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March 13, 2008

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Enlightened

Posted on the other thread also-

Well...I go to church and my pastor has NEVER, not EVER, EVER given a sermon such as this. The sermon was spoken with hate and anger, and contained only hate and anger. Every church I have ever been to has never, ever sermonized in such a hateful manner.

I'm not saying Wright's sermons are all thus, but it only take one to influence a young man or woman to perpetuate the hate.

If I stumbled into a church and such a sermon was in progress, I would have immediately left the building.

IMO - Anyone that supports this race baiting, hate mongering, reprehensible dogma should be ashamed of their stupid, ignorant selves.


Pat Allen

I don't know if this Wright can fly, but I do wonder if he is the architect of anything in Obama's campaign.

Thomas Collins

If you are a B_O supporter look at it on the bright side: if this keeps up, HRC supporters will no longer be able to argue that your candidate is insufficiently vetted.

ben

Obama has a armored suit designed to keep the stench of Chicago politics from escaping while he does his "I am a breath of fresh air in U.S. politics gig". The armor is showing some small cracks however, and some noxious gases are wafting out.

anduril

Well, when you tire of race (and my brother tells me he heard a black female dem delegate from CA who said that feminist democratic white women are pissed at Obama for thwarting Hils and if Obama is denied the nomination it could be worse than '68) you can always turn to high finance for amusement.

The Telegraph (UK) takes a dire view of the US economy and the Fed's recent actions (h/t bro):

Fed takes boldest action since the Depression to rescue US mortgage industry

The US Federal Reserve has taken the boldest action since the 1930s, accepting $200bn of housing debt as collateral to prevent an implosion of the mortgage finance industry and head off a full-blown economic crisis.

The Bank of England, the key European central banks, and the Bank of Canada all joined in a co-ordinated move with a mix of policies to halt the dowward spiral in the credit markets, expanding on the "shock and awe" tactics used late last year.

The Fed's dramatic step came after an emergency conference call by governors on Monday night. It followed the melt-down of the US chartered agencies -- Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and other lenders -- which together guarantee 60pc of the entire US home loan market. Fannie Mae's share price fell 19pc in panic trading on Monday after Barron's magazine said it may need a rescue package.

"The agency crisis was a Tsunami event," said Tim Bond, global strategist at Barclays Capital.

"The market was starting to question the solvency of bodies that stand at the top of the credit pile. These agencies together wrap or insure $6 trillion of mortgages. They cannot be allowed to fail because it would cause a financial disaster. The fact that this sector has blown up has caught everybody's attention in Washington," he said.

The Fed action set off a powerful relief rally, lifting the Dow Jones index over 340 points in early trading. Both US and European equities have been hovering on key support lines in recent days, threatening to break down through 18-month lows in a second, brutal leg to the bear market.

Stress indicators across almost all parts of the global credit system fell from extreme levels on the Fed news. The CDX and iTraxx Europe indexes that serve as a default barometer for corporate bonds retreated from record highs, although it is too early to judge whether the latest action will start to thaw the credit freeze. The stock market rally after the last central bank intervention in December fizzled out after just one day.

The Fed's in a desperate race with spectre of collapse

Arguably, having come this far, Mervyn King and Ben Bernanke have breached the point of no return. There is no going back. The US certainly is now relying on its central bank to keep its most important credit markets open, its equity markets from plunging and bring a veneer of normality to financial life. Traditional supports, such as confidence in normal commercial debt repayment, have been knocked away as institutions are engaged in a desperate dash for cash.

We have not seen anything like it since the decade of the Great Depression. Melodramatic as that might sound, it is a fact but a fact that markets seem unwilling to accept. While the Fed is willing to slash rates and hope, and pump liquidity into the system, markets will remain optimistic. But it is a race to the bottom. The Fed hoping it reaches the finishing line first and restores confidence returns before a bank goes bust. But the spectre of a collapse is neck and neck with Bernanke and it's still anyone's guess which will win.

As I've said before, I'm no economist and high finance for me would be balancing my checkbook. However, even I can see the silver lining: if even a fraction of this is true, race will not be an issue in the election.

Sue

You can tell a lot about the way the congregation reacted to what he was saying. This didn't shock anyone and even if you agreed with what you were hearing, to hear your pastor just suddenly come out and say it would be shocking. To hear your pastor curse from the pulpit would be shocking in most churches, I would think. They weren't shocked. Hallelujah! The US of KKK A. I can't imagine the fallout if the roles were reversed. Bush has been crucified for being a member of one the most main stream, somewhat liberal, denominations in the US.

Forbes

Anduril:

Quite a leap of faith there-that the campaign will be about substance, or that politicians actually have any experience with credit markets that require us to take their counsel.

The minute someone says, "It's different this time" is the time to grab a hold of your wallet because you're just about to get picked.

megapotumus

Claims of equivalence to Falwell/Roberts/Dobson are as vapid as they are inevitable. Being a non-believer myself I can relate to a "pox on all" position, but the theological issues seem to balance out; sure Mormonism is pretty wacky but no less plausible than mainstream messianism, while the calls to grievance and resentment have more secular and practical impact (and are, apparently, unique among our candidates' holy mentors).

Rick Ballard

"The minute someone says, "It's different this time" is the time to grab a hold of your wallet because you're just about to get picked."

Yep. And the banks grabbing Carlyle's assets rather than doing a workout, coupled with S & P calling the bottom sort of mega reinforces that point.

Don't worry - there'll be more clouds to wring hands over tomorrow.

Other Tom

It is dead solid certain that Obama has got a one-way ticket to unelectability. The only interesting question is whether he arrives at his destination before or after the superdelegates bestow their wisdom on the Democratic party.

I'm pretty much indifferent to the answer. If the Dems wake up before the final tally, then eleven percent of the electorate will see their man's nomination as having been stolen by the Blue Eyed White Devils, and will stay home or vote for McCain.

Hard to overstate my joy at all of this.

megapotumus

And another Romney point suggests itself. Mitt was grilled on the late Mormon notion that blacks bear the Mark of Cain. Of course that was abandoned decades ago and the Romney tribe was the inside driver for that enlightening revision. Did Barry ever object, even privately, to Wright's exhortations if he disagrees with them? Could he not vote with his feet and attend some other service? Perhaps there was no need. It seems likely that Wright is as sincere in his denunciations as Obama is on NAFTA and Iraq. It's all for show, but who takes it seriously? Someone must.

Other Tom

Can this Wright handle a bimbo eruption?

SteveMG

As Shelby Steele argues, Obama's trapped. But perhaps not.

Having traveled in (indeed emerged from) black and white worlds, he joined a black nationalist church out of a belief that blackness and not assimilation was the proper course for his life.

But he has changed (I think he has); he no longer embraces this absolutist world view where life is divided so easily into racial identities.

But how does he leave that prior life?

If he does, if he is somehow able to make that speech that shows his growth, his rejection of this racial absolutism, he wins the presidency.

If he can't make that speech, he loses it.

It's a fascinating period in the history of black America. Of America. For if you think about it, it's the time we have all been hoping for. The time that a black man rises to such power that he shows, as James Baldwin stated, that "for better or worse, African Americans are Americans. Not Africans."

He can lead black Americans into a new land. A new destiny.

Is he up to it?

clarice

Hoe bad can the economy be? Kirsten is being overwhelmed by high paying offers and as we chuckle at his downfall, you can be sure Elliot Spitzer is marking up his first chapter of "Lust Dies Hard" which Dr Phil has already written a forward for and Oprah has pencilled in a promo for.
America!

bgates

Forbes, anduril isn't saying pols know anything about credit markets, he's saying that they'll be saying anything about credit markets. Because it's going to be a big issue, because they're in a lot of trouble.

Personally, I'm not as concerned about the 19% that Fannie Mae dropped in 'panic trading' as I am about the 60% it dropped before that 19%.

Rick - in the last 2 years, the market has called bottom more often than Eliot Spitzer. The same people who used to say there was no problem in the housing market are now saying the problem is almost over. I'm not buying it.

Enlightened

Horton hears a Hoe?

GMax

Remember when certain pundits in the wake of the Texas primary, were telling us that it was a bad thing for Republicans for this battle and its resulting scrutiny to go on? The argument was something like the Democrats will get all the publicity and McCain cant make the news cycle.

Well who believes that ABC News would be making a big hairy deal out of Obama's hatefilled and hateful pastor if the Democrat nomination were already sewn up? Its because Hill is in a tough race and is driving the coverage and forcing the coverage or is finding longtime sympathetic ears to whisper in, not because they want to vett a Democrat.

Meanwhile McCain raises funds, picks his spots on when to punch and counterpunch and watches the negative rating of both potential rivals go up while he maintains a net positive rating. Its all good.

I am really challenged to see the negative here.

bgates

I am really challenged to see the negative here.
Whoever wins, the border will be erased, and both parties will race to the bottom to see who can pander most to the newest 50 million citizens of Estados Unidos. The man responsible for McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy will be the most conservative person elected president in the next 50 years.

GMax

"The minute someone says, "It's different this time" is the time to grab a hold of your wallet because you're just about to get picked."

The alternate view, and of course the one I currently hold, is that its a good thing when a few institutions fail and their assets get disgorged out into the system. Just like the RTC was feared that it was ruining the real estate markets, but actually was just a necessary step in bringing normalcy to a market, sometimes things have to be written down to a point where a few poeple say " Hell, at that price I will buy it." Greed is a wonderful thing. The first guys in take a risk that few seem willing to take. Soon word of their good fortune drives more into the market and eventually a normal market of roughly equal numbers of buyers and sellers emerges.

It was the start of the solution for the S&L crisis and I was at ground zero. It might be a little early to know for sure, but a hedge fund or two failing for their excesses and their assets being sold cheap for margin calls may soon look like the bottom of the trough.

GMax

Bgates

I hope you are just being sarcastic. First off citizens cant vote. And I think McCain is sincere when he says he learned a lesson and it is enforcement first.

But I am a realist not a pessimist so there is certainly room for more than one forcast of the future. But I must say your is a quite bitter one that I hope I never share.

Hispanics are not the enemy.

GMax

non citizens cant vote

Sheesh

anduril

bgates, yes that's more or less what I was saying: when people are worried about financial survival they'll stop worrying about race...for the moment.

However...

OT--isn't that a sad picture of where we're at with our racial spoils system of politics? As bgates hints, and I said openly not too long ago, the day is fast approaching when blacks will find out that they're once again the big losers in America, because both parties will be pandering for Hispanic votes and devising appropriate rewards for the new dominant minority. Rush was very eloquent on this today.

Sam

Obama may very well be the most dire threat to the survival of the Republic since the Civil War. How could he have gotten this far without real vetting in this so called Information Age?

The evidence is just piling up now at this late date that he shouldn't even be in the US Senate yet he is poised to be the Democratic nominee for the Presidency.

Just incredible, and frightening.

Enlightened

Frightening also the thought that if he does lose the nomination and/or presidency - what the hatefest at his "church" will then sound like.

#1 - I'm pretty sure all "church" parishioners will be "frisked" for video equipment - ie: cell phone etc. Ya'll know they won't be letting youtube in on any of that!

Oh happy day. The Uniter is even going to change how churches sermonize. Priceless.

bgates

Hispanics are not the enemy.
I don't think they're moving up here with copies of 'The Motorcycle Diaries' anxious to declare the independence of Aztlan. I think they're moving up here to get a better life for themselves and their families. And when they get here, they're going to find a political party telling them that the way to the good life is to vote for someone who will give back to them what the evil capitalists stole. Looking at the political history of Latin America, I'm not optimistic about the likelihood of the latest Hispanic immigrants resisting economic demagoguery. Economic pandering is already good for a near majority of the 100 million votes cast in a national election, and we're going to add 10 to 50 million more voters who come from countries where it works, and demographically resemble the people it works on here.

But maybe Bill Buckley was actually typical of people born in Mexico. And maybe John McCain has for the first time ever decided that he was wrong, and the chickenshit racist yahoos of the Republican base were right. -That latter is the 'realist' perspective, is it?

capitano
What are the odds that the MSM will push down that road? My answers - slim and none.

Nah, they'll have to question Obama thoroughly on Pastor Wright's more egregious anti-American statements based on the standard set in the Bob Jones University/GWB kerfuffle prior to 2000 election. You remember -- weeks of questioning about whether Bush approved of Bob Jones ban on inter-racial dating...and he only gave a speech.

So the press will go after BHO with hammer and tong. Anything less would leave the MSM open to ridicule for employing a double standard.

Rick Ballard

"How could he have gotten this far without real vetting in this so called Information Age?"

What do you mean? He was thoroughly vetted. Ayers gave him his blessing and the cheap crooks in Springfield pushed him from the get go. He's a prog dream and he's being peddled that way.

He really isn't that dangerous because he has so little chance of winning even the Dem nomination. Besides, he does have a fair chance of finishing off Red Witch's chances to win in November so he needs just a tad more wholly uncritical acclaim. She'll turn him into Mr. Toad soon enough.

Anon

Where the heck did I read that Obama donated $22,000 to this church?

clarice

Check out sweetness & Light or Protein Wisdom. I saw that donation amount today in one or both of those places.

kcom

"Where the heck did I read that Obama donated $22,000 to this church?"

That's not possible. According to the Reverend Wright, he's not rich.

(Notwithstanding the approximately $169,000 a year, plus perks, he makes in the Senate, his very large income from book sales, and his wife's salary of $316,000 per annum.)

Other Tom

"He can lead black Americans into a new land. A new destiny."

What is the basis for believing this? In twenty years he has had no sign of any such effect on his own church. How's he gonna do with the nation at large? Who in hell knows?

Pofarmer

Rush also dug up that this guy is now working on Barack Husseins campaign.

Pofarmer

Other Tom,

I think the new land and new Destiny is the one his church teaches. The one where they stick it to whitey.

Other Tom

Tidbit from the Politico:

"On the Clinton call earlier, Mark Penn said, 'We believe that [the Pennsylvania primary result] will show that Hillary is ready to win, and that Sen. Obama really can’t win the general election.'

"He later revised it to say that losing Pennsylvania would raise question about Obama's ability to win.

"But it's a pretty strong thing to say."

She'll spend the next several months planting that seed. What does she care? If she herself is not the nominee, does anyone in this world think she gives a damn how the election comes out?

Sue

After hearing the Obamas preacher, I am less apt to believe Barack when he defends his wife's rhetoric. I would bet you if you looked long enough, you would find video of Mrs. Obama standing and swaying with the crowd while he preaches white hatred.

Sue

I'm going off memory here, but aren't both of Obama's white grandparents and his mother dead?

anduril

Does everyone know I'm not crazy about McCain and that I think the economy will be a BIG issue?

Nevertheless...

As I was driving and listening to the latest bad economic news on CBS, I also heard a snippet to the effect that McCain beats (right now) both Clinton and Obama in PA. Ordinarily that would be an extraordinary bellwether.

GMax

Now if a guy attends a regular weekly meeting for a number of years of a "White Power" organization where the head of the group issues on a regular basis hate speech the mirror image of what comes out of Minister Farakhan's mouth, are you telling me that a Republican candidate would not be held to what the head of the group said? Would he not be villified for not getting up and walking out of the very first meeting and never darkening the doorway again? Tell me any leniency at all would granted. I wont believe you, but go ahead and try.

And if you think that "Damn America" speech is an aberration, go the United Church of Christ website and read through it. Then do a search on Liberation Theology and read that. Its basically Marxism rolled into theology, and Wright stirs in his own "Afrocentric focus" to make a true witch brew.

GMax

McCain beats both in Michigan too, probably the worst economic basket case in the country. And the mayor of Detroit is about to be indicted for corruption. Guess his party.

M. Simon

She'll spend the next several months planting that seed. What does she care? If she herself is not the nominee, does anyone in this world think she gives a damn how the election comes out?

Yep. She will want the Democrat to lose.

glasater

Oreilly is running clips of Wright on his evening show. Amazing language coming out of the pastor's mouth.

Anyway, there was a side by side photo of Obama standing next to Wright. And even with a white mother--Wright is lighter in skin color than Wright.

bgates

I'm going off memory here, but aren't both of Obama's white grandparents and his mother dead?
Yeah, but Wright was nowhere near them when it happened.

LogicalSC

Obama is the "perfect storm" candidate for the new Democratic party which is controlled by the adolescent American-hating left.

He is a "psuedo-minority" raised by a communist "fellow traveler" mother who was enthralled by all the Marxist groups and anti-American agitprop from the 70s. He left is father's religion to join a "pseudo-christian" church who spends most of its energy and time in anti-American and anti-white bigotry rather than the message of Jesus Christ. And to top it off, he marriages a bigoted women who holds hatred for white America and men.

We know that he encapsulates all that the Democratic party represents and has hid from most of America for decades. So lets get it done and nominated him and see if America truly wants the hatred of America, men and whites to represent them to the world.

PaulL

****How could he have gotten this far without real vetting in this so called Information Age?****

Our friend John "Viet Nam" Kerry was never asked a tough question by the mainstream media during the entire 2004 campaign.

Reporters want Barry elected.

glasater

you know what I meant--

Wright is lighter in skin color then Obama.

clarice

I did get it glasater. I figured you caught whatever I suffer from.

glasater

Thanks Clarice--"oldtimers" is setting in on this body.

I sent the link to your blog on AT to a few of my political minded friends and got a response already--big thumbs up from our R State Committee Woman.

Stunning that Wright claims our government is using HIV to eliminate black people.

Ann

Clarice,

I thought your AT article was great fun. It was so delightful I printed it for my husband to read.

JOM,

McCain is on Hannity tonight; I think for the full hour.

Elliott

Here's the line of approach I think would be strongest for Hillary against Obama in trying to get the better of the Michigan delegation argument:

The actions of a President have tremendous and often irrevocable consequences. Your decisions will have an impact not only on the lives of your fellow citizens, but on the lives of people all around the world.

In the Illinois legislature, on many important issues, Senator Obama sat on the fence, instead of taking a stand. Sometimes he voted present, other times he voted one way on a bill and then had it placed in the record that he wanted to vote the other way.

In Michigan, Senator Obama took his name off the ballot and now he wants to put it back on. First, Senator Obama deprived Michigan's Democrats of the chance to support him. He made this choice even though he knew the delegates could be counted [should an appeal to the credentials be successful].

Now, he wants another bite at the apple. He doesn't think he should have to live with the consequences of his own actions.

That's just my opinion.

clarice

Elliott, I could be wrong, but my understanding is that all the Dem candidates agreed to remove their names from the MI ballot. Obama did but Hill did not claiming that there had been some miscommunication between her office and the MI authorities which prevented her name from being removed in time. If that's true, such an argument as you propose would really take some nerve.

windansea

I'm not optimistic about the likelihood of the latest Hispanic immigrants resisting economic demagoguery. Economic pandering is already good for a near majority of the 100 million votes cast in a national election, and we're going to add 10 to 50 million more voters who come from countries where it works,

I agree, after living in Mexico for 4 years I am astounded that the poor here continue to swallow the bogus nationalistic pride fed to them by a ruling class of white spaniards who continue economic oppression while pointing at Uncle Sam as the bad guy.

anduril

So, it turns out Wright is originally from Philly. His talk about Italians wasn't a fluke, especially with Ferraro getting the call from the Clinton campaign to play the race card.

Interesting how Wright rarely seems to talk about "white people"--it usually seems to be "RICH white people."

Elliott

Here's a bit from an October story on Michigan:

Clinton, however, is not expected to ask to have her name removed from the ballot.

"We're honoring the pledge and we won't campaign or spend money in states that aren't in compliance with the DNC calendar,'' Clinton spokesman Jay Carson told The Associated Press. "We don't think it's necessary to remove ourselves from the ballot.''

Dodd's campaign issued this statement: "We are committed to the importance of Iowa and New Hampshire going first, and we signed the four-state pledge to hopefully prevail upon the DNC and the state parties to add clarity to that situation. However, it does not benefit any of us if we are the nominee to pull our name off the ballot and slight Michigan voters."

My recollection is that Obama and Edwards took their names off the ballot because they felt they couldn't risk alienating voters in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Elliott

Here's a bit from an October story on Michigan:

Clinton, however, is not expected to ask to have her name removed from the ballot.

"We're honoring the pledge and we won't campaign or spend money in states that aren't in compliance with the DNC calendar,'' Clinton spokesman Jay Carson told The Associated Press. "We don't think it's necessary to remove ourselves from the ballot.''

Dodd's campaign issued this statement: "We are committed to the importance of Iowa and New Hampshire going first, and we signed the four-state pledge to hopefully prevail upon the DNC and the state parties to add clarity to that situation. However, it does not benefit any of us if we are the nominee to pull our name off the ballot and slight Michigan voters."

My recollection is that Obama and Edwards took their names off the ballot because they felt they couldn't risk alienating voters in Iowa and New Hampshire.

RichatUF

glasater-

Stunning that Wright claims our government is using HIV to eliminate black people.

Not really. Here is the Snopes page that details some of it and The Sword and The Shield describes the successful efforts of the KGB in creating and spreading the conspiracy. Wright is just repeating what any number of Marxist Afro-centrists that hate America have said.

That the myth lives on in a Chicago "church" after all of this is known and the Cold War is "over" I suppose is the shocking part.

clarice

Windandsea, if I ever win the lottery,I'm stocking every free library in Latam with "The Perfect Latin American Idiot", the only book ever to detail the lunatic economic-political thinking that hampers Latam.

Ann

From NRO:

One of Obama's Earmarks Went to Hospital That Employs Michelle Obama
Dan Riehl notes, via Amanda Carpenter, that in the list of earmarks he requested, $1 Million was requested for the construction of a new hospital pavilion at the University Of Chicago. The request was put in in 2006.

You know who works for the University of Chicago Hospital?

Michelle Obama. She's vice president of community affairs.

As Byron noted, "In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital, where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office."

Looks like that raise was worth it.

Sue

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/03/13/wall-street-terror-threat-from-al-qaeda-non-specific/>Non specific threat to lower Manhattan/Wall Street by AQ.

kim

I think Obama is very adept at holding one thing in his heart, and letting another thing come out of his mouth. The national media isn't interested in investigating his character.
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Ranger

At this point, the only question is what will be the third shoe to fall this week on Obama. You have to have three sensational sub-headlines on a National Enquirer front page story.

clarice

Has anyone asked how these Wright sermons were taped and how they suddenly landed in the ledia's lap?

Porchlight

Clarice, Fox News says that it purchased the recordings from the church itself. Naturally that was considered evidence of skullduggery by rabid Obama supporters in the comments on the Politico story - not sure where the logic is there.

clarice

Thnx, porchlight. I think the Wright revelations are the equivalent of Fox's other election coup--Kerry's "I was for it before I was against it", and it appears in both cases this was publicly available info that the opposition media didn't think was newsworthy.

Porchlight

Yes, exactly. Other Obama supporters in that Politico thread cursed Hillary/Repubs for "muckracking" by putting the "oppo researched" Wright tapes out there.

Newsflash, if you need an oppo research team to discover Wright's nutjob ramblings, you're a moron. How is it muckracking to simply point to someone who has been in plain sight all along? I think Fox was being very deliberate in including that bit about purchasing the tapes directly from the church.

Topsecretk9

Feds investigating whether Spitzer used campaign funds for hooker expenses

His lawyer meet for quite a while to see the evidence amassed and it's my guess that there is some indication campaign funds were used.

kim

Well, Ferraro out, too.
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Other Tom

Interesting discussion on O'Reilly about whether the Wright sermons will become a big deal or not. I think they will. I don't expect to see them on NBC News, but the cat is now out of the bag and the soundtracks are in the public domain. I think we'll be hearing snippets of that guy's looniness for a long time. Obama better figure out what to do, and do it in a hurry.

kim

Kerry may wonder why he helped create this monster.
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Bill in AZ

Non specific threat to lower Manhattan/Wall Street by AQ.
Sue, I think the warning is a bit late like most of these warnings. The threat was the terrorist Attorney General Spitzer and he's toast...

Bill in AZ

"AG" "AQ" easy to mix up...

Bill in AZ

Speaking of terrorist Attorneys General, a couple of links:

Top 10 worst Attorneys General
http://www.americanprowler.com/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12889
http://cei.org/gencon/025,05719.cfm

Terrorist Attorney General Goddard from AZ didn't make the list of the top 10 worst, but he must be close, or maybe he made the top 10 stupidest. He has made life miserable for a good friend for the last several years, and the pattern is the same leftist/lib evil big business pap.

scoopa

I'm so sick of the America-hating left. I am and will continue to inform everyone I know about them. Don't like it here? Then LEAVE!!!

anduril

From Kathleen Parker this morning, a telling quote:

Ferraro committed that most egregious foul in the game of identity politics. She spoke of race and gender -- but especially race -- in an unapproved way.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she said. "And if he was a woman, he would not be in this position."

Was her comment racist and deserving of denunciation? Or was she partially, if clumsily, right?

Hold that thought while we visit Adelfa Callejo, a revered 84-year-old lawyer/activist and Clinton supporter in Texas, who said last month that Obama would have trouble with Latino voters because he is African-American.

"When blacks had the numbers, they didn't do anything to support us," Callejo said. "They always used our numbers to fulfill their goals and objectives, but they never really supported us, and there's a lot of hard feelings about that."

True or false? Racist or observant?

In fact, Clinton leads among Hispanic voters, winning by a 2-to-1 margin in large states such as New York, California and New Jersey. In Texas, Clinton did the same, winning among Latinos by 66 percent to 32 percent. Callejo wasn't wrong about the end result. And even if some condemned her statement, her reasoning -- based on experience and observation -- was sound.

glasater

OK--referring to a comment made upthread--here is a personal account that actually happened to me.
I know a group of lesbian hispanic women--got acquainted with them when I was dealing blackjack and poker 7/8 years ago--and one of them brought me a dvd of The Motorcycle Diaries a few months back to view.
These women are very catholic and very suspicious of BHO.

anduril

Steve Sailer's latest re the Rezko Trial:

Rezko trial focusing on ... hospitals

The connection between Tony Rezko and the Obamas that led to their coordinated action in 2005 in purchasing a mansion and adjoining yard in Chicago is starting to come into better focus.

That's because Rezko's trial in Chicago is concentrating heavily on Rezko's alleged corruption of the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board in 2003-2004 (see Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times), which apparently decides who gets to build hospitals. All sorts of different politicians in Illinois were aligned with one hospital-building fixer or another. It's "the Chicago Way."

And, according to Wikipedia:

"In January 2003, Obama became chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee when Democrats, after a decade in the minority, regained a majority in the Illinois Senate."

An email that surfaced earlier in the trial seemed to indicate, according to the NYT, that Obama "had been involved in recommending candidates for the board."

Meanwhile, Mrs. Obama was being paid six figures by a major Chicago hospital to coordinate community outreach, or something.

We aren't used to thinking of health care as being corrupt, but at 15% of the GDP these days, that's where the money is (as bankrobber Willie Sutton explained in response to a question about why he robbed banks). So, it's only natural that crooks will gravitate toward that industry.

And, as money is power, that's where the pols gravitate, too.

anduril

And in "Kill my neighbor's cow!" Sailer (who is widely ignored with reason) muses on the difference between mere affluence and stratospheric wealth--as in, the difference between the Obamas and the Clintons.

kim

"Is it a business or is it a street?" That from a taxi dispatcher when asked about 'The Chicago Way'. I fall over every time I remind myself of that one.
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Ranger

Well, this is interesting. It was possted in the comments at:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

in the Defending Wright thread today

Obama repudiating these remarks NOW is as repugnant as Clinton repudiating racial remarks days after they happen. Obama used these remarks by Wright in SC. There was an organized effort on behalf of the Obama campaign to distribute copies of Wright's speech racializing the campaign and trashing Hillary Clinton as "white." I know black voters in SC who saw this sermon/speech before the primary. The media reported that Bill Clinton racialized the campaign, when in fact under the radar, this was being shown. Obama should have repudiated it months ago when it was being used as a tool by his campaign.

Posted By: John | March 14, 2008 at 11:30 AM

If this is true, then it puts a whole new spin to what is going on.

clarice

If it were true, don't you suppose the not insignificant Clinton machine would have mentioned it?

Ranger

clarice,

I think they now. I have no doubt that the person posting that is a Clinton operative. I think if Hil had won Super Tuesday this would have stayed burried. But, now that Hil has to delegitimize Obama's lead, it is leaking out. Of course, it has to be done wihtout any Clinton fingerprints. She is still hoping she can use the black church network in the general to mobilize votes for her, so she can't be seen trashing them personally.

These videos were made for some reason. This may be the reason.

Ranger

I think they knew

Porchlight

I have no doubt that the person posting that is a Clinton operative.

Ranger,

Interesting idea. FWIW another commenter says the same thing just a few comments later in the thread:

Above commenter said: "How is this any different from what McCain said of Hagee... "Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas..." How is this different? Hagee is not McCain's pastor. Wright is Obama's pastor, spiritual advisor, in an official campaign position, and his sermons were distributed to African-American voters in South Carolina and elsewhere in order to consolidate African-American voter support when many still favored Hillary Clinton. It is a much bigger deal. Unfortunately for Obama, there won't be any repudiation that will work here. This will be stuck with him for the rest of the election as we learn more about how these sermons were politicized.

Posted By: Big Deal | March 14, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Clinton sock puppets? One says "black voters" and "SC," one says "African-American voters" and "South Carolina." Crafty..

clarice

Not as crafty as we are. HEH

PaulL

Rush is mentioning Clarice's "Mr. Sunshine" article at American Thinker as I now type.

clarice

I just got an email from my editor--though I my comment begins with a strong credit to Tom which my editor redlined when he sent it to Rush, Rush credited me. I owe you a drink TM..Have your girl call mine.

Ranger

And another interesting comment in the same thread. Does this sound like something that Clinton people want to say to Obama superdelegates but can't be quoted as saying?

This isn't just the beginning of the end for Obama. But some of those superdelegates who jumped on his bandwagon might just be toast. Does Claire McCaskill think this stuff will fly with most Missourians? Those white Missourians aren't exactly racial progressives. Maybe the good people of Kansas will want to ask Kathleen Sebelius why she is on board with Obama and this crowd? How about Ben Nelson in Nebraska? This is going to start hurting those superdelegates. Why would they endorse someone like Obama with ties to such extremist views? The most liberal member of the senate and w/ Wright as his advisor?!?

Posted By: John | March 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM

PaulL

You're better than Tom at PR, Clarice!

Rush has mentioned the American Thinker many many times, but I don't remember him mentioning Just One Minute.

Jane

I'm gonna go drive somewhere so I can hear Rush talk about Clarice.

This is a fun neighborhood to live in.

clarice

Here's what I wrote as the header to the TM quote One candidate promises to unite us, but is personally close with people who are pretty angry. What's up with that? Tom Maguire makes what I think is an unusually sage observation--even for such an intelligent commenter as he is:


Oh well, It'll be on his website with an url to the article, and I hope some of those who read it will pop into JOM.

(I have an idea, why don't you all email or fax Rush and suggest next time he's gone TM and I co-host as subs?)

boris

Maybe Rush doesn't want anyone to know that he sometimes comments here as ...

clarice

Heh---

Ted Kennedy caught red-handed (video)

By now every Cape Codder has heard our senior US senator Ted Kennedy proclaiming his resistence to the Cape Wind project on Nantucket Sound because, as he said, "that's where I sail." He has called Nantucket Sound "a national treasure", but his love and respect doesn't not extend to his own habits as these photos of him dumping diesel fuel from the bilge of his yacht Mya into the same waters he tries to prevent others from using for renewable energy projects.

http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/headlines/2008/03/13/kennedy_dumping_oil_itno_nantucket_sound>Fatso

Pofarmer

Does Claire McCaskill think this stuff will fly with most Missourians?

I dunno, she's the one who said that George Bush left black people on rooftops to die in New Orleans.

Soylent Red

TM and I co-host as subs?

An excellent idea, and a perfect training ground for some later assignments I have for you...

clarice

Sheikh yer Booty, I'm ready for that assignment as long as it doesn't involve memorizing codes and strings of numbers or using a damned cell phone.

PaulL

Many of Rush's substitute host are unlistenable. Yecch!

My favorite by far was Mark Steyn, but I think I heard him host only one time. Amazingly, he is just as clever and witty and punning when he's live on the radio as when he has time to think it over for a while, while writing.

Topsecretk9

Paul

I do love Walter Williams. Hillarious when he speaks of his gifts to his wife - a broom, something useful!

Topsecretk9

Oh and Tom Sullivan is a pretty good sit in.

glasater

Clarice--I tracked down your appearance on Rick Moran's web radio show that ran some time ago and you have a terrific voice for that venue.

Have your girl call mine

And all I have is the earlier mentioned hispanic woman who comes to help bail me out around the house once a month.

clarice

The only girl regularly around my house is a scampish bengal kitten,glasater, and she'll enlist me in anything that pays off in raw rabbit and De Birds for her.

sbw

next time he's gone TM and I co-host as subs

I don't know, Clarice. I've never seen you and Tom in the same room at the same time. Coincidence?

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