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July 08, 2008

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Michelle Obama

I guess this explains why the Chicago school system is such a failure. Obama did so much there to improve it and now he proposes to transfer his educational accomplishments in Chicago to the nation as a whole?

No you can't!

PeterUK

"If I had a chance to do it all over again, I would learn Spanish or Chinese if I were interested in furthering my career."


"A true conservative would know, without a thought, that knowing another language is the mark of an educated, worldly person."

So you would rather remain uneducated and unworldly?

Looks like Deranged Digits is back folks.

bad

jimmy tom

i hert Texas is wun a them thar states ful ta bustin over wit folks from mexico. y dont ya go ther and teech them mexican folks ainglish so whenst thay slip over the border an fill up the texican skools hit wood be eesiar to lern um?

carl

Take it one step further and then secede

I would have thought that someone as educated as JimmyJames would know that the Democrats are the party of secession, slavery, and sedition.

Republicans are the "Union Forever" guys.

James Thompson

PeterUK cherry picks one sentence of mine, dishonestly ignoring the next sentence, "I studied French and Spanish to support my intellectual interests."

Raise your game, chump.

And Sue with the Taxa2shits reference. I bet you are the funniest tire changer in Bugtussle.

Note well that no one has attempted to answer my question about the logical fallacy. Of course, none of you actually can answer the question, so my point is made. No wonder you all angrily resort to 4th grade retorts and dishonesty.

Truly, do the Kansas thing I recommended. I am tired of supporting you rubes.

centralcal

Deranged Digits! Too funny, PUK!

PeterUK

"Wow, Clarice takes a wild stab in the dark and misses wildly. I work in software development."

You make rubber lingerie?

bad

jimmy tom thanke kinly fer callin me a rube. that ther is wun a the purtiest jools thay is. thanke God fer red jools and red states.

clarice

HEH!

clarice

You know, first Obama said we had 57 states, then he says we need to learn to speak foreign languages, now he's electioneering all around the world as Dukakis joins the fight to do away with the electoral college--You don't suppose the Dem plan is to turn this into an International Idol contest, do you?


bad

Miss Sue

I herd tell Bugtussle is reel purty in the spring. An i got sum good hand cleener iffn ya be needin sum. tires kin be reel messy but hits honest werk and folks need hit done. that ther jimmy tom is startin ta make me think he don cottin to hard werk or hard werkin folks.

MayBee

From Halperin's The Page:

Aides say Obama had private meetings planned in D.C. but decline to provide more details.

When asked by reporters who he was meeting with, Obama said: “I’m not going to tell you.”

How very 'Cheney's Energy Task Force' of him.

Cap'n Willy

English is the official language of the European Union. Why would we want to preserve Europe's disunity by speaking their local dialects?

PeterUK

Clarice,Could come to that.Address to those Wet Islands off the coast of Europe.

bad

Miss Clarice

sumwun needs to tel that obumma fella he needs ta thro ol jimmy tom under the bus fer talkin bad about them billy bobs obumma needs votin fer him. billy bobs don cottin ta stuck up steeky beeks.

Sue

And Sue with the Taxa2shits reference. I bet you are the funniest tire changer in Bugtussle.

Actually, its Chickenbristle. And I figured out how to change a tire about the same time I figured out how to drive, around 12 or 13. You sorta want to know how to do that if you are on the back of the farm and it's a long walk back for help. It has served me well over the years, knowing how to change a tire, how to change the oil in my car, replace the battery. If you want women's lib, I learned early in Chickenbristle that it didn't make a difference if you were male or female, if you could drive the tractor, you drove.

Sue

jimmy tom thanke kinly fer callin me a rube. that ther is wun a the purtiest jools thay is. thanke God fer red jools and red states.

LOL.

PeterUK

I have visions of Little Boy Blue sat in his Prius after a blowout,late for his hairdressing appointment,trying to find something to cover his head so he can get out of the car.

If the tire changers and hairdressers ever go on strike it would paralyze the entire Democratic elite.

Barney Frank

jimmy tom,

You're a liar and a not very proficient one.
You claimed:
Do a little research and you will find that only a few select blue states do as well as countries like Japan and Singapore in math and science education.

When you acually looked up what your mouth spewed you lied again by stating;

My memory was slightly faulty. I said select blue states, but actually Massachusetts is the only one on a par with the best foreign countries in mathematics.

Massachusets is on a par with Japan but ranks below four other Asian nations in math so it is not on a par with the best.
You also quietly stopped referring to science because your research also showed you that at least three red states are on a par with Massachusets regarding science, which is a lie of omission because it refutes your premise.


Since you, for some less than apparent reason, think you are an expert on logical fallcies please tell us what, if any, logical fallacy(ies) you commit in the following quote. And if you are able to answer please explain how it differs from the one you allege gmax commited:


Luckily for me, I live there and send my children to school there. Their math skills are excellent.


James Thompson

Poor "Barney Frank." Too much of a coward to use his own name, and too dumb to answer my logical fallacy question, so he makes up one of his own.

What's worse, Barney? Being a coward, or being an idiot? And why are those two things so uniformly characteristic of the wingnut bloggers?

PeterUK

"What's worse, Barney? Being a coward, or being an idiot?"


You tell us,so called James Thompson, you're the one with the experience.

GMax

resort to 4th grade retorts and dishonesty.

you rubes

Hypocrite much?

Sue

OT,

It looks like someone is whispering in AJ's ear. I can't see anything new to stir him up again and to link to Atlas Shrugs, and a post dated July 4th. The only thing that could explain AJ bringing this up again is those bloggers that Larwyn and I have emailed are questioning AJ's 'expertise'. I mean, think about it, if you were told case closed, myth busted and then you felt the need to bring it up again, without any apparent new information, the only logical explanation is someone we contacted is asking him questions. QED.

GMax

No fair feeding his words back to him Barney. He is going to call you some bad names now, cuz when you live in a superior educated state that is what you do, show your superior intelligence by calling everyone childish names. Now that does not seem to enhance his arguments at all to me, but hey I was educated in the Midwest and now live in the Southwest so I am sure I just cant comprehend the dolt.

Sue

Last time Jimmy Tom graced us with his presence, he was from http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/06/deceptive-ad-fr.html#comment-119786700>Norwich, NY. Poor Jimmy Tom, too afraid to tell us his real name. But he sure is a rambling man.

Thomas

The problem is that Obama et al parlient le francais de Sartre, Foucault, et Robespierre. Nous conservatives parlons le francais de Montesquieu et Lafayette.

And that makes all the difference.

Sincerely,

A rube-ish conservative who speaks fluent Icelandic and is capable of mangling French, German, and Spanish at least as well as Monsieur Obama.

James Thompson

Sorry, gmax, but you are rubes. No name calling there. The facts are in evidence.

I note well gmax that you haven't attempted to correct or explain your glaring logical fallacy. No doubt you don't have a prayer of doing this. Did you attend the famous Texas public schools too? Private? If private, ask for your money back, chump.

Jane

My memory was slightly faulty. I said select blue states, but actually Massachusetts is the only one on a par with the best foreign countries in mathematics.

Unless you are sending your kids to MIT you have problems in Massachusetts. Blame them on your enlightened Governor.

Jane

Bad, you crack me up.

James Thompson

Jane,

The study in question was about K-12 math and science education, and specifically 8th grade results. Last I checked, MIT is a college. You do know the difference, don't you?

GMax

The same fallacy you used in your oh so smug post? the reason why I posted my own anecdotal post as a conterpoint that two can play this game?

You seem to be a scold and a haughty jackass to boot. That is just my observation and not name calling however. Isnt this funny, dufus?

GMax

Pardon me does anyone have any grey poupon?

James Thompson

Wow, gmax gets angry when confronted with the truth of his stupidity. And, sorry, gmax, but you still don't know the logical fallacy, so, truly, give it up.

And it's doofus, not dufus, you freaking yokel.

GMax

Wow ad homs galore? But they are all in English you prig! Hijo de punta de Taxachusetts.

PeterUK

I always thought Massivechewsets was named after Jimmy Carter.After he's gone I suppose they will have to name it after John Kerry,Massivehairsets.

bad

jimmy tom

im rite prowd of ma multylingwilism. i speek reel good kansas hayseed, texas twang, arkinsaw backwoods, and red state bubba. an when that thar kintuky moonshine gets aholt a me reel good then i kin herl blue state spew pert neer crosst the hogpen. but hogs is smart an all so thay jist look at me funny.

Jane

The study in question was about K-12 math and science education, and specifically 8th grade results.

Interesting since they recently lowered the teaching requirements in MA to require the teachers only have 10th grade reading skills.

I guess the 8th graders are still safe.

Last I checked, MIT is a college. You do know the difference, don't you?

I'm not sure. Can you explain it? I went to high school in Massachusetts which probably explains the confusion.

James Thompson

Jane pulls the 10th grade reading skills "fact" out of her ass. Is this what Rush Limbaugh told you? Did he "feel" this was the truth, as he so famously says?

The wingnuts can't win an argument on facts or with logic, so they simply make shit up.

Pathetic.

Jane

Oh and what's a rube? They didn't teach me that either. Maybe it's French. That's clearly not my strong suit.

bgates

Last I checked, MIT is a university. You do know the difference, don't you?

James Thompson

Gmax

Sorry for being so PMSy with you. Its just that I'm feeling this incredible attraction for you and really trying to fight it. Please say you feel the same electricity between us.

PeterUK

Jane,
No the Wald Dhroot obviously cannot explain it.This troll is so lofty and arrogant, it is probably John Kerry's hairpiece.

GMax

I note the FISA bill today was passed by a margin of 69- 28. The English only version will be signed by the President in the coming days.

I see our friend has degenerated down to barnyard ephitets, so declasse!

Jane

Lofty, arrogant and dumb, like the rest of the moonbats. How quaint.

GMax

No cant say that I have ever thought a jackass was at all attractive, sorry.
But tell you what pucker up and you can KMA.

PeterUK

Dear James,
Ikhlassy akhrasi ya sharmoot wa iftahy khashmik

James Thompson

Wow, bgates really wounded me with that one. I was using college to refer, generically, to an institution of higher learning. Of course I know the difference between a college and university. We have hundreds of both of them up here in civilization, including many of the best in the world.

Another reason I would be quite happy if you rubes would move to Kansas and secede. I'll start a movement to have colleges and universities charge you quadruple, if you can make it in.

bad

Mr. Peter

har har har yer perty neer the goldarndest funniust feller i ever nowed.

James Thompson

Jane, no citation for your tenth grade reading "fact" I see.

I will get that the same time one of you yokels defines gmax's fallacy for me.

Meanwhile, some complete coward appropriates my name with 4th grade homophobic humor. Brilliant. And showing your true colors I see.

PeterUK

Bad,
Thanks,you aren't doing too bad with the city slicker.

bad

jimmy tom

had me wun a them homiphobes once. played the pertiust music til wun a the hogs got inta the records.

Jane

I know it's all about Jimbo here (isn't that the case with every moonbat?)... Did anyone else notice that Hillary cut Obama off at the ankles on the FISA bill?

She voted for cloture - as did Obama - she then reversed her vote and voted against the bill - which Obama voted for.

For some reason the nutroots are most upset about FISA (I have no idea why telecom immunity bothers them so much) and they are apparently nailing the Messiah on his website.

I just don't think the campaign for democrat nomination is over quite yet.

Let the fun begin.

PeterUK

"I was using college to refer, generically, to an institution of higher learning. Of course I know the difference between a college and university."

No you didn't.Explain it.

Barney Frank

What's worse, Barney? Being a coward, or being an idiot?

This is a form of the fallacy of the false dilemma.

And I note that you again ignored the fact that I established that you are a liar.

Too much of a coward to use his own name, and too dumb to answer my logical fallacy question, so he makes up one of his own.

If Gmax was only sarcasticly pointing out your unwarranted arrogance then of course he was not committing a logical fallacy at all.
If however he was mistakenly believing that your example of Massachuset's statistical superiority could be refuted with anecdotal evidence and prove that Texas is the equal of Massachusets then he was committing the fallacy of proof by example.
Your premise that people in red states are all ignorant rubes implies a false syllogism on your part which he may have been responding to, ie:
Blue states measure up better in math and science,
Every person here is from a red state,
You are all stupid rubes as are your kids.
If that is the case then he was not only not committing a logical fallacy; he was correcting one of yours.

Incidentally, the fallacy in your statement regarding the mathematical genius of your spawn is correlation implies causation, post hoc ergo propter hoc along with the fallacy of single causation. Your kids might be good at math because of genetics or an extra curricular reason or in spite of their schooling or some combination of these and other factors.

Jane

Jane, no citation for your tenth grade reading "fact" I see.

It was all over the Boston Globe Jimbo. Do you not know how to do a Google search? I'd find it for you but doing so could risk my real identity which as you know, in a blue state puts me at great risk.

clarice

"PMsy"--You're being awfully sexist , aren't you, John Thomas?

James Thompson

Jane

You know I'm just joking right? I'm trying to prove myself to Soros so he'll give me a job and I can move out of Mother's basement. Want to get together and discuss this over dinner?

centralcal

Clarice: Your Leni piece was also linked at HotAir.

glenda waggoner

Anybody still thing Hillary is not running for Prez? She cast her first vote against the Obamameister. Nay on new FISA law. The convention in Denver is going to be fun.I am old enough to remember Chicago'68. eeww--now Jesse Jackson is trash-talking Obama.Evidently, the libs aren't pro AA in private. And CNN is reporting this-what a country! dash that- they are emphasizing the apology of Jackson to Obama but those open microphones don't lie. Too bad Jackson doesn't have any clout to make a really big deal about it.

glenda waggoner

*think*-sorry-was watching the rare moment of bipartisanship when Ted returned to the Senate.

GMax

Barney he is not going to respond, that why its just better to play on his level. Ad hom to ad hom. He is not very good at it and must slip to barnyard childish and vulgar responses almost immediately.

Plus a true superior intellect, would not be wasting time here but putting it to work trying to find the nearest exit out of the Prog hellhole, like so many of his former neighbors have already done.

Jane

You know I'm just joking right?

You are? Wow that's a relief. So you really are one of us?

I can't make dinner because I have to go to my night job. But thanks anyway.

James Thompson

Nice try Barney. I almost impressed, except you are so pissy you overstated your case. My syllogism was simple. Better math education produces better math students. My children have the advantage of better math education. Therefore, my children are better math students. There certainly could be other factors, but the TIMSS studies have proven, among other things, that better math education helps all kinds of students. Those facts are in evidence. Therefore, no fallacy on my part.

But at least you identified gmax's problem.

You didn't establish that I am liar, but I have established you are a coward. But I will take away my accusation that you are an idiot.

So why use Barney Frank's name? Homophobic? Weird attempt at humor that I don't understand because my IQ is over 100? If you know anything about politics beyond what you learn on Rush Limbaugh and in the rube-o-sphere, you would know that Frank is well regarded by many colleagues on both sides of the aisle. He's also considered to be one of the smartest people in the house, including by President Bush.

Sorry, PeterUK, I already did too much googling for the idiots on this blog today. Do your own googling. I know you're angry because I am asking questions that you have no chance of answering, but I just can't help you with that.

PeterUK

"You know I'm just joking right? I'm trying to prove myself to Soros so he'll give me a job and I can move out of Mother's basement"

Don't you have to get rid of the body first Norman?

Sue

had me wun a them homiphobes once. played the pertiust music til wun a the hogs got inta the records.

Seriously, you have to be bilingual. To misspell those words so perfectly is an art. I am having a blast reading your posts!

Jane

I almost impressed

I don't understand because my IQ is over 100

Some things are just too easy - even for a rube.

James Thompson

Sorry, Jane, but you really are making it up. You make an absurd claim, and refuse to back it up. I can guarantee you that your claim is complete and utter bullshit.

So why make up something so transparently wrong? Does that sort of stupidity usually work here? I bet it does.

James Thompson

The faker better quit using my name or I'm going to hold my breath.

Topsecretk9

Oh goodnes, grab the popcorn, Don Imus is throwing a party

via Drudge:

REV. JESSE JACKSON APOLOGIZES TO SEN. BARACK OBAMA FOR 'CRUDE AND HURTFUL COMMENTS' CAUGHT BY OPEN MIC... CNN DESCRIBES AS 'UGLY WORDS,' 'VERY, VERY DISPARAGING'; JACKSON IN 'DEEP DISTRESS'... DEVELOPING...
Sue

Top,

Hannity has the tape. Will play it tonight. Apparently Jessee said he wanted to rip Obama's nuts off. ::grin:: I'm glad I held on to my popcorn!

James Thompson

jimmy tom

i ust to much bullshit around my roses onct an jest abowt kilt em. like to ruint the vase on the kichin table to.

PeterUK

"I know you're angry because I am asking questions that you have no chance of answering, but I just can't help you with that."

But Norman,you haven't asked me a question.Why should I be angry with you,do you owe me money?

GMax

Any advantage that your children now have they will need to overcome the huge deficit of decorum, manners and humbleness that they have certainly learned from you.

But seriously, why are all those folks moving out of Prog heaven? Maybe some Prog reeducation camps could teach them the error of their ways?

Sue

Gmax,

And moving to Texas. It's getting harder and harder to find a real redneck around here.

bad

jimmy tom

air ya makin fun a me? I thawt we was gettin long jest fine.

Sara

I speak 5 languages, English, French, German, Spanish and HTML. Granted I read French and German better than I can speak them and my Spanish consists of "wash your hands," "please trim around the trees when you cut the grass," and "what do you mean you don't have car insurance?"

I'll bet John McCain speaks Vietnamese. And I know that Mitt Romney speaks fluent French, GWB speaks fluent Spanish, and I heard that Obama learned Arabic in order to recite morning prayers. Even my rube husband was multilingual. He was fluent in, "give me a beer," "how much for a BJ?" and "you're toast, m-effer!" in Vietnamese, Japanese and as a world class "cumshaw" artist, some Chinese.

clarice

Thanks, CC. I didn't know that.

Can't wait for the drudge story re JJ--every day is another Laugharama with O and his friends.

PeterUK

"My children have the advantage of better math education."

It's going to take a shed load of education to compensate for parental retardation.

GMax

HMMM seems the truly smart ones are seekdaddling pretty quick. Maybe that IQ is really a sub 90?

The March Current Population Survey (CPS) is another source of migration estimates. Although the small sample size of the CPS makes the migration counts less reliable than those of the Population Estimates branch, they do allow a demographic analysis of migration trends. According to the CPS, the recession may have resulted in a “brain drain”. During the last three years (March 2001 to March 2004), 167,100 persons entered Massachusetts with a BA/BS degree or higher, or to go college, while 174,900 left with a BA/BS or to go to college in another state, resulting in a net loss of 7,800 college educated.

Topsecretk9

Sue

The TAPE!

I see Drudge updated with your info too.

James Thompson

Ironically, gmax, but imagining that the popularity of Massachusetts says something about its inherent value is yet another logical fallacy that you have no chance of identifying.

Having said that, I think the slow population growth in Massachusetts has a number of factors. High cost of living, especially housing, is a big factor. The climate is such that older people retire someplace warmer (and also less expensive) if they have a chance. Also, wealthier, better educated people tend to have smaller families than rubes, who pump out lots more kids and at a much younger age.

I am sure there are more factors, but I don't fret about it. The key in the 21st century isn't where you live at a given moment but whether or not you have the skill set and economic flexibility to move if you have to or want to. This is why excellent education is so critically important.

Porchlight
The key in the 21st century isn't where you live at a given moment but whether or not you have the skill set and economic flexibility to move if you have to or want to.

Don't break your back moving those goalposts, JT. We rubes understand that Prog Heaven is just as delightful as you say it is.

bad

them thar dimmycrats cud use sum manners and sich. rippin nuts off cud leed to downrite annie bar the door feudin. that thar jesse feller prolly learnt that crud from rap music.

centralcal

What a day! FISA vote - and Hillary undercuts Obama! Jesse Jackson trash talking same! Things usually come in threes. Can't wait to see what might be next!

oh, and tommy tool or whatever his name is - that's just another incarnation of 89. Boring!

PeterUK

"The key in the 21st century isn't where you live at a given moment but whether or not you have the skill set and economic flexibility to move if you have to or want to. This is why excellent education is so critically important."

Missed out eh?

Neo

"Obama loves America like O.J. loved Nicole"

clarice

cc--We have a third. AJ reports that Obama's website is so pissed at his FISA vote, they are calling to dump O and run Al Gore.
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5642>Al,Al, he's our man!

Oh, the glorious summer has begun!

Sara

but whether or not you have the skill set and economic flexibility to move if you have to or want to. This is why excellent education is so critically important.

Yes, a lack of education really held Bill Gates back.

The smartest and most talented person I've ever known is a woman with only an 8th grade education. I would take her common sense approach and down to earth solutions to life's problems over all the fancy degrees any day.

And all that fancy education hasn't much helped Barack and Michelle Obama from being totally clueless, nor John "Coward" Kerry or Al Gore either.

GMax

No kidding

slow growth = loss of population and a "brain drain"

Is this where the pig starts talking to the other barnyard animals and says "words mean only what we want them to mean, no more and no less."?

GMax

apparently all the bitter folks aren't just clinging to their guns, nope they are firing off ad hom after ad hom and telling anyone who will listen without prompting how smart they are, while secretly rueing being stuck in a Prog nightmare.

Buck up mate! It could be worse, you could be in Vermont with all those pedaphiles!

Neo
I wonder exactly how many more Americans he insulted by laughing at America again–this time for speaking only one language: The language of the country in which he is running for President.
bad

jimmy tom

im rite sorry bout yer lak a yunguns. ya mite try sum watermelon rine pikels fer a litl elevation if ya no what i meen. thos yunguns wil be blessin ya in no time.

BumperStickerist

Hmmmm

Massachussets is a smallish (44th in terms of area), ethnically homogenous (89% white), overpopulated (14th in terms of population) state that compares favorably with Japan in terms of education.

Given the similarities I reckon (that's a rube word, James)we all can look forward to those ethnically similar people introducing CodPorn to the market and robots.

About all James brings to the table a *remarkabe* lack of ability to read statistics such as those in TIMMS or, heaven forfend, NCLB data.

Hint: standard deviations, laddy buck, one key to understanding data and stuff)

.

glasater

So JT--Let me see if I have this straight--Your logical fallacy is better than Barney Frank's logical fallacy?:-)

Topsecretk9

Ace and Drew view JJ remarks as an assist the O!

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=268180

bad

Mr. bumperstickerist

be reel cairfull a usin homo werds wit jimmy tom. hes downrite sensativ.

bgates

I speak 5 languages, English, French, German, Spanish and HTML.
Now that's impressive. I can read HTML, but pronouncing all of the /> and

Sara

Gotta love the Anchoress:

Obama: Europeans so much better than Americans!

Americans did not need to speak French to save that nation…twice.

Americans did not need to speak German to save the lives of our vanquished German enemy over a long, brutal winter with the Berlin Airlift. (Less glamorous than a photo-op, true.)

Americans did not need to speak Polish or any other language to liberate concentration camps.

Americans did not need to speak anything but the language of honor and compassion to bring aid and comfort to a tsunami-torn land.

Americans did not need to speak Arabic or Urdu to take down a tyrant and liberate his people from the scourge of terrorist insurgents, or to help them to form a democracy that - if you read papers outside of the US - seems to be stabilizing in just a few years.

Americans did not need to speak any of the African languages to help foment real change in a land where people die from mosquito bites, and from an epidemic plague of AIDS.

Is America perfect? No, far from it, but I’m damned sure we are not so awful, so pathetic, so ignorant and backward that a presidential candidate needs to get up on stage and jeer at his country and countrymen for their lack of so-called sophistication to his “sophisticated” and self-hating supporters.

Sophistication is empty and insubstantial. It does not save lives. It does not free people. Sophistication simply dresses well and knows not to choose the chianti. All very important in these serious times, right?

I don’t know, this guy is supposed to be so brilliant, but every decision he makes, he decides was probably not the right one (”yeah, I won’t let my kids be interviewed anymore…” - hey…good idea!) and he doesn’t seem to like his country or his fellow Americans very much.

I’ll take the dumb, liberty-lovin’ Texan and his moist-eyed patriotism over this fellow’s schtick, anyday.

bgates

...well, it worked in preview.

Pronouncing all of the /> and the like gave me the worst pain in the back of my throat.

Sara

Now that's impressive. I can read HTML, but pronouncing all of the /> and

Hey bgates, piece of cake once you get the accent down. :)

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