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May 06, 2008

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JM Hanes

To clarify my comment above, Beckel was talking about a former mayor in a past election, not this one.

JM Hanes

Rick:

I think a dumbed down press which does nothing more than pass on talking points and asks undemanding questions that can be answered by rote is a bigger problem than a dumbed down electorate. It's all process and horse racing. Even Chris Wallace, who usually does better than most was huge disappointment last week. I truly think that Tony Snow's illness is a national tragedy. He's about the only person I can think of who can actually manage to do a substantive interview with anybody of any ilk anywhere.

RichatUF

Rick-

The "unknown unknown" going forward is whether the NEA educrats have succeeded in dumbing down the electorate ...

Clinton's 1996 re-election is instructive-"moral politics", "building a bridge to the 21st century", and school uniforms.

I'm getting discouraged over McCain's (and the GOP's) chances and it is a bit horrifying to think about what a BHO administration with substantial majorities in both houses will do. I read a graph about his "Patriot Corporation Act" and his buttering up of the Teamsters, and can only think what sorts of disasters will befall us if those sorts of things come to pass.

Hoosierhoops

And Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your division. That you come out of your isolation. That you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives....

mmmm.. 'baby jesus' sounds like he would make one fine basketball coach..he must have missed his calling.

Charlie (Colorado)

To whom do I turn my pundit card back too?

d00d, since when has being wrong been an impediment to being a pubdit?

clarice

Well, Rick and Richard, there's only one thing left for JOM to do--start building the Deathmobile.
http://www.tigersweat.com/images/anim14.jpg

Porchlight
it is a bit horrifying to think about what a BHO administration with substantial majorities in both houses will do.

Here's another one for you, Rich - from the Obama campaign in response to McCain's speech on judges:

"Barack Obama has always believed that our courts should stand up for social and economic justice, and what’s truly elitist is to appoint judges who will protect the powerful and leave ordinary Americans to fend for themselves."

Scary. The linked thread at Volokh is interesting. FYI, Eugene Volokh and Orin S. Kerr are both on McCain's judicial advisory committee

Rick Ballard

JMH,

I have a small chicken or egg problem with the journalism aspect. The educrats have been pushing "tolerance" rather than discernment of the difference between illusion and reality for about thirty years and journalism reflects that fact. Toss in journos desperate attempts to find the actual LCD of their shrinking customer base and "shoot low sherrif, those are midgets riding Shetland ponies" makes some business sense. I agree with you about the overall quality but a dumb audience gets what it deserves. We all just have to learn to tolerate that fact.

Or - cancel and push the OFF button more frequently.

Rich,

'Red' BHO is very beatable and McCain is doing fine with the Muddle. Not so hot with part of the base but the alternative should be enough to drive them ('cause he ain't gonna lead 'em) to the polls in November. It's just a tad more interesting than one might hope. I really expect the final outcome to resemble that of Senator Lamont's extraordinary success.

Jim Miller

First, happy birthday to Sara!

And to LindaK: Those people in the background were chosen to give you, and everyone else, that impression. I was struck by it myself, thinking the Obama campaign had gone overboard in putting a lot of whites behind the Arugula candidate.

kim

Speaking of which, I still think McCain should ask Joe Lieberman to be his running mate.
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Paul Zrimsek

It's interesting that Obama makes a big point of how he will "talk to" America's enemies, and yet he will "require" Americans to get with his program.

I've been trying to work this into a slogan about how "we are the enemies we've been waiting for", but Pogo keeps butting in.

MayBee

"Barack Obama has always believed that our courts should stand up for social and economic justice,

Isn't social justice the catchphrase of Bill Ayers' education policy? Or is that social somethingelse or justice somethingelse?

Sara

Thanks everyone for the birthday wishes, it is a nice and uplifting way to start the day.

Although I think running against Obama will be much easier in the long run, I admit I was pulling for Hillary. I can't believe someone has actually come along to make me feel she is the lesser of two evils.

I don't have the numbers, but if you heard Rove last night, he was giving the numbers of BO and HRC supporters who say they will never vote for the other one. Numbers over 50% on both sides.

I wish I could ask those 91% of blacks who voted in lockstep for Obama just what they think he'll do for them. Don't they realize that he has even less in common with them than he does with the white over-educated voters? I don't like anyone who equates hardship with loss of dignity and making a new victim or victim class. I know it is a cliche, but this country was built on the philosophy of when things get tough, the tough get going, not on them crying about their loss of dignity.

Tom Maguire

I believe the reference to Roosevelt was pointing to the Good Neighbor Policy enacted in 1933.

Maybe. So who were our enemies in 1933? Or by "enemies" did Barack mean "allies and competing powers", which obviously is not the same?

clarice

If you read the JPod article I cited on the other thread he notes that given the huge turnout even if that many RW supporters keep their word and refuse to vote for O, he still stands a great chance of winning--turnout--monry---

RichatUF

Porchlight-

Scary. The linked thread at Volokh is interesting. FYI, Eugene Volokh and Orin S. Kerr are both on McCain's judicial advisory committee

Indeed. A leftist activist court, an indoctrination-for-revoloution educational program, a surrender-and-apologize first international policy, and a disgustingly fawning media-when it all goes badly, he'll have plenty of demonized enemies to blame.


Rick-

That cheers me up a bit. I can't figure out why the GOP has done so badly regarding its House and Senate campaign committees, and I'm pretty unenthusiastic for McCain as it is. It seems that waiting for the Bush administration to hit a grand slam before the end of his term and McCain leading off with a home run with his VP pick is a bit delusional...but there is always hope. Your probably right that BHO won't be able to hide the red til November and McCain does have a Reagan Democrat appeal.

How is puzzling out the prog plantations going?

RichatUF

...Your...->You are...I need coffee...

vnjagvet

You are exactly correct, MB.

Trust me, it is not by accident.

Community organizing, BHO's chosen profession before law and politics, is very often built around the concept of "social justice". The term essentially describes a situation in which someone who is needy in some way should be "entitled" to something they don't have by reason of social circumstances they perceive as "unfair". (Rick could do a much better job describing this than I because his description will be far more entertaining).

Great catch, MB.

A quick trip to the webpages of these worthy organizations will show the social justice term liberally sprinkle sprayed throughout the copy.

It is essentially a lefty mantra.

Porchlight

Isn't social justice the catchphrase of Bill Ayers' education policy?

Bingo, MayBee.

vnjagvet

Happy Birthday, Sara.

Many more, too.

bgates

TM - an enemy is just an ally or competing power who hasn't stopped trying to kill you yet.

Rick Ballard

"social justice"? That's easy. It's the process by which the illicit spoils hoarded by the greedy are redistributed to the community on the basis of perceived needs.

Take, for example, the recent case of Citizen Little Red Hen. Citizen Pig (a member in good standing within the community) accused Citizen Little Red Hen of having hoarded a supply of bread far in excess of her needs. A democratically selected group of fellow citizens made a determination that Citizen Pig's claim was, in fact, true, seized Citizen Little Red Hen's bread hoard and distributed it within the community, with portions divided according to size and the judged sincerity of the pleading of need by each individual (Citizen Cow, for instance, wound up with a greater share than Citizen Horse because Citizen Cow's claim that she could potentially become a single mother while Citizen Horse, having been gelded, could never be responsible for anyone but himself was judged as very convincing). Citizen Pig was voted a double share for having the courage to denounce Citizen Little Red Hen plus an extra share based upon the democratic judgment that his plea of extraordinary need was reasonable due to his obvious gross obesity. That, and the fact that he threatened to denounce anyone who voted against him. Citizen Little Red Hen was remanded to the custody of newly hired (from the proceeds of a community action grant acquired through the benefice of the Right Honorable Citizen Pig) henhouse custodian, Citizen Fox.

Unfortunately, according to the sworn statement of Citizen Fox, Citizen Little Red Hen escaped from the henhouse sometime prior to lunch on Sunday, and neither beak nor feather has been seen of her since. The Right Honorable Citizen Pig has called a meeting to discuss the growing food crisis...

Rich,

It's going slowly - I find looking at the data on prog plantations to be rather depressing.

boris

Turns out the main reason progs are chronically so unhappy is that the world just isn't equal enough (yet).

Who'da thunk it?

MikeS

Who pays a community organizer?
Do they get paid by the hour or by the quantity or quality of their organizing?

Bill in AZ
Turns out the main reason progs are chronically so unhappy is that the world just isn't equal enough (yet).

"It's about securing your portion of the American Dream pie"

...and because there is only one pie...

richard mcenroe

Don't be dissing Barry for his history! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

glasater

Speaking of which, I still think McCain should ask Joe Lieberman to be his running mate

That would absolutely disenfranchise the R base--the folks that know how to work the precincts.
Love Lieberman but choosing him as McCain's running mate would be disastrous.

LifeTrek

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boris
Joe Lieberman to be his running mate

That would absolutely disenfranchise the R base

With Beau Bama as the alternative McCain/Lieberman should pull a lot of Hillary dimorats though. It might be seen as a more honest ticket than McCain trying to convince the base he really is a conservative.

Despite the open hostility from the MSM, mandarin bureaucracy, academia, etc, conservatives are not the problem with the country at this time. IMO something needs to be done about dimorat pathology.

If M/L can call a timeout in the culture war and keep the country intact in the meantime, that would work for me. I would certainly like to see the koskoolaidmoonbats get royally spanked in a blowout election by grownups in both parties that discredits their poisonous hateful carp for a couple of generations.

jimmyk

Did anyone else notice that in listing who "met with our enemies," the man who is above partisan politics not only was ignorant in his history, but only mentioned Democrats. The most obvious example of a president who actually did meet with our enemies was Nixon, for better or worse. Barack just disgusts me.

kim

Kitchen Debate.
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Pofarmer

Ya know, ya'll are thinking to broadly on, "our enemies" I think.

It seems to me that who Barack is talking about being the enemy here is---------Conservatives.

RCH

IIRC FDR did communicate extensively with the Japanese before the war. Japan had some representatives in the US trying to find a way to lift the oil embargo against them, which they believed forced them to go to war to secure oil supplies or to be destroyed as a nation.
Cordell Hull as secretary of state passed messages between FDR and the Japanese but didn't trust them, and in one case talked FDR out of making concessions that would have avoided the war according to the Japanese.
Another problem was a demand that Japan pull out of China to lift the embargo, but the Japanese took this to include Manchuria which they believed was too much. At the time the other countries had colonies so the Japanese couldn't see why they couldn't as well.
So Obama is probably correct if he was talking about the Japanese. Interestingly Churchill and Hitler almost met before the war, but Churchill who was in Berlin at the time refused a dinner (or lunch) invitation with him.

RCH

IIRC FDR did communicate extensively with the Japanese before the war. Japan had some representatives in the US trying to find a way to lift the oil embargo against them, which they believed forced them to go to war to secure oil supplies or to be destroyed as a nation.
Cordell Hull as secretary of state passed messages between FDR and the Japanese but didn't trust them, and in one case talked FDR out of making concessions that would have avoided the war according to the Japanese.
Another problem was a demand that Japan pull out of China to lift the embargo, but the Japanese took this to include Manchuria which they believed was too much. At the time the other countries had colonies so the Japanese couldn't see why they couldn't as well.
So Obama is probably correct if he was talking about the Japanese. Interestingly Churchill and Hitler almost met before the war, but Churchill who was in Berlin at the time refused a dinner (or lunch) invitation with him.

battery

Interestingly Churchill and Hitler almost met before the war, but Churchill who was in Berlin at the time refused a dinner (or lunch) invitation with him.

sophy

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