Probably Too Late, But...

It is probably too late to help Hillary (and too early to help McCain) but this Saturday Night Live bashing of the media in Democratic Debate #2 is very funny.  And Hillary comes across as funny and likable in the follow-up editorial response - the miracle of television.

Here is a bonus - a few days back the Times blog had a very nice story about Hillary getting behind the counter and working as a waitress for a few minutes.

If this new, friendlier coverage is simply eulogizing for her campaign, fine.  But if she is still on her feet after Tuesday, the press will be happy to take up a new story line about Hillary as the Comeback Queen with gritty resilience, while simultaneously congratulating themselves for  moving past adulation and finally asking Obama some tough questions.

MORE:  Pressure on Hillary to quit?  Nonsense - she can't quit just as the Rezko trial opens, although I see why Barack's side would want her to - Keep Hope Alive!

REVVING UP:  St. Patrick Fitzgerald is the US Attorney going after Rezko, so we know the prosecution side is all good, at least as far as Dems are concerned.  Some background on the case: (a) it's a bipartisan mess; (b) a brief Rezko bio; and (c) the indictment (65 page .pdf)

Comments

[clarice]

You bet.

Just as Fenton COmmunications has a red phone line to CBS' 60 minutes; Hill's campaign seems to have one to SNL because today is the day (using Shorenstein and D Feinstein Hill begins theme # 467--the press are all sexist pigs who've been unfair to Hill.

[MayBee]

Hillary seemed like a real person on SNL. Too bad (for Hillary) that she's never been able to show that very natural side of her to the public. She's had 16 years to do it, too.

[MayBee]

Did you hear the cheers my Rudy got?

Rudy.

[Cecil Turner]

That debate skit was hilarious. Thanks for the link.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Heh.

When Huckabee was on, I mailed a link to a mailing list that has some of my most reliable moonbat friends, and got this response:

So the message to the world is, "we have a Global War on Terrorism, a barely-controlled civil war in Iraq, Afghanistan falling apart (again), a financial crisis that could well hit real estate so hard that it wipes out 25% of the personal wealth in the USA, the Constitution shredded by a bunch of megalomaniacs, and global warming just around the corner, and Americans are taking this election so seriously that one of the major party candidates is treating it as an SNL sketch."

I just posted a link to this on the same mailing list. I'm looking forward to seeing the reaction.

[sylvia]

"It is probably too late to help Hillary "

Yes I saw Dick Morris on TV recently and he was making fun of Hillary using the mantra of "experience", but he wouldn't say what she should use instead.

I agree with him. Anyone who uses that line and has basically the same experience as her opponent (both recent Senators) is too clueless to be President. Well she couldn't take "change" because that one was taken. So instead, she should have sold herself as the candidate who will get "results". Or the "action candidate". Not just the candidate with nice talk, but the one who can take the time to get the details right and make it work. And then finish, "and you know, the devil is in the details people!"

I don't know why her "professional" consultants couldn't come up with something like this.

[MayBee]

Charlie, heh.
Obama had already been on SNL this year as well.
Let us know the response.

[DubiousD]

Any opinions over whether the Anthony Pellicano trial could cause even more headaches for Hillary, as if she didn't have enough to worry about alread?

[clarice]

Aside from shutting up the women her husband had assaulted, what results did Hill produce on anything?

[sylvia]

I was just thinking about who told Hillary to use "experience" and I just had a thought that Bill maybe told her to use that, because his ego really thinks that he is the one running instead of her, and he thinks that everyone deep down knows that. I then had a further conspiracy thought that Bill told her to use "experience" because he knows it won't work and he really wants Hilary to lose so he can go back to womanizing in private.

[paul]

Saw a mention of Patrick Fitzgerald in relation to investigating Blagojevich.

Does anyone know if he is doing any work on the rezko trial?

Wouldn't that be a case of poetic justice.

Kinda surprised that the press has gone blank on it. Usually they like to out ahead of the week, prepping people for what may occur.

You would think that the potential implications for Obama are staggering, but no one wants to connect them.

[Chris]

Paul,
My understanding (based upon what I've read here) is that Fitz is the prosecutor for Rezko. Will be interesting to see how he is portrayed. Cue tar and feathers in 3, 2, 1...

[sylvia]

Well you have a point Clarice. Results are debatable too. Still, apparently the people of New York seem to be happy with her and she can talk about the good things she did for them. Or she can try "action" not words then. Or maybe the candidate with the "details". If she were feeling negative, she could point out all the world leaders who were good at talking, (without naming Chavez, Ajad, gosh even Hitler and Mussolini) and enthralled their people with great talk of "change" before they got into office, but then gave people the changes they didn't really want so much.

So she could say talk of change is good, but where is the plan? Where are the details? I'm the one who is going to tell you the plan, and I'm the one who you know is going to work hard for you to make it happen.

[Elliott]

I predict that Fitzgerald won't say, "There is a cloud over Barack's candidacy."

[maryrose]

Hil's whole premise that SHE is the only one who can take on the presidential mantle is so much BS. McCain and Obama also qualify. Her own consultants when asked by Dickerson of Slate what"crisis has she had to respond to?" couldn't come up with one. The only thing she is proficient at is quelling "bimbo eruptions" and alienating people as well as lying under oath. Even Ray the prosecutor said she is a shady character. I just wish these dumb needy women supporting her weren't amnesiacs as well .The fact that she has come this far astounds me. I will do all I can in the current dead-heat Ohio race to derail her. Last night Obama was in my brother's neighborhood of Parma Hts at my niece's former high school Valley Forge. The mostly white suburban crowd were cheering enthusiastically throughout the evening.

[MayBee]

HA!

[PeterUK]

Too late to help Hillary

[PeterUK]

"And Hillary comes across as funny and likable in the follow-up editorial response".

Amazing what can be done with modern technology. Someone will leak the name of the computer animation studio,

[kim]

Say, that's some hay, kid.
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[Syl]

Is there anyone, anyone at all, in our crowd besides me who finds this piling on of Hate For Hillary a bit over the top? I dislike her policies, but I don't hate her. I think she'd be better at foreign policy than Obama, which isn't saying much to be sure, but if we're fated to lose in November, and we very well may because of the hatred for McCain, then I'd much rather have her at the helm.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately and watching the news, reading articles, and reading comment sections all over the blogosphere through that lens. And what I've seen is not very attractive. The MSM is against her, the left blogosphere is almost all Obama except for a couple desert islands, and the right is full of hate and mockery.

Here I thought conservatives prided themselves on their logical thinking and principles but that's not what I'm seeing when it comes to Hillary--it's all raw emotion.

Now, I think emotion is valid, but it's ironic coming from those who poo-poo it in everyone else.

Okay, I know I'll be on everyone's sh*tlist again. I'm willing to take my licks and I'll still love you all.

[clarice]

I don't like her. I think she's a masterful liar and manipulator and that she's full of it as well. But she probably would be slightly better on foreign affairs than O would be, Syl.
The problem with both Dem candidates is that we are dealing with folks with no well-articulated or likely to keep if articulated principles.

[PeterUK]

If the dog bares its teeth and the cat's hair stands on end,it is probably better to go with instinct.

[hit and run]

Syl:
Okay, I know I'll be on everyone's sh*tlist again. I'm willing to take my licks and I'll still love you all.

No. I agree with you. I've bellowed my banal bromides of beat back Barack bullhorn blusterisms as loudly as I can.

[MayBee]

Here I thought conservatives prided themselves on their logical thinking and principles but that's not what I'm seeing when it comes to Hillary--it's all raw emotion.

I think she's been a liar and manipulator since she first said, "I'm not a little stand by your man woman" in regards to Gennifer Flowers, right through the FBI files found in the WH basement, the weird investigation of her BFF Vince Foster's office, the Rose Law Firm billing records, the cattle futures, the VRWC, and now her heretofore undisclosed secret distaste for NAFTA.

It isn't emotion, she has simply never done anything to prove herself to be anything other than manipulative.
I could grin and bear her being in the office because here policies are not always that bad, but I think having both her and Bill will be an utter clown show.

The MSM loved her until she ran for President. They've been through the clown show before. That, and as I understand it, they constantly call news outlets and threaten them if they misreport things.

[Syl]

clarice

I hear and don't disagree. But the only person around who has the majority of the qualities desired isn't running for a third term. And I think the aversion to Hillary is blinding us to the reality out there. We may lose big in November and I'd rather lose to her than to Obama.

I admit I'm more concerned with fopo than domestic issues so I have my own bias here. But I can't even watch Hannity anymore (not that his whining and attempts to shame everybody who disagrees with him makes him one of my faves anyway) because he has Dick Morris on too much. Dick's hatred of Hillary is coming off more and more as pathological to me.

I just feel (sorry) that there's a line that's been crossed from a political aversion to an unseemly personal one.

[kim]

Syl, she is a despot.
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[Rick Ballard]

I'll just go with the opinion of her boss from her first foray in deceit in an area of importance:

"Eventually, because of a number of her unethical practices I decided that I could not recommend her for any subsequent position of public or private trust."

That's from the beginning of her "35 years of experience". I suppose that some would find her consistency admirable but a scorpion can ne'er be ought than a scorpion.

[arrowhead]

Kim,

"She is a despot."

Succinctly put and right on target - as usual.

[MayBee]

I'd rather have Obama.
Bill has who knows what going on with his library and foundation funding. He's been trading access for $$ for the past 8 years, and I can't see him stopping now. He was seriously shady with Loral and the Chinese. He ignored the alQaeda threat and played a huge part in what became the Iraq quagmire.
Hillary, when it comes to FoPo, has been nothing but his wife. She had the opportunity to stand up to her party about Iraq and didn't do it. She had Madeliene Albright and Wesley Clark stumping for her.

It would be a circus. It really would.
Obama might be bad, but at least it would be a new circus.

[vnjagvet]

It's the emotion, Syl.

Normally, the youth-constituency votes Democrat. That constituency is often pretty well committed to the kind of "change" represented by the Obama phenomenon. Joe Biden, in his typically stereotyping, cliched way, identified Obama's appeal as that of an "articulate" and "clean-cut" black man. That was understatement.

Obama is at times not merely articulate but eloquent; not merely clean-cut, but magnetic; and he moves crowds like a combination of JFK and MLK.

To turn Godwin's law on its head, Obama seems to have the same kind of effect on liberal and youthful Democrat audiences as the young Adolph Hitler had on swooning Germans in the early thirties when he was neither older nor more experienced than Obama. That is meant as a compliment, as Hitler was the most charismatic leader the German nation has ever seen.

Hillary is simply not able to keep up with this cult of personality. Bill might have been able to keep up, but Hillary just does not have the weaponry.

[Syl]

Well, even despots can win then lose elections. This is America, after all.

I'm not saying I WANT her as president, I'm saying that I think Obama would be worse because I believe he believes that the world will obey him based on the strength of his personality and charm alone. That is far more dangerous than Hillary AFAIC.

So do many of you believe Obama is the lesser of two evils while I believe the opposite. Or is this just a case of ABH?

[Syl]

Maybee

I agree that the Bill aspect makes this far worse. I really don't know what can be done about that.

[MayBee]

Or is this just a case of ABH?

No. I would have voted for Hillary over Huckabee.
It's true, but I don't think that's what you wanted to hear. ;-O

[boris]

BHO would probably be less effective at implementing damage. HRC might be marginally better on Iraq or another terrorist attack, but her domestic agenda would be a real bummer.

If Fubird is right about BHO he might be more flexible in a (supposedly) less partisan office like POTUS.

[MikeS]

Syl, I agree that Hillary would be a better President than Obama, but I also think she would be tougher to beat in the general election.

I can't imagine that people can listen to Barack for 8 more months without cringing at his lack of substance.

[Syl]

MayBee

It's true, but I don't think that's what you wanted to hear. ;-O

LOL

Politics is really really weird, though, isn't it?

[hit and run]

boris:
If Fubird is right about BHO

If frogs had hip pockets, they'd carry guns.

[boris]

Froggy went a courtin' and he did ride uh huh

Froggy went a courtin' and he did ride uh huh

Froggy went a courtin' and he did ride,

Sword and pistol by his side uh huh

[kim]

v, I'm glad you brought that up, because I can smell it too. His followers would have no problem smashing windows.
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[Charlie (Colorado)]

Let us know the response.

Not a word. I'd missed that about Obama, I'm kind of sorry now.

Syl, it isn't that I dislike Hillary personally. I just think she's duplicitous, malicious, mendacious, and crooked.

[Syl]

MikeS

Syl, I agree that Hillary would be a better President than Obama, but I also think she would be tougher to beat in the general election.

Okay, I can accept this.

It's a glass half-full POV.

I think I'm with Tom on this one. Didn't he say this election might be a blowout, he just doesn't know which way it will blow?

(But I still think some of the hate hillary rhetoric is over-the-top).

[Syl]

Charlie

Syl, it isn't that I dislike Hillary personally. I just think she's duplicitous, malicious, mendacious, and crooked.

Okay, that's funny.

But the only politician I can think of who is free of all four of those wonderful qualities is W. Even the stuff you all hold against him he didn't lie about. He ran as a compassionate conservative which meant $$$. He was from Texas which meant comprehensive immigration reform was probably going to be on the table.

[Cecil Turner]

(But I still think some of the hate hillary rhetoric is over-the-top).

I think kim nailed it. I don't care about her stated policies, or anything else that comes out of her mouth, because I assume it's a lie until proven otherwise (and Rick's link--complete with the chuckle-worthy missing files episode--just illustrates the point). Besides, you'd not only get her, but her husband and the band of moral midgets that goes with 'em. IMHO, their only concern is expedience, they are reflexively dishonest, and they have no qualms whatsoever about squashing someone who gets in their way. Hate? Dunno. But I'd certainly hate having her as President.

[Bill in AZ]

My big concern with Hillary is the stuff she does behind the scenes that most people don't know about, have very little exposure to, but is far more damaging than the stuff we actually see. Hillary and Obama are ideological twins. Theoretically it shouldn't even matter which Alinsky twin wins, so why all the fighting between them?

The difference (as Hillary says) is experience. Hillary already has the 7-8000 "plum positions" filled with like-minded socialists, and they will be in place within days of her inauguration speech in January.

She knows she fights an uphill battle legislatively to implement her socialist schemes, even amongst the few remaining conservatives with any backbone left in congress. She knows it's easier to stack everything else within reach of her administration with like-minded socialists, and her plans get implemented without bothering with the legislative branch.

She and Bill stacked so many things during their 8 years, and President Bush didn't unstack them - and has been undermined directly and indirectly ever since. Take one small instance - the 93 US attorneys. Bill fired them all at the start of his 2nd term - as is within his prerogative. Most, if not all of the new ones were more likely to lean left, he had 4 years to identify them. They bring along many more like-minded folks in staff. Just imagine what 93 left leaning attorneys can accomplish quietly, just a little bit at a time - along with their staffs. A little bit of left english in this case, toss that one out, oh, here's a trivial case against some evil corporation, lets throw the book at them... You've seen this happen.

Bush fired 8, and is still facing Reid/Pelosi idiocy and non-stop investigations over it.

The US attorneys are just one small, and now visible, area - think of all the invisible ones. Intelligence, military (how in the hell did General Wesley "posse comitatus" Clark make so many stars?) not to mention all of the retired generals who have been trumpeted in the NYT (where do you suppose all of those retiring generals came from?), the various cabinet positions and thousands of associated staff that deal with economy, environment, etc.

The difference between Obama and Hillary, and the reason she is so desperate to win, is that she knows what to do and how to do it - right now. Obama is too simple minded to grasp this - he actually thinks his rhetoric, and the Obamessiah worship, and his "mandate" will be enough. It may be - over time, but Hillary can get there a lot quicker, starting from day one.

By the way, this is why she can't really articulate her "experience".

[Tom Maguire]

Hate Hillary? Moi? C'mon, I hate Osama Bin Ladin; Hillary is never going to get to that status.

But I'll Mega-Ditto Mr. Turner. And I would rather lose to Obama than Hilary, but I saw that as the optimist who voted for Carter over Ford and Bill over George (and swore each time, never again to let hope triumph over fear when picking a President).

It's a glass half-full POV.

Some see a glass half-empty; others see a specimen cup.

[clarice]

TM"Some see a glass half-empty; others see a specimen cup."

You've been hanging around Hit a bit too much, Tom.(That is very funny)

[Bill in AZ]

Re the Rezko addendum: Fitzlaw states that taking crime victims off the street will force perps into honest work. Just a matter of time (a couple of years max) until Fitz finds a victim to nail with a process crime - and then Rezko will be forced to find honest work.

[hit and run]

OK. Last chance folks. If you know what I'm talking about, then you know. And if you think you know but you're not sure, you might know. If you don't think you know, but you think you might, then you don't. And if you have any questions, then please....for the love of the children, and puppies please, email me.

jomhitandrun@gmail.com

You want to email me if you don't know. And if you don't email me, even after reading this -- you will not be happy with your decision.

Time is running out. And I want everyone involved to be involved. We're talking less than 4 hours. Respond now, if you have any questions. Operators are standing by.

Please. And I am truly sorry for those who I have not been able to reach who if they had been reached would have been involved. I did what I could, and would I could have done more, I would have.

[VIMH: Why are you being so coy?]
Unlike Barack, I am proud of my middle name, Coy.

[hit and run]

Clarice:
You've been hanging around Hit a bit too much, Tom.(That is very funny)

Other. Way. Around.

[Rick Ballard]

Bill,

I agree 100% with your observations. What I find endearing about BHO is the utter stupidity of his graft shenanigans with Rezko. OTOH - Webb Hubbell and Susan McDougal are still observing omerta re Whitewater. So is Jim McDougal - maybe that's what's keeping Webb and Susan so quiet?

The Arkie grifters were and are a lot more dangerous than BHO for precisely the reasons you give. I just hope BHO makes it to the election before being indicted.

He won't if RW has anything to do about it - and she will.