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After his trip to Iraq Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC) felt the need to tell a story about how he couldnt get into a gym early in the morning because he didnt have the proper security credentials. Instead of going back to his room and getting... [Read More]

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MayBee

Oh please please please please please let the two-bit security guard be a Blackwater guy.

Porchlight

Heh, MayBee. That would be tops.

Do soldiers have "supervisors"?

Porchlight

I should say, I do think McHenry's comment was obnoxious. But is he a "monster" as Atrios called him? Gosh, these guys must have desk drawers full of smelling salts - I don't know how they survive the daily outrage.

bgates

I can find no evidence McHenry ever said he had a "favorite war". Atrios' slur has me reeling. What an inflammatory, vicious thing to say.

Anybody remember the howls of anguish from these tender-hearted leftist sites after Kos trademarked "F__ 'em"?

MayBee

At the very least, McHenry sounds like a "Don't You Know Who I Am??!!!" kind of jerk.

Appalled Moderate

Having listened to the youtube in which the comment occurs, I have a feeling the "two-bit" remark might have been made in context of the story, rather than some petulant slam. (It's hard to tell, the you tube does not let the guy finish his story.) because, the part you don't see at the websites is his tale of the missiles subsequently hitting the green zone and demolishing the gym, and his statement on how blessed he is that he was not blasted to smithereens.

At this point, it makes you wonder who the monsters and a-holes are. The ones who play quote gotcha every chance they get, or the people who tell a story on themselves in what looks to be prelude to a celebration of our troops.

Geez, Tom. I think I did a better job debunking this thing than you did. Because -- really -- what difference does it make of the guy was military or not? People who serve in Iraq deserve our respect (unless they show a reason for not deserving it.)

Tom Fan No. #1

You should investigate, Tom, during your next trip to Iraq to support our troops.

That'll shut the lefties up!

Danube of Thought

A jerk, to be sure.

Did some strafing and bombing at some of the linked sites on the soldier/American issue. Maguire had beat me to it on at least one of them.

These clowns sure know how to lead with their chin, don't they?

Sue

See, I read this as a shot against himself.

It’s 5:00 in the morning. I haven’t had sleep. I was not very happy with this two-bit security guard.

What he was thinking at the time, regardless of whether it was a soldier or Blackwater. No one was going to tell him, a member of Congress, he wasn't going in there.

And so you know, I said, ‘I want to see your supervisor.’

See? That is what someone who thinks they have been insulted by an inferior would say.

Thirty minutes later, the supervisor wasn’t happy with me, they escort me back to my room.

Mr. Uppity, member of Congress, was brought down a peg or two by the supervisor he requested.

Of course, he is a bore for saying/thinking it to begin with, but I read the story originally as his own come-uppance.

DebinNC

McHenry's office is up the road from me, so I called. The young lady said it was a "Panamanian contractor" being described. She admitted that he used "two-bit" which he shouldn't have. She also said there was some other lie circulating about an American killed that day, which she is sending me.

Porchlight

AM, that is really interesting. So if I'm understanding you correctly, the context is that McHenry was telling a story on himself, about how he never should have been rude to the security guard who was only doing his job, and to whom McHenry is now grateful.

If so, that changes things quite a bit. Thanks. I need to go check out the YouTube.

MayBee

It changes everything.
What is it with the clean toga club that they are willing to get so upset over what they should know by now are truncated clips and out-of-context words?

MayBee

The http://mchenry.house.gov/>Latest Video Clip at McHenry's website shows an on-the-spot version of the story. It is obviously as AM says.

Now the funny thing is that the left has been going crazy defending a contractor. Which is hilarious.

Appalled Moderate

Porchlight:

It isn't quite that clear cut -- but close enough for extemporaneous remarks. He's clearly telling a story on himself.

Sue

So I was right just from reading the quotes? Damn, I'm good.

::grin::

Porchlight

Thanks, AM (and Sue!). This certainly has been the week for misquotes and quotes out of context.

Cecil Turner

Because -- really -- what difference does it make of the guy was military or not? People who serve in Iraq deserve our respect (unless they show a reason for not deserving it.)

Bzzzt. It matters a lot. Because if the guy is a soldier, we sent him there. That guy deserves our respect; the contractor is a Joe doing a higher-paying job because it's risky . . . he deserves a bonus over similar work in a safe environment.

clarice

That's why they're the clean toga club. If they were normal people, they'd wait until the facts were clearer even if that meant once in a while they'd get a spot or two on their hems. Clean toga club members dash away at the mere sound of a chariot approaching the muddy intersection--they don't wait to see if it is entering it or not.

Ranger

And once again, the age old military saying that 'the first report is always wrong' holds true.

Sue

If the man wasn't telling you he was an asshole and got his, why would he have gone on to say anything about the supervisor being unhappy with him, being escorted back to his room. Oh well, didn't really need to exercise today. The whole tone of his quote says he was brought down a peg or two and deserved it.

Appalled Moderate

Cecil:

When it comes to whether a congressman is dissing a soldier or a civilian who is guarding property, I don't see that much difference (except maybe the guy from Blackrock and Haliburton might be able to quit). Both of them are doing jobs we here would not do for any amount of money.

MayBee

That's why they're the clean toga club

I am forever grateful for your introducing me to this club.
It is so perfect. Perfect perfect perfect.

Cecil Turner

When it comes to whether a congressman is dissing a soldier or a civilian who is guarding property, I don't see that much difference . . .

The difference is huge. The soldier has no choice, the civilian chose the job (and can tell the Congressman to f___ off without being sent to jail). More importantly, we as citizens (and even moreso as congressmen) have a responsibility to those we send into harm's way. There is no such consideration for fellow citizens who choose to be there (except the usual deference to fellow citizens--though in this case even that seems not to apply).

Both of them are doing jobs we here would not do for any amount of money.

Sorry, just wrong. The motivation for a civilian contractor is precisely money. He balances the risk with reward and decides if it's worth it. The Serviceman signs up to defend the nation, and is sent where he's needed. He gets no vote on deployments (or even conflicts), and often ends up in totally unforeseen--and particularly dangerous--situations.

DebinNC

Think Progress ends their McHenry entry with:

"McHenry also claimed that a person died from rocket attacks during his stay in the Green Zone. A U.S. embassy official, however, said “that there were no fatalities from that rocket attack.”

The lady in McHenry's office mentioned another lie going around, and I bet she meant the TP one above. She said a man from Oregon, an engineer she thought, died while McHenry was there. Could it be this man?

PeterUK

McHenry had a very narrow escape,the security guard might have collapsed in tears and have counseling for being called "two bit".Might never have been able to do the job again,compensation might have st in,McHenry could have got himself sued.

The Other Steve

This is hardly a compelling argument, since the game is "Imagine If A Democrat Had Said This".

John Cole has this right, we'd be hearing about it for years. Christ, I just came across some unibrow moron the other day on a blog whining about how Kos said "fuck 'em".

Sue

I can't believe people are going nuts over this.

TexasToast

Woops!

Looks like you got somthing on your shoe there, Tom .........

viva ron paul

The amazing thing is 5 years into this fucking mess and you have to pass a checkpoint to get into a gym IN THE GREEZONE. End this stupidity.

MayBee

Sue- It is like shouting into a black hole, isn't it?

Cecil Turner

Christ, I just came across some unibrow moron the other day on a blog whining about how Kos said "fuck 'em".

The bug-eyed moron said "f*** 'em" about guys killed, burned and hung from a bridge. McHenry said "two-bit" about a guard who wouldn't let him into the gym. Yep, that's pretty much exactly the same.

Sue

Sue- It is like shouting into a black hole, isn't it?

Yeah, sort of. Only I think it is more like how the hell am I the only one who gets it?

GMax

John Cole? John Cole the republican? John Cole the republican who sounds just like a looney lefty and has a whole melange of far lefties slobbering over him on his site? Are we talking about the same guy? Blind hogs + a certain kind of nut + statistics come to mind at all?

Topsecretk9

the thing is, we don't have to imagine a Democrat said this - they pretty much convey this on a daily basis, from the way they treat the stupid "halp us Jonh Karri" volunteers, our military recruiting stations, our troops killing in cold blood - Murtha etc. etc.

Heck, the General Beytrayus ad was a giant collective Democrats saying this.

Sue

I give up. It is like wildfire. With an 80 mph wind blowing. When even Top gets drawn into it, I don't know what to say. ::sigh::

Sue

Lesson to the Congressman. Keep your self-deprecating jokes simple, simple, simple.

viva ron paul

If you haven't heard a soldier say "fuck the x" where x=private contractor" you don't know anybody in Iraq.

MayBee

Lesson to the Congressman. Keep your self-deprecating jokes simple, simple, simple.

ha.

TexasToast

AM

I agree. Quote gotcha sucks.

Like the unmistakable spoken word difference between "AQ and Iran" and "AQ in Iran". Just no excuse for messing that up..... Must be a plot.....

Tom Maguire

I've stolen all of that, thanks.

MayBee

Texas Toast-
Did someone make Jane Hamsher go off on that quote and play quote gotcha with it?
She could have saved herself by reading the whole transcript and seeing the context.

Appalled Moderate

TT:

When Tom gets into these extended riffs on that sort of thing, I usually move on to the next post. Though the "and" vs. "in" was sort of an interesting demonstration of the way mistakes can be amplified all over the web.

(I don't think there is any shortage of that sort of thing on lefty websites, either.)

Cecil Turner

Did someone make Jane Hamsher go off on that quote and play quote gotcha with it?

No kidding. And even if it'd been what she thought, it'd amount to saying "Iran" when one meant "Iraq" (like nobody's ever done that before). If it is indicative of actual cluelessness (like Pelosi's idiotic assertion that Al Qaeda in Iraq wasn't--you know--like Al Qaeda in Iraq), then I think it's fair game. Both these latest stupidities are attempts to find something that'll stick when thrown against the wall . . . never mind how petty or dishonest. It's bad form, and calling 'em on it is righteous.

Topsecretk9

"AQ and Iran" and "AQ in Iran". Just no excuse for messing that up..... Must be a plot.....

"Although powerful Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr agreed to a ceasefire after six days of fighting, Pelosi wondered why the U.S. was caught off guard by the offensive and questioned how the ceasefire was achieved, saying the terms were "probably dictated from Iran.”

I blame Pelosi.

--

The friday tax dump --His Speech Income: $51,855,599

Does anyone remember the Democrats criticizing Reagan for his like 10 grand speaking fees? Hmm mmm

MayBee

TM- Did you get a link to McHenry's website? He has a video there, taken that day, where he talks about what a blessing it was that he wasn't in the gym at that very moment.

http://mchenry.house.gov/multimedia/

It is the video about the Easter Green Zone attack.
It isn't the end of the story on the YouTube, but rather a precursor that explains how he felt about it.

Neo

By any chance was this an al Qaeda in Iran security guard ?

Neo

Speech Income: $51,855,599

His tongue must be sweeter than Spitzer's whore social provider.

DebinNC

And TM, please see my post at 3:29 which I think shows TP was wrong in claiming McHenry lied about someone in the Green Zone dying from a rocket attack while he was there:

"CORVALLIS, Ore. (AP) - A former Corvallis city councilman has died from injuries sustained when rockets pounded Baghdad's U.S.-protected Green Zone on Easter, a newspaper reported."

Jane

Hillary just released her tax returns - She and Bill made something like $109 million over the last 6 years. $51 million was from Bill prattling out loud.

Sheesh

Sue

Shoot. I can talk. For $51 million, I can talk a lot.

Cecil Turner

I think we need a nod to the classic.

Rick Ballard

"Both these latest stupidities are attempts to find something that'll stick when thrown against the wall."

They're just desperately trying to set the stage for Gen. Petraeus' report. The failure of JAM to perform in the manner promised to Dem allies has created a bit of panic among the 'Get The Hell Outta Dodge' crowd. Toss in BHO advisor's 60-80K troops to remain and the Code Pinkos have become rather fretful.

Porchlight

I just made the mistake of going to Think Progress and reading the post and comments. Ugh. But I must admit the spectacle of a bunch of lefties sputtering mad because someone insulted a soldier (or someone they take to be a soldier) is pretty damn funny.

Another thought - isn't the fact that the end of the story is edited out of the YouTube clip pretty suspicious in and of itself?

MayBee

http://www.conservativepunk.com/articles/586/>Here is McHenry in his own words to explain all of this:

It was a poor choice of words... What my thought process was when he detained me.... My point was to tell the crowd my frustration at that moment and to say the Lord works in mysterious ways...
He went on (in that speech) to say we need to honor those that are working for us and sacrificing us.
Porchlight

Aha...now we know why Bill is freaking out. Now that the Clintons' reputation is finally in the toilet where it belongs, those big fat speaking fees are going to dry right up.

TexasToast

Sue

After Bill's steller performance over the past few months, I'll bet the price goes down a bit.

Sue

TT,

So you are saying there will be an opening? Where do I apply? I sure could $51 million. Hell, I'll agree to do it for half price.

Sue

Grrrrr.....

I sure could **use** $51 million.

Rick Ballard

"Hell, I'll agree to do it for half price."

First you have to create a National Monument in exchange for a substantial bribe from James and Maktar Riadi, then you have to sell a pardon to Marc Rich for $1 million.

At that point you will have established your bona fides and can peddle "access" (disguised as speaking fees) for practically any amount.

That may be starting a little high. Perhaps a study of the Rezko trial will provide some clues as to how to get off to a bit smaller start - say a $1.3 million "advance" on a book that had been remaindered for 10 years.

MayBee

Does the Clinton income include the $$ to his foundation and to his library?

Bill in AZ

"two-bit" - words mean a lot to libs... Joe Wilson tried to take down an entire administration for being called "low-level". You'd think we would learn.

Danube of Thought

"The amazing thing is 5 years into this fucking mess and you have to pass a checkpoint to get into a gym IN THE GREEZONE. End this stupidity."

Hey, if things are tough after five years, no question we ought to surrender, right? We can, of course, end this stupidity by continuing to kill the murderers until there are none of them left to kill, or we can...

Well, exactly what can we do? Does this beetle-witted simpleton think that if we simply withdraw, the "stupidity" will end? Or does he think, like Obama, that we should have a 60,000-man "strike force" there for a while? Or does he think, like Obama's chief military advisor, that we should be there for a hundred years?

Let me guess: I think this dolt thinks we end it by hauling up the white flag.

DebinNC

"Hillary just released her tax returns - She and Bill made something like $109 million over the last 6 years. $51 million was from Bill prattling out loud"

Boy, that's really gonna make those fixed income grannies and laid off Archie Bunkers open their wallets as Hillary wails, "I'm being outspent."

MayBee

Here's what I love. Clinton loves to say that he should pay more in taxes because he's rich.
But that did not stop him from accepting his Presidential Pension at the taxpayer's expense.

Bill in AZ- heh!

thelonereader

The amazing thing is 5 years into this fucking mess and you have to pass a checkpoint to get into a gym IN THE GREEZONE. End this stupidity."
D(ot)- Absolutely we should bring all the soldiers home, where it is completely safe and sound for them to go to any gym in the USA, in the middle of the night.
Imagine just how wonderfully safe they would be trying to get into a gym that had Code Pinkers protesting outside,(and I'm talking about broad daylight.)

cathyf
this dolt thinks we end it by hauling up the white flag
I keep wondering if it would fit on a bumper sticker:

THE ONLY UNILATERAL
WAY TO END A WAR
IS TO SURRENDER

...I'm afraid, *sigh*, that it might just be too subtle...

viva ron paul

Dear Devoid of Thought:

Are you satisfied with the progress we are making in creating a democratic iraq that can defend itself and will be an ally in the war against terror?

Myself, I feel stupid just typing that Newspeak crap.

viva ron paul

What "war", you meretrix? You think there's a "war" going in Iraq?

How's that possible when the victorious leader laimed major combat was over 5 ersago?

Neo

Now, if somebody can determine that this "two-bit" contractor worked for Haliburton, my day will be compelete.

boris

progress we are making in creating a democratic iraq

Works for me. Government by elected representitive.

Don't like it? Don't live there.

SteveMG

Are you satisfied with the progress we are making in creating a democratic iraq that can defend itself and will be an ally in the war against terror?

No.

I'm also not satisfied with the progress of the American public school system in stopping the development of amoral, morons who worship crackpot congressman from Texas who think Abraham Lincoln caused the Civil War and that if the US withdraws from the world, all things will be just swell.

Life can be frustrating sometimes.

SteveMG

the development of amoral, morons

Sorry, that was totally uncalled for.

I withdraw it.

Let's say "misguided souls".

Jane

Don't know if this has been posted, via Hot Air and Michael Goldfarb:

Think Progress provides the video, but at no point does McHenry indicate that the “security guard” is an American soldier. In fact, if Amanda had bothered to call McHenry’s office, she would have learned that the security guard was one of the foreign contractors so reviled by the left–an individual who in any other circumstance Amanda would likely label a “mercenary.”

bgates

Myself, I feel stupid
Go with that feeling.

Or just go.

hit and run

See, I actually think the phrase "two-bit security guards" is entirely appropriate and accurate in this situation.



I mean, referring to the clean toga club

narciso

It was a stupid thing to say; then again he can work for McClatchy Newspapers like Bobby
Calvan, who made this type of comment in his
paper's online blog. One wonders if this manufactured 'outrage' is to cover up the release of a fairly good NIE; I wonder

Rick Ballard

Narciso,

I don't. Any more than I wonder whether the mucked up Mucky had his boys start a dust up to get a little negative media coverage flowing.

Do you think Mucky might be a Super Delegate?

royf

viva ron paul

(geez I feel stupid just typing that)

What "war", you meretrix? You think there's a "war" going in Iraq?

How's that possible when the victorious leader laimed major combat was over 5 ersago?

Its called the "war on terror" which is now being fought in Iraq. I'm sure you think that's not the case but this is what Zawahiri had to say in his most recent interview which has just been released.

As-Sahab: And what is the most important field in which this Mujahid vanguard is wrestling with the enemies of Islam?

Zawahiri: Iraq is the most important of these fields.

RichatUF

TSK9-

Does anyone remember the Democrats criticizing Reagan for his like 10 grand speaking fees?

I remember that complaint against G HW Bush. Something about him going to Hong Kong and Japan and getting 200k a speech during the tarriff fight that Clinton picked instead of dealing with the important issue of the time-NK.

Rick-

They're just desperately trying to set the stage for Gen. Petraeus' report...

They have a few more days, maybe the Mahdi can send up a few hundred more maytars. I'd like to see them pull Yassin out of a bag the night before though.

Anyway, who would take military advice from Madam Pelosi and does she sit on any of the committees scheduled to interrogate him?

Rick Ballard

Rich,

There's quite a few non barking dogs to look at right now. Fearless Leader has lost his voice, Chavez seems a tad preoccupied with a hard drive that survived a Predator, Ahmanutter doesn't mutter - hell, even Mugabe appears to be leaving quietly.

Did Mucky start the fight or did Maliki just do a test run to back a request for us to cut back so that the Iraqi government can get to stealing wholesale?

RichatUF

Rick-

Did Mucky start the fight or did Maliki just do a test run to back a request for us to cut back so that the Iraqi government can get to stealing wholesale?

I was thinking about this-maybe it was a probing attack sponsored by Iran to see what the reaction would be? The quick hunda means that Mookie and Ahmanutter were caught a bit off guard by the performance of the Iraqi Army, esp its Special Operations Battalions. As far as looting goes, oil is at $100 a barrel and iirc the budget they agreed to had an oil price in the $50-$65 dollar range. Enough windfall is sloshing around that even the most gluttonous Arab could be shamed. If Maliki can rent enough for his side in Basra that Mookie is looking for a permanent residence in Qom all the better. Khomeinism is just as dead as Takfirism in the ME-in the Dubai Financial Centre the "Islamists" are using British Common Law for business practice and contracts.

Rick Ballard

Rich,

Attach a zillion Ipods to that British Common Law bit to speed seculurization and we would be able to see the end of this. The 7th century really wasn't (and isn't) all that much fun.

Fred Brown

What kind of 'credentials' do you need to go to the gym? I think everybody has run into someone with a little bit of authority who decides to abuse it. I wasn't there so I can't say if this was a "two-bit security guard" or not but I can certainly conceive of a situation where those exact thoughts would have been going through my head.

DebinNC

"I can certainly conceive of a situation where those exact thoughts would have been going through my head."

Exactly. McHenry shared his "thoughts" at the time, which led to his actual words - "I want to talk to your supervisor." How many of us can remember a conversation which eventually led to our asking to speak to a supervisor? I can.

McHenry has been a prog target since his college days... when he stood on a Raleigh street corner wearing an Abe Lincoln mask and holding a "Who's sleeping in my bed?" sign as Pres. Clinton's motorcade passed by.

clarice

I think it was Mickey Kaus who noted of Basra, that he couldn't imagine a quicker way to weed out the incompetents from the military than the Basra operation did. Start an offensive--those who chicken out or flop are out of a job and new guys substituted.

(I suppose Malii's opponents will now find ex-(Iraqi)military testifying against the operation just as Petraeus does. Thos who can do. Those who can't, make trouble for those who can.

Philip

Here's the rest of the story about the left wing bloggers' reaction about McHenry!

http://mchenryrocks.blogspot.com/2008/04/sigmon-has-no-problem-lying-and.html

kim

That's great Deb; "Who's been eating my porridge?'
==============================

DebinNC

From an email to me from Mrs. Sigmon yesterday: "You can also see that we never reported that it was a soldier. We used the term guard. The liberal blogs have turned that into soldier."

But today, we see their initial press release: McHenry refers to American military sentry as "two bit". "American military sentry" means a guard, not a soldier? No.

Lance Sigmon needs to be exposed for the opportunistic liar he is.

Philip

DebinNC
At the same GOP event in Lincoln County where Sigmon's son video taped Congressman McHenry (apparently with the express purpose of finding something for his dad to use to hurt McHenry), Mrs. Melissa Sigmon spoke and said it was her husband's HONESTY that drew her to him. I guess if they are BOTH dishonest, he looks pretty good to her.

You should forward her e-mail message to McHenry's campaign. I feel sorry for Congressman McHenry in the midst of this mud slinging. He tells a story that shows his own short-comings to illustrate a point--not even caring that he is showing he is a real person, and Sigmon plays politics with it. Sigmon helped the Democrats more than anyone else. This was mostly played up in the liberal blogs. Maybe Lance needs to be exposed for the liberal he really is too.

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