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June 26, 2008

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clarice

I thought it great, too. I blogged it but who knows if it'll be covered. Maybe the Globe has had it with Axelrod's clients. Maybe the press is waking up--as if from a bad one night stand and asking itself why are we in bed with this creature?

eightnine2718281828mu5e

link

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None of the villagers seems to be able to say for a fact that they saw an American chase the man who fired the B-40 into the woods and shoot him. Nobody seems to remember that. But they have no problem remembering Ba Thanh, the man who has been dismissed by Kerry's detractors as "a lone, wounded, fleeing, young Vietcong in a loincloth." (The description comes from "Unfit for Command," by Swift boat veteran John O'Neill.)

"No, this is not correct," Nguyen Thi Tuoi, 77, told ABC News. "He wore a black pajama. He was strong. He was big and strong. He was about 26 or 27."
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jwest

Centralcal,

Damn it, we’re Republicans! We don’t have to put up with this crap.

If you went to your favorite restaurant and they served you some John McCain, wouldn’t you send it back?

The democrats had the foresight to put superdelegates into the mix to for just this type of emergency……only they did it to override an electorate that they know is less-than-intelligent. We find ourselves in this fix due to a confluence of circumstances that, through no fault of our own, yielded this lump of mush.

But as I said before, we are Republicans.

We don’t whine. We look for viable alternatives and fix the problem.


jwest

JMH,

Stage 2.

Jane

That's fantastic! Don't know why I didn't think of scouting out a web image myself. I have this fantasy about McCain winning Massachusetts -- despite knowing that even buyer's remorse over your Obama clone can't make the sun rise in the west.

JMH,

Me too, but last week Obama was up by 13 points. Deval Patrick is hated - HATED in this state. Last week he came out and said his daughter is gay. That's good for a few Obama points. The other problem is everyone is convinced that Patrick will join an Obama administration and that alone is good for about 20 points. It's complicated. I also think in places like South Boston it is illegal to have the republican on the ballot. I think that was a Kennedy referendum from the 60's altho I'm not sure about that either.

RichatUF

clarice-

Maybe the press is waking up--as if from a bad one night stand and asking itself why are we in bed with this creature?


HEH!! Axelrod client Eliot Spitzer can tell you all about it.

centralcal

Well, I dunno, jwest. Look how well the superdelegates worked out for the Dims. Got rid of the Red Witch and selected the Manchurian (Soros) Candidate!

Uh, and if a restaurant served me John McCain I would indeed send it back and then walk out, shouting loudly as I went for no one to eat at this dive!

PeterUK

"No, this is not correct," Nguyen Thi Tuoi, 77, told ABC News. "He wore a black pajama. He was strong. He was big and strong. He was about 26 or 27."

Even worse, at that age he probably had a wife and kids.
Can you expect the truth though? Nguyen Thi Tuoi and Kerry were on the same side,Kerry ended the war for them.
Kerry still has his medals I see.

Sue

Stage 5. ::sigh:: I can't hold on to righteous anger, no matter how hard I try.

centralcal

jmh, where ever you are . . . according to Allahpundit (not my favorite blogger, btw) the St. Petersburg Times kinda/sorta says they have proven the Obama certification of his birth certificate is authentic. Allah-pu further goes on to say that it doesn't really matter whether he is a naturalized citizen anyway. okay.

All of that reasoning stipulated, then why not just come out produce the certified copy to the media and not via image, but in the flesh, so to speak.

Porchlight

centralcal,

All the St. Petersburg Times did was email the Hawaii people the JPEG that was posted on the Obama site. Janice Okuba confirmed that it looks like a real Hawaii birth certificate, i.e. it has the proper layout. But because she is not (I assume) qualified to determine whether the JPEG is a Photoshop forgery, and under Hawaii law she cannot verify any of the actual information on the certificate, this doesn't really tell us much.

Also, even if there is no issue with his citizenship (I don't personally believe that there is), it doesn't mean there couldn't be other embarrassing information he'd like to keep quiet.

I agree with you, though - if the Obama campaign has the genuine item, why not submit it for examination? Or at least post some better scans.

centralcal

Compared to an actual birth certificate, this certified copy contains very little information. Which leaves very little room for embarrassubg information.

Mother's name.
Father's name.
Child's name.

I don't include birth place, because it is after all a Hawaiian certification. So, for the birth place to be somewhere else, the entire document would have to be a fraud and everything in it could then be questioned.

centralcal

okay, I said all that really poorly. Obviously a fake certificate would make the entire document a fraud. I meant the contents of a fake. Sorry about that -- got granddaughters begging for the computer.

Porchlight

centralcal,

True. That's why I think the weirdest thing is the blacking out of the certificate number - the one element that would be absolutely impossible to fabricate. Everything else could be forged using another certificate as a template. But there is no way anyone could come up with the correct number on their own.

 Ann

I knew JMH was brilliant, but the last two days she has been darn right********glittering*********.

(Can I use that word?? Works for me. :))

Hey, you guys, the african american vs black origin is another thing that points to fabrication, IMO.

centralcal

You are so correct, Ann. "African" rather than "Black." Porchlight is correct too, why the black out of a dang serial number? There is a lot rotten in Denmark about this piece of paper. But why? That is the $.64 question. ha ha.

clarice

The St Petersburg article is sloppy in the ectreme and allahpundit is just tryig to get rid of this issue. It is possible that he was not a natural born citizen which might create a constitutional problem though who'd raise it and who'd resolve it is a mystery to me.
Even if he is not a natural born citisen under the then existing law, he probably was naturalized upon his mother's petition or he'd not have passport.
But whatever the reason for the fakery -----there is fakery I am increasingly persuaded of that.

clarice

(Forget all those obvious misspellings pls..)

centralcal

Hey, lady, you have misspellings? I have whole sentences that are clipped or not well thought out (typing and talking to beautiful granddaughters will do that to ya!)

Porchlight

allahpundit is just tryig to get rid of this issue.

Precisely. And I can't say as I blame him because it really is a loser for Repubs to press this. However, that doesn't change the fact that something is seriously wack with that certificate.

centralcal

Why is it a loser for Republicans to press this? Let us suppose the worst. . . Barack Obama is not a naturalized citizen. Why is that not something to be pressed? I know we live in a climate where our Constitution is supposed to be meaninglessly interpreted, but I think a majority of Americans would have a problem with someone not being qualified to run for the highest office in the land, vis-a-vis our Constitution.

I don't get your rationale, Porchlight, any more than I get Allahpundit's.

kim

If it is phonied up, what on God's Green Earth made them think they could get away with it. Another slightly suspicious point: silence from the Obama camp. They've got highly paid professionals to immediately squelch rumours and this one has been percolating for a couple of days, now. I mean the revelation that this certificate is not on the level.
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kim

centralcal, here's my rationale for why Republicans have to be very careful. I suspect the bottom line is that there is something embarrassing but not fundamentally shameful, and may not reflect on Obama at all. Right now, I think the point should be a phony document on a website designed to debunk phoniness. Just more of the Fabulous Flim Flam Man.
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Sue

I don't think the issue is whether he was born in Hawaii. I think the issue is a personal one he wanted to keep hidden. And since the only 2 possibilities from the Certificate of Live Birth are his name and his father, I'm going with either of those 2. If he had changed his name after reaching majority, would his birth certificate reflect that? I'm sure it would. I am also holding open there was no father listed. I don't think it is a constitutional issue. He has had to provide his birth certificate to too many different places for him to think everyone of them will remain silent on the issue of where he was born.

 Ann

Well, they are going to continue calling us racists regardless of what we do or say. If Jim Geraghty doesn't want to tackle it, I can think of a few that would, like Dick Morris, RUSH, Mark Levin, Hannity.

I agree with Kim, in that, we need to start this out purely as a question of why they are posting a fake document. See where it goes from there.

My worry is that the Obama camp wants us to question his citizenship so they can again call us cynical, bigoted, racists that
don't want change and have no hope, blah, blah..got ya.

One thing is certain, I smell a fake and Centracal is absolutely right in wanting to press the question.

centralcal

Okay, Sue and Kim, what could be so embarrassing? I can only think it would be his name. Maybe he's Barry "Jones" and he just adopted the Barack Hussein Obama II (daddy's name) at a certain age, without legally changing his name? Okay, that would be embarrassing, plus Barry Whatever doesn't have the gravitas of Barack H. Obama? Got it.

The father's name on the birth cert. -- eh -- we already know daddy deserted mommy, and she would have to be the one to provide that info to the hospital. So not really any big deal in this day and age if she bitterly clung to her maiden name and didn't list daddy.

I come back to it having to be his "legal" name or his birth place.

bad

I'm leaning toward the idea that the Obama camp set up the situation to look suspicious in order to have another victim card to play.

"Conservatives are evil smearmiesters, blah blah blah. I told you they would stop at nothing blah blah blah. This is the moment we take back America blah blah blah"

Dude came out of Chicago politics. 'nuff said

centralcal

Well, bad. You are probably most correct. The "certification" is probably a dummy with just enough correct information.

Yet, Barry O has let it stand as authentic to battle "smears" and maybe, have the last laugh.

Whatever. It all goes back to character then, doesn't it?

Sue

I'll be honest with you, if JMH hadn't thrown her weight behind the document being fake, I wouldn't give it a second look. In fact, I was doing jus that, poo-pooing the whole thing, when JMH showed up.

centralcal

Maybe Bill Clinton provided the jpeg of the certification of birth. snicker!

centralcal

Exactly, Sue. I think jmh is onto something -- maybe she doesn't have the full explanation for why, but I think she has some very interesting evidence about the what.

bad

Bill Clinton is Obama's father????? gasp

He has been called our first black president...

bad

Sorry about that one, tee hee, couldn't resist. Where is Soylent to save me from myself?

 Ann

You don't need Soylent, bad. LOL (I can see why you would call on him for whatever though ::Big grin::.)

If you compare this to Rathergate, where the document was the evidence, I could see Obama just praying we question him. But it still makes no sense to cross out the number or call him African American when we know they didn't use those terms.

Someone remind me if religion is specified on the orignal document.

For all we know it says Anti-Christ; where is Rick when I need him.

clarice

I believe it says "African", not "African American". His purported dad was African, not African American. He was no kind of American.Which is why the question of whether O meets the constitutional standard for the presidency--natural born American"-- comes into play.

bad

Ann

I have no problem believing the document doesn't pass the smell test. I'm just suspicious that it was created with obvious issues for the sole purpose of making him appear to be the victim of a smear.

bgates

I think the issue is a personal one he wanted to keep hidden.
MOTHER: Stanley Ann Dunham
RACE : White
FATHER: None (Virgin Birth)

clarice

Well, since to dare to question his carp is to be tarred with "smearing him", there seems no way to avoid it.
The document is false.
I have no idea why.
Continuing to stand by a false doc has to hurt his credibility and the credibility of his website debunking"smears".
It is ridiculous for conservative commenters for whatever reason, no matter how good, to pretend there is no issue about the doc's authenticity.

centralcal

I don't think the document is authentic. I am clueless as to why a fake would be used, since it really contains very little information - yet, whoever faked it, didn't get the race right and blacked out a rather meaningless document number for no reason. and they apparently forgot to photoshop the official embossed seal.

It is kinda like Obama himself. Not quite real enough to be convincing, no logical reason for being a fraud. Blech.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

And we still haven't verified McCain's paternity; these questions are critical and McCain's refusal to be tested is demolishing what little credibility he ever had with the public.

Barry

Seems a good analogy is JF Kerry's military records. He promised to release them and never has. There is a reason.

We're not going to see O's birth certificate and it's not because of something embarrasing. Whatever it is could cost him the election, otherwise they would just let it out now. My guess is it has his religion, and it ain't Christian.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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Seems a good analogy is JF Kerry's military records. He promised to release them and never has.
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Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records
Show numerous commendations


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WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.

The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service. Indeed, one of the first actions of the group that came to be known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was to call on Kerry to sign a privacy waiver and release all of his military and medical records.

But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him.

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Many of the records contain praise for Kerry's service. For example, the documents quote Kerry's former commanding officers as saying he is ''one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."
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clarice

I don't know of any certificates of live birth--which this apparently is--whixh list religion. I doubt that's it.

 Ann

"I believe it says "African", not "African American".

Thanks Clarice, for correcting my error. I was very careless.
It still makes me wonder why African would be preferable over
black. (Another question)

Bill in AZ

It's good eightandahalf is back, I thought he had pussied out of his assignment. He posts here for two reasons:
1) To innoculate JOM against Pelosi's Fairness Doctrine. No requirement for TM to post the alternate view when we have our own idiot.
2) To remind us every single day of the galactic stupidity of Obama and his mindless followers.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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pussied out
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I see from your terminology that you've been in direct contact with Senator McCain.

 Ann

Hey, look over there: Well, You Stumped ME

Just your kinda folks!

eightnine2718281828mu5e

Say Ann; is it ok for me to use terms like 'pussied out', 'idiot', and 'galactic stupidity'?

I mean, you've taken me to task for not playing nice, but I've noticed that other people can be rude and it doesn't seem to violate your sensibilities whatsoever.

Or do social norms only apply to one political party?

Bill in AZ

eightandahalf... errrrr.... yawwwnnnnn...

eightnine2718281828mu5e

bill, don't you have some rattlesnakes to milk or something?

clarice

Ixnay on eedingfay the rolltay

ben

"The truth about Obama is uncomplicated. He is just a politician (though of unusual skill and ambition). The man who dared say it plainly is the man who knows Obama all too well. 'He does what politicians do,' explained Jeremiah Wright.. . . By the time he's finished, Obama will have made the Clintons look scrupulous."

Charles Krauthammer


ben

89 sleep walking is still an Obamabot.

 eightnine2718281828mu5e

I was speaking to both of you, go outside!!

ben

89 sleep walking is still an Obamabot.

Barry

"authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. "

Well, 8927, show us a reprint will ya? Funny how that works. Released, but no one gets to look. (the globe doesn't count, might as well have them released to Terresa)

Barry

"I don't know of any certificates of live birth--which this apparently is--whixh list religion. I doubt that's it."

You are probably correct, but I thought some birth certificates did list religion.
Next guess...

ben

89 sleep walking is still an Obamabot.

ben

sorry some glitch kept repeating the message...

Topsecretk9

So it's starting to dawn of the lefty blogs what a clown hour their congressman's show hearing of Addington and Yoo was and how Delahunt's sanction to Al Queda to hit Addington prolly wasn't in their best PR interest, but those splitting atoms bombs with their minds lefty blogs haven't quite realized those worthless hearings of Addngton and Yoo (and subsequent ones to come) are their dear leaders sentiments of them and their so-called "sway".

The "worthless" hearings are scheduled to provide cover for the war funding, FISA and other votes the nutroots don't like, but their dear leaders do. That is how STUPID and insignificant the Kosnuts really are to their dear leaders.

It's kinda quaint the nutters belief. Their leaders think milkbones are enough.

Topsecretk9

sorry some glitch kept repeating the message...

Ben

Don't even worry about it. It's happened to so many people at JOM no one ever thinks anything of it.

Was it Ordi? Who once had like 9 in a row once? What a good sport whoever it was.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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the globe doesn't count
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You're still wrong; the AP and LAT also got copies.

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The privacy waivers signed by Mr. Kerry authorized the release of "a single, one time copy of the complete military service record and medical record of John F. Kerry" to Glen Johnson of the Associated Press, Michael Kranish of the Boston Globe, and Stephen Braun of the Los Angeles Times.
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eightnine2718281828mu5e

Of course McCain released his records to limited viewing for *3 hours*.

But I'm guessing it's A-OK when a Republican does it.

clarice

TS:"The "worthless" hearings are scheduled to provide cover for the war funding, FISA and other votes the nutroots don't like, but their dear leaders do. That is how STUPID and insignificant the Kosnuts really are to their dear leaders."

Exactly right, as usual.

Niters all....

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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Their leaders think milkbones are enough.
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Sorta like the rubes who thought your party was gonna let the Huckster anywhere near the nomination.

I mean, do they seriously think the party elders view them as anything other than ballot stuffers for November?

Porchlight

Centralcal,

Sorry not to have responded earlier, I was out of the house for awhile. I'd say the issue is a loser because if a big noise is made and then Obama produces a credible certificate that says the exact same thing the fake one does, it makes us look like rabid nutters. Alternatively, the issue would be pressed and not resolved (he continues to stonewall) with largely the same result.

It gives him too much cover - all he has to say is "Look at these crazy right-wingers!" - and not only does this issue go nowhere, but he's then inoculated against future scandals. This tactic was a fairly effective pushback against the Swiftees and they had a much stronger case. So ultimately the risk is too high.

But aside from the political realities of the situation, there's no question, I would love to see the issue pressed successfully.

Hope that helps clarify!

ben

"But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him."

This is great. Imagine if for example, McCain had something negative in his records, but his commanders praised him. What would make banner headlines, the records or the commanders? The fact someone signed a commendation at a certain time doesn't mean they don't have an overall negative opinion, as many of Kerry's peers and superiors do. This is a sorry attempt to shield Obama: "look the Kerry story was false, everything against Obama must be too".

Barry

"You're still wrong; the AP and LAT also got copies."

Tonight I'm from Missouri. Show Me.

(globe, ap, lat, teressa, whats the difference?)

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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Tonight I'm from Missouri
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None of this matters to you really; you're just disappointed that someone pointed out you're full o' crap.

 eightnine2718281828mu5e

someone pointed out you're full o' crap.

Posted by: eightnine2718281828mu5e | June 28, 2008 at 12:56 AM

See what I mean, I am full of it, too!!

Barry

"someone pointed out you're full o' crap."

Someone is. The records have never been released to the public, as I'm certain you are aware.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

Speaking of which; be a peach and send me a link to McCain's psychiatric records.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

I know they must be out there because all good Republicans (such as yourself) believe in full public disclosure of a candidate's records, and McCain himself would demand their full and unencumbered release.

Barry

I never claimed McCain released anything. And yes, his records should be released if he wants to be president.

Kerry's records have not been released and never will be.

Barry

"because all good Republicans (such as yourself)"

Wrong, neither good nor republican.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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neither good nor republican.
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Well, I was trying to be charitable.

Now, maybe you could tell us about McCain's psychiatric records.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

Here's your man!

link

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But Mr. Barr has largely disavowed his record in Congress as a Republican, a turnaround his campaign manager, Russell Verney, sunnily referred to as “the journey that Bob went through.”

Now, on the war in Iraq, he advocates for a speedy and complete withdrawal of troops, with no permanent bases; on same-sex marriage, he believes that states should make their own laws; and on wiretaps without warrants, he is fiercely opposed, arguing that the bill that would legalize searches without warrants violates an individual’s constitutional rights.

Mr. Barr says he is running because he is fed up with what he calls years of Republicans turning their backs on the party’s fundamental values of tight spending and limited government.
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Topsecretk9

oh snap, another Democrat coffer filler felon frog marced to the slammer...

The campaigns of "all that are good" trial lawyers are walking the long walk

First Learch for paying people millions to be plaintiffs to be "damaged"

then Weiss for having his "material witness" on a million dollar retainer (/i>and paying plaintiff's)

to Dickie Scruggs who pleaded guilty to bribing to at least ONE judge.(/i>and paying plaintiff's in the Katrina insurance claims it seems as well as retaining his material witness "whistleblowers" still pending)

eightnine2718281828mu5e

link
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Bozzi pointed out Dickie Scruggs' wife, Diane, who has not been accused of wrongdoing, gave the Republican National State Elections Committee $250,000 in 2000.
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Charlie (Colorado)

Maybe he's Barry "Jones" and he just adopted the Barack Hussein Obama II (daddy's name) at a certain age, without legally changing his name?

But as I recall, that was more or less the case for Jerry Ford, too.

kim

Not biting, eightnine; we like live bait, not those artificial lures.
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kim

Kerry, patooie! You think you can argue this stuff better than the Army Captain who was there? I'm not talking about the one Kerry dumped in the river. You must demonstrate a little familiarity with the monster thread from May of '06 before you're worth conversing with on this matter. Please, please give us David Alston in Denver for a reprise of his last performance. Maybe he could give the opening prayer.
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Jane

Good Morning!

Well no answer from Delahunt yesterday. Now that's a shocker! I expect more from those elected to serve the people. Of course he's in the Kerry/Kennedy camp, so I'm sure he has a good reason.

It's hot and muggy here - and I'm destined to spend the day in the kitchen making lobster mango salad, blueberry buckle and boursin cheese for a party tomorrow. Come on over and try some!

Sue

Barry,

My guess is it has his religion, and it ain't Christian.

Somewhere I read that Hawaiian birth certificates in 1961 did not list religion. Not seeing one myself, I can't vouch for the truth in that statement, but I know mine, in Texas, in 1958, does not list religion.

I think the document has been photoshopped, because JMH thinks it has been photoshopped. What I can't figure out is why. The document released, if it was indeed a copy of the one the state sent him, with the exact same information on it, doesn't damage Obama. If father was left blank, it makes him sympathetic, in my opinion. But changing his name from Barry Stanley Dunham* to Barack Hussein Obama II doesn't bring him anything but a hard time explaining it to those who think he is either a Muslim or sympathetic to Muslims.

*an example of what his name might have been

PeterUK

"And we still haven't verified McCain's paternity;"

Unlike Obama he had a normal conception,a mother and a father.For all anyone knows Obama's mother could have adopted him and then registered the birth.

Sue

There is a story I read somewhere about Obama's days at Oxy. His roommate asked him about his name, Barry. A conversation ensued about him using Barack. More cool. This story is why I am wondering if he didn't change his name at that point in his life.

Sue

It would explain the unauthorized look at his passport records by his own people. Was there a copy of his birth certificate with his birth name listed. If it had said Barry without an official document, he could waddle his way through that explanation. But not if there was an original birth certificate.

Anyway, I'm getting carried away with this. For someone who didn't originally believe anything was wrong with the document released, I'm turning it into a Clancey novel. ::grin::

clarice

Jane, do not start eating without me..Yummm

Sue

http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633/output/print>Here is the story where he went from Barry to Barack.

Sue

Barry Obama decided that he didn't like his nickname. A few of his friends at Occidental College had already begun to call him Barack (his formal name), and he'd come to prefer that. The way his half sister, Maya, remembers it, Obama returned home at Christmas in 1980, and there he told his mother and grandparents: no more Barry. Obama recalls it slightly differently, but in the same basic time frame. He believes he told his mom he wanted to be called Barack when she visited him in New York the following summer. By both accounts, it seemed that the elder relatives were reluctant to embrace the change. Maya recalls that Obama's maternal grandparents, who had played a big role in raising him, continued long after that to call him by an affectionate nickname, "Bar." "Not just them, but my mom, too," says Obama.

This part of the story is where my own spidey sense kicked in. Why would he care what his family called him? My own father called me by my childhood nickname till the day he died. I'm not sure he remembered my birth name.

PeterUK

"How strange the change from Barry to Barack".

Sue

You will also note in the original linked story, Barack's father went by Barry while in the US. I think he formally changed his name in 1980. The only explanation that would cause his family to resist.

PeterUK

Anyone who elongates their name is a pretentious prat.

bgates

That's a bit harsh, Pete.

Sue

If his original birth certificate says Barry, the one in the file with his passport, and he wanted to create some kind of plausible deniability of actually changing his name, what better way than to put out a copy of his actual birth certificate (or live birth) that has been doctored to look fake. That way, if one of the earlier ones show up, the ground work has been laid to say "distraction".

centralcal

Good morning. Yeah, Sue, I think it is the name. That's just about all it can be given the limited info on the certificate.

Barry Dunham, the Dem candidate just doesn't have the zing of Barack Obama. It is all about packaging. The raised, defiant chin doesn't come across the same on a Barry as it does on a Barack. And the difference between Obama and Dunham is huge!

Other than that, if Barry Dunham wasn't born in Hawaii, then the whole piece of paper is a fraud, never mind the details.

Changing the subject slightly, why don't nominees for the Presidency have to prove their birth status to at least one agency (god knows we have plenty of agencies) before they can be put on the Presidential ballot? I can't believe we just take people's word for it.

Jane

Why would he care what his family called him?

Because he is a control freak? A pretentious ass? A guy prone to tantrums if he doesn't get his way?

You choose.

Sue

Obama wrote a whole book about his quest for identity, called "Dreams From My Father," and in it he never directly deals with the reasons he reverted to his birth name, or the impression it made on his relatives.

Why would reverting to your birth name make an impression on your relatives?

Sue

C-cal,

I don't think he was thinking president when he did this. It was all about being black. Barry wasn't black. Barack was.

Sue

Jane,

All of those, but his family continued to call him "Bar", so his tantrum didn't work. I think it was a formal name change that caused them dismay.

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