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Comments

glasater

Along the lines with "dropping a joint down his shorts" this may be where Brocko's brains are located.

clarice

I think Ranger made much the same points about Brock's knowledge of American history the other day.

ParseThis

Did Winston Churchill say, "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."? Or did somebody learn something wrong?

Neo

I hadn't heard about the Khrushchev belief that Americans are 'too liberal to fight.'

michaelt

Although my link goes to the wrong post.....

SteveMG

JFK & Vienna, Vienna, Vienna.

Not talking sausage either.

My guess is that Obama is so used to easily swimming in anti-American waters that he doesn't realize that there's a vastly different species of anti-Americanism in foreign waters.

Wright & Ayers et al. are not Ahmadinejad & Assad et al.


boris

You could have a point. For Wright & Ayers anti-American is a form of "patriotism". Sneering at flag pin wearers is how they honor the country.

Danube of Thought

This man is not simply a glib weasel, he is an ignoramus. Unfortunately, he is preaching to a choir the majority of whose members do not know in which century the US Civil War was fought. And there are precious few in the press who are able, let alone willing, to point out his errors.

Perhaps the country will at long last get what it deserves--good and hard.

SteveMG

For Wright & Ayers anti-American is a form of "patriotism". Sneering at flag pin wearers is how they honor the country.

Obama, maturing in such an environment (communist professors in college, anti-Americanism in Chicago et cetera), has developed a, let's say, cavalier attitude towards such expressions. Ho hum, I've heard it all before.

My guess - just a wild one - is that he views foreign anti-Americanism in a similar way.

Sara

In an article I linked to on another thread, a commenter left this, which is a good example of what a sad state historical reference is on the left:

Link

Comment from: Adam Franklin

It is the nature of the repuglican party to attract bigoted, small minded supporters. This party has been on the wrong side of history for the last two hundred years. history has shown that conservatives opposed emancipation, opposed women's right to vote, opposed civil rights, opposed child labor laws, opposed environmental protection laws, the list goes on. They have been and continue to be a party of narrow minded, bigoted individuals who never are able to see past their own failings and prejudices. They are a party of exclusion. Period. That is why history has always proven them to be wrong.

Posted: 05/09/2008 11:33am


Patrick R. Sullivan

We don't know what Obama knows about our history, but we know his supporters don't have a clue; he's telling them what he thinks they want to hear.

Thomas Jackson

Unfortunately the education system abandoned the teaching of history decades ago. Few Americans have ever read the Declaration of Independence much less the Constitution. Fewer still can explain the difference between the colonists at Jamestown and Plymouth. Our education system has abandoned the concepts of knowledge in preference to feeling.

I hope I never have a brain surgeon who uses the feeling theory in place of hard facts.

Patrick R. Sullivan

W, famous for his sense of humor, ought to announce that he's appointing Obama a special envoy to Myanmar. Where he could get some experience talking to our enemies, and see where it gets him:

A week after Cyclone Nargis flattened low-lying villages and killed whole families at a time, the military junta finally agreed Friday to allow a U.S. cargo plane to bring in food and other supplies to the isolated country. Myanmar gave the green light after confiscating other shipments, prompting the U.N. to order a temporary freeze in shipments.

The U.N. agreed to resume flights but relief workers, including Americans, were still being barred entry.

....The government, which wants full control of relief operations, has less than 40 helicopters, most of them small or old. It also has only about 15 transport planes, primarily small jets unable to carry hundreds of tons of supplies.

"Not only don't they have the capacity to deliver assistance, they don't have experience," said Mark Farmaner, director of the pro-democracy Burma Campaign UK. "It's already too late for many people. Every day of delays is costing thousands of lives."

On Friday, Myanmar's military rulers seized two planeloads containing enough high-energy biscuits to feed 95,000 people sent by the U.N. World Food Program, which briefly suspended help after the action. The U.N. later agreed to send two more planes to help survivors.

The government acknowledged taking control of the shipments and said it plans to distribute the aid itself to affected areas.

In a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press, government spokesman Ye Htut said the junta had clearly stated what it would do and denied the action amounted to a seizure.

"I would like to know which person or organization (made these) these baseless accusations," he said.

The U.N. has grown increasingly critical of Myanmar's refusal to let in foreign aid workers who could assess the extent of the disaster with the junta apparently overwhelmed. None of the 10 visa applications submitted by the WFP has been approved.

Shari Villarosa, the U.S. charge d'affairs in Yangon, said she met with Myanmar Deputy Foreign Minister Kyaw Thu on Friday to discuss American relief operations.

Myanmar says it will accept aid from all countries, but prohibits the entry of foreign workers who would deliver and manage the operations. The junta is not ready to change that position, Villarosa said she was told.

Sara

In view of this JOM post and others I've seen in the last few days around the blogosphere, I dug up an old post and have reposted it today.

It is Lt. Col. Frances Rice's Open Letter to the Democratic Party. Col. Rice is an African American woman who lays out the real history of the Dems with civil rights and race relations. It is well worth the re-read and as a reminder of how lacking in historical perspective the dems are and especially the Obama campaign.

Open Letter to the Democratic Party

Patrick R. Sullivan

Speaking of history, someone should ask Obama how he feels about reading history books:

IN November, I was found guilty of "racial harassment" for reading a public-library book on a university campus.

The book was Todd Tucker's "Notre Dame vs. the Klan: How the Fighting Irish Defeated the Ku Klux Klan I was reading it on break from my campus job as a janitor. The same book is in the university library.

Tucker recounts events of 1924, when the loathsome Klan was a dominant force in Indiana - until it went to South Bend to taunt the Irish Catholic students at the University of Notre Dame.

When the KKK tried to rally, the students confronted them. They stole Klan robes and destroyed their crosses, driving the KKK out of town in a downpour.

....the Affirmative Action Office of Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis .... ruled that my "repeatedly reading the book . . . constitutes racial harassment in that you demonstrated disdain and insensitivity to your co-workers."

sbw

A pseudo-statement about what passes for liberalism and isn't:

Nothing that has gone before is worth learning because my experience is what's happening now. Other experience doesn't matter because conventional wisdom -- which is my experience -- serves well enough. If something feels okay, it must be okay, because otherwise, I would feel different.

Don't try to confuse me with facts, because there are no facts, only opinions. Despite differing opinions, things can be worked since, although cultures are different and truth is relative, if other people are given the opportunity, they will see my point of view.

There is no doubt because I have no doubt, and no one can tell me otherwise.

Welcome to 2008.

hit and run

TM in the TAKE A STEP BACK:
Set aside his deficiencies in American post-war history (Nooo, not the Vietnam war) and think about this - Obama is still hazy on how many states there are in the Union ... I would tell him to check the flag in his lapel, but of course he won't be wearing one.

You're off here, TM.

Why do you think the flag is an immutable authority in its present state?

Obama can change that.

Change!

The flag!

The United States Flag Under President Barack Obama


RichatUF

Oh brother-another advisor!

hit and run

From Rich's link:

One of Barack Obama’s Middle East policy advisers disclosed yesterday that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas – prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.

Robert Malley told The Times that he had been in regular contact with Hamas, which controls Gaza and is listed by the US State Department as a terrorist organisation. Such talks, he stressed, were related to his work for a conflict resolution think-tank and had no connection with his position on Mr Obama’s Middle East advisory council.

“I’ve never hidden the fact that in my job with the International Crisis Group I meet all kinds of people,” he added.


Neither did Wright hide his anti-American sermons.

But just like Wright, Malley doesn't get thrown under the bus until the relevant issue (in this case Hamas) becomes a matter of public controversy.

Obama: I denonce, renounce and announce my rejection and repudiation of [insert name here] because you think he's divisive and therefore he's distracting.

PeterUK

Who needs all those messy stars when you can have just one? Now there is a pin Barak Hussein Obama could wear with pride.Ayers would be so pleased with his protege.

Rick Ballard

Careful, Rich. This is just another ruse to hide the deep subtlety and nuance of BHO's intellectual agility. It will do no good to suggest that the probability of al-Masri joining Hamas in supporting BHO is significantly above 50%.

He'll just pull the Viennese CurleyMoeLarry option and escape once more. He's that clever.

In reality - why should it be surprising that an unvetted, shallow popinjay of a jumped up jerk have unvetted loose cannon as advisors? It's not as if he has the first clue as to what the job he is pursuing actually entails.

Go BHO! And hope for change...

Forbes

I love the fact that Obama has these various and sundry advisory councils, but apparently no formal advisors. Obama can distance himself from the unsavory by dismissing such persons from their informal post. Does he plan on running his administration with informal advisors?

qrstuv

My guess is that he does know the history but considers the talking to be the part that got the job done.

The bomb, not so much.

clarice

Hit--a good all purpose I renounce________form on O stationery should be a welcome thing to his campaign--It'll save a lot of time over the coming months.

Sara

Forbes, he is the messiah, doncha' know? Why would he need advisers. He is the smartest guy in the whole wide world, just ask him.

Sara

Or better yet, ask Michelle how her husband will make you believe what he thinks you should believe and act the way they decree. Very red shirt/brown shirt and very indicative of their elitist attitude.

PeterUK

Obama does need a snappy disclaimer on his notepaper.HE'S SPARTACUS !

hit and run

Heh, clarice -- and I'm thinking there should be a page on barackobama.com that let's you enter the name and issue that distracts you -- and you get your very own personalized Obama denunciation.

Obama -- campaign

comes to mind for me...

I'm so very distracted by it.

hit and run

Rick:
It's not as if he has the first clue as to what the job he is pursuing actually entails.

Feh.

The U.S. is just basically one big community.

In need of a community orgainizer.

You know who's the most experienced community organizer in the race?

Yup. Exactly.

Sara

Well, guys, we all must be suffering some kind of memory loss. The United States no longer has 50 states, Obama says so, so it must be true. He claims he has visited 57 states and has a couple more to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

hit and run

One thing from that clip, Sara, is that Obama says:

"...Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to, even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it..."

Well. That's a pretty pathetic 99% of the voting shares he wields on campaign decisions, huh.

narciso

It's really a Johnny Smith, "Dead Zone" type insight, He's been to the future where Cuba, P. Rico, Alberta, Quebec, Monterey, &
Sinaloa, Ontario are US states. "Clearly" in
a Tony Stark accent. Because he wouldn't make such a mistake. Only the 'Smirking Chimp" who happens to be the scion of a long standing family; could make that mistake.

Barry seems to be echoing nothing less than Gaius Baltar, from Battle Star Galactica as the educated elitist from an minor colony;(Sagitaron, I recalls) who bears a chip on his shoulder, for precisely that reason. He ultimately betrays humanity, because he trusts too much in the false promises on an implacable foe. At the end of Season 2; he ends up President, because the most
responsible officials who should have prevented him from seizing power,(Adama & Roslin were too ethical to fix an election)
A bizarre spin on the whole chad recount fracas. Consequently, when the enemy came, the humans were forced into the pyrrhic campaign of suicide bombers; due to the infinite regeneration of the enemy. That was the point, that was deliberately elided
in Season 3. The writers were so captivated
by the Iraq analogy; that they missed the point.
The Malley,Powers,McPeak,Cirincione,Ayers,
circle of allies, clearly illustrate this problem.

centralcal

Y'know, we have all heard about Michelle's failing SAT scores. Anybody know what Big O's were?

I think he is exhibiting signs of early Alzheimer's, and at such a young age. So sad!

Paul Zrimsek

The idea is to keep adding stars until the flag is white all over. Then he can wear the pin without shame.

Sara

So tell me again, just who is it who has lost his bearings?

Rick Ballard

"The U.S. is just basically one big communityllective.

In need of a community orgainizerissar.

H & R,

Maybe we should call him the Disowner rather than the Decider? Perhaps that's where his 99.9% vote comes in. Just to show everyone that he has The Wright Stuff.

Ann

I just watched a movie about Jane Austen and loved the fact that they called foolish men a "booby". I think we should transfer this to Obama's campaign. OBAMA A BOOBY or A BOOBY OBAMA.

Catchy, Dontchathink!

Does anyone here really think Hillary would take the VP slot?
(Priority Two)
Isn't she still in this because she knows Obama is a booby and by August they will be begging her for the coronation.
(Priority One)

GnuCarSmell

Some in the audience swooned upon His revelation of Our 57 States.

Others wept quietly.

T-shirt sales were brisk....

ved

Kvetchers. Miss the plague on the train? Someone died and a bunch of people got sick, but there is nothing wrong. I'm always seeing or is that looking or is that hearing; so why do Canadians think it's a conspiracy?

I thought Adama used(seeing) and that's why there was all the death, hearing, pylons trying to kill them and other bad things. Satan UFOd some nylons and they are really humans in perfection before lucifer damned. The creation of the UFO isn't an issue because it isn't human in perfection as lucifer's creation a perversion of God. Why would humans kill themselves killing what they were when they cylons have infinite creation? They are upset at the perfection of what they were and the inability to cease being this?

Burma has enough employees to get the work done. The foreigners aren't needed. We should give Burma the 1.1 billion UN Food Program surplus needed for 'pensions'.

Foreign policies is votes, right?

Sara

Suitably Flip introduces the new custom Obama flag pin

Thomas Collins

Well, at least we can be thankful that B57O was a law professor and not an elementary school geography teacher.

Elliott

I wonder whether Obama drew the 57 from the number of contests the Democrats have? There are 54 listed here. Michigan and Florida aren't listed there because at present they don't have any delegates. If we count Texas as two contests that would bring us to 57.

If Obama hasn't been to Hawaii, though, I find it hard to believe he's been to Guam or American Samoa, so that part of his statement still doesn't make sense.

Is he turning Democrats Abroad, a ragtag bunch scattered across the globe, into a state, and thus making an unprecedented and undiplomatic claim of American power? Probably not, it's just words Manifest Inanity.

narciso

"Quick, someone shut down the random phrase generator" What the heck was that?

jimmyk

Did Winston Churchill say, "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."? Or did somebody learn something wrong?

I assumed (hoped?) that the writer was making a joke at Obama's expense by so baldly misattributing a famous quotation. It was George Santayana who said that.

hit and run

Rick:
Maybe we should call him the Disowner rather than the Decider?

Well, I've laid claim to the phrase the "disownership society" as it relates to Obama.

It's mine.

Google it!

hit and run

Ann,
I just watched a movie about Jane Austen and loved

Oh I love, love, love Jane Austen! And she even wrote a letter to her niece backwards when she was young!

I'd mud wrestle for her, even today.

Ann

Hit ,

Are you saying you would only mud wrestle for Jane?

I am so discouraged! How about you, Clarice? :)

hit and run

Elliott:
I wonder whether Obama drew the 57 from the number of contests the Democrats have?

Oh, I'll be the first to admit that he meant 47.

He had one more to go -- 48. Plus he hadn't been to HI or AK.....50.

He said "fifty" because he likes the rap music of Curtis James Jackson III he was thinking 50 total states before caluclating which he had visited or not ... but his mind was way ahead of his lips. By the time his lips got to the idea that he had one more state to visit plus AK and HI, the fifty was past and gone.

It was a slip -- not evidence of some ignorance of how many states are actually in the US.

But I am more than willing to be divisive and a distraction in letting those who wish to believe he is that dumb believe that he is that dumb.

Because the next time he speaks extemporaneously without the teleprompter -- he will likely give evidence to support the idea that he is that dumb.

And let's be honest. A couple of more beers and I will be making similar Obamaesque gaffes. Especially when I reach the point of "preview is for sissies"...

michael

Having to remember the number of states is a 'distraction.' Let him eat his waffles and his 'cue with the Heinz 57. For a thin boy, he sure gets into his food.

hit and run

Ann:
Are you saying you would only mud wrestle for Jane?

I am so discouraged! How about you, Clarice?

Oh, no. No, no, no!

I'd mud wrestle for you, Clarice, the JOM Jane, and about two dozen other JOM commenters, males include. And especially including the host himself.

I am secure enough in my manhood to say that (and not so drunk that I will regret it!).

And, well, let's be honestly honest -- if any FEMALES want to challenge me on this, well, I'll accept the mud wrestling challenge without question. Bring. It. On.

WAIT...did I say that out loud.

[VIMH: Preview is for sissies, eh?]
Eh, you're a sissy. I stand by it!

Elliott

Via the Instapundit, I see that Dean Barnett beat me to the hegemonic implications.

MayBee

And she even wrote a letter to her niece backwards when she was young

One of my great skills in life is that I can write in cursive backwards without even thinking about it. It's awsome because then you can read it in a mirror.
Other people have less useful talents like dancing, singing, and writing coherently, but that is mine and I embrace it.

Sara

Elliott: Did you see the other article at your link above? ARG poll: Clinton 66%, Obama 23%.

Hillary Ahead in West Virginia...by 43 Points

The other killer tidbit: "45% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary." I'm just curious how Team Obama and Andrew Sullivan are going to spin this beyond calling the good people of West Virginia a bunch of racists (I mean, even if they were in the Klan, presumably they get the same pass on that as Senator Byrd--because they're still Democrats).
hit and run

MayBee:
One of my great skills in life is that I can write in cursive backwards without even thinking about it. It's awsome because then you can read it in a mirror.
Other people have less useful talents like dancing, singing, and writing coherently, but that is mine and I embrace it.

Swoon!!!!

MayBee, I love you. I'd mud wrestle for you. If you've been to you know where, you'll know why.

Barry

"One of my great skills in life is that I can write in cursive backwards without even thinking about it."

Good grief, MayBee. I can no longer write cursive at all. Computer typing has replaced that skill. And when I could write cursive, only I could read it.

Nice skill...

Daddy

Speaking about Not Knowing Much About History, what say we have a competition this weekend to name the extra 7 or 8 states of the US of A that Obama says he's already visited this campaign. The video's on Drudge, Instapundit, etc. (Sorry I can't link to it). Even my 10 year old said, "Unbelievable...He's the guy trying to be our new President?"

MayBee

Oh, Hit! I just saw it. Hilarious! We'd have to mudwrestle backwards.

The downside for me is that I see the backwards PUSH sign on a glass door and just push. It doesn't register that it is backwards and I should, you know, pull.

Barry, ha! My husband and children have a hybrid writing style that I'm not sure anyone can read, including them.

hit and run

MayBee:
Oh, Hit! I just saw it. Hilarious! We'd have to mudwrestle backwards.

Oooooh, I was ready to mudwrestle for you.

But if you want to mudwrestle with/against me, I'm going to need a time and place.

Of your chosing. And I'm there!

As long as it's after 11:00 tomorrow. I've got kids soccer until then.

Oh, and I have to be back by 5. We've got a "grandparents shower" at 6 to go to for friends in our supper club.

We could push this to Sunday -- but church starts at 10:30 and gets out after noon.

And our small group meets at 6.

But other than that -- my schedule is wide open. You name the time and place!!!

Sara

Gotta love Joe!

"I just want to report that this morning I personally checked John McCain’s bearings. He has not lost any of them. They are all in really great shape."

Senator Joe Lieberman
On Senator McCain's bearings
May 9, 2008

Elliott

Jay Cost was wondering last week whether people are truly prepared for such a convincing Clinton victory. It should be interesting.

On an unrelated note, is everyone aware of the fate that has befallen The Very Important Hair?

BarbaraS

How can anyone doubt Obama's intelligence? After all, he has visited 57 states and has one or two more to go.

Sara

off!!

Paul Zrimsek

Only Obama has the vision to realize that where there's an Indiana there must also be a Cowboya in the neighborhood. Likewise, the existence of Kansas and Arkansas clearly implies Ararkansas, if not Arararkansas. Compare the size of present-day Louisiana to that of the Louisiana Purchase; could the rest of it have been cut off so dramatically if not for Robespierriana? While I suppose you could have a Maine without a Backuppe, I wouldn't recommend it. And you'd think East Virginia, Old Hampshire, Old Jersey, Old Mexico, Old York, and Maxxesota would be obvious to anyone.

kim

Thanks for the link, Elliott. Joe looks like he couldn't have said his piece without a teleprompter.
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kim

Paul, if there is a Coloradio there has to be a Colortelevision around here somewhere.
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Jane

Are you saying you would only mud wrestle for Jane?

Perhaps this thread should have stopped right there!

Good Morning peeps. I see Obama has continued with the self-humiliation since I last sailed these shores. Perhaps that is why the sun is shining so brightly.

PeterUK

Of course Obamessiah is going to sit down with sinners,prostitutes and tax gatherers,that is his ministry.
He is a uniter,hence the broad church.

Sue

One of my great skills in life is that I can write in cursive backwards without even thinking about it. It's awsome because then you can read it in a mirror.
Other people have less useful talents like dancing, singing, and writing coherently, but that is mine and I embrace it.

OMG. It is my only talent too. I don't need the mirror to read it. You probably don't either. Awesome.

Sue

One of my great skills in life is that I can write in cursive backwards without even thinking about it. It's awsome because then you can read it in a mirror.
Other people have less useful talents like dancing, singing, and writing coherently, but that is mine and I embrace it.

OMG. It is my only talent too. I don't need the mirror to read it. You probably don't either. Awesome.

centralcal

I am starting to wonder about Barry O -- can't remember how many states we have, or what month it is, or how many more months till the election.

*They* say he is smoking again. Cigarettes? Something else? Just asking?

tom swift

Why are so many twits cluttering up this page with drivel about mirror writing? Really, who gives a rat's patoot?

If those questions are too difficult, perhaps someone can tell me why anybody says that Obama is intelligent. Intellectually, he strikes me as a moderately promising 20 year old. That is to say, essentially ingnorant about damn near everything. But he's not 20 - not even close. Whatever has he done with his brain in the last quarter century? Simply let it lie fallow? What was that jingle about "a mind is a terrible thing to waste"?

Chester White


Obama can't wear a flag pin; Ayers would be stomping on his chest all the time.

kim

Clutter is in the mind of the beholder, my friend. I'm getting insight into the mind of Da Vinci. But you have a great point about a wasted mind. Supposedly this dude is supposed to magnificent at vacuuming up stuff and processing it. Why does what comes out of his mouth seem like such waste?
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kim

Don't changes syntaxes in midstream of thought. It's sort of like talking while swallowing.
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franglo

Ha ha... yeah, they said Reagan was dumb, too. Two-term, vice-president coattails Reagan.

I hope you like tidal waves because one is headed your way this fall!

kim

Chester, (Larry?), we love you.
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Neo

Just wondering .. it wasn't too long ago that we had an Obama advisor talking with the Canadians.

Perhaps, in a move to negate to "bad effects" of NAFTA, Obama has plans to annex 7 of the 10 Canadian provinces as states.

I've often heard that if Quebec ever gets autonomy, then Manitoba and Saskatchewan want to become US states.

Sue

I hope you like tidal waves because one is headed your way this fall!

Something else to blame on global warming.

Sue

Elliott,

Whatever happened to the Plames? They look horrible. I wonder if it is the reality of another wasted 4 years picking the wrong candidate to support? ::grin::

Beto Ochoa

Senator Obama ia addicted to narcotics. Nicotine to be exact. Just like a junkie, his brain will not function without it. If he was just someone who smoked a few cigarettes daily, he would be at a different level of addict but he is a heavy smoker and is being denied his drug of choice. No President since LBJ has smoked cigarettes as a habit and having known LBJ, I can tell you he was not a flustered if he could not smoke. Senator Obama is effected by withdrawal though and quite a bit.
This comment isn't bush league bullcrap or meant to be flippant in any way, it is scientific fact. I can say categorically that heavy smokers make poor workers at any level within an organization. I have worked for decades on complex and sensitive projects for our space and defense programs and the top minds are never heavy smokers.

Neo

I'm pretty sure that “Frank” set Obama straight on Stalin.

Rick Ballard

Karl at PW has another good post up on the Disowner.

Second, Obama has been saying for months that his inexperience is not as important as his judgment. Obama’s decision to surround himself with advisers who think that Israel is the problem with US foreign policy and that we need to get closer to the despotic regimes in Iran and Syria is not borne of his inexperience, but of his judgment.

"Empty suit" may be too kind a description for BHO.

kim

You watch, Lieberman for McCain's Veep. Novak has it that Joltin' Joe asked a Clinton supporter to back McCain.
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kim

Maybe we should call him 'Jilted Joe'. He's going to speak at the Republican National Convention.
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boris

Lieberman for McCain's Veep

It would be a cool move and it probably would win. If "conservatives" desert it might be a close win but with their support it could be the kind of landslide that discredits the hateful left for a generation.

Don't see it actually happening though.

MaggieW

If the voters put Obama in the White House,
we won't clinging to hope, we'll be
clinging to straws.

HoosierHoops

How can anyone doubt Obama's intelligence? After all, he has visited 57 states and has one or two more to go.
BarbaraS:

I think Obama is correct..if you add the Ivy league schools to the total, that would be 58 states plus count Illinois twice ( they always vote twice anyway )
So yea.. he's got a couple more states to visit...

JM Hanes

Elliott:

Normally, I prefer text to the videos & podcasts which proliferate these days, but the Wilson">http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/09/video-eleventh-hour-blockbuster-endorsement-rescues-hillarys-campaign/">Wilson ad is a must see! In fact, it's worthy of a "Special Comment" from TM himself. The Wilsons' world ends, not with a bang. They are clearly going down with the Clinton ship, but a lot of other folks in Washington must be scuttling about, deck chairs in tow, looking to reposition themselves on the USS Obama. Over at HotAir, someone said that the Wilson's civil suit is revving up again. Has anybody here seen any news on that front?

I was fascinated to read that the National Security Archive recently "filed suit to obtain grand jury records related to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg." I would expect that request to be denied and wonder if they are already working on their appeal, which could be interesting. There's certainly a case to be made for unsealing historic grand jury proceedings over time.

I can't imagine that the Libby grand jury proceedings would ever see the light day during our lifetimes, but after reading the Post article, I started wondering about filing FOIA requests for documents from -- and about -- the Special Prosecution. Given the uniqueness of the circumstances, perhaps one could question whether the standard "work product" rules apply when so many other rules appear to have been suspended in that process. Libby's decision not to appeal his case left all of my most serious concerns -- which had nothing to do with his actual guilt or innocence -- unaddressed.

I've heard rumblings elsewhere on the subject of prosecutors' immunities. IIRC, they were not connected to the Duke lacrosse players' suit, so I believe the numbers of people who are growing uneasy about prosecutorial accountability in general may be on the rise. Though some may not care for the implications, it's ironic that the folks who wanted to burn Bush for politicizing US Attorney appointments and the folks who wanted to burn his Justice Department for Fitzgerald's appointment ended up in opposition to each other. Unfortunately, such divisions mean that despite a potentially favorable climate, there has been virtually zero interest in fashioning the necessary legislative correctives.

ajacksonian

Actually those folks looking to the letters may want to re-think that given the nature of some of the pre-WWII letters and dispatches sent. For example, the FDR letter to the Czech and German Nations in 1938 which would come just on the eve of the annexation of the Sudetenland. Yes FDR points out to the lovely treaties involved that *all* should abide by... in signing away Czech territory. Then, after Germany had taken the Czech republic, FDR sent a note to Hitler and Mussolini about how three sovereign nations had disappeared recently! The good old FDR wanted *assurances* that they wouldn't attack a long list of countries. He was even willing to sponsor Global Free Trade Talks! Hey, now *thats* something that would surprise many Democrats today, wouldn't it? Yes those lovely diplomatic letters worked out so well for a world of peace and freedom, no? And before that, looking Goldberg's Liberal Fascism (p. 147) we see congratulatory message from Hitler to FDR on "his heroic effortsin the interests of the American People. The President's successful battle against economic distress is being followed by the entire German people with interest and admiration."

Hard to call that period from 1933-34 to even the eve of WWII exactly *hostile* or that Hitler and FDR were 'enemies'. It is only after the war started did Hitler start up his anti-US propaganda. Right up to the eve of it he had a perfectly acceptable relationship with someone willing to do anything to avoid war... save confront Germany.

ben

"Obama can't wear a flag pin; Ayers would be stomping on his chest all the time."

HEH

clarice

The Wilson's simply argued the appeal of the dismissal of their caes JMH. Nothing new and I doubt it will succeed.
I agree with you that prosecutorial overreach needs some close attention and isn't getting it.
It is unlikely the g j proceedings of the Libby case will ever be opened in our lifetimes though. I see Wilson cut his hair..Hmm

JM Hanes

Clarice:

I contemplated a Valerie as Delilah post but just couldn't make it work. The Wilson endorsement looks more like a hostage video than an ad.

clarice

HEH,jmh.
They both seem to be the worse for wear, don't they?

MayBee

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/the-ticket-has.html#more>Hilarious information about a certain couple endorsing a certain candidate, via the LA Times.

MayBee

I contemplated a Valerie as Delilah post but just couldn't make it work.

I had the same thought, but it was Hillary as Delilah.
Then I thought Wilson must have been lousy.

Neo

Lieberman for McCain's Veep

I second that.

kim

This election can be viewed as a Senate putsch. Might as well get the big boys in.
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narciso

The problem with that theory, Kim, is that they're not putting forth any proposal. You want a windfall tax (god help us, that's nearly as stupid, as the Smoot Hawley and Ford Macumber tariffs) but put it in a bill
see how many co-sponsors you get. Hillary, you're really serious about a gas tax holiday, put it up. McCain has less of a chance; but that's never stopped him from
McCain/Feingold, McCain/Lieberman, (on global warming)McCain/Kennedy (on illegal
immigration) McCain/Durbin (on aggressive
interrogation of AQ terrorists). On second thought, remind mewhy we're voting for him again?

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