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March 20, 2008

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Neo

Values spoken without actions taken are just slogans. Values are not just words. They're what we live by. They're about the causes we champion and the people we fight for. -- John Kerry

section9

Hole. Shovel. Stop digging.

Rick Ballard

Hole. Shovel.

Go BHO, go!!

Take RW with you.

Laurent Fourier

Obama threw his still-living 80-year old grandmother under the bus for his campaign...How's that for narcissism?

SteveMG

The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way.

Poor choice of words, to be sure; and when you're playing in the big leagues, he should be knocked around for it.

But where is he wrong?

If I'm in a strange area and I see young black men approaching me that I don't know, I'll check out an escape route if one is needed.

Of course, if it's young males of any race, I'll be just as cautious.

And I'm 6'4 and 225 pounds.


clarice

Not just any grandmother--a grandmother who worked to provide for him and get him the best education possible after his father abandoned him and his mother decided that studying peasant blacksmithing in ndonesia trumped the obligations of motherhood.

Porchlight

I read a Freeper comment today about Obama's speech - the person compared it to catching your kid with his hand in the cookie jar, and then he starts lecturing you on how cookies are fattening. I thought that was pretty good.

anduril

Best of the Web today comments on Obama and the American flag: seems he tried to conceal himself amid a veritable forest of flags when he gave his disquisition on race (yes, I know that's supposed to mean it's in writing, but it somehow catches the tone, I think):

But did anyone notice that when Obama gave his "major speech on race" Tuesday--the one necessitated by the revelation that his "spiritual mentor" had, among other things, called on God to "damn America"--he did so amid a row of American flags? We checked the video and counted eight of them, of which four are visible in the photo nearby.

Obama, of course, famously won't wear a flag lapel pin because he's a true patriot who doesn't have to "hide behind" the flag. Except when he has a special need?

bgates

Steve - he would have stopped digging the hole if he had said grandma had a typical human response. But he didn't say that tendency towards something that looks like (but isn't, somehow) racial animosity is something we all share, he said it's (yet another horrible) characteristic of white people.

Even then, he'd be the guy who pushed race relations back 50 years. Rosa Parks was made to sit in the back of the bus, but nobody ever threw her underneath it.

MayBee

But where is he wrong?

I think he is wrong in characterizing it as a "typical white" person response if he means that it is a human response.

Furthermore, he is wrong to characterize it as bad, if that is what he is doing. There is nothing wrong with being nervous if you see someone you don't know approaching you (in certain circumstances).

hit and run

Thanks for the link TM!

PeterUK

"They're about the causes we champion and the people we fight for. -- John Kerry"

He's not supporting the Viet Cong again is he?

Rick Ballard

"My resentment is building right now."

Careful, TM. Such resentment may be an initial indicator of FauxBOloneyphobia. It's still seven months (and two weeks) 'til the election. Do you have any idea how much FauxBOloney will be forthcoming over seven months?

Besides - why resent a caricature?

Tom Maguire

Where is he wrong - that it is only whites, and that "...it comes out **in the wrong way**."

PeterUK

"Rosa Parks was made to sit in the back of the bus, but nobody ever threw her underneath it."


Nice one!

PeterUK

"I think he is wrong in characterizing it as a "typical white" person response if he means that it is a human response."

So am I getting the BHO message right,if he sees a black man on the street half of him wants to run? Presumably when he sees a white man the other half wants to run?
He is completely knackered if he runs into a black man and a white man walking together.

SteveMG

Where is he wrong - that it is only whites, and that "...it comes out **in the wrong way**."

Tom, you're aware of the racial minefield that we all walk through when we discuss race. It's dangerous ground that none of us enjoy (I don't) walking.

It seems to me that we all need to be a little more charitable when we discuss this issue. Perhaps less for presidential candidates; but still...

He didn't say "only whites". You're taking his comment and extrapolating from that.

Again: If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way.

"Someone she doesn't know" and "it comes out in the wrong way." To me, the "wrong way" means that her behavior is incorrectly viewed as racist or racialist when it isn't.

He is admitting - again conjecture on my part - that the reaction by the woman is not unfair.

We'll never get anywhere discussing race if every time one uses the wrong words or doesn't precisely qualify his statements they're jumped upon.

And as you know, I've been a McCain man for years.


kim

What if he runs into someone who is white on the outside and black on the inside.

Didn't I tell you it would be a lot easier to ridicule Obama than Hillary?
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PaulL

At least Obama didn't say the typical white person, like Bernhard Goetz . . .

JeanneB

I would be nervous if, walking down the street, I encountered a young black man I knew had just listened to one of Reverend Wright's sermons!

MayBee

SteveMG- are you saying he is now explaining that the characterization of his grandma he gave in his speech was an unfair characterization?

If you tie this story to his speech,then her behavior coming out in the
"wrong way" is her admitting she is sometimes afraid of black men that approach her. The wrong way is to be afraid of the black man.

MayBee

SteveMG-
From his speech, this is what he is saying is the "wrong way":
but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street,

having the fear is the wrong way.

SteveMG

are you saying he is now explaining that the characterization of his grandma he gave in his speech was an unfair characterization?

To be blunt, I'm not sure what he is saying here. Despite all of the talk of his great eloquence, he's clearly not as good withouth the teleprompter and prepared speeches.

In his earlier address, he stated that she harbored fears of black strangers passing her on the street and also that she expressed racial stereotypes.

Here I think he is simply (or not so simply) trying to use a white anecdote as a point to jump off on about race in general.

Obama, to me, is simply not a race hustler. He's a distinctly different black American than the post Civil Rights generation of the Jacksons and other terribly misguided people.

And as such, I'm more charitable, shall we say, when he uses anecdotes like this.


pagar

IMO He never quit.
"He's not supporting the Viet Cong again is he?"

GMax

Not as good you say? a bit of a understatement "Typical white person".

If we call him a typical black person how long before the infestation arrives?

SteveMG

Typical white person

By "typical" I think he meant "ordinary" or "average" and not "all" or "most".

If we substitute "average" for "typical", the sentence is less jarring.

Sorry, I just don't see the maliciousness, if you will, in the word that others do.

PeterUK

Interestingly Obama's grandmother wasn't frightened of him.The ungrateful little sod.

Colleen R

Last night on Mark Levin's radio show, he claimed that in Obama's first book, he told of his grandmother harboring a fear of a black man because she had been assaulted in a bus station at one time.

Enlightened

He is an abject idiot if he doesn't know that most grandmothers, or other persons- racial demographic unknown or even required- that encounter strangers are going to profile the strangers to determine the risk factor to their person. Tha does not make them prejudiced it makes them smart.

If his grandmother were BLACK she would not be in the frikkin speech. He sure as sh-t did not infer that his own wife will profile a stranger she encounters. She does, and if she says she doesn't she is a liar.

Very few people have the gift of knowing in advance who or what a stranger is about. The only reason he used his own grandmother in this scenario was to advance the racism credo of Rev Wright and assuage it by hitching himself to his perception of the typical white person, a grandmother no less.

Jane

Something very politically incorrect just occurred to me while reading the comments - (so what else is new?). So let's say a white woman walks down the street and sees a black man and he makes her nervous. Could it possibly be due to past experience? How about soaring black crime rates? Is it possible a white woman could come by her fear honestly?

Or is that completely impossible in this world we live in?

(This of course reminds me of my favorite You Tube video. A black hiphop type kid goes into a 7-11 and starts lurking around, touching stuff, looking scary.

Simultaniously an elderly white woman goes into the same store. While the entire staff is focused on the kid, wondering if they are about to be held up, the old lady stuffs a bunch of stuff in her purse, and leaves without paying. The kid then selects and purchases a bottle of water.

tonynoboloney

That line speaks for itself.
Typical white person
typical black person
typical woman
typical man
typical Arab
typical Jew
typical Christian
everyone of these are crass generalizations and ALL are offensive to their prospective target.

What I really resent is that the Dems and the MSM along with Obama has turned this election into a referendum on race.

davod

I would suggest that in certain areas black grandmothers would harbour a fear of a black man coming towards them.

Colleen R

I am also suspicious of the fact that although Obama claims that his grandmother loves him more than anything, he professes no love for her, only cringing.

hit and run

Oh, I agree that Obama misspoke with the "typical white" language.

He was trying to rescue himself from the accusation that granny was lying under the tread of a Goodyear Unisteel® G149 RSA, after he mercilessly tossed her there.

Of course, he should have been rescuing granny, but hey, first things first.

Whether intentional or not, and I am fine saying that it was unintentional, he left her down there and pinned and ended up trying to shove the rest of us under there.

He didn't mean it. Give him a break.

At least give him a break equal to the one his campaign gives to anyone who uses any reference to color, even if referring to the sky.

MayBee

Obama, to me, is simply not a race hustler. He's a distinctly different black American than the post Civil Rights generation of the Jacksons and other terribly misguided people.

I don't think he's a race hustler at all. At the same time, I think it is perfectly possible he thinks the story he told about his grandmother reflects "typical" white racism.

boris

just don't see the maliciousness ...

It's a slip that plays into the notion that white people have a special obligation to set aside their human nature because of past transgressions of the race. Kinda like losing one's lecense to drive because of moving violations. White people lost their license to human nature.

Not only is this stinky carp from the white POV, it also is damaging to any and all who espouse it.

Charlie (Colorado)

He was trying to rescue himself from the accusation that granny was lying under the tread of a Goodyear Unisteel® G149 RSA, after he mercilessly tossed her there.

Precision is the soul of humor.

hit and run

Obama thinks he can "negotiate" whites into agreeing that his way is right and that we will ultimately agree with him -- even if it means accepting things about ourselves that just simply are not true.

Right. Like we whites are some pushovers like Ahmadinejad.

Enlightened

I don't think he thinks his grandmother reflects a typical white person. I think he has had 20 years of sermons in which he has digested what the typical white person really is. He used his grandmother to belie that fact to a swiftly sinking voter pool.

Is he a race hustler? Not yet. Sharpton and Jackson will teach him the ropes when he loses - they been there, done that.

Rick Ballard

I wonder if his other granny has a "typical Luo" reaction when she sees a Kikuyu? Sure, a Kikuyu is a bit more acceptable than those damned Kalenjin, but how's a granny to know for sure? What if he's Mau Mau? Better to stay away, cross the street...

Pofarmer

Obama, to me, is simply not a race hustler. He's a distinctly different black American than the post Civil Rights generation of the Jacksons and other terribly misguided people.

Then what about Wright? What about Meeks? What about working for ACORN? What about Rezko? What about his wife? What about his words?

He's as typical as they come.

Foo Bar

What Obama said:

If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society

TM's characterization:

So where are we - the "typical" white person reacts the wrong way when they see a black person on the street?

In what Obama said, there's a distinction between judging the reaction (i.e. what is in someone's heart) and noting that it comes out the wrong way when verbalized.

Foo Bar

Also there's a discrepancy between the excerpt as presented in TM's post and the actual quote if you follow the link. I'll assume it changed underneath TM, but he should update it nonetheless.

TM's excerpt:

If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way."

If you follow the link:

If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way
MayBee

FooBar-
According to his speech, her reaction was to have a " fear of black men who passed by her on the street,".

This is what he is saying is wrong.
Are you trying to make the case that it was her verbalizing that fear that he finds so wrong?

LogicalSC

"By "typical" I think he meant "ordinary" or "average" and not "all" or "most".
If we substitute "average" for "typical", the sentence is less jarring.
Sorry, I just don't see the maliciousness, if you will, in the word that others do."
Posted by: SteveMG

Stop digging before you hit China..

This nonsense is why a non-entity empty suit like Obama is about to claim the Democratic party nomination and they know nothing about him.

He says something...and here you come trying to tell people what you heard which isn't even close to what he said. Explains why idiots can listen to him say "change" and suddenly he has addressed and solved every issue in the universe.

If he is so eloquent and a great communicator like the gushing Matthews and Sullivan climaxed over, then why did you have to just spend an hour to explain to everyone what he really meant.

If you can't see Obama for what he is by now, then you have drunk the "kool-aide".
Everything known aspect of his life from his mother, wife, associates and "pastor" is screaming anti-American racist but you continue to hear George Washington.

Uncle Pinky

Seems like these transcripts left out part of it:

Transcript from Philly.com, which I had to correct. They missed the "bred into her experiences" part.

"The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity," he said. "But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know. . .there's a reaction that's been bred into her experiences that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way."

From ace, of course.

I don't like how that little bit is being left out.

hit and run

Charlie:
Precision is the soul of humor.

But only Obama can save our souls.

MikeS

I'm a white man in my 50s.
I don't think I've never met a typical white person.

Obama, with his unique understanding of America's problems, has done what no white man could have done. He has managed to make Hillary look good.

Enlightened

If you take the whole grandmother anecdote out of the speech - he remains a presidential candidate that has a spiritual advisor that is incredibly filled with hatred of white persons. Not an ideal situation, but not insurmountable.

He needed a sympathetic white person that really doesn't mean any harm to balance out the hated whitey of Rev. Wright.

It was a calculated political move. It did not come from the heart, and it was not delivered by a Messiah.

I don't think Barack hates me because I'm a white woman - but I know damn well Hillary hates me because I'm a white woman and potentially a Bubba target. So IMO - she is still the loser and must.be.destroyed.

boris

there's a reaction that's been bred into her experiences

OMG, the poor old thing was brainwashed by US of KKK A.

Pofarmer

If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way

And that is supposed to make me feel BETTER?

Uncle Pinky

I see that Foo Bar got there before me. Odd, I did a cntrl F for "bred" and didn't get anything. Oh, well. Mr. Bar is also correct that it is "...our experiences that don't go away..."

Not only do I not like how it is being left out, I don't like the grammar.

PeterUK

"Obama, with his unique understanding of America's problems, has done what no white man could have done. He has managed to make Hillary look good."

It's early days yet,give her time,she has the talent.
Meanwhile McCain,schtum!

Uncle Pinky

italico!

Jane

He has managed to make Hillary look good.

Not that good: (via Don Surber; link under my name)

Valerie Plame’s husband criticizes Obama on national security.

boris

Italiacto!

Sue

Stop digging before you hit China..

You might try your own advice. I doubt Steve has been drinking anyone's koolaid.

Enlightened

So, his grandmother helped raise him. Were her "bred into her experiences" sermons comparable to the Rev. Wright? Most parents, or mentors, or influences in our lives sermonize to us from day one.

So - her sermons, or life discussions, or experienced lectures, did they indicate a hatred for blacks? Did he take her counsel and decide her experiences were not what he's about, so he signed up for some Rev. Wright?

So to change how granny feels about strange black men, he opted for the Rev. Wrights POV? And he threw granny under the bus, but not Rev Wright. There's a disconnect there.

Rick Ballard

Boris,

Nope. "Brainwashed" doesn't work with "bred". Whitey is born (after having been bred) that way - nothin' to be done about it. BHO is an acclaimed master of rhetoric so you have to use the most precise understanding of each word (vide parsing above by FooBar). That's why "the "typical" white person reacts the wrong way".

Poor breeding.

SteveMG

Everything known aspect of his life from his mother, wife, associates and "pastor" is screaming anti-American racist but you continue to hear George Washington.

Obama so hates America that he wants to be the President of it? How does that make sense?

Please tell me you're from Balloon Juice?

boris

Rick,

Having the US of KKK A breeding with grandma isn't the metaphor I was going for.

The phrase "bred into her experience" is nonsense unless one allows meaning substitution for "bred" to be some equivalent wrt experience, and involuntary mental programming is somewhat akin to brainwashing as the term is commonly used.

Enlightened

Well, I guess one of the intrepid MSM droolers could politely ask Obama to explain the distinction between a typical black person and a typical white person.

My guess is that question is not in the MSM playbook.

SteveMG

I don't think Obama is a black Lincoln.

But neither do I view him as a slicker Eldridge Cleaver.

Either characterizations is, frankly, absurd.

Foo Bar

Maybee:

What he said">http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/18/obama.transcript/index.html">said was:

a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

If you're trying to find the most anti-Obama interpretation of that, you can argue that he said that the fear itself is wrong. If you're willing to be a little more charitable and take him at his word when he elaborated (i.e. "sometimes come out in the wrong way") in the interview discussed in TM's post, then what he's saying is that the manner in which she confessed the fear was wrong.

Pofarmer

Obama so hates America that he wants to be the President of it? How does that make sense?

C'mon Steve, are you really this dense?

Sue

I think Obama has serious issues with himself. He was a bi-racial child, born in the 60s. That couldnt' have been easy. And that his grandmother, a product of an era that would have been raised, or even bred, if he wants to use that word, to think that was a no-no to have taken him and loved him and nurtured him says more about her than him. IMO, of course.

boris

IMO obama is "passing for" black.

Pofarmer

then what he's saying is that the manner in which she confessed the fear was wrong.

Ahhhh, Granny should have been more careful with her words around her grandson.

Sue

Ahhhh, Granny should have been more careful with her words around her grandson.

If he is referring to the incident in his book, his grandfather should have been more careful with his words, not granny.

boris

then what he's saying is that the manner in which she confessed the fear was wrong ...

Not quite. What he is saying is that (legitimate) apprehension regarding black men expressed itself as uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes.

It was grandpa who made the connection that her fear of riding the bus was more about the race of the aggressive panhandler than his aggression. TYPICAL liberal mushy headed carp.

Pofarmer

If he is referring to the incident in his book, his grandfather should have been more careful with his words, not granny.

Anybody got an excerpt?? I ain't buyin that book.

Enlightened

I think Obama was fine being bi-racial until he met a very militant black woman.

SteveMG

C'mon Steve, are you really this dense?

The poster above said that Obama was a throughly black racist anti-American radical aligned with Rev. Wright.

You seriously think someone who views this country as so thoroughly corrupt and malevolent, so irredeemably unjust, would want to lead it?

I sure don't.

Thomas Collins

Anyone still think that B_O is tougher for Johnny Mac to beat than HRC?

Rick Ballard

"The phrase "bred into her experience" is nonsense"

Hmmm... - PowerLine has the quote as

“The point I was making was not that my Grandmother harbors any racial animosity; she doesn’t. But she is a typical White person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doeesn’t know, you know, there’s a reaction inbred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”

I suppose you're right, Boris. Based upon that PowerLine quote I'd have to say that BHO's mastery of rhetoric has been... oversold? Perhaps someone could explain the connotations concerning "bred" and "inbred" to him.

PeterUK

"I don't think Obama is a black Lincoln."

There is some European socialist in him,perhaps he is a Lincoln Continental?

Sue

You seriously think someone who views this country as so thoroughly corrupt and malevolent, so irredeemably unjust, would want to lead it?

Not a good example, Steve. All I could think of was Clinton when I read that. And the answer is yes.

Pofarmer

You seriously think someone who views this country as so thoroughly corrupt and malevolent, so irredeemably unjust, would want to lead it?

I sure don't.

Obviously you haven't been listening to all the changey hope and hopey change rhetoric. Just exactly was he "hoping" to "change" anyway??????

What better way to change it than to run for President??!!!!

Enlightened

You seriously think someone who views this country as so thoroughly corrupt and malevolent, so irredeemably unjust, would want to lead it?

Posted by: SteveMG | March 20, 2008 at 08:17 PM


Steve - his message is CHANGE. Of course he wants to run the country. He is being sold as the first Black President. You think he DOESN'T want that? That's quite naive actually.

boris

BHO shoulda said: "if she sees somebody on the street that she doeesn’t know, you know, there’s a reaction inherent in human nature that's not going away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society"

PeterUK

"You seriously think someone who views this country as so thoroughly corrupt and malevolent, so irredeemably unjust, would want to lead it?"

Obama reminds me of Tony Blair,he wanted to lead the country and turn it into a socialist paradise,what we got was a crock.

SteveMG

What better way to change it than to run for President??!!!!

The President of the US can single handedly overturn all of the institutions of the country? Obama understands the limits of the powers of the Presidency.

A person who views a country as thoroughly corrupt and malevolent would want to overthrow the existing government; not run it.

Who wants to run an irredeemably unjust regime?

Historically, what have figures who viewed the existing regimes as unjust done?

Overthrow it? Yes. Remove it? Yes.

But not run it.

MayBee

I think Obama grew up hearing from his well-meaning Grandfather and his well-meaning communist friend/mentor that white people don't like black people.
I think that's why he sought out the church he did.
I think he has lived long enough to know that simply isn't the case, but he also needs the people in his church that are still listening to that same dreck to vote for him. He also still needs the liberal white people who love white-people-are-racist pornography to vote for him.
So politically, he can't say all white people aren't racist. He says instead (today) that white people like his Grandma do racist things even though they don't mean to.
Just like Rev Wright.

Enlightened

Well then, I guess he should have shitcanned his spiritual mentor long before he decided he wanted to run this country -

Soylent Red

Someone of you may have already beat me to it but...

The word "typical" is, to me anyway,a ominous look into His real attitudes.

Obamessiah makes his living with words. That's really all he has going for him. He also is well aware that words mean things, but not always the same things to different groups of people. So to make such an error suggests that this word, in its usage, was done casually or carelessly.

"Typical" suggests a norm or a standard. Thus, as enlightened has alluded, to use it as an adjective for a group of people is dangerous for a politician. When that group of people is a racial group, it's suicidal.

So, understanding all of the aforementioned, Obamessiah would only use such a word if it was deeply connected to the way he thought, and only if he was not aware of how it would be received.

In the end, the Great Racial Healer is so entrenched in notions of racial difference that he cannot hear himself through the ears of whitey any more. He is completely disconnected from what anyone but a breast-beating white liberal or a drum-beating black nationalist thinks.

So any of His concepts of racial reconciliation start from a POV that whites fall into a group based on a shared "racism", based on:

a. that group, whether overtly responsible or not, behaves in a "typical" manner toward blacks

b. that "typical" manner is "racist"

In other words, Obamessiah's default position is that whitey is the problem, whether he knows it or not. As a white guy, this does not give me much comfort that I will be fairly represented on matters of race by Him.

Uncle Pinky

Just listened to it again and it's "... reaction that's been bred..." as far as I can tell.

However these speakers have all the fidelity of a NY governor so what the hell do I know?

hit and run

Obama in the (extemporaneous) interview said:
The point I was making was not that my Grandmother harbors any racial animosity; she doesn’t.

Depends on what the definition of animosity is, I suppose.

Because Obama in his (finely crafted, much rehearsed) speech said:
on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe

Stereotypes can be animositiless, of course.

"Black men have huge [REDACTED]s.

Who wouldn't cringe if their grandmother said that about strapping young brothas?

MayBee

Jane- thanks for the Joe Wilson link.
His praise of Clinton's experience for some reason always resembles what it might look like if someone were to praise Joe's own experience in the guise of praising Hillary's.

pagar

"Valerie Plame’s husband criticizes Obama on national security." That has to be the pot calling the kettle -----. Sorry, according to the new PC rules I can't say that word.

narciso

"Flaming Skulls Alert; as Ace would say, two people in the State Department, have
accessed Osama's passport. Seriously how
does NBC make money, with the delusional
rantings of Keith "Beale" Olberman. In other
news, no references to Wilson's War Industry
Board, the Creel (Propaganda)Commission, jailing a presidential candidate and former
labor leader, FDR trying Nazi sympathizers, Truman drafting strikers into the Army. Perspective alert!!!

SteveMG

Oh great, all we need now is Joe Wilson and his wife commenting on this.

I thought they were so scarred and hurt by what the Bush White House had done that they had to retire from the public scene.

Quick healers I guess.

Sue

Wow. Drudge is busy tonight. President (Clinton) and the Rev. Wright. Being teased...

Enlightened

Mrs. Obama's husband is a typical, pandering politician.

He used granny to assuage any raised hackles about the Rev Wright. And then he quantifies that anecdote by denying she is racist.

So granny had been bred to have racist thoughts about black strangers, but is not racist.

I go back to what I originally stated - he used a sympathetic white persona to pander to the anti-Wright crowd, and a sentence or two later disavowed he ever called his own granny racist.

Pretzel logic - doesn't matter if it's uttered by a black or white person.

Uncle Pinky

Look for more of the Wilson/Plame foolishness with Scooter disbarred. I'm sure it got their blood up.

PeterUK

Hearing the words "bred into" conjures up picture of Soviet re-education camps,the quest for "New Soviet Man" and all the other delights of Marxist/Darwinism.

Ranger

Well, I think the "bred" or "inbred" comment is a very insightful one into how Obama views things. I think he is using the term more in the sense of raised or socialized. Its illuminative because it shows that he sees the way to change people is by changing society. Rev. Wright can't be condemed because he was shaped by society. His grandmother can't be condemed because she is a product of society. He sees "change" being accomplished by chaning society, and then people will be changed.

Perosonally, I think he has it completely backwards. You don't change people by changing society, you change society by changing people.

RichatUF

MayBee-

He says instead (today) that white people like his Grandma do racist things even though they don't mean to.

Interesting point, sort of like a racial interperation of false consciousness-which doubles back to his Black Liberation Theology "church".

Enlightened

Well, what I see from these recent speeches and gaffes, is a man that believed his own hype as the New Messiah.

Now he's faltering and backpedaling and sounding more Clintonian by the minute. I still want him to beat Hillary (she.who.must.be.destroyed)- I just wish his handlers, or himself or whoever is running his campaign would bring him down a few notches and let him relish the fact he is not the Messiah. Then re-group, leave granny alone, stop kissing the Rev Wrights ass, and move forward.

boris

I prefer that Obama's defeat come from Hillary.

SteveMG

I still stand by my (gradually weakening) point that someone who views America as institutionally and structurally unjust, as historically malevolent, as irredeemably unfair, would never want to be its President.

There.

And thanks for all of those allies coming to my rescue.

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