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PaulL

McPeak doesn't seem any better at making predictions than Dick Morris.

It's too bad so many of these ex-military people get involved in partisan politics and can't keep their mouths from running.

SteveMG

Barack can no more disown him than he can disown his own grandmother, who made comments about the war effort against the Japanese that made Barack cringe.

Somebody's going to whack you one of these days.

Good and hard.

Deservedly.

Soylent Red

With all due respect to the General and his branch.

Air Force generals are, by nature, opposed to things not being led by primarily Air Force generals. If it doesn't feature a high degree of whiz bang, the Air Force is skeptical.

Bet he was all in for bombing the hell out of plywood mockups in Serbia though.

clarice

Soylent--It's not bad enough you have the bald man onto you?

hit and run

SteveMG:
Somebody's going to whack you one of these days.

Good and hard.

Deservedly.

Oh, I would pay good money to see it!

PUK's money that is...

Other Tom

McPeak was accustomed to running his mouth while still in uniform. The man has long been understood by those in the know to be a dolt.

Let him go on Hannity & Colmes, and let the nation laugh.

A candidacy (hell, a party) melts down before our eyes.

hit and run

Other Tom:
A candidacy (hell, a party) melts down before our eyes.

Yup, magnifying glasses held up to ants at the right angle in the sunlight tend to do that.

BTW, you still on the road?

Papa hit and run is in SD as we speak. Having a good time. A really good time.

ben

It looks like McPeak, after applying the Peter Principle in the Air Force, has quickly done the same in the Obama campaign.

clarice

OT, I do wish you lived here so we could drink together in honor of this spectacle. And think of thid--how many millions of dollars have been pissed away by these clowns in the process? ROFL

MarkJ

Yeah, I have less than fond memories of General McPeak (I retired in November 1995). This pic of McPeak wearing his "Starfleet Command" uniform pretty much says where his head was at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gen_Merrill_McPeak_1993.jpg

What can you say about a guy whose idea of an updated uniform was to ensure the Air Force looked more like...the Navy?

Other Tom

No Hit, we got home last night after trip from hell through O'Hare. I'm right here in Coronado. Tantalizing thought that we could rendezvous so I could buy you a series of shooters...

And Clarice, we spent four lovely nights in a bed and breakfast in Alexandria last week while visiting my brother. My sister and I went to the magnificent house on Janney's Lane that we lived in from 1946 to 1948, knocked on the door and gave the current (very gracious) lady of the house a tour of the grounds, complete with details of how it was back then. She may have been pretending, but she sure seemed interested. Everyone should do something like that at some point. And I have just promised myself that I'll never go to that neck of the woods again without pre-arranging a meeting with you.

Faith+1

He didn't make us look like the Navy. He made us look like Delta Airlines. And uniform changes were his biggest contribution to the USAF. He set the Air Force back ten years with his boneheaded decisions and he did everything he could to lose the first Gulf War. I know Horner and Rutherford thought he was a complete tool and Rutherford often complained his career seemed to be spent cleaning up after McPeak's messes.

hit and run

OT:
Tantalizing thought that we could rendezvous so I could buy you a series of shooters...

Papa hit and run refers to my dad, if that wasn't clear. If it were me, I would already be at your doorstep, cab driving off, nearly passed out, cops not far behind.

RichatUF

McPeak says this-

Hopefully over time they can be brought along like Japan and Germany -- Japan and Germany were relatively easy, I think, and South Korea.

Where have I heard this before Pres. Bush's highly criticized speech to the VFW.

graf-

Ultimately, the United States prevailed in World War II, and we have fought two more land wars in Asia. And many in this hall were veterans of those campaigns. Yet even the most optimistic among you probably would not have foreseen that the Japanese would transform themselves into one of America's strongest and most steadfast allies, or that the South Koreans would recover from enemy invasion to raise up one of the world's most powerful economies, or that Asia would pull itself out of poverty and hopelessness as it embraced markets and freedom.
Topsecretk9

this is a no duh general observation, but I am always shocked at how tax-paid employees think they they have the power of elected government and sort of their only paid for act is to defy a republican president.

It's a kind of bribery. Bribery of the tax payer.

"I'll finally stop and won't fuck with your national security taxpayer, if you install a Democrat!" says gov't employee.


Neo

So I wonder how McPeak and Obama will set with the 57% of Americans say U.S. probably will win Iraq war.

Neo

Was John O. Brennan part of a setup to help Barack Obama ?
That backfired because State pre-empted it ?

qrstuv

Gosh, Iraq had open elections a few years ago. Did that make any impression on the good general?

Other Tom

Mark this statement well: This will not be the last time McPeak embarrasses Obama.

clarice

Thanks, OT. We;d treat you right.My husband and his brothers found their father's house in Vancouver a few years ago and developed a warm friendship with the then-owners who even had a pic from an historical book of the house from the time their father lived in it. (It's now in the Red Light district though it is an area in the process of gentrification but then is was considered a fine neighborhood and the house the work of a well-regarded local architect.)

MikeS

General McPeak, Samantha Powers, Rev. Wright, Austan Goolsbee; for the first time in my life I am really proud of a Dem candidate and his advisers.

fdcol63

This interview that McPeak did with Third Planet Report, by Alan Graf with www.hippelawyer.com, is pretty revealing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCESFCrcMl0

Frightening, really, if Obama wins.

Patrick R. Sullivan
"I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it," McPeak said.

In addition to being a lousy General, he's a lousy historian. Thanks to Stanton Evans' last book, we know that McCarthy didn't accuse any 'good Americans of being traitors'. He was entirely correct in his choices of targets.

Other Tom

Much as I have always loathed Bill Clinton, any suggestion that what he said about his wife and McCain somehow questioned Obama's patriotism is just plain nutty.

There is an increasingly clear picture of Obama surrounding himself with people of very questionable judgment and political views. He can only go to the disavowal well so many times.

SteveMG

"I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it," McPeak said.

Well, McPeak entered college in 1957 (link).

And McCarthy was censured, and his career over, in 1954 (link).

I didn't originally start to check his statement out; I was just curious as to the precise period when McCarthy was at his acme.

Big deal; memories falter after 40 years.

Rick Ballard

Steve - from your link "he entered San Diego State College where he earned a B.A. in economics in 1957". His birth year was 1936 which would support an entry year of 1954. He would have been hellish fast to enter and graduate in the same year.

The sentence is poorly written but I think the proper interpretation is "he earned a B.A. in economics in 1957".

Jerry Dove

McPeak was a buffoon as a General and is a buffoon now. He nearly ruined the Air Force with his F-22 and uniform obsessions. The Air Force mortgaged its future for the F-22 and gave up quite a bit of real combat capability - the kind you might need to fight a competent adversary. The Air Force Chief of Staff is not the air component commander in any war or operation. Thank goodness Lt Gen Chuck Horner was the air commander during Desert Storm for the combatant commander, Gen Schwartzkoff. Being the administrative head of the Air Force doesn't sound quite as sexy on the old resume.

Other Tom

Associated Press:

"WASHINGTON - Prominent supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama on Sunday both faulted Obama's campaign for allowing a retired general and backer of the Illinois senator to equate comments by Clinton's husband — which appeared to question Obama's patriotism — to McCarthyism."

While traveling last week I managed to find a list of the ten retired admirals and generals who were pictured with Obama. McPeak and a former deputy CNO named Nathman were the only two four-stars. Most were one-star (Brigadier Generals).

cossack

McPeak is crazy like a fox. He presided over the largest drawdown of combat airpower since the start of the AVF. So what is he remembered for? Managing to make everybody mad at him over a uniform change.

Paddy

McPeak, like several others who were forced into early retirement and/or relieved of their commands, has a credibility problem. Wesley Clark comes to mind.

He is proof of the Peter Principle. He was promoted one or levels beyond his competence.

Rollerball

Tony McPeak was the most hated General officer I've ever heard mentioned in my 20 years in USAF. Between a huge drawdown in personnel and the gross errors in judgment on the uniform (immediately overturned by Gen Fogleman when he took over, thank God), McPeak was (and continues to be) just a joke to most USAF officers. I wonder, is his motivation to get a Secretarial position by backing the Democratic party or is he just insane? McPeak doesn't just have a credibility problem. When his name is mentioned, it's the ANTI-credibility.

lynn

And Clarice, we spent four lovely nights in a bed and breakfast in Alexandria last week while visiting my brother. My sister and I went to the magnificent house on Janney's Lane that we lived in from 1946 to 1948, knocked on the door and gave the current (very gracious) lady of the house a tour of the grounds, complete with details of how it was back then. She may have been pretending, but she sure seemed interested. Everyone should do something like that at some point. And I have just promised myself that I'll never go to that neck of the woods again without pre-arranging a meeting with you.

I'm searching for the house I lived in as a kid. On Janneys Lane. The owner at the time was Stewart Miller.

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