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June 26, 2008

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Jane

I just don't think the birth certificate thing works in any way. There is so much more to point out about Obama - stuff that matters.

Sue

I have a cousin whose middle birth name is feminine, Gayle. He hated it. When he reached majority, he changed it to a more masculine sounding version of his original middle name, Gaylon. His mother was horrified. Still refers to him as the name she gave him. 35 years later. It left an impression on her.

Sue

Jane,

I agree. As long as he was born in Hawaii. And I think he was. I am just bored and letting my imagination run wild. ::grin::

Sue

C-cal,

On your point about proving you were born here, it really hasn't ever been an issue before. At least not in recent memory. I can see a scenario in the future where it could be a problem. Illegal immigrants. If one or both of your parents are not citizens of the US, you should have to prove your eligible for president. Obama is in that position now. One of his parents was not a citizen of the US. If McCain's eligibility can be called into question, Obama should be in that position too.

Sue

I will assume, after reading the rest of the story, his birth name was Barack. So, off to chase other rabbits today.

PeterUK

"That's a bit harsh, Pete"

A very good rule of thumb bgates.

"Grandmother,henceforth I wish to be known as Barack".

"Fine by me Bar".

Jane

Sue,

Even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, get Hillary to track it down.

clarice

". A reader who was born in 1963 at Kapioloni Medical Center, the same place where Obama says he was born, sent me a scan of her “Certificate of Birth,” which the Vital Records Office sent to her in 1997, according to the date stamp on back. Her document includes significantly more detail than Obama’s, such as the age, race, birth place, occupation, and address of both parents, the signatures of both parents, signature of the attending physician, name of hospital, and other information. Her document also includes an embossed seal and a separate stamp/signature from the VR office that certifies the birth, just like Patricia Decosta’s Certification of Birth, which we have been using for comparison."

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/birth-certificate-conundrum-for-obama/>Another country heard from


clarice

jmh, FWIW, this guy claims that using an overlay he was able to bring up the image of the seal on the back of the doc.

http://www.fotothing.com/joinhunt4yasser/photo/3496ccef01533e6d29b247dc2dba4c43/>Yessir yassir

JM Hanes

I changed the spelling of my nickname when I was in high school, decided it looked silly by the time I graduated, and shifted to the long form of my name when I went off to college. Hopefully Peter will give me a couple of points for using a truncated form on the web!

I was always jealous of one of my sisters, because people gave her nicknames everywhere she went. Later on you could tell when they knew her by what they called her. She was also married once, then divorced but kept her married name, then remarried and reverted to her maiden name. Even I eventually got confused when faced with making introductions, which proved occasionally embarassing.

I gave my daughter a family name I'd always wanted for myself, only to see her switch to her middle name the moment she left home for prep school.

Elliott

From the word association interview:

Glick: Senator John McCain.
Obama: Honorable.

Channeling good old Marcus Antonius*, perchance?

The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answered it ...
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest,
(For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all; all honourable men)
Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral ...
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man….

In keeping with the matter under discussion, I will add that I come to Barry Obama, not to praise him.
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*How many emails would he have sent to Scarlett Johansson?

clarice

Tons--Ask Cleopatra.

Rick Ballard

"I come to Barry Obama, not to praise him."

There's a keeper.

cathyf

I said this in a previous thread -- I started from this question: Assume that the information on the document is correct, but the document is a fake. Yes, in other words, a "fake but accurate" assumption. Can I imagine an explanation for how a faked document could be distributed, even though the information on the document is true. I can imagine a possibility -- suppose one of Obama's weird creepy swooning worshippers had access to a valid Hawaii birth certificate (might even have been the TrueFan's own, if hypothesized TrueFan was born in Hawaii.) Suppose the TrueFan scanned in the certificate and photoshopped it with Obama's (publicly available) info, and posted it on the internet. Once it was posted on the internet, it took on a life of its own.

The closest analogy would be the bin Laden & Bert posters. For those of you unfamiliar with that story... For many years there have been a series of photoshop tutorials which show Bert (Ernie's puppet friend on Sesame Street) photoshopped in with various evil figures -- Hitler, Stalin, etc., with the theme of "Bert Is Evil". Among photoshop gurus this was an in-joke -- there was a long-standing friendly competition to produce the most expert fakes, but also simply a good-natured keeping the joke going. During the late 90's, one of the photoshops produced in the series was a well-done fake of Bert sitting at a table next to Osama bin Laden.

Ok, in 2001, right after 9/11, there were several big anti-American rallies in Muslim countries, and wire service news photos included pictures of posters that the ralliers were carrying that included the OBL/Bert photoshop. After some discussion, it was realized that if you did a google photo search of "Osama bin Laden", the Bert photo was on the first page of the search results -- and that the posters shown in the news photos were a montage, and the other photos in the montage were the other results from the first page of the search.

So, anyway, the emphasis here should be on how a photoshopped fake came to be offered as proof of anything on an official Obama campaign web site devoted to "debunking" myths about Obama. The question to ask (hint, hint, Rush) is, "So, what job will the 'debunkers' have in the Obama administration? Are these the people that you want to have evaluating whether Iran or North Korea have given up their nuclear programs?"

That's where I think the emphasis should be -- even if everything on the doc is absolutely accurate, being too stupid to tell that it's a fake, or, more specifically, hiring people too stupid to tell what fakes look like, means that he's too stupid to be president.

kim

TexasDarlin promises more soon about Hawaiian obfuscation.

No word on the weather conference, Sue. It must not have been earth shaking news. The big news lately, also maybe overblown, is volcanoes in the Arctic.
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PeterUK

JMHanes,

Yes,but,Barack has never grown out of it. Obama has a constructed personality."Call me Barack,but don't call me Hussein".
Who is the man who will have his finger on the button?

kim

Yup, cf, the big story is the fake on his debunking site. That can call into question all the debunking that his campaign does. I'm betting that the real document will an embarrassment that is not shameful to Obama, which can be turned on the critics. Why else would his campaign let this hang, except as bait?

Well, there are other reasons. Paralysis and incompetence come first to mind.
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Rick Ballard

"Who is the man who will have his finger on the button?"

John McCain.

Let's just hope that "What's this one do?" isn't the last thing said as it's pressed.

PeterUK

Mr Ballard,
McCain is an ex-Navy pilot with some nasty life experiences.Just tell him it's the ejector seat button.

Elliott

That was my thought too, Clarice, although Obama strikes me more as Augustus sans Agrippa.

Thanks, Rick. I'm still chuckling over Stevens' headgear.

clarice

cathyf, maybe they are stupid enough to have been duped, but by now they have to know it's fake and it says something that they won't acknowledge it. Heck there are enough people under the bus that a website operator or staffer would hardly be noticed.

Ed Morrissey says the only serious consequences re the certificate would be if Obama was not a "natural born citizen" and he can answer that--and should--quickly by producing(even redacting anything embarrassing) a true certificate properly attested to which establishes the necessary facts. As Morrissey notes, the Dems made such an issue of McCain's birth on a military base that the mattr had to be debated in Congress.
Goose. Gander.

Rick Ballard

I wonder if anyone has gone to the morgue at the Honolulu Advertiser and checked 'Births' for the week after the appearance of The Star.

Is it true that Obama's campaign song is Hark! The Herald Angels Sing?

clarice

Don't know, but I recall reading in several places that (a) there is no record of his parents marriage or divorce(b) At different times two different hospitals in Honolulu were named as his place of birth.(c)No one has been able to turn up a record of his birth at either place---maybe because those aren't public as marriage and divorce records would be.

centralcal

cathyf I think your hypothesis regarding "TrueFan" could actually be a logical explanation. Since I didn't begin following this at the get-go, where did Kos and Fight the Smears allege their copy of the certificate came from? Supplied by the Obama campaign? By Obama himself? If not just anyone can obtain a copy, how did they come to have a copy to debunk rumors with?

Soylent Red

cathyf neglected one important part of the Bert story. Right after the photo of the protester with the Bert/Obama poster, the press ran several stories with unnamed sources commenting on the possible "message" that was being sent out to A-Q cells by including Bert in the photo. Some were suggesting that schools might be a target.

That all stuck with me because I was familiar with the Bert is Evil website, and I thought "Who are these idiotic unnamed sources?"


Anyway...

WRT Obamessiah's birth certificate, is it possible he just doesn't want it made public due to vanity? Like maybe he doesn't want John and Jane Q. Sixpack referring to him as "Barry" or some other nonsense?

I mean, the guy is so venal, I could seriously see this as being plausible. He has constructed his own mythology and image and narrative through his books and speeches. Something on that birth cert is embarrassing to him personally.

Or Obama might just be a Muslim. A Muslim. A Muslim.*

*That was my dog whistle for Agent 89 or some other member of the Obama-ummah to roll out of bed and come defend The Master (PBUH)

centralcal

Please, Soylent, I beg ya . . . no more dog whistles!

kim

It gets increasingly problematic that Obama's campaign can't lay this to rest. Wheels within wheels, I say, maybe big bus wheels. Is this stealth Hillary strategy? Let the PUMA's roar. Hey, wait a minute, I want to bury her, not praise her.
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Rocco

Now where have we seen forgeries introduced to authentic documents to muddy the picture and claim the whole thing is a lie?

glasater

I found the video of Ann Dunham not being able to change Barry's diaper rather interesting:-)

jwest

Once again, let me plead the case for the plausibility of replacing John McCain as the Republican presidential nominee.

It’s obvious that McCain hasn’t won the support of the republican base. MSNBC cited a report that just 8% of Bush contributors have donated to McCain. There is no excitement, the GOP is demoralized and the only hope we can muster is that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

The only thing that could bring the party together with new energy and tons of money would be revolution of sorts at the convention. What would happen?

• Republicans would regain their identity.
• Contributions would pour in.
• The new candidate would dominate all the news cycles.
• Millions of dollars of democrat ad money would have been wasted attacking McCain.
• The new candidate would have the advantage of launching an intensive, concentrated, well funded campaign.

My initial reading of the GOP rules governing the nomination for president showed a number of ways McCain could be bypassed. From a suspension of the rules vote to having a number of state delegates out having coffee at a critical time, once a majority isn’t established on the first vote, the nomination is wide open.

Can we CHANGE from McCain? YES WE CAN.


kim

Heh, Rocco. But wouldn't Scary catch on to that gimmick. Well, no, probably not.
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Soylent Red

I found the video of Ann Dunham not being able to change Barry's diaper rather interesting:-)

Considering she probably squatted over a leaf-filled trench and plopped little Barry out through her grass skirt to the sound of tribal drumming(in order to offer the placental material as thank offering to Gaia, or to be more true to mankind's beautiful primitive past), it's not surprising.

Ann, the Most Holy Mother, probably didn't want to inhibit Young Barry's free expression of poo, or stifle his self esteem. So she never learned how to change a diaper.

kim

From an earlier post, upon whom falls the authority and responsibility to verify the Constitutional requirement of being native born?
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RichatUF

centralcal-

where did Kos and Fight the Smears allege their copy of the certificate came from?

dKos had it in a post as "coming from the campaign" [probably got it from a press release pointing to the launch of the smears site] and the "Fight the Smears" site is an official campaign organ, so it would have to have been posted by one of his IT people.

I just don't see the point of it being fake that a "clear mistake as bait" strategy would be operative. A puzzler?

kim

SR, I'm still betting on midwifery and lax documentation. Somehow, he has established Hawaiian birth but maybe not through a birth certificate. Clarice's hints about two different hospitals with no record of his birth is very interesting. Homebirth appealed to his mother's type. Too bad the passport file isn't public information.
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PeterUK

"I found the video of Ann Dunham not being able to change Barry's diaper rather interesting:-)"

Barack Hussein Obama does not come from a diaper culture.

kim

I'll also bet that he traveled to Indonesia on his mother's passport; at that time I think family passports were issued with the photograph of the whole family, and I am guessing, but the child may not have needed the same documentation as the adult.
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kim

Midwives are pretty good about birth certificates, even the lay midwives practicing by law, but counterculture midwives, maybe not.
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kim

It would be funny if he had been delivered by a sub rosa abortionist.
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kim

Back Alley Baracko.
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glasater

Beside the diaper changing thing--what was intriguing is that the episode occurred in Mercer Island WA--a very upscale community close to Seattle.
Why was Ann Dunham there with a very brand new baby if he was born in Hawaii?

Soylent Red

Uh oh glasater...

Could the Obamessiah be ***GASP***


Canadian?

Soylent Red

By the way...

Through all of this discussion I keep having the memory of Dan Ackroyd, as Beldar Conehead, saying,

"We are from France."

clarice

Who do you propose to substitute jwest?

Soylent Red

How about Bob Barr Clarice?

Or maybe Ron Paul?

Porchlight

So there is a video of Ann Dunham changing a diaper? Can someone direct me to it? I have been changing a lot of diapers this weekend and haven't been able to keep up. ;)

clarice

PHEH--
I like Lt Col Allen West--but I think he ought to win his congressional seat first. I like Bobby Jindal,too, but he's not ready either..

glasater

Could the Obamessiah be ***GASP***


Canadian?

Ya think?:-)

glasater

OK-OK:-) Here is the link on diaper changing .

centralcal

jwest, I second Clarice's question. WHO? Besides none of us are delegates to the convention. I don't personally know anyone who is, either.

A video? Of Obama-mama unable to change a diaper? Good grief. And, hey, good question about the location in Washington. How old (guestimate) was baby-bama in the video?

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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There is no excitement, the GOP is demoralized and the only hope we can muster is that Obama is not a natural born citizen.
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Personally I'm thinking you guys will spend the next 4 months establishing the authenticity of every pixel on the scan of that birth certificate and wake up on the first wednesday of november realizing that obama is president.

So just keep muddling along pretending this has anything to do with anything; all your hard work and myopia will make this country a better place.

clarice

I wish Jeb Bush could run but we know that's impossible.
I wish Thompson had run his campaign better. I liked him the best, but I don't think there are do-overs.

glasater

The gal friend of "Stanley" thinks BHO is a "few weeks old".

centralcal

Okay, watched the video. "A couple of weeks old . . ." Really? And mama-bama had not yet changed even one poo diaper? Managed to go from Hawaii to Washington a mere week or two after birthing baby-bama and no poo diapers?

What kind of carp story is this? I had four babies and I can tell ya, they poo from day one!

Porchlight

Thanks, glasater! I wonder who changed all little Barry's diapers before Ann visited Susan Blake. Maybe Madelyn was doing most of the newborn care - I could easily see that since Ann was so young.

Still, what was Ann doing on Mercer Island with a newborn? Casual trip to the mainland? In 1961? She couldn't have been that poor, then, to be jetting around so easily.

Jane

Jwest (welcome back BTW) given the times, McCain is really the best possible nominee, if you want a chance to win.

glasater

That's what I don't understand either centralcal. Why would any woman in their right mind take a brand new baby on a six hour--bumpy flight--in those days--to Seattle?

jwest

Clarice, Centralcal,

Let the convention sort it out.

If we end up with one of the previous candidates or someone totally new, it would still put the fire back in the party.

This idea of dumping McCain isn’t just me talking. After a dinner party with an insurance executive who is also big in our state’s GOP leadership, he relayed the results of meeting with their fundraising company. Apparently, requests for donations from solid contributors have been met with laughter or outright hostility.

If it were just McCain that was taking the monetary hit, they would ride it out and try harder next time. However, with McCain leading the ticket, the entire GOP downticket structure is suffering big time. The state parties control the delegate elections and if it’s a choice between throwing McCain under the bus or seeing their power base destroyed, guess which one they will choose.

Even if we lost the presidential race with a new candidate, the state parties would benefit from a late surge in interest and contributions. People don’t give money unless they are pumped up.

Rocco

Now I'm not claiming BO was born a Muslim but according to this website,

Child-Birth: A woman goes to her parents home after the last pregnancy rite and stays there till her confinement is over.
centralcal

jwest, I really don't need any convincing. I detest John McCain. I haven't given a contribution since he won the nomination. I get at least 2 calls a week, every week from RNC et al, my mailbox is 2/3's solicitations from the same and McCain's campaign. Don't plan to give one red cent again unless there is a satisfactory VP candidate.

My workmates, all younger than me (some by a little, some by a lot) feel exactly as I do. My family members - ditto.

Personally, not to be cruel or ugly or anything of the sort, I am hoping for a really great VP (Thompson or Romney), McCain wins and is sworn in, and becomes incapacited in some fashion immediately afterward. (Oh, God, please forgive me!)

That is my best case scenario.

centralcal

*incapacitated*

jwest

Jane,

Thanks for “welcome back”.

On paper and according to all the news pundits, McCain has the right set of credentials for this election.

Trouble is, he slid into the presumptive nomination slot because a crowded field split the base vote. As much as he appeals to moderates, he doesn’t have a chance without an energized base.


Centralcal,

I’ve had the same thoughts (liberals must be right – we are evil), but barring the improbable, I doubt any VP pick would make the base rise up with the intensity of Obama voters.

The Convention Revolution scenario makes the bold change that the party needs to wake up.

Rick Ballard

I would just like to take this opportunity to offer my support for the PUMA position. I believe it important that those millions of Red Witch Hillary! supporters be encouraged to take a stand and stick with it through the election.

Let's face it - the election of the Lightweight Vibrator kills any hope of Mrs. Clinton ever entering the Oval Office as anything but an unwelcome guest. I know that many people are capable of resigning themselves to that fact but those of us who are resigned to Mrs. Clinton's debarment should have some compassion for those unwilling to let go.

In that spirit -

Go PUMAs - NObama in '08 - Red WitchHillary! in '12!1!!

PeterUK

"Okay, watched the video. "A couple of weeks old . . ." Really? And mama-bama had not yet changed even one poo diaper? "

What makes you think Obamessiah excretes? He probably emits pixie dust which wafts away on the breeze.

Jane

As much as he appeals to moderates, he doesn’t have a chance without an energized base.

I dunno. I'm not sure it matters. Obama will win it, or he will lose it, and McCain is simply the beneficiary either way. He may as well go on vacation and leave the election to the RNC.

bgates

Sue - Barry wasn't black?
What about Barry White? Barry Bonds? Marion Barry?

JM Hanes

Sorry, jwest, but time's up. There was plenty of sturm und drang here over McCain during the primaries -- which is when we vet potential saviors -- and all but a very few of us will be wearing sizeable clothespins on our noses when we go to vote. The problem, however, is not McCain, per se. The problem is that a real conservative wouldn't have a prayer of winning, and I doubt there's a willing moderate alive today who could energize the purists or the social cons.

I'm not sure anybody is actually mustering much hope that Obama is not a citizen, but it sure would be a hell of a story, wouldn't it? The certification thing is a puzzle, and if there's one thing the JOM crowd likes, it's puzzles. With Obama, frankly, there's not much else to talk about unless the press finally gets around to investigating his stangely blank slate in Chicago. By the time you assess a policy he articulates today, he'll have moved on the new, improved, more artful, policy of tomorrow.

jwest

Let's let the Convention Revolution soak in for a while.

I'm off to perform free labor at my son's house. (can't find an illegal alien when you need one)

clarice

jwest--write a check to my candidate Allen West (Fla Dist 22). I am making a small contribution to the RNC but as I don't trust them to not be stupid, I'm ploughing money to down ticket folks I like . Wm T Russell another Iraq vet is running against Murtha.Let Murtha know how much you appreciate his prok and lies. Send Russell a check and if you're in a position to offer to help him out.

centralcal

Speaking of energized bases -- I think Obama has a portion of one, but not the whole enchilada.

Looking at the daily Rasmussen/Gallup tracking polls shows there are some "energy" problems in Demland too.

Hillaryland is not entirely on board the bama-bandwagon. I can envision all kinds of public and vocal support, but then pulling the lever for McCain. Just my own gut feeling since I have no enthusiasm whatever for this whole race.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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The Convention Revolution scenario makes the bold change that the party needs to wake up.
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You are dreaming; your party is paternalistic and dedicated to social hierarchy.

Only Democrats have the capacity for true self-immolation.

centralcal

Doing the same, Clarice - sending my money to individual candidates, which the internet makes quite easy to do.

Jane

While you guys are doing your part, can you call and deamnd Delahunt's censure?

From redstate:

If you do not call your Congressman today and demand the House of Representatives, at the very *least*, censure Congressman Delahunt, well damn us all. We have no right to carry on our fight.

The number is 202-224-3121 and Congressman Delahunt's email address is william.delahunt@mail.house.gov.

He's part of the Kennedy/Kerry fiefdom.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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at the very *least*
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Too bad he's not a Republican; Bush would probably give him a medal or at the very least commute his sentence upon conviction.

JM Hanes

jwest:

A crowded field didn't split the base. A split base produced a crowded field. While a universally popular presidential candidate might have coattails, when it comes to placing the blame for Republican down ticket problems, I think heavy handed GOP porkers in Congress itself are second only to BDS, and maybe actually first. Generic candidates are almost always more popular than the guys who actually put their names on the ballot. McCain would probably be doing a lot better if all the folks demanding that he court their own particular segment of the base just bit the bullet and spent their time trying to help him get elected instead. IMO, deus ex machina scenarios are less realistic than the idea that more serious scrutiny of Obama will ultimately reveal just how flawed a candidate he is.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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just how flawed a candidate he is.
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obama doesn't have to outrun the bear (perfect candidate), he just has to outrun mccain.

Porchlight

Generic candidates are almost always more popular than the guys who actually put their names on the ballot.

McCain has actually been overperforming the generic ballot. This makes me think that, for better or worse, he is the best chance Republicans have for winning this year.

RichatUF

...obama doesn't have to outrun the bear (perfect candidate), he just has to outrun mccain...

Might be tough given that Obama is a smoker.

BL

Jwest, YES, YES, YES!

This is like a reunion of thunder.

Here are Phyllis Schlafly's thoughts on the historical precedence of what can be done.

"Dark Horse Looks Good in GOP Presidential Race" 12/26/07

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24140&page

I say, let the dark horse be a stallion called Alan.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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Obama is a smoker.
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seems more given to nicorette and patches as of late.

Paull

Since Obama is now calling for "a responsible, gradual withdrawal from Iraq," I wonder how the lefties are feeling? Surely they must have sick feelings in their stomachs, having invested so much hope into the charade of their guy not being a standard politician.

RichatUF

Porchlight-

McCain has actually been overperforming the generic ballot. This makes me think that, for better or worse, he is the best chance Republicans have for winning this year.

Stop trying to cheer me up, its bad enough that Sen. McCain is the standard bearer. It could be worse though. Also JM Hanes, I would quibble with BDS or porkers are to blame. The 2006 disaster was more than anything, keeping Foley front and center of the news, and then chaining him around the neck to every conservative in the race (granted there were many other reasons) and the laughable "culture of corruption" theme the DNC rode to victory. The GOP enabled the Dems to do this by dutifully getting into a circular firing squad.

On the hobby horse of porkers and spending, until the idea of reducing government spending can be sold as freedom, self-reliance, and pro-growth economic policy its always going to appeal to people in the abstract.

Obama could easily claim that the Phoenix probe is Lockheed Martin pork. There you have it, McCain the hypocrite, is a big porker.

RichatUF

damn it...

RichatUF

damn it...

RichatUF

is it fixed

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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I wonder how the lefties are feeling?
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Why quite well, thank you for asking!

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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damn it...
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The tried and true incantation of html hackers everywhere.

PaulL

While it's true that millions of Obama supporters don't know anything about his history or most of his positions, they think they know that he is the anti-war candidate. His rapidly changing stance on the war is going to make a sizable percentage of them bitter. Bitter enough to stay home on election day. Bitter enough that they will never believe another candidate who talks about hope and change.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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Bitter enough to stay home on election day.
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After eight years of the boy-king there's no bile in the liberal body-politic to be spent on obama.

PeterUK

"seems more given to nicorette and patches as of late."

So Obama is only a recovering smoker.
The man who is to lead you to Hopey Changey land is a nicotine addict.How old fashioned.

PeterUK

"After eight years of the boy-king there's no bile in the liberal body-politic to be spent on obama"

On the contrary, liberals are all bile and no brains.

Rick Ballard

PaulL,

Some will be bitter but many more of his "new politics" supporters will simply puke in their laps and wander off in search of someone else peddling mendacity for dopes. "Oh look, a shiny penny" is the actual rallying cry of Obama's 'troops' - aside from the ACORN and SEIU paid thugs, of course.

eightnine2718281828mu5e

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"Oh look, a shiny penny"
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Better a shiny penny than the dim bulbs offered up by republicans.

clarice

Cheer up , possums:
"As the GOP in Congress appears about to be taking an "every man for himself" strategy for the fall elections, Gallup has just given the Republicans another gift (Americans Oppose Income Redistribution to Fix Economy). (Snip) The numbers in this poll are staggering. Overall, Americans are against the core principle behind Barack Obama's domestic economic policy -- income redistribution -- by an astounding 84% to 13%. Republicans oppose it 90%-9%, Independents oppose it 85% to 13%, and even Democrats oppose it 77% to 19%. "

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/gallup_americans_overwhelmingl.html>Hithis economic views

PeterUK

"Oh look, a shiny penny".
Did you bend over to pick it up 89?

kim

You know, eightnine, your schtick today is the simulacrum of conversation. You cite a clause from previous speech, then riff off it into a non sequitor, which usually isn't even witty. I hope you're just having a bad day.
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eightnine2718281828mu5e

link

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The results of another question Gallup asks each April find 63% of Americans saying upper-income Americans pay "too little" in taxes
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eightnine2718281828mu5e

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your schtick today is the simulacrum of conversation
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cleaning day; catch as catch can

PeterUK

"The results of another question Gallup asks each April find 63% of Americans saying upper-income Americans pay "too little" in taxes".
Maybe,but they don't want their hard earned sharing out.

Taxes always fall on the middle classes since the really rich like John F." I married it fair and square" Kerry and the Kennedy Family put thir booty out of reach.

kim

Cleaning up by dumping your garbage over the fence into your neighbor's yard isn't conversationally responsible. You can do better with the mess you call your mind.
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