. And he's such a nice man too.

I know, I said some things around Barry. I just didn't think. We talked about this 20 years ago. We came to an understanding. I never understood before. Folks my age don't always understand...

REPORTER: But he compared you....

GRANDMOTHER: What is your point young man? Barry is family. You want me to talk bad about family?

REPORTER: Well, some people think Obama

GRANDMOTHER: Senator Obama, young man..

REPORTER: Senator Obama talked bad about family...

GRANDMOTHER: He was speaking from the heart, young man, and he talked to me about it first. I don't mind. I was wrong, just like his pastor was wrong, but he still has a Chrstian love for us both. Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

REPORTER: But...

GRANDMOTHER: Young man, please leave. Your hairspray is making me want to sneeze. But please vote for Barry. OK?

narciso

Of course, Jericho, is in Kansas, although not so near Wichita. On the best 'troofer' serial, they threw a little spin, once one gets past the references to Jennings & Rall (Halliburton)and Ravenwood (BlackWater) to the British East India Company & "Hessian mercenaries"; and "it's not a country, it's a company, it turns the great atrocity was provoked by one of those earnest reformers/
whistleblowers and it didn't turn out quite like he thought, leaving the British East India Company in charge. Of course, now the race is on, to prevent the earnest reformer,
"Al Gore" who nuked the village in order to save it, from decapitating Cheyenne, and plunging America back into darkness.

Neo

Now there is the "Obama-Wright escape" clause for those embarrassing situations where you can now say .. "I can no more likely renounce him/her than Obama could renounce Rev. Wright."

Wow. Doesn't that make the world a better place ?

Neo

Or .. I would like to invoke my "Obama-Wright escape" clause rights.

Ranks right up there with the 5th amendment.

Jane

Sheesh that Hit just keeps getting his star hoisted. Clarice and my beloved, Mark Steyn, publishes him at the link under my name.

Ya gotta scroll down.

Neo
Obama’s denunciation of Wright’s bigotry amounts to too little too late. The time to stand up to him wasn’t now, when his association with Wright is sinking his hopes for the White House. The time to have stood up to Wright was when Obama was just another member of his church. If he truly believes in what he says he believes, he should have walked out of Wright’s church or grabbed Wright’s microphone and told his fellow churchgoers that Wright was wrong and that they mustn’t hate. In twenty years of attending Wright’s church, why didn’t Obama once stand before his fellow church members and tell them that they mustn’t hate their country and their fellow Americans?
centralcal

Jane: thanks for the link to Steyn, which then led me to go check out VIMH. I just love Hit's homage to Clarice with the photo of the world record carp!

MayBee

From Lynne Sweet at the Sun Times:


On Friday, Obama, in an interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, Obama said something different. “I'll be honest with you. I wasn't in church when any of those sermons were issued.”

A new kind of honesty.

clarice

A new kind , indeed. He's as crooked as Hit is funny. And you know I think Hit IS funny.

A little morning sherbet. (The Washington Post rather uniformly reports Obama's speech as something just slightly less fantastic than the Gettysburg Address or the Sermon on the Mount. (Pheh)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/its_time_to_call_the_democrats.html

michaelt

It depends on how you define "those."

Neo

NPR comfirms that the policies of the Bush Administration on global warming are working.

anduril

Jay Cost this morning provides a sympathetic reading of Obama's speech, as well as a critique. More than most commentaries I've seen it provides a springboard to further discussion of some of the profound issues involved:

On Obama's Speech

Ranger

I think this is an interesting question (imagining Obama abroad) because it gets to one of the core roles of the president, which is to speak for America to the world. Obama says he loves this country, but he won't wear a US Flag pin or put his hand over his heart when the national anthem is played. There are only two explanations for that which I can see.

1) He really isn't that proud of America.

Or

2) He is proud, but he is too embarrased of that pride to display it to his family and friends back home in Hyde Park and Kenwood.

If the answer is 1, then I don't see any way he can be an advoate for America to the world.

If the answer is 2, then I wonder how he can be an advocate for America to our true adversaries when he doesn't have the courage to be an advocate for America to his wife and friends.

anduril

Obama is imbued with a Marxist style of thought, for whom truth (and honesty) is what works at the moment.

Jane

I don't think it's about pride, or love of country or anything like that. I think Obama wants to be at one with the world. If that means we give in a little to sharia law, well that's for the good of one world. There should be no borders, and everyone in the world deserves to have a piece of its richness.

anduril

Robert Tracinski has another outstanding article, The Meaning of Obama's Speech on Race, this time with the bonus of a substantial quote from one of my favorite social commentators, Stanley Kurtz:

What is good about the speech is that it says the one thing Obama needed to say to differentiate himself from the Reverend Wright and to restore the basis for his support among many of his supporters.

In one key passage, Obama assures whites that he understands their resentment at constantly being vilified as racist and blamed for all of the ills suffered by blacks.

Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience--as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch.... So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

Equally important, Obama explicitly recognizes that America has made progress in rejecting racism. "The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons is...that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made.... But what we know--what we have seen--is that America can change."

This is a bit of an understatement to describe a society that has transformed itself in 50 years--the span of an adult lifetime--from a country in which racial segregation was practiced openly and defiantly, to one in which even the suspicion of racial prejudice can ruin a man's career and reputation. Just as America once tore itself apart to end slavery, so in the past five decades it has turned itself upside down to exterminate racism. Obama's recognition is the smallest down payment he could possibly offer on the credit America is owed for its record on racism. But it is, I suppose, the best we've heard from a prominent black politician on the left.

At the same time that he offers this reassurance to whites, however, he offers an opposite reassurance for his black listeners, telling them that he will not entirely disown racial rabble rousers like Wright. The reverend's church, he explains, "contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America." Wright "contains within him the contradictions--the good and the bad--of the community that he has served diligently for so many years." And so therefore, "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."

And if his white audience is still uncomfortable with this, he subtly intimidates them with an insidious appeal to liberal white guilt, implying that "the fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons" shows that whites are disconnected from the legitimate grievances of blacks, and thus "to condemn [that anger] without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races."

And here you thought shouting "God damn America" and concocting slanderous conspiracy theories was unforgivable--and you didn't realize that when you thought that, you were widening the chasm of misunderstanding between the races. Don't you feel terrible? Perhaps it is safer just to keep your mouth shut from now on.

The upshot is described pretty accurately by Stanley Kurtz:

Wright's view of America is rejected as mistaken, and insufficiently hopeful about the country's potential to change. Yet in the end Wright is embraced, accepted, and even to a degree justified. Wright has some basis for what he says, yet also makes mistakes, we're told, and are then reminded that the same can be said for opponents of affirmative action or proponents of welfare reform....

Remember when we were hearing about the need to purge Michael Moore and the MoveOn crowd from the Democratic Party? Obama is the polar opposite of all that--and in a devilishly clever way.... There will be plenty of the most left-leaning appointees staffing the federal bureaucracy and set into judgeships under Obama, and all of it will be smoothed over by speeches about national healing and understanding pain....

Far from pulling a Hubert Humphrey or a Tony Blair and casting the radical left out of the party, Obama seems to see his job as getting the rest of the country to adopt a stance of relative complacency toward the most egregious sorts of anti-Americanism--all under the guise of achieving national unity.

I think this analysis does justice to the cleverness of the speech, but also illustrates why an Obama presidency would likely worsen race relations in the US--not because he's black but because he is the most extreme of liberals.

MayBee

The Washington Post rather uniformly reports Obama's speech as something just slightly less fantastic than the Gettysburg Address or the Sermon on the Mount.

Of course the WaPo likes it. Their idea of honest discussions about race has heretofore been ruminating whether George Allen was a closet racist or an outright racist for saying "macaca".

Appalled Moderate

Andruil:

Jay Cost this morning provides a sympathetic reading of Obama's speech, as well as a critique. More than most commentaries I've seen it provides a springboard to further discussion of some of the profound issues involved

Cost's piece was interesting, and it gets to an issue raised by TM here -- what has Obama done to advance his overarching theme of unity when he has had the opportunity to do so?

(TM -- Think you have a post idea here. Sure beats complaining that Obama is a meany who hates his granny.)

Obama is imbued with a Marxist style of thought, for whom truth (and honesty) is what works at the moment

Technically, I think you mean Leninist rather than Marxist. And I don't really agree that Obama is doing any lying in his speech. He has engaged in some adroit changes of subject around personally uncomfortable subjects -- but this is taught in Politician 101.

The intellectual construct of Obama's speech is indeed rather reminiscent of Marx. He propounds two separate lines of thought, and suggests a synthesis which is said to be better than both. Also, that little bit of populism (instead of concentrating on racial grivances, white folk shuld direct their fire at rich people) has a bit of a Daily Worker feel.

anduril

AM, while I understand your preference for "Leninism" as the mot juste, I'll still insist on "Marxist" and will offer as authority Eric Voegelin's marvelous short work Science, Politics and Gnosticism. I certainly didn't accuse Obama of lying--his Marxism is no doubt sincere as far as it goes. "Lying" would require a very different definition of truth than the Marxist one.

Anyway, I'm glad you liked the article. I do think it's a good springboard for discussion.

clarice

Too many threads, anduril. I put my thoughts on it on the other of today's threads, I'm sorry to say.

anduril

Well, then, I'll concentrate on scare mongering.

MikeS

Barack Obama should have condemned the hatred embodied by the Reverend's remarks. He should have condemned the racism of those remarks. He should have condemned the demonization of whites encouraged by his pastor.

Instead, Obama condemned the intolerance of people who were offended by Rev. Wright?

anduril

At the risk of repeat posting, I'd like to share Steve Sailer's really excellent blog on the famous Throw Granny from the Train part of Obama's speech. Sailer, by referring to Obama's book, shows that he actually lies about Granny in his speech. Two interesting things here:

1. The role of Gramps--remember, he was the one who came up with that bar story where Papa Obama conned some evil racist out of money.

2. Notice the way Obama portrays himself so dramatically, like the young boy who grows up to be the hero--dare I say Messiah?--in later life.

Obama throws his own 85-year-old grandmother under the wheels of the BS Express

From Obama's Wright speech:

"I can no more disown [Rev. Dr. Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

A careful look at this incident as Obama described it on pp. 88-91 of Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance shows that Obama is slandering his elderly grandmother to make Rev. Dr. Wright look better. Obama's white grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who was raising him and earning most of the money in the family while his own mother was off in Indonesia working on her 1067 page dissertation on peasant blacksmithing, rode the bus each morning to her job as a bank executive. One day, the 16-18 year old Obama wakes up to an argument between his grandmother and grandfather. She didn't want to ride the bus because she had been hassled by a bum at the bus stop. She tells him:

"Her lips pursed with irritation. 'He was very aggressive, Barry. Very aggressive. I gave him a dollar and he kept asking. If the bus hadn't come, I think he might have hit me over the head."

So why didn't Obama's lefty grandfather not want to drive his own wife to work? Because to help his wife avoid the hostile, dangerous panhandler would be morally wrong, because the potential mugger was ... Well, I'll let Sen. Obama tell the story:

"He turned around and I saw that he was shaking. 'It is a big deal. It's a big deal to me. She's been bothered by men before. You know why she's so scared this time. I'll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black.' He whispered the word. 'That's the real reason why she's bothered. And I just don't think that right.'

"The words were like a fist in my stomach, and I wobbled to regain my composure. In my steadiest voice, I told him that such an attitude bothered me, too, but reassured him that Toot's fears would pass and that we should give her a ride in the meantime. Gramps slumped into a chair in the living room and said he was sorry he had told me. Before my eyes, he grew small and old and very sad. I put my hand on his shoulder and told him that it was all right, I understood.

"We remained like that for several minutes, in painful silence. Finally he insisted that he drive Toot after all, and I thought about my grandparents. They had sacrificed again and again for me. They had poured all their lingering hopes into my success. Never had they given me reason to doubt their love; I doubted if they ever would. And yet I knew that men who might easily have been my brothers would still inspire their rawest fear."

Then Obama drives over for counseling to the house of his grandfather's friend Frank, an old black Communist Party USA member, who tells him:

"What I'm trying to tell you is, your grandma's right to be scared. She's at least as right as Stanley is. She understands that black people have a reason to hate. That's just how it is. For your sake, I wish it were otherwise. But it's not. So you might as well get used to it."

"Frank closed his eyes. His breathing slowed until he seemed to be asleep. I thought about waking him, then decided against it and walked back to the car. The earth shook under my feet, ready to crack open at any moment. I stopped, trying to steady myself, and knew for the first time that I was utterly alone."

Man, what a family full of drama queens! And now Obama is equating his own grandma, who was the main breadwinner in this dysfunctional family circus (and who is still alive, living in the Honolulu highrise where this scene took place), with Rev. Dr. God Damn America.

Classy.

The Washington Monthly's liberal blogger Kevin Drum, who voted for Obama, commented about this scene and others:

"Obama routinely describes himself feeling the deepest, most painful emotions imaginable (one event is like a "fist in my stomach," for example, and he "still burned with the memory" a full year after a minor incident in college), but these feelings seem to be all out of proportion to the actual events of his life, which are generally pretty pedestrian."

So, in summary, let's look at how Obama smeared his own elderly but very much alive grandmother, calling her:

"a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

Well, no, according to Obama's 1995 book, it is not at all true that she "once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street." Instead, she once confessed her fear of one aggressive black beggar who didn't pass by her but instead confronted her, demanded money, and then gave her -- an intelligent, level-headed woman who had worked her way up to a mid-level corporate management position -- good reason to believe he would have violently mugged her if her bus hadn't pulled up.

Appalled Moderate

andruil:

Sailer assumes that what Obama was referring to in this speech was only this incident. I don't see how that's a resonable assumption.

anduril

Wrong, AM. Read it again more closely. He focuses on the "black men passing incident" from his book, although there was only one, but notes the "more than once occasion" part, too. There is full disclosure. As in the bar incident, all this is seen through Gramps' prism.

sbw

I just read Obama's speech. It took several sittings, several paragraphs at a time, to be able to wade through it. Although I will compose a more thorough observation later, Obama's speech failed.

Obama didn't miss the point, the speech shows he doesn't SEE the point. He believes he can bridge the gap between cultures, doesn't know how to do it, but nevertheless believes he can. That is evident because nowhere does he show us he sees what needs to be seen.

Everyone lives in one society made of many cultures. That overriding society has few abiding considerations. Truth is one — and to help each other see it. Respect is another — to help each other and oneself.

His 20-year relationship with Wright and the church ignored the value of truth and respect, and nowhere in his speech did he acknowledge the importance of truth or respect.

To claim special ability to bridge a gap between one culture and another and, in so doing, ignore the abiding considerations necessary for all society is sad.

The platitudes of Obama's speech deflect, minimize, dissemble, and accuse. In the end, Obama doesn't give any answers because he doesn't understand the questions.

He doesn't know what is important and he doesn't know why.

GMax

By the way, in the book Obama after seeing his Gramps make a lefty ass of himself about Gramma being concerned about getting mugged at the bus stop goes and visits with a friend and mentor. Its all in the book.

Who is this guy Frank?

Apparently Frank Davis, known Communist Party USA member.

Apparently this guy is also touted as being a mentor to Barack during his formative years.

Sure seems to me to be a whole lot of Marxists rattling around in this guys attic. Momma Moonbat, lefty grampa, Frank Davis CPUSA member, William Ayers and another Weather member ( whose name escapes me ) who is an acknowledged CPUSA member and Rev Wright of Black Liberation Theology fame.

But socialism is really just communism without the violent revolution now isn't it?

boris

He doesn't know what is important and he doesn't know why.

True that. The fundamental essence of his blindmess is this:

"the fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons" shows that whites are disconnected from the legitimate grievances of blacks, and thus "to condemn [that anger] without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races."

No. I call BS on that. Cue Replay:

[Black voters] are 90% democrat, the party of slavery, the party of Jim Crow, the party that pandered to white privilege, that party that NOW is the party that panders to minority entitlement. The party that blames rich people (white Republicans) for all that bad stuff.
Maybe the blacks who go for the minority entitlement pandering and shifting blame away from their new benefactors are not as bad as the whites who went for the white privilege and discrimination but putting up with being the target of anger shifted from others is unacceptable.

Anger at Southern Democrats would be "understandable". Forgiving today's benefactor Democrat party is "understandable". What is not understandable or acceptable is forgiving the Democrat party while white liberals stand in the presence of Jeremia's rage nodding their heads and pointing their fingers at the rest of us.

GMax

Scott Rasmussen reading tea leaves:

While the full impact of Obama’s speech will not be known for some time, early indications are that it may have helped Obama more in the Democratic Primary competition than in a potential General Election match-up.

Ya think?

JB

Ouch, ouch, ouch, Tom.

You've been beating the crap out of Obambi. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you weren't very fond of him.

YOU RACIST!!!!!

boris

may have helped Obama more in the Democratic Primary competition

Doubt it. Probably just skews the polls because BHO sez taking offence at Father Jeremia makes you a racist.

Rick Ballard

"Imagining Barack Abroad"

? You mean like The Crying Game? Metrosexual, sure, but he's a bit tall for the other isn't he? Plus the ears.

boris

A big wig would fix that up.

Jane

but he's a bit tall for the other isn't he? Plus the ears.

Amy says he looks like a Q-Tip.

Other Tom

Posting on the run, and in haste--this time from the computer of the dreaded mother-in-law in PA.

The first post on this thread (Jane's) had it right: the man is finished, and he cannot and will not be elected. Forget about his speech; only a sliver of the November electorate was watching anyway. A huge slice of the swing voters simply will not vote for a guy who sat in that church for twenty years. Forget about which particular sermons he heard--if he didn't know everything all of us now know about Preacer Wright long ago, he's a dunce.

McCain wins in November. Cut this one and save it. The election of 2008 is over, and your friend Other Tom told you who would win on March 19 (actually, the fine fellow did it a few days ago, but in the interest of modesty he will only claim March 19 as the Date of the Epiphany).

Jane

Harummph!


I beat you by 6 days. (well really a few hours before you proclaimed it on the 13th.) That's what you get for visiting the relatives. Stop stealing my thunder. (Altho it's possible I only proclaimed the demise of Obama and not the election of McCain. If so, I bow in homage.)

sbw

OT & Jane, and if you win bragging rights, why do you need 'em?

[Puncturing two big balloons with one pin. ;-) ]

Soylent Red

Jane and OT:

Never underestimate the stupidity (and cupidity) of an Oprahfied electorate.

Obama represents, on many levels, and escape from responsibility. And Americans are always up for that.

I will breathe easier in November, but not until.

Soylent Red

AN escape

sbw

The news reports say Obama wrote the speech mostly by himself. It shows. Everybody needs and editor.

clarice

sbw, that is--as usual--a very good analysis and so much more civil than mine. I just assumed he did know what the questions were and figured he could and would soft shoe it...and that seems to have worked on most of the media.

sbw

Example that everybody needs an editor: But it is a story that has seared into my genetic makeup the idea...

"Seared, seared." Nobody in politics who doesn't want to associated with Kerry "remembering" Cambodia should use the word "seared."

sbw

and so much more civil than mine.

Thanks, Clarice, but I have no doubt your analysis -- did I overlook it on a thread -- would be much more powerful and entertaining.

Sue

sbw,

That is the first thing I thought when I heard him use the word seared.

bgates

Sailer assumes that what Obama was referring to in this speech was only this incident. I don't see how that's a reasonable assumption.
Sure. How can you expect him to cram all the details of his 46 1/2 years into the mere 1,051 pages of biography he's written? Probably he's saving up stuff for his epic, Remembrance of Things Racial Slights Past.

But don't think you have to vote against Obama because he slurred his grandmother. You can vote against him because he's a hypocrite (Wright vs Imus), because he's a liar (I never heard the statements at issue/of course I heard stuff like that), because he seeks out the company of angry black separatists, or because he seeks out unreformed terrorists, or because he is a typically dirty Chicago machine politician, or because he's a leftist, or because his resume is so thin....

Or you can do what the rest of us are doing and vote against him because he's black.

GMax

Date of the Epiphany

You would dare to blaspheme on this holy week? Watch out for lightning bolts.

clarice

Heh-begates.
sbw, how generous..only because not to give a cite would be rude.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/obamababble.html

clarice

Here's a bit more on Teresa Heinz Kerry and ACORn--I think it's long past due that a psotlight was turned on ACORN and Tides FOundation but I don't know what I can do to bring that about.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:lCgCyzwIOcEJ:www.capitalresearch.org/news/news.html%3Fid%3D260+teresa+heinz+kerry+and+ACORN&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us>From tax free charities naughty ACORNs grow

GMax

Apparently Brian Ross did not get the DNC memo to lay off St. Barry of the thousand dreams. He along with Avni Patel is out with another blast, pointing out the obvious, that Barack lied to journalists and the public for over a year about what he knew of Rev Wright's views.

I wonder if Brian Ross look at some of his fellow journalists and just shake his head right now.

Between Ross and ABC, The Chicago Sun Times and the Times of London, I dont see his "MoveON" strategy working very well.

Pity that.

clarice

I can't comprehend Ross' uniquely honest reportage of this,bgates. Maybe abc looked at Fox' ratings and realized there was money to be made in the truth.

MayBee

Maybe Rahm Emmanuel still has Brian Ross's phone number.

That's probably not fair. No matter which way they lean, I do believe reporters hate to be lied to. Perhaps they too often like to think they've been lied to, but when they know they've been lied to (as has happened here) they won't give up.

Sue

Jake Tapper at ABC is still on it too. Maybe they took a look at the responses on his blog and decided it was worth pursuing.

Sue

Hot Air is reporting that a poll, a single poll, mind you, has Hillary leading Obama in NC by 1 point. First time she has led since December.

boris

Or you can do what the rest of us are doing and vote against him because he's black.

That he asserts great insight into Obama's character claiming more precision even than Shelby Steele, one might entertain the notion that his authority in that area is based on personal experience.

IOW that's not very likely.

Appalled Moderate

boris:

I am about as non-personal experience as it gets for anything to do with Obama. I didn't even go to Harvard.

Nor have I ever boasted insight into the guy's character. I just think Shelby Steele has none, either.

bgates:

I don't expect a conservative to vote for a liberal or like what he's saying. I will say I find the "grandmother" gambit beyond petty. And, since grandmother is $2,500 donor to Obama's campaign, I find it unlikely there wasn't a conversation with granny before she appeared in Obama's speech.

MayBee:

I think you have the right idea on the reportage. Obama made a good speech, but sidestepped the issue that got him into trouble. Which means it isn't going to bed just yet.

Ranger

Obama's problem with ABC is that this is looking like a pattern of evasion. The Chicago papers don't like Obama because he has relentlessly stonewalled on Rezko and repeatedly claimed he came clean, then came back later when new info surfaced to come completely clean again, and again. Now he is doing it again with Wright. The national press doesn't notice a pattern because they haven't been paying attention to the Rezko thing, but ABC is following the local papers' lead. Not a bad thing to do as a national press outlet. Know one knows a candidate better than the local press that has covered them for years.

boris

I just think Shelby Steele has none, either.

That just seems like a fairly arrogant claim unless you have greater or equal authority to claim insight than Steele.

PeterUK

"Well Mahmoud,what are we going to do about these damned Yankees?"

Sue

Bob Beckel is on Hannity's radio show. He is so angry. ::grin::

GMax

Sue

Is Beckel still spreading his manure about the Dream Ticket? I think he gets it now, aint gonna be no dream ticket, but Beckel does not mind spinning when he sees a Democrat advantage so I need to ask.

Appalled Moderate

I see we must return, briefly, to a dead thread. Here is Shelby Steele, psychoanalyzing from afar, in a way that even Dr Phil would envy:

The fact is that Barack Obama has fellow-traveled with a hate-filled, anti-American black nationalism all his adult life, failing to stand and challenge an ideology that would have no place for his own mother. And what portent of presidential judgment is it to have exposed his two daughters for their entire lives to what is, at the very least, a subtext of anti-white vitriol?

What could he have been thinking? Of course he wasn't thinking. He was driven by insecurity, by a need to "be black" despite his biracial background. And so fellow-traveling with a little race hatred seemed a small price to pay for a more secure racial identity.

boris -- how did Shelby Steele gain the right to become the omniscient narrator of the Obama story? This kind of novelistic crap has no place in an analysis of anything. Even biographers who try such stunts get hooted out of polite society. (Remember that absurd "official" biography of Reagan from a number of years back?)

Shelby Steele has a theory and good command of the language. (Sort of like Obama, when you think about it). But his mind reading act is silly, silly, silly.

Sue

GMax,

No. He is justifying Wright's rhetoric by beating up on a guy whose father is black and mother is white. He can't possibly understand what Wright went through. He isn't old enough to remember segregation. ::eye roll:: Yeah.

Sue

< a href=http://erikrush.com/>Erik Rush

The guy Beckel was screaming at.

Sue

I had that backwards. He is the child of a white father and black mother. He was born in 1961.

PeterUK

One question is troubling,does one half of BHO's genes spend all their time apologising to the other half?

MayBee

And, since grandmother is $2,500 donor to Obama's campaign, I find it unlikely there wasn't a conversation with granny before she appeared in Obama's speech.

This is a small point, but it is silly to assume that because Grandma donated (or someone donated in her name) to her Grandson's presidential campaign they talked about this specific point before she appeared in the speech.

OTOH, a grandma that loved and raised her grandson would obviously let him say anything about her he wanted to have a chance at POTUS. Whether he asked her in advance or not.
This isn't about her, it's about him.

Sue

http://newsbyus.com/more.php?id=7285_0_1_0_M>Here is Erik Rush's column, Obomination, which he wrote in February 2007. No one paid any attention to him then.

Ranger

AM,

Maybe Shelby Steele read Obama's autobiographies and is using Obama's own rendition of his story to analize his actions? That assumes that Obama told the truth in those books though, which is problematic given his track record so far.

boris

boris -- how did Shelby Steele gain the right to become the omniscient narrator

Hey, what right? What omniscience?

"He was driven by insecurity, by a need to "be black" despite his biracial background."

BHO himself claimed he rejected a white girlfriend because he didn't want to be absorbed into white culture. What is the matter with you? That is no more psychoanalysis than pointing out that you are an incurable scold.

Appalled Moderate

MayBee:

I find the converse assumption just as unlikely, too. Think this is likely just a partisan inkblot test (or maybe just a, what I would do in the same situation test). Neither of us really know what happened.

But the granny stuff, and much of the reaction to the speech brings this Obama passage to mind:

We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

MayBee

Thanks, Sue. The 8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness” would probably look like what Michelle Obama was saying to the women in South Carolina, eh?

boris

make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words

That isn't the only question, or even the main question. BHO has no frakkin clue why those words are offensive.

Again: Anger at Southern Democrats would be "understandable". Forgiving today's benefactor Democrat party is "understandable". What is not understandable or acceptable is forgiving the Democrat party while white liberals stand in the presence of Jeremia's rage nodding their heads and pointing their fingers at the rest of us.

MayBee

I said the granny thing was a small point.
Although it was his choice to use it to explain his thinking, which we don't really know.
You should know, however, that he is saying "this is a distraction" specifically because it isn't a distraction.
What is more important than knowing how our possible future president sees the country he wants to lead? What is more important than looking at the few clues he gives us to determine how he sees our place in the world?

MayBee

Talking about how he would have voted on Iraq is the distraction.

Sue

New bin Laden tape coming. Via drudge.

Pofarmer

Gee mo nellie. Listening to Hanity with Bob Beckel. Talk about your willing suspension of disbeleif. It's no wonder that nobody has covered this. St. BHO could never know and support the kinds of things that Rev. Wright was doing, never.

Whatever.

I can't beleive what people will delude themselves into thinking. And now Sean has tapes of a Rev Meeks, who also has some influence with Barack and is a State Senator. What is it with Illinois, anyway???

Appalling non moderate

I think the problem here, is that there's starting to be a pattern with Barack Hussein Obama. You probably don't care, but it bothers some of us alot.

It's not pertinent if he's surrounded himself with Anti-American Seperatist racists?????

Yeah, if I was him, or you, I wouldn't want people to be looking there, either.

It's all about the hope, It's all about the change. Yes, we, CANNNNNNN!!!!!!!

Whooopeeeeee.

Pofarmer

nodding their heads and pointing their fingers at the rest of us.

You're a bad, bad man boris.

Sue

And the is describing Wright's words as fiery and provocative. ::eye roll::

Sue

**Media** got left out of my post.

Sue

Hmmm...

The title of bin Laden's message...

"The Response Is What You See, Not What You Hear."

Pofarmer

This whole sorry episode is reminding why I nearly got a D in American History in College. I refused, as a young white guy, to take ownership of the failures of black society. I also refused, as a young white guy, to take responsibility for the failures of black society, by taking ownership of the failures of white society 150 years ago. We can all only take ownership of what we do or don't do, what we do or don't condone. Barack Hussein Obama needs to take ownership of who he is and what he beleives. He doesn't want to be judged by the actions of others, but he makes himself complicit in those actions in a variety of ways. Writing papers in contradiction to the professor, even when properly backed up, tends to get you low grades. It's a good think I'm a good test taker.

GMax

Hannity has got to be enjoying this, he was talking about Rev Wright months ago and no one wanted to pay attention. They are paying attention now.

Ranger

BHO himself claimed he rejected a white girlfriend because he didn't want to be absorbed into white culture.

Posted by: boris | March 19, 2008 at 04:52 PM

I am surprised this hasn't been given more attention. What would people say of a white man who admitted he walked away from a romantic relationship with a woman of color as a young man specificly because of her race?

anduril

Fascinating observations on Obama and Wright at Best of the Web today:

Pulpit Bullies
By JAMES TARANTO
March 19, 2008

When Barack Obama yesterday condemned the most invidious remarks of his "spiritual mentor," Jeremiah Wright, National Review's Byron York was there. The auditorium at Philadelphia's National Constitution Center, York reports, "was filled mostly with guests invited by the Obama campaign." Unsurprisingly, they "thought he delivered a great speech." Disturbingly, several whom York interviewed didn't understand all the fuss about Wright:

"It was amazing," Gregory Davis, a financial adviser and Obama supporter from Philadelphia, told me. "I think he addressed the issue, and if that does not address the issue, I don't know what else can be said about it. That was just awesome oratory."

I asked Davis what his personal reaction was when he saw video clips of sermons in which Rev. Wright said, "God damn America," called the United States the "U.S. of KKK A," and said that 9/11 was "America's chickens . . . coming home to roost." "As a member of a traditional Baptist, black church, I wasn't surprised," Davis told me. "I wasn't offended by anything the pastor said. A lot of things he said were absolutely correct. . . . The way he said it may not have been the most appropriate way to say it, but as far as a typical black inner-city church, that's how it's said."

Vernon Price, a ward leader in Philadelphia's 22nd Precinct, told me Obama's speech was "very courageous." When I asked his reaction to Rev. Wright, Price said, "A lot of things that he said were true, whether people want to accept it, or believe it, or not. People believe in their hearts that a lot of what he said was true."

Newsweek's Lisa Miller reports on WashingtonPost.com that black religious leaders take a similar tack:

Last Friday, in an effort to gauge just how "out there" Wright's sermons are in the context of the African-American church tradition, Newsweek phoned at least two dozen of the country's most prominent and thoughtful African-American scholars and pastors, representing a wide range of denominations and points of view. Not one person would say that Wright had crossed any kind of significant line.

Sue

Obama's Kenyan grandfather wrote a letter to his white grandparents upset that his son was mixing the Obama bloodline with the white race. Obama has issues. I don't want or need them in the White House.

GMax

What would people say of a white man who admitted he walked away from a romantic relationship with a woman of color as a young man specificly because of her race?

You are missing a key bit of info. Is he Democrat or one of those hated Republicans? And would he be carrying a banner about Hope, Change and Free Cotton Candy? Cant give you an answer until we have all the boxes checked.

Anon

Wait Obama is The Third Coming so it's an allegory.

Wright is his base.

Geraldine Ferraro is Judas, and-

Grandma is Hillary.

Anon

I think we're the mustard sandwiches...

Sue

Poor grandma...

bgates

I don't expect a conservative to vote for a liberal or like what he's saying.
K. Then you can choose not to vote for him because - unlike Russ Feingold, Evan Bayh, or even Jimmy Carter, all liberals who I won't vote for - Obama is a typical Chicago machine politician.
I will say I find the "grandmother" gambit beyond petty.
Petty isn't the half of it. He arguably owed her some measure of loyalty as a blood relative - he seems to think his Kenyan family are owed as much. He unquestionably owes her for her sacrifice on her behalf. And I would say he owes her a certain level of decency simply as a fellow human being. Instead, he said unflattering things about a defenseless old woman to score political points.
And, since grandmother is $2,500 donor to Obama's campaign, I find it unlikely there wasn't a conversation
Is Obama equally anxious to avoid displeasing other, bigger donors *cough*Rezko*cough*?

Jane

If it's reported correctly from people who read his books Obama always has seemed more devoted to the African side of his family than the American side. His father left him, and his mother raised him as a single parent yet his loyalty and faith seems to be reserved for the absent father.

That's just weird. I was raised by a single parent. My father left when I was 7. My mother never spoke ill of him altho he refused to pay child support and had no contact with us at all. I'm telling you right now, on the loyalty scale there is no comparison. My father was a complete stranger to me. When he died I attended the funeral of a stranger. As I got older I expected that when my father died I'd be overcome with some huge pent up feelings of loss. I felt nothing - certainly not anger and definitely not love. It was an interesting experience but not emotional in the least.

Maybe Obama's connection was based on race, but I find it very hard to believe he had genuine feelings about a man he hadn't known ever.

clarice

It is a strange reaction, isn't it Jane? OTOH his only real father substitute was his grandfather who sounds like a perfect ass.

hit and run

Q: What do you call an imbroglio wherein a presidential canidate has his campaign derailed by his pastor who described 9/11 as "chickens coming home to roost"?

hit and run

A: A clucker fust


ba da bump.

sorry.

The wine's just now kicking in.

Jane

OTOH his only real father substitute was his grandfather who sounds like a perfect ass

Still why the idolization? Someone who abandons their family could also easily be called a "perfect ass".

Maybe it's a guy thing.

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