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GMax

Actions not words. If he would put a Ruth Bader Ginsburg clone on the SC, it does not matter what kind of nuanced nonsense he spews right now, its akin to a 5th vote for stupidity.

The magnificent bastard

When you criticize Obama from now on, please try to incorporate the following themes:

"Even if you never met him, you know this guy," Rove said... "He's the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by."

Soylent Red

I wouldn't say Obama's date is beautiful.

Unless he leaves Bulldoggy at home and takes Scarlett.

kim

Let me get this straight, is he arguing that we shouldn't arm babies?
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bad

TM

Check out Geraghty on Obamas tenure with the Joyce Foundation. Dude will have a hard time explaining away that "accomplishment."

MikeS

It takes all kinds. Some people insist they have a Constitutional right to private phone conversations with international terrorists, others think they have the right to defend themselves against international terrorists.

bad

Unless he leaves Bulldoggy at home and takes Scarlett.

Remember Scarlett is under the bus... She'll need time to freshen up a bit.

bad

powerlineblog.com has a great roundup of Obama and his position(s) on gun control. If MSM gets a clue and actually asks a question, the "nuance" will be quite amusing.

Steve Skubinna

I don't know how "artful" you need to be to describe a consistent record of hostility towards gun rights and self defense. But let's watch Obama throw his entire legislative history under the bus. With any luck it'll be too hard to sort out from everyone else down there.

davod

Gun Ban:
The DC Government is taking this as narrowly as possible. In the home only. Not to be carried outside (For outside the home we each get our own M16 toting DC policeman (Just joking)).

No automatic, or semi-automatic handguns. Does this mean wheelguns only?

clarice

I live in D.C. and considering the perfectly sensible opprobrium with which most Americans regard our public officials, keeping guns out of our hands seems a perfectly sensible restriction.

bad

LOL Clarice

JM Hanes

bad:

Your comment on the last thread about Obama's tenure at the Joyce Foundation was priceless:

Obama did say that McCain denied Obama's accomplishments. Perhaps McCain should apologize for ignoring this one specifically.
I think listing such accomplishments should be a McCain campaign imperative!

JM Hanes

It's amazing how many named and unnamed aides are inartfully misrepresentating Obama's positions! Looks like a vetting problem to me.

bad

Thanks JMH

I think listing such accomplishments should be a McCain campaign imperative!

Or the imperative of one of the 527s that are so scary for BO.

Soylent Red

Remember Scarlett is under the bus...

Aw carp...that's right. Somebody really needs to publish a daily update or live blog from under the bus or something.

PeterUK

"It's amazing how many named and unnamed aides are inartfully misrepresentating Obama's positions! Looks like a vetting problem to me."

Which indicates that Obama is not management material.

bad

Which indicates that Obama is not management material.

Funny you should mention that...

From Mark Hemingway at NRO Corner:

Given Obama's own words in the past, Geraghty notes this explanation for Obama's total reversal on the D.C. gun ban is incredibly dubious. Further, ABC news' Jake Tapper observed back in May that there has been at least 14 instances where Obama blamed his staff, often anyonymously, for misrepresenting his views and being responsible for other campaign mistakes.

So the question for Obama is, "Do you consider your staff to be generally competent? Because if they are, it appears they are frequently scapegoated as your views evolve in politically expedient ways."

Who, if any, will have the $$$$$ to break away from the pack and ask a real question? Or will the evil 527 patrol have to handle this one?


Neo

obviously an inartful attempt

This is obviously more from those low level staffers doing their dirty work while Obama is out puffing a few dozen 'coffin nails'.

bad

John Hinderaker at Powerline:

Barack Obama now poses as a moderate on the 2nd Amendment...

Someone else referring to Obama as a poser. Seems to be a trend...

narciso

Of course, Think Regress has to proveJerrold
Nadler (sadly he's the Congressman for Lower Manhattan) pathetic hypothethicals to Yoo and Addington. Yoo, who did yeoman work in examining comparative interrogation regimes; to prevent the suicide pact that
Nadler wants to convert the constitution into.

PeterUK

"Someone else referring to Obama as a poser. Seems to be a trend..."

Obama is a "poodlefaker".

bad

Obama is a "poodlefaker".

sounds dirty

pagar

"Which indicates that Obama is not management material."
I suggest the word everything could be used in place of "which".

Patrick R. Sullivan

I'm waiting for the moment in a presidential debate when McCain says, 'I'm opposed to the type of SCOTUS justice who can rule that no child-rapist be left behind to be executed, nor that there be a gun available to potential rape victims to defend themselves.'

'I won't be appointing anyone like that to the Supreme Court. How about you, Senator Obama?'

Appalled

Obama seems to need an artful staement on the latest decision. Let me channel my inner BO and see if I can help our candidate...

In traveling throughout these 57 states of ours, I have had to take a lot of positions. Some without a teleprompter. Some, I just pull out of -- the air. If some of these positions conflict -- well, then I'm conflicted. Because I cannot deny these positions, any more than I can deny myself.

But if what I say does not contribute to the air of unity which can and will calm the oceans and cool the fevered air, then all I can say is that what was said was not truly said by me, but said by an aide who was confused, or angry and bitterbecause he could not finish his waffle. Let me then, finish my aide's waffle for him and say that, in speakking for me, the aide did not speak for me, but for some image of me that I do not care to project right now.

Personally, I think it's testament to how far we've come that those who inconvenienced by Obama are not forced to the back of the bus, but instead get to see the underside of the bus.

clarice

Good work, appalled. I hope Brocko steals it.

sbw

Bravo, appalled. With a sense of humor like that there is still hope for change. I appreciate that more of this conversation would help my kids.

bad

Appalled

Toooooo funny!!!!

MikeS

Appalled,
That was a brilliant parody. If Brocko won't steal it I will.

Ranger

So, is it fair to say the Obama supported the DC gun ban before he opposed it?

centralcal

Great parody, Appalled! (It WAS parody, right?) LOL

GMax

Appalled you about to come over to the Dark side?

Hmmm where is my good book. There was a passage about when the lion lies down with the lamb...

Appalled

I am undecided on who I am voting for. (As is my wife, who is far more left than I've ever been. She liked Edwards.)

But I am not impressed by flip flops made under cover of blaming some staffer. Plus, Obama's rhetoric is a comedian's dream, as it is distinctive, and occasionally silly. I'm sure, no matter who I am voting for, I'll be coming up with stuff like this from time to time.

McCain, on the other hand, is not as easy to parody. You can do a Yosemitie Sam, anger management problem riff on him -- but that's not somethng that is going to sound funny in writing...

MikeS

But I am not impressed by flip flops made under cover of blaming some staffer.

Yeah, we're not going to hear any of that "the buck stops here" stuff from Obama.

Apparently, he doesn't do accountability.

Patrick R. Sullivan
Remember Scarlett is under the bus...

As a Seattle talk radio host put it, 'He did not have textual relations with that woman, Miss Johannson.'

bgates

You can do a Yosemitie Sam, anger management problem riff on him -- but that's not somethng that is going to sound funny in writing...
I dunno, Chuck Giacometti was pretty funny.

Kevin B

I did see a leaked version of the conversation which persuaded Barack to flip, (or flop) on FISA.

"You see Senator Obama, since you may be President next year we feel we ought to point out that much of the NSA's work is to sniff out assasination plots against the POTUS. Now if you really want us to have to get a FISA warrant every time we get a lead on a possible assasination attempt feel free to vote your conscience. Also, if you really want the telecoms companies to tell us to piss of when we want to mine their number databases, then feel free to abolish immunity.

"We appreciate that when you kiss Ahmadinejad's ass and lick Assad's boots live on CNN that may diminish the threat somewhat, but we feel that might increase the threat from some other quarters."

bad

Is there mocking going on here? Cuz I don't do mocking.

Sue

Cuz I don't do mocking.

No. You can mock on this thread. It is http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/06/do-not-mock-oba.html>this thread you can't do mocking in.

bad

You can mock on this thread.

Thank you, it was scary for a moment.

Patrick R. Sullivan

Lucky for Barack, Hitler believed in gun control:

Comparing people to Hitler is an easy way for white people to get a strong point across to the less enlightened, or the insufficiently white. Everyone knows who Adolf Hitler was. And everyone knows that Hitler was very, very bad.

....It’s also critical that you avoid the fatal mistake of getting creative and comparing people you don’t like to other evil dictators, such as Joseph Stalin or Fidel Castro. With few exceptions, white people are actually fond of almost any dictator not named Hitler, and your remark that “this is just like something Mao Zedong would do” will be met with blank stares and possible social alienation. This is because, with the exception of Hitler, oppressive dictators share a passion for many of the things white people love- such as universal health care, conspiracy theories, caring about poor people while being filthy rich, and cool hats. Stick to the script and
compare things you don’t like to Hitler, and Hitler alone.

arrowhead

Appalled, that was perfect!!!

bad

From the AP via Yahoo news:

John McCain welcomed a Supreme Court decision invalidating a District of Columbia handgun ban. Barack Obama sought to straddle the subject by saying he favors an individual's right to bear firearms as well as a government's right to regulate them.

Sought to straddle implies he didn't achieve the objective of actually straddling. (or should that be "actual straddle")

Jane

Appalled,

I'm impressed!

bad

O/T Kevin Drum on rumors of Colin Powell endorsing Obama:

So here's an interesting question: how would the liberal blogopshere react if Powell endorsed Obama? Powell remains broadly popular, and there's no question that a Powell endorsement would be a huge boost for Obama. On the other hand, lefty bloggers as a group mostly loathe Powell and would groan at the possibility of him having any influence in an Obama administration. That's sure not change we can believe in.
Porchlight

I like it, Appalled.

Re: Obama and guns - sorry if it's already been linked, but do y'all remember this from a couple of months ago?

Obama and Guns: Two Different Views

In addition, from 1998 to 2001, Obama was on the board of directors for the Joyce Foundation, which funded such anti-gun groups as the Violence Policy Center, the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence, and Handgun Free America. Both the Violence Policy Center and Handgun Free America, as its name suggests, are in favor of a complete ban on handguns. During his tenure on the board, the Joyce Foundation was probably the major funder of pro-control research in the United States.

In fact, I knew Obama during the mid-1990s, and his answers to IVI’s question on guns fit well with the Obama that I knew. Indeed, the first time I introduced myself to him he said “Oh, you are the gun guy.”

I responded “Yes, I guess so.” He simply responded that “I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”

When I said it might be fun to talk about the question sometime and about his support of the city of Chicago’s lawsuit against the gun makers, he simply grimaced and turned away, ending the conversation.

So do you think he's fooling anyone with today's fence straddle? Any 2nd Amendment people, that is. I know the gun haters are already firmly in his camp.


Sue

Porch,

He is trying to drift towards the middle. Which is why it isn't working for him. He doesn't believe it.

Porchlight

Sue,

I agree. I think he knows that "drifting toward the middle" is expected of him now that the primary is over, but it's obvious his heart isn't in it. And we're not the only ones noticing.

bad

From the same article:

The Obama campaign’s strategy largely follows 2003 surveys produced by Democratic pollster Mark Penn showing that if Democrats didn't show "respect for the 2nd Amendment and support gun safety," voters would presume that they were anti-gun. "The formula for Democrats," according to Penn, "is to say that they support the 2nd Amendment, but that they want tough laws that close loopholes. This is something [Democrats] can run on and win on."
Sue

bad,

He said that today. He must have read the same article you did.

Porchlight

bad,

Good catch. "Framing," AKA "lying."

 Ann

The Corner has been covering today's hearing of a House Judiciary Subcommittee where the Democrats tried repeatedly to set perjury traps for Vice Presidential Chief of Staff Mr. Addington and where a remarkable exchange took place between Mr. Addington and Congressman Delahunt (D., Ma.). You have to watch our tax dollars at work and wonder who in the hell ever voted for someone like Delahunt:

I am glad AQ knows what you look like Mr. Addington

Sue

Ann,

People like those in the comment section at Think Progress voted for him.

narciso

He's the sane side of the family that includes Janet Napolitano, Anita Hill's attorney and now Arizona Governor; which means she would pick McCain's replacement right?

Question, what happens when you have throw yourself under the bus:http://sweetness
light.com/archive/countrywide-gave-obama-more-than-dodd> wear a puffy shirt I guess.

narciso
http://sweetnesslight.com/archive/countrywide-gave-obama-more-than-dodd>
 Ann

Sue, Delahunt is a disgrace, just like the other Congresscrooks narciso refers us to:

Narciso's Link

 Ann

Hi Hit, Oops you beat me, again. I love the way we think alike!!

centralcal

Just dropping in for a sec while my dinner is on the stove, but I have to say how nice it is to check in on the thread and see that there are no numerical commenters holding everyone hostage!

sssshhhhh!

Porchlight

I agree central! Feels like the old JOM again. :)

 Ann

Ditto on the Sssshhh, Cent. :)

Hey, I would love to be at the Obama Clinton lovefest tonight. It looks like Lynn Sweet tried to get In:

"Plouffe seemed to appreciate that I took note of Obama’s new standards and then turned to the matter of opening up the Thursday night event. Plouffe said the meeting was closed because these were Clinton’s donors,as if that matters or if they dictate Obama campaign policy. That sounded to me like a lame excuse. What, at this point blaming Clinton? Obama is going to this event so he can get Clinton's richest, best networked donors—the ones who have raised her $250,000 and up on board his campaign."

Clinton Under The Bus

Elliott

Looks like a vetting problem to me.

Obama: Do you expect me to vet, Rightwinger?

Rightwinger*: No, Mr. Obama, I expect you to lie.

bad

Charles Krauthammer at IBD via Lucianne discussing Obama's flapping to the middle:

By the time he's finished, Obama will have made the Clintons look scrupulous.
Jane

The Corner has been covering today's hearing of a House Judiciary Subcommittee where the Democrats tried repeatedly to set perjury traps for Vice Presidential Chief of Staff Mr. Addington and where a remarkable exchange took place between Mr. Addington and Congressman Delahunt (D., Ma.).

Ann,

I sent Delehunt an email today to ask him if he reallu meant to imply he wanted to get Addison killed. I'm sure I won't hear back.

clarice

Geraghty isn't buying the fake birth certificate srory. He thinks the doc is real.http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTIzMDE2OTJiOTkwNmE3MTQwOWZiODYyZTBiMzdhMmI=>Virgin borth

 Ann

Good for you Jane, Reallu!!! :)

What is Virgin Borth, Clarice? Ha Ha Are you and Jane drinking together tonight? without Hit??? :)

eightnine2718281828mu5e

---
numerical commenters
---

BOO!

;-)

Elliott

"Obama is going to this event so he can get Clinton's richest, best networked donors—the ones who have raised her $250,000 and up on board his campaign."

The New Politics of Hope and Change™©®! Behold! Verily I say unto thee, who among us donateth not to Obama, still unto his magnificent lightworking shall be admitted.

And returning to the text:

It is easier for a judicial nomination to pass through the Senate than it is for a "small donor" to schmooze with Obama.

Sue

Hoo!

clarice

Typepad is in the hands of communists and jihadis and it is taking the perfectly brilliant and impeccably written posts by Jane and me and garbling them.

bad

From Clarice's Virgin Birth link:

MR. RUSSERT: But your meetings with lobbyists and so forth, there’s no record of that?

SEN. OBAMA: I did not have a scheduler, but, as I said, every document related to my interactions with government is available right now. And, as I said, news outlets have already looked at them.

Why did Russert let him get away with such a non-resposive answer?

clarice

Why did Russert let Kerry get away with repeated promises to release his military records which he never kept?

Elliott

Someone else referring to Obama as a poser. Seems to be a trend...

Yes, but how many have designated him as such while making dumb jokes?

eightnine2718281828mu5e

---
Everywhere we have met thousands of Democrats, Independents, and Republicans from all economic conditions and walks of life bound together in that community of shared values of family, work, neighborhood, peace and freedom. They are concerned, yes, but they are not frightened. They are disturbed, but not dismayed. They are the kind of men and women Tom Paine had in mind when he wrote--during the darkest days of the American Revolution--"We have it in our power to begin the world over again."

Nearly 180 years after Tom Paine wrote those words, an American president told the generation of the Great Depression that it had a "rendezvous with destiny." I believe that this generation of Americans today has a rendezvous with destiny.

Tonight, let us dedicate ourselves to renewing the American compact. I ask you not simply to "Trust me," but to trust your values--our values--and to hold me responsible for living up to them. I ask you to trust that American spirit which knows no ethnic, religious, social, political, regional, or economic boundaries; the spirit that burned with zeal in the hearts of millions of immigrants from every corner of the Earth who came here in search of freedom.

Some say that spirit no longer exists. But I have seen it--I have felt it--all across the land; in the big cities, the small towns and in rural America. The American spirit is still there, ready to blaze into life if you and I are willing to do what has to be done; the practical, down-to-earth things that will stimulate our economy, increase productivity and put America back to work. The time is now to resolve that the basis of a firm and principled foreign policy is one that takes the world as it is and seeks to change it by leadership and example; not by harangue, harassment or wishful thinking.

The time is now to say that while we shall seek new friendships and expand and improve others, we shall not do so by breaking our word or casting aside old friends and allies.
---

E Buzz Miller, Dr. Rev.

Well, at least Barry is really nice, and smiles and will listen to the young people.

It's all that's important.

 Ann

"she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama's web site and Daily Kos is not genuine."

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health

That sounds like you have no evidence, unless you might have a blue dress.
Like the other people under the bus, maybe, we should find out who Janice Okubo is and where she came from....I know I am very cynical.

Elroy Jetson

bad,
Because Russert didn't want to be accused of being a racist or a media figure not on board Obama's "Love Train".

hit and run

Well, we're off.

To Idaho, that is. We leave tomorrow after I get off work, so this is good bye see you soon.

We're driving this year, and it ain't a short trip.

How long is it, you ask?

11,520 bottles of beer on the wall.

Which, oddly enough, is just how many I plan on drinking in the two weeks we are in Idaho. Give or take a case or two.

Westward Ho!
(that's not racist!)

bad

Elliot

You were the first.

Sue

Hit,

Have fun. Drive safely. And take lots of movies for the kiddos.

bad

Clarice & Elroy

Russert was very tough, non-partisan and incredibly prepared for every guest. We've heard innumerable testimonies recently on that subject.

Porchlight

Hit,

Drink a beer for all of us!

 Ann

Hit, all kidding aside, please get there safely and make sure the bunker has all the provisions for the JOMers after the election. I am counting on you!!


narciso

Did she actually examine the document, or is it more "hope and change" Between the Rathergate forgeries, the Hezbollah
'enhanced images' which appeared on AP and McClatchy, the innocent "Tipton 3" from Birmingham, which turned out not quite so innocent, there have been many assertions that have proven not true, by those who claim "to speak truth to power". Funny how
Mr. Tsvangarai, or Mr. Gomez Manzano, or the Canadian tortured to death in Tehran's Evin prison, never qualify for that status.

That was a rhetorical question, I raised earlier, Obama won't throw himself 'under
the bus' any more than John Kerrey would
for hiring BCCI frontman David Paul, as his
campaign treasurer, in order to take back the Senate. Paul, who was recently released
from prison, commented in his exit interview, how his crime was so small, compared to Enron, Global Crossing, & World
Com. He was the public face of Centrust,
whose chief shareholder was Ghaith Pharoan,
a Saudi businessman who previously had bought out Bert Lance's Georgia bank
holdings in the late 70s. One of Pharoan's holdings, Attock Oil, did come up in the News regarding some govt. contract or another. Terry McCauliffe, one of the major holders of WorldCom Stock, during the
'unpleasantness' of 2002-2003.Shamelessness is an art form with this crew. Just ask Bob Rubin not about his dealings with Enron, Mexican bank holdings, and most recently CitiCorp's subprime portfolio.

bad

God go with you Hit.

Jane

We'll miss you Hit. Have a blast!

Barry
"we shall not do so by breaking our word or casting aside old friends and allies."

"Casting aside old friends", the pavement under the bus is littered with old friends.

Another batch of BS from the messiah.

sbw

Boston Globe online reports, "Three Massachusetts congressmen [including Delahunt] called for a United Nations security force to replace American troops in Iraq as part of a phased plan for withdrawing US soldiers after a new president takes office in January."

Of course, this means the Iraqis are screwed. [Bada boom!]

sbw

Literally.

narciso

It seems the innocent Mr. Al Ajmi, is anything but, it was only innocent Iraqis at Camp Inman, so carry on Seton Hall:
href:<http://talismangate.blogspot.com/2008/06/ex-guantanamo-prisoner-encourages.html>
Check the next post, to see why the smear on Al-Hurra that 60 Minutes did, probably came about.

Porchlight

narciso,

Per the St. Petersburg Times, all Janice Okuba saw was the JPEG image that was emailed from the Obama campaign and posted on Fight the Smears. My sense is that she confirmed that "the layout looks right." She is not in a position of authority to confirm or deny a Photoshop forgery.

No one to date has claimed to have seen or examined the actual piece of paper.

I hate to sound like a nutter on this one, but the image of the Obama birth certificate just looks like a crappy fake, any way you slice it. That doesn't mean Obama was born in Kenya, but at the same time, it is hard to explain.

Number one hinky detail (in my opinion): why black out the certificate number, especially when confidentiality is not an issue? Answer: because it is the easiest element to verify and the most difficult element to forge.

sbw

A link to an article by Bill Roggio on Amji -- middle of article.

Elliott

from the messiah.

I think that was actually Ronaldus Magnus.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

---
I think that was actually Ronaldus Magnus.
---

Yes indeed; Obama sounds just like Ronald the Reagan, and it drives Republicans nuts.

Sue

Where is Kim? I've been trying to find out about the big event that was coming today regarding climate change and all I can find is a Drudge headline saying no Arctic ice after this summer. I don't think it is what she was referring to.

 Ann

Narciso,

I just googled BCCI frontman David Paul, and:

I got Ghaith Pharaon

Are you saying they are the same person?

Topsecretk9

Hi All!

Time for a little "Name that Party™"

A national electric cooperative is claiming U.S. Rep. Jim Cooper improperly entered a private Web site and is now being investigated by the FBI...

...NRECA said Cooper asked for the information but was told he couldn't have it, but that Cooper got access to the Web site and published information about it in a Harvard legislative review.

Cooper said an acquaintance gave him the username and password to access the Web site. He admitted that he looked at the site.

narciso

Yes, the same one, I was trying theTalisman
Gate link by Nibras Kasmi, which linked to
Long Wars and Hot Air, for each link.

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