Hot Air Blowing Smoke

The normally brilliant team at Hot Air seems inclined to give Obama a pass for indulging in the ocassional cigarette and then lying about it:

What right does a presidential candidate have to lie to a nosy reporter about something that’s totally irrelevant to the election and therefore none of his business?

Well, if it were totally irrelevant to the campaign I probably couldn't find "Quit Smoking With Obama" at his campaign website.

If it were totally irrelevant to his campaign I probably couldn't find him trying to score "family guy" points on the talk-show circuit (here with Ellen D on YouTube).

And if it were totally irrelevant to his campaign I probably couldn't find a spate of stories from early 2007 in which Obama made a big deal out of this in a bit of pre-announcement publicity.

Look, Obama is performing delivering a valuable public health service by getting up in the face of Jeremiah Wright's message that cigarettes were invented by Virginia plantation owners in order to enslave black men.  But if he is lying to us and to his wife, not to mention whiny reporters, well, that is modestly newsworthy.

OH, BY THE WAY: I made up that Jeremiah Wright thing, I hope.  But I bet if I listened to enough of his sermons I could hear something that sounded something like that - sometimes I do wish I were a lefty.

GREAT MOMENTS IN "IT'S NOT THE CRIME, IT'S THE COVER-UP":  OK, I did have sexual relations with that woman... but I didn't light up afterwards.  I suppose "I didn't inhale" would come too close to making sense.

Hmm, it is Friday, right?  I have a big global warming piece that has been sitting around as a draft since Monday and wow, do I not seem to give a hoot...

ALL THAT SAID:  It would take extraordinary delicacy to bash Obama for this without  coming off as a whining, overbearing Puritan and making him a sympathetic figure.  Where are Hillary and Bill when we need them?

AS I WAS SAYING:  See, here is another guy who said he would quit, but has he?  Well?

CAUTION FROM THE CAPTAIN:

In fact, if he wanted, Obama could turn the negative into a positive. Mindful that the Democrats want to expand S-CHIP on the backs of smokers — who tend towards lower-income, working-class groups — Obama could say that he wants to show solidarity with the underprivileged. He’s already having trouble establishing his street cred, according to Howard Kurtz, with bad bowling and cheesesteak snobbery; maybe lighting a cancer stick will help voters relate to him. He could even claim to be helping kids get health care by martyring his own health.

Better to leave it alone, I say.

No stone left unturned, or unthrown, says I.  What kind of a Right Wing Noise Machine are we if we can't even rile up a few of the militant "Thank You For Not Smoking" crowd?

Comments

[kim]

What a tease.
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[Elroy Jetson]

Tom,
Why bother with the global warming piece? You'll only expose yourself as a flat-earther anyway.
It's almost noon eastern. Go have an old-fashioned 3-martini lunch.

[PMII]

I'm waiting for the "I don't smoke, the cigarette does"

WE don't really have to pick our next President from these 3 do we?

[MayBee]

Has no one yet tied cigarette smoke to global warming? Surely it can be done.

[GMax]

Isn't funny that the guys who most resemble the world is flat crowd is the one who want to claim the debate is over and there is a consensus, no further dissent will be tolerated?

Roakay Relroy.

[Ranger]

What is really funny about this is the only reason Obama has to quit is because Hollywood has spend 3 decades demonizing smokers, and using smoking as a "tell" for the "bad guy" in film and TV. Now they have a presidential hopeful they really want to win, but he smokes.

The really interesting part (to me at least) about this is what it says about Obama's personality. When confronted about doing something he knows he shouldn't be doing, his first instinct is to lie. Just like claiming the land deal with Rezko was totally happenstance, and claiming he never heard anything controversial at his church.

[DebinNC]

I wonder how the fat-acceptance crowd will react, knowing now BO's oft-repeated "bringing obesity down to 1980 levels will save 1 trillion in health costs" is coming from Marlboro Man?

[Neo]

Does he roll his own .. or does he buy them from the "evil" tobacco companies ?

.. wait a minute just one minute, it's all clear now. He became a Senator just to get better health care and make the taxpayer fund his bad health from this disgusting habit.

Doesn't he know about Al Gore's sister ?

[Jane]

Oooooh yeah - let's ask Obama about the health costs of smoking.

[Neo]

Or is he just trying to follow in the footsteps of Adams, Jackson, Grant, Arthur, Harrison, Cleveland, Harding, Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan ?

[kim]

Don't forget Clinton, who apparently sucks, or sucked, on unlighted cigars. Actually that is a good way to get the benefits of nicotine without the harm of the smoke. Never forget that nicotine is a drug with good effects, too. How many people are alive because truckdrivers smoke? How many people are alive because someone had a cigarette before offing their spouse?

OK, where's the joke about before and after and boffing?
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[royf]

Ranger
Hollyweird perhaps spent the last 3 decades demonizing smokers, I'm not sure I agree but will concede the point. But for sure they spent the 4 previous decades making cigarettes glamorous. I know early movies made a big impact on me and influenced my decisions made toward smoking.

Maybe I missed it but I don't remember the class action suits against the old Hollywood studios. Nor do I remember any remorse coming from them for their role in promoting smoking. They were paid to promote it and did so for many years after its harmful aspects were being exposed.

[PrestoPundit]

When my wife heard Barack's wife had asked him to quit smoking, and he'd done what she asked, by wife told me she was going to vote for Obama for President.

The fact that Obama had "quit smoking" was the only thing she knew about him.

Just for the record, I don't smoke.

[DebinNC]

Michelle's "I'm no Tammy Wynette" moment

"Michelle Obama says she agreed to help her husband run for president on one condition: That he finally quit smoking. For good.

"I hate it," she said on CBS' 60 Minutes, according to a transcript released Sunday. "That's why he doesn't do it anymore. I'm proud to say. I outed him -- I'm the one who outed him on the smoking. That was one of my prerequisites for, you know, entering this race, is that, you know, he couldn't be a smoking president."

[Sue]

How many people are alive because truckdrivers smoke?

Kim gets post of the day. And owes me a monitor and keyboard.

::grin::

[Ranger]

DebinNC,

So, he wasn't lying to a reporter, he was lying to his wife through his campaign staff and a reporter. The longer this goes on the more Barack and Michelle start looking like Bill and Hill from 16 years ago.

[kim]

Hey, Sue, the balance sheet shows you owe me about ten of each.

::smirk::
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[Sue]

Kim,

Heh.

[Danube of Thought]

I don't see it as a lie. Merely a failure of will power, leadership and judgment.

I believe Elroy Jetson is on to something big. I am off to the gym, then a shower, then the prescribed 3-Martini lunch with a bunch of buddies of 40 years' standing.

[MayBee]

Here's Obama on Wednesday's Hardball:

OBAMA: I fell off the wagon a couple times during the course of it, and then was able to get back on. But it is a struggle like everything else. And I think that it is important to just keep in mind, I have a nine-year-old daughter and a six-year-old daughter. And I want to give them away in their weddings and I want to see my grand kids, and I want to set a good example for all these young people here, and I want to make sure as president of the United States, everybody knows that I’m going to try to stay healthy. I need you guys to stay healthy, too, because we need to bring our health care costs down.

So it is of collective importance.

Anyway, what bugs me about Ed's deal is that it doesn't have to be either an outrage or left alone. Can't things be just discussed anymore?

[Thomas Collins]

I am not a big fan of B_O. However, I think we all should light up . . . er, lighten up, on this. :-)) My guess is that at least a few JOM posters are fans of cigar smoking Winston Churchill. If B_O wins and needs a Camel straight when he takes that 3 am call, I say that's OK with me!

[Jane]

That was one of my prerequisites for, you know, entering this race, is that, you know, he couldn't be a smoking president."

I guess Michele was a little premature saying she finally was proud of her country. This should set her back to her days of shame.

[DebinNC]

If this were McCain, we'd be seeing stories about his contributing to Wall Street's woes by bringing down the stock of Nicorette.

[Porchlight]

FWIW, I'm a kinda-ex-smoker - I pretty much only smoke at an evening social gathering, if even then. My husband smokes. Most of our mutual friends smoke or are ex-smokers.

Obama would be a lot more credible if from the beginning he had just said to any reporter needling him on this issue: "Yes, I smoke. I'm trying to quit, but it's hard. Get off my back." (In more Presidential language, of course.) A straightforward response to a personal question.

Instead, he makes a big self-congratulatory to-do about quitting, puts "Quit with Obama" on his website, and then hedges to reporters. And even when he finally admits it (like on Hardball, quoted above), he gets preachy and opportunistically tries to shift the conversation to a topic he likes better (health care). Exactly the lamest way to go about it. But it does tell me something about the kind of guy he is.

[MayBee]

exactly, porchlight.

[RichatUF]

MayBee-

Has no one yet tied cigarette smoke to global warming? Surely it can be done.

Some friday stupid:

OMG!!!. It appears that Gore covered this territory in a speech during Annan's retirement although the speech has gone down the memory hole.

Tough choice for BHO: funding S-CHIP or increasing his carbon footprint.

[DebinNC]

Is Obama house-trained?

"[Obama] told Ebony that his wife demands exacting standards. "I still forget stuff. As Michelle likes to say, 'You are a good man, but you are still a man'. "I leave my socks around. I'll hang my pants on the door. I leave newspapers laying around. But she lets me know when I'm not acting right. After 14 years, she's trained me reasonably well."

Even if most married men's experience is similar, is this "training" something we like our commander-in-chief to cheerfully admit? So far, his braving the wrath of 6ft tall Michelle to smoke is the one hint of masculinity I've seen in BO.

[Brett]

I can think of a greater failing than smoking: tyrannizing smokers.

[Elliott]

When will we hear that Obama started lighting up again having cracked under the strain of the Wright controversy? Culpability can attach to the VRWC yet.

[Elliott]

When will we hear that Obama started lighting up again having cracked under the strain of the Wright controversy? Culpability can attach to the VRWC yet.

[capitano]

Everybody lies about oral fixations.

[Soylent Red]

I wonder, if the Obamessiah ascends to his rightful position as POTUS if he will smoke in the White House.

It is a government building.

For all those many cold and lonely years I was relegated to freezing my ass off no less than 30 feet from the entrance to buildings, I would truly revel in photographs of Obamessiah pacing back and forth in the Rose Garden in sub-zero temperatures, feeding the monkey.

Oh and Ranger...

Smoking is not really a tell for the bad guy anymore. Obamessiah can still smoke, but in the role of Everyman or Flawed Hero. He's really more Miramax than MGM anyway.

[MayBee]

ha! Thanks Rich!
From one of the links you googled me:
[From FSU, not Al Gore]

For the same reasons, the cutting and burning of wood for curing tobacco adds to the greenhouse effect.

The smoke from cigarettes also contains greenhouse gases. Cigarette smoke contains carbon dioxide and methane. Smoking worldwide releases about 2.6 billion kilograms of carbon dioxide in the air every year. It also releases about 5.2 billion kilograms of methane every year. Tobacco growing, curing, and smoking all add to the greenhouse effect and global warming.

Deforestation!
Global Warming!
National ill health!

A trifecta of badness.

[clarice]

I knoe exactly what TM is up to. Hsving heard my sob stories about Chantix he's trying to push Obama to use it and zombie out for the next three months while it works its anti-smoking magic.
You devil!

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Oh for Christ's sakes, guys. Relapse is part of recovery, and sure enough, denial is part of the way people deal with addiction. (You think it isn't always? How is it that people maintain the illusion that it isn't really going to hurt them until COPD or carcinoma comes to call.)

There's plenty of mendacity to point to with Obama; we don't need to get caught up in his smoking.

[clarice]

Man, I hate Buddhists. They are so full of Christian charity. (Smooches.Charlie)

[Jane]

There's plenty of mendacity to point to with Obama; we don't need to get caught up in his smoking.

I think most of us are just concerned with what he is doing to the planet. Oh and all the kids who will be denied health care when he eats more than his fair share of it.

It's for the children Charlie.

[Ranger]

Soylent Red,

Good point. I had overlooked the "Flawed Hero" aspect.

[PeterUK]

This is a very revealing story,if Michelle bosses Barack about,what will she do to the rest of you if her husband becomes POTUS? Hillary was bad enough,with Michelle you will get a STOPUS.

[M. Simon]

Inability to quit smoking is often a sign of some degree of schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia and Tobacco

You know the "I hear voices people".

Mold schizophrenia is considered an adjunct to creativity.

[M. Simon]

Mild schizophrenia is considered an adjunct to creativity.

[M. Simon]

Relapse is part of recovery, and sure enough, denial is part of the way people deal with addiction.

That statement is totally bogus.

Do we consider insulin junkies are having a relapse when they go back to being drug fiends? People take drugs because they need them.

I can't wait until the drug war gets the global warming treatment. It is just as much a religion on the right as AGW is on the left.

[M. Simon]

And why are the Drug War folks keeping quiet about the latest scientific studies?

For the same reason "scientists" have cooked the AGW books. Follow the money. It all leads back to the DEA budget.

I'm going to say flat out that the whole idea of addiction is a hoax. There are no addicts. There are people who are genetically predisposed to cannibinoid or endorphin deficiencies. Those deficiencies are triggered by trauma.

And yes I have spent the last 8 years studying the science while the rest of you were listening to DEA handouts.

[M. Simon]

Any one want to discuss?

I have 8 years worth of scientific and medical ammunition. What have you got?

[Sue]

What have you got?

An addiction? You want it? I'll give it to you. ::grin::

Jeeze, Simon, I hope I'm misreading the tone of your posts. Otherwise, I'd say you need some of my drug of choice. The one that keeps truck drivers from killing people. Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette. Puff, puff, puff, your life away...

[M. Simon]

Sue,

I smoke cigarettes myself. I roll my own. I can't afford ready mades.

I'm just as intolerant of ignorance on the right as on the left. It must be the 15 years I spent with the Libertarians.

Is Addiction Real?

Addiction Is A Genetic Disease

Heroin

PTSD and the Endocannabinoid System

[Sue]

I smoke cigarettes myself.

So that means you don't want my addiction? ::sigh:: Lesson learned folks. Once you get it, you can't give it away.

[M. Simon]

And no Sue, you did not mistake my tone.

Let me put it to you this way. The "addiction disease" is right up there with AGW as a scam perpetrated on the public.

It is now official policy at the NIDA that addiction is a genetic disease. You know when they take a position against interest the evidence must be pretty sound. It is.

The deal is I figured it out from open sources about 4 years before the NIDA came around.

[M. Simon]

So if you can't quit odds are you are mildly schizophrenic. Welcome to the creativity club. Others should be so lucky.

[M. Simon]

What drives me nuts is that so few people (clarice are you listening dear?) are interested in the evidence.

The government is scamming the country out of $50bn a year in direct costs and it doesn't seem to be a hot topic.

Not on the left and not on the right.