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October 06, 2008

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Charlie (Colorado)

A couple of years ago I saw them on a tall ship located in the middle of the Bay.

Jeez, I knew they could do pretty much anything with those planes, but wasn't the rigging an issue?

That was great fun -- good food, drink and company, with the Angels overhead.

Oh.

never mind.

clarice

Jane , sorry to hear about the fire--glad you and the office came out okay. I suppose if you have an office fire, it's some consolation that the fireman who shows up is a hunk.

Enlightened

OK. Can someone at the Townhall please ask Bambi this:

Can you answer the following questions based on your executive experience:

How many employee's have you personally been accountable for?

How many corporate checks have you personally signed?

What budgets have you personally been responsible for, and did you use any veto power within that budget?

How many individuals have you personally hired, fired or reprimanded?

What is one of the first signs of financial turmoil in a corporation?

What did the SSE and SSE component close at this morning?

Sue

Cute firemen, but that's scary.

Woot! Woot!

clarice

Years ago the SCOTUS said the DoS could not make it illegal for Americans to travel wherever they wished to so I don't know where you got the info that O went to Pakistan when it was illegal to do so.

I believe that the DoS might have indicated that it was so dangerous for Americans to travel there at one time that they tried to dissuade travelers by indicating that they went at their own risk--that the US could do little to rescue them if they ran into difficulty.

RichatUF

Maybee-

The only change I would have made to McCain's speech is that he would have named Will, Good and Doodad what's his face.

That would be something to confront Obama with on stage during the debate, while letting the American people know that it is Obama's fault the FEC doesn't have a quorom and can do nothing about it. Carpet bomb Obama about his website too, especially if he hasn't closed the holes in its security (I'm sure the Obama campaign master list would have lots and lots of credit card/debit card numbers).

PeterUK

"I believe that the DoS might have indicated that it was so dangerous for Americans to travel there at one time that they tried to dissuade travelers by indicating that they went at their own risk-"
Barrack Hussein Obama was ay no risk - sponsored by a madarassa.

MayBee

Unbelievably, Ben Smith at Politico writes a brief article pondering the veracity of today's claim by Axelrod. He finds it a bit plausible....and never mentions that Axelrod and the Obama campaign have lied to him before with no explanation.

Thomas Jackson

Why focus on Ayers when he has sought out Communists, radicals, and fringe extremists from his early youth. In Fact his family was as red as it is possible to be.

Now if I attended a church preaching hatred of blacks for twenty years; had associates who manned the ovens at Daschu; friends who bombed abortion clinics; intimates who were members of the SS extermination squads do you think the MSM might discuss or investigate it if the GOP made me their presidential candidate?

No of course not. Doesn't every body have friends like these?

Luc

clarice | October 06, 2008 at 05:52 PM

I read it in some blog; my understanding was that it Pakistan was in a situation similar to traveling to Cuba or NK today

Sara (Pal2Pal)

On our very first date, my future husband took me to a Blue Angels exhibition at Miramar. Not the most romantic of first dates, but impressive, and it did set the tone for the next 32 years of life as a military spouse.

MayBee

Good points, Rich and Charlie, about our friend Doodad.

I know Obama is prepared to hit McCain with some funds he had to return. McCain should just say upfront he did that, and *then* hit Obama.

Charlie (Colorado)

This YouTube of Ayers, Dohrn, etc is interesting material.

mcg

the GOP's Ayers file. I don't think there's anything here that is new to readers of this blog. It's probably new to many folks in the MSM who have been purposefully refraining from learning about it.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Flipping the Weighting Flips the Polls

AJ Strata has an interesting analysis of recent polls. Could it be that diving deep in the Obama tank gives you narcosis of the deep?

" Look at the policy preference break down of Lib-Con-Mod, it is split 23-37-36 - almost the REVERSE of the party ID break down. That means if you re-run the polls using policy preference as the weighting factor you could see the polls almost flip 180ー! Democrats are up by 7%, but Cons are up by 14% - twice the advantage!

"Even more interesting is the undecided poll. In the Party ID view undecideds are split equally between Dem-Rep-Ind at 28-26-43. This would lead one to allocate undecideds or leaners basically down the middle between Obama and McCain since the difference left and right is a statistically insignificant 2%.

"But in the policy world view the picture is dramatically different. The Lib-Con-Mod mix is heavily tilted away from Obama’s base with 18-32-47. Here we see very little opportunity for Obama to take the undecided voters. Now the imbalance is 2:1 in favor of McCain, which holds a statistically huge 14% advantage." - The Strata-Sphere - Obama May Be In Real Trouble If Polls Weight Samples Wrong

See the above link for more links embedded that JOM spam filter won't allow.

clarice

LUC, Americans can travel to Cuba--they are not to spend US dollars when they go and are warned they are on their own when they're there.
[quote]The U.S. government currently maintains limitations or restrictions on travel tofour countries: Cuba, Libya, Iraq, and North Korea. This paper briefly outlines thenatureofsuchrestrictions, who administers themand why,and comparestherestrictionsamong the four targeted countries.The U.S. government limits the use of passports, currency, and/or transportationalternatives, when American citizens seek to travel to four countries – Cuba, Iraq, Libya,and North Korea. The methods of restricting travel include requiring a license to travelto a specified country, limitingor prohibitingtransactions in which a traveler mayengagewhile in a targeted country, prohibiting the use of American passports to travel to orthrough a targeted country, or limiting the means of transportation to a targeted country.The Departments of Treasury and State are the lead agencies that implement suchrestrictions. On rare occasions, the Department of Transportation’s Federal AviationAdministration (FAA) becomes involved byprohibitinglandingrights to U.S. air carrierstraveling to, from, or through a targeted country.U.S. government officials assert that U.S. policies do not amount to restrictingAmerican citizens from traveling to any foreign destination, a position some observers believe is designed to avoid a debate over the constitutionality of limits on Americans’travel ''rights. Others contend that those rights are indirectly abridged by limitations on the tools required to travel – primarily transportation, expenditure of currency,and passports[/quote]

http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:wZr3Ka0d-jQJ:digital.library.unt.edu/govdocs/crs/permalink/meta-crs-7716:1+Restrictions+on+US+citizens+traveling+to+Cuba/North+Korea&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us>US travel restrictions

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Democrat Bob Bennett, who led the Keating Five investigation says: "The one thing I'm absolutely sure about is that John McCain is an honest man."

Cecil Turner

So there we have it; documented, authenticated proof . . .

You wish. A Democrat majority claiming "poor judgment" isn't proof any more than the NY Times finding nothing in the Ayers mess means it was "debunked" (as much as the Obama campaign would like to pretend otherwise).

On our very first date, my future husband took me to a Blue Angels exhibition at Miramar.

A-4's, I hope. They always did the best show. The F-4's were louder . . . the F-18's, well, not so much. (I admit bias.)

PDinDetroit

Rich - A good question about Obama's Website.

With the amount of contributions coming in from CC #'s, his site/system would have to ensure the PCI DSS are met or possibly lose the ability to process CC Transactions.

The FACT that Obama's Website was subject to a Basic CSS Attack (see LUN) would mean that it probably doesn't. This type of security has to be built from the ground up.

PDinDetroit

XSS, not CSS.

Molon Labe

Must read on Dohrn:


Broadway Baby


Sara (Pal2Pal)

That was a pretty powerful video, Charlie. Thanks.

On another note:

"Obama Youth" Teacher Suspended

RichatUF

Luc-

1. I read somewhere recently that at the time Obama went to Pakistan it was illegal for a US citizen to travel to that country. If it is true that it was illegal, how did Obama go there?

It wasn't illegal, it was extremely dangerous for any American visitor without "sponsorship" of some sort-the lingering effects of the Islamic revolution, the jihad against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan...Pakistan was an international catch basin of bad people-it's true today, true in the 1990's, and true in the 1980's. Seems the story is dribbling out in the paki press.

2. I also read that Obama was very friendly with PLO Arafat’s Press spokesperson while the PLO was considered a terrorist organization. That individual, praised effusively by Obama at a going away party, is a currently professor at Columbia University and was connected to Ayers.

Rashid Khalidi. He was Edward Said's student, then went on to sit in the Edward Said Chair of Middle Eastern Studies at Columbia University. Said wrote Orientalism, the opus of New Left "thought" on foreign policy, and the reason why US foreign policy is as screwed up as it is.

RichatUF

PD-

This type of security has to be built from the ground up.

Indeed it does, and that is all I'm going to say about that.

aardvark

"The one thing I'm absolutely sure about is that John McCain is an honest man."

But the standard you're attempting to employ in the Ayers case isn't any sort of guilt on Obama's part, it's guilt by association.

McCain had a very close relationship with Keating. By your own standard, McCain should be rejected by the voters.


He was as close to the archetype of the high-flying eighties chief executive as anyone I had encountered, and he was a hell of a lot of fun to be around.


On several occasions, he invited Cindy and me to his beautiful vacation retreat at Cat Cay in the Bahamas, flying us there, with our infant daughter, Meghan, and her nanny, on his private jet....

He entertained us lavishly, as was his style. We would all crowd on his yacht, off for a day of swimming and snorkeling, and then return for another extravagant party with the best wine, food, and entertainment available...

I would be lying if I were to deny... just how eagerly I awaited invitations to Charlie Keating's Shangri-la. [pp. 60]

PDinDetroit

Rich - Just another case of Obama and his Campaign that shows their inexperience.

"If he can't protect his own website from attacks, how can he protect the Good Old USA from an attack?"

Sara (Pal2Pal)

RNC UNLOADS ITS AYERS FILE...

PDinDetroit

Sara - thanks for sharing that - very interesting indeed.

Obama is kinda like a creepy Mister Rogers:

Would you like to be my terrorist/communist neighbor?

Ranger

McCain had a very close relationship with Keating. By your own standard, McCain should be rejected by the voters.

Posted by: aardvark | October 06, 2008 at 06:40 PM

Only until he found out that Keating was under investigation by the Feds. Once he discovered the shady side of Keating, McCain cut his ties with him.

Compare that to Obama, who, at some point, learned that Ayers was an unrepentant domestic terrorist, and yet continued to work with him at CAC and other foundations.

Compare that to Obama, who discovered that Rezko was under invesigation by the FBI, but still called him up to ask for help with buying Obama's new house.

It is not just about who you know, it is about how you react when those people turn out to be problematic associations. Do keep woking with them, even though you now know the truth? Or, do you break your ties?

And this doesn't even begin to get into the fundimentally racist view of Rev. Wright, who Obama states in his own words attracted him to the man... "this is a world... where white folks greed runs a world in need."

PDinDetroit

OT - and speaking of history repeating...

LUN

RichatUF

PD-

Just another case of Obama and his Campaign that shows their inexperience.

A while back LGF was following the story but it didn't gain wide attraction. Obama's website is a mess, his press clippings of "taking internet campaigning to a new level" notwithstanding. He has on one of his policy statements that he would appoint a "National Network Administrator" (probably are ol' friend Richard Clarke's influence on Obama's policy team).

aardvark

Fox/Rasmussen battleground polls

CO Obama 51% (49%) McCain 45% (48%)
FL Obama 52% (47%) McCain 45% (47%)
MO Obama 50% (46%) McCain 47% (51%)
OH Obama 47% (47%) McCain 48% (48%)
VA Obama 50% (50%) McCain 48% (47%)

Fox News/Rasmussen Reports polling this week shows that Barack Obama has made significant gains in Colorado, Missouri and Florida. In Ohio and Virginia, there was little change from the week before.

All five of these states were won by George W. Bush and the Republicans four years ago. Obama now holds at least a modest edge in four of the five states and is essentially even in Ohio.

Obama now leads by seven points, 52% to 45% in Florida. A week ago the candidates were tied in the Sunshine State. Two weeks ago, McCain was up five.

In Colorado, Obama now holds a six-point advantage, 51% to 45%. Last week, Obama had a one-point edge in the state and two weeks ago McCain was narrowly ahead.

In Missouri, it’s Obama 50% McCain 47%. In mid-September, a Rasmussen Reports poll had found McCain up by five in the Show-Me State.

Obama continues to hold a narrow advantage in Virginia, 50% to 48%. That’s virtually unchanged from last week. However, last week was the first time Obama had moved ahead in this state that hasn’t voted for a Democrat since 1964.

Ohio is the only state where McCain has any sort of advantage. But a 48% to 47% lead is meaningless in a poll with a three percentage point margin of sampling error.

Looking at all of the data collected over the past few weeks, these state-by-state results confirm data from national trends found in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. Obama has been gaining steadily ever since Lehman Brothers collapsed in mid-September and made visible the economic problems that have dominated the news ever since.

Before Lehman Brothers collapsed, McCain was up three percentage points nationally. Today, Obama has an eight-point advantage nationally.

Barney Frank

By your own standard, McCain should be rejected by the voters.

As soon as the regulators informed McCain that Keating was under criminal investigation he properly cut off all contact with Keating and repudiated him.

In distinct contrast Barry knowingly, despite Axelrod's lame protestations, worked closely with an admitted and unrepentant terrorist and was willing to start his political career in the man's living room. Even now he describes a man who stomps on the flag and regrets that he didn't plant more bombs as 'mainstream'. If that's the mainstream Barry is bringing to Washington heaven help us.

Topsecretk9

McCain had a very close relationship with Keating. By your own standard, McCain should be rejected by the voters.

Did Obama write a letter telling people not to help the peice of shit Ayres? If so, I missed.

Barney Frank

Never mind. Ranger covered it better at 6:58.

clarice

At various times Obama has said he majored in poli sci and/or foreign relations while at Columbia. What do you think the odds are that he studied with Said and Rashid Khalidi?

clarice

It was dispiriting to watch Brit tonight and see that mara bought the "their kids went to school together" B.S.
And no one on the panel seemed to grasp completely the significance of the CAC relationship .

Soylent Red

Pakistan was an international catch basin of bad people-it's true today, true in the 1990's, and true in the 1980's.

Now, now...let's give the Obemessiah (PBUH) a break.

He only went to Pakistan because it was homecoming Friday at his old madrassah and he didn't want to miss singing the school song at the midnight beheading.

M. Simon

Clarice,

How about Mark Rudd? At least as an influence.

PeterUK

"Before Lehman Brothers collapsed, McCain was up three percentage points nationally. Today, Obama has an eight-point advantage nationally."

So it would have been of advantage if some of the super rich backers of Obama rocked the boat of the banking system? After all,they would get pay back if Obama became president

M. Simon

aa,

Got any info on the poll weightings?

clarice

Well, I'm suggesting a link between the non-existent college records and two real cruds of academia--I suppose if it were better known that he had a close relationship at Columbia, it would not be useful.

sylvia

I got this from the Pakistan article:

"He (Obama's Pakistani friend, Chairman Senate Muhammadmian Soomro) lived at Muhammad Ali Society residence of (his father) Ahmad Mian Soomro"

While tracing this story this scribe found from Time Magazine that Obama’s mother was a regular visitor of Pakistan"

Do the connections ever end? The Mohmammed Ali house? In Pakistan? What's that? His mother was a frequent visitor to Pakistan too, I'm guessing for years if she speaks Urdu.

aardvark

Got any info on the poll weightings?

New Rasmussen Reports Party Weighting Targets: 39.3% Democrat 33.3% Republican

link

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Okay, here you go, video of McCain's tough remarks today.

Video

Sue

I think the polls are mostly correct. Which is why McCain needs to start connecting the dots for the dolts who can't connect them themselves. MSM is not about to do it. They will only report what McCain is saying.

aardvark

Speaking of associations, Todd Palin's political mentor, Joe Vogler:

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

He also said this: "And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

audio link

Sue

Now that they have established the connection between Obama and Ayers, they need to start rolling out Ayers' ideas of what should be taught in schools. And how Obama helped him.

clarice

About the weighting of the polls..
I expect that the pollsters are in a bit of a dilemma as there are a number of factors they do not know how to measure, among them the Bradley effect.
Tonight i heard on Brit's show that the Obama team thinks it will account for 5% --that is they need to get 50.1 +5% in the polls to win.That can just be blather but I don't know how a pollster can handle this--we've never had a way to measure this in a national campaign.

Then there's the huge increase in Dem registrations--how do you make assumptions of how many will show up and vote.

Then there's the economy--surely measuring attitudes reveals uncertainty and anger of voters, but will it mean those who'd vote for McCain will switch or not show up.

I think we can see a trend toward Obama--but how big and how firm it is, it's too soon to say.

Perry

"Oct 6, 2008 4:00 pm US/Central
CBS Poll: Presidential Race Tightens
Democrat Barack Obama Retaining Small Lead Over McCain

NEW YORK (CBS) ― In a sign that the race for president has returned to about where it was before the first presidential debate, the Obama-Biden ticket leads the McCain-Palin ticket 47 percent to 43 percent among registered voters in a new CBS News poll.

The Obama-Biden ticket led by a wider margin, nine percentage points, in a CBS News poll released last Wednesday, before Joe Biden and Sarah Palin faced off in the vice presidential debate. Obama-Biden led by five percentage points on Sept. 25.

In the new poll, the Democratic ticket leads by 3 percentage points, 48 percent to 45 percent, among likely voters."

LUN

Internals:

RV weighting -
GOP: 28.3
Dem: 37.9
Ind: 33.7

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Oct08a-ALL.pdf

Soylent Red

We're talking about Obama here.

It's not that big. It's not that firm.

Soylent Red

Bulldoggy will back me up on that.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Bill Dyer: Ayers to kids: "Kill your parents!" Ayers to courts:"Don't hold teen murders responsible!"

clarice

Soylent, you rascal.

Soylent Red

Of course Bulldoggy might be the reason...

Wait. What were we talking about again?

kim

Hey, Soylent, Taliban peace talks with the Afghan government, sponsored by Saudi Arabia.
=============================

Soylent Red

Saw that kim. Won't change my future any though.

Still plenty of Paki Haqqanis living in Obama's home away from home and slipping across the border.

Jim Ryan

Soylent, you working any of the comedy clubs in town, eh?

cathyf

Ok, I have this vague memory that Ayers & Dohrn babysat for the Obama daughters? Did I just hallucinate this? (Or maybe I conflated this with the fact that Michelle Obama babysat for Jesse Jackson's children as a teenager...)

Has anybody else heard the Ayers/Dohrn babysitting story?

Soylent Red

The irony that the peace talks were held in KSA was not lost on me either...

Lori

It looks like Ayer's children are 28-30 years old. That means that the youngest Ayer's child graduated from UofC Lab School 10 years ago. Isn't the oldest Obama daughter 10 or 11 years old? The Lab school ranges from nursery to 12th grade but there is no way they went to school together. Am I wrong about the ages of the 3 Ayers boys?

Topsecretk9

SHOCK

More Bogus Obama Donors Surface
Donations Made Between July and Early August

says CBS News

royf

aardvark likes his polls well here's one for you

CBS Poll: Presidential Race Tightens Democrat Barack Obama Retaining Small Lead Over McCain
DrJ

You have it right, Lori. When this unpleasantness came up, the campaign responded with -- wait for it -- that Bernadine Dohrn was on the school's board, and that was the connection.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Details in RNC Complaint on Obama's Foreign Money

Bill in AZ

Then there's the huge increase in Dem registrations--how do you make assumptions of how many will show up and vote.

Some pollsters seem to be using this as an excuse to overpoll dems. Something I heard earlier today, I don't recall where, is that Rush limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" was partly responsible for this increase in dem registrations. I'm not sure I would count on these showing up, and if they do, I'm not sure how many will vote for Obama since many of them registered to vote for Hillary.

Lori

Ayers children: Zayd born 1977, Malik born 1980, Chesa born 1980 (raised by Ayers).
Obama daughters: born 1998 and 2001.

The youngest Ayers would have graduated from the Lab School the year the oldest Obama daughter was born. Even if they graduated at 19 years old, she wouldn't have been in school yet.

PeterUK

cathyf,
I read about the baby sitting somewhere.More to the point were Ayers' parents autopsied?

"Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as:

'Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'
is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago."

RichatUF

clarice-

Obama's campaign connections to Columbia's Middle East Institute have been a bug-a-boo of mine ever since they invited various top leaders of Iran over here for victory tours.

Figure that there is something afoot. The folks he's got around him would be dumb enough to believe anything the Iranians would say, so Obama could sign a Munich Agreement and get on with what he wants to do: force the Israeli's into the IAEA and nuclear disarmerment on the South Africa model, the business of finding out why Pres. Bush fired a few US Attorneys, is Rove really the devil, and what level of Bush Administration figures could be tossed over to the ICC (my guess brigade & division commanders and DADS-level appointees).

It would be an ugly first 100 days for his administration.

Porchlight

Has anybody else heard the Ayers/Dohrn babysitting story?

A commenter here by the handle of hydeparker mentioned it a few weeks back, cathyf.

aardvark

pollster shows tightening race

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Ex SDS Behind Obama’s Anti-War Speech

and

Bill Ayers Speaks At 2007 SDS Reunion

FYI if you can stomach it.

Charlie (Colorado)

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

That would be the one who died two yars before Palin was involved with the AIP.

While Palin was involved with the AIP when its then-leader, Wally Hickel, was Governor.

Try again, pipsqueak.

Porchlight

Speaking of Bulldoggy and Edward Said...

I always enjoy seeing this photo of the Obamas at an Arab-American community event in Chicago. The other photo from the event shows Barack in close convo with Edward Said, and two very bored wives.

clarice

Yes, RichatUF, I think there's something afoot there.

Ranger

Speaking of associations, Todd Palin's political mentor, Joe Vogler:

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

He also said this: "And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

audio link


Posted by: aardvark | October 06, 2008 at 07:21 PM

Too bad the Dems don't have those words in Palin's own voice, along with a personal aside about how they brought her to tears with their perceptiveness...

On the other hand, "this is a world... where white folks greed runs a world in need!" are in Obama's own voice... along with "I wept." And if that wasn't enough to convince you of the impact of this sermon and it's vision of white responsibility of all the sins of the world, Obama chose the name of this missive for his keynote speach at the DNC in 2004 and his second autobiography... The Audacity of Hope... which is apparently the audacity for Hope to believe it can overcome white domination. Rev. Wright is a racist. Obama was drawn to Wright specificly because his racist feelings resonated within Obama.

clarice

Chaco, that they did it , too, whining gets rather silly when you are talking about nail bombs on one side and folks trying to work thru the political process on the other. (Not even getting to their disparate objectives. After all, Alaska fairly recently joined the union and then after a lot of promises about being able to exploit their petro resources which we then ignored.)

Charlie (Colorado)

In the new poll, the Democratic ticket leads by 3 percentage points, 48 percent to 45 percent, among likely voters.

Hmmm. 38 percent D, 27 percent R --- in other words, about 33 percent weighted to D --- and all they can muster is 3 percent (within the MoE) for Obama?

No wonder the earth-pig is freaking out.

Topsecretk9

Why is Obama afraid to answer questions about Ayers himself? How's he going to stand up to Ahmadinejad when he so afraid to man up and answer questions about Ayers?

PeterUK

"Speaking of Bulldoggy and Edward Said..."
SShhh! It's only a rumour.

Charlie (Colorado)

OKay, so... we've had three weeks of horrible economic news, we've got a poll weighted about 4/3 D/R, and all Obama can muster is 3 percent ahead in likely voters?

With the Dow futures up (after the Dow gained back nearly 400 points from the low) plus we've got all this stuff on Obama just starting to get into the news?

I wold say now is not the time to take counsel of your fears, folks?

Sue

Have y'all read http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/10/ayersobama-update-david-blaine-award.html>Steve Diamond's Ayers/Obama Update: The David Blaine Award Goes to ... The New York Times Magic Act! ? If you haven't, head on over there. It ties it all up in a neat little bow, if anyone with the ability to get it out there was interested.

hrtshpdbox

Wow, McCain seems fired up. Suddenly I'm looking forward to tomorrow night's debate. I foresee a shouting match. Good.

Extraneus

Sarah Palin owns the Ayers story now, so she can easily mention that this "McVeigh wannabe Ayers stomps on the flag of the United States of America!"

jc came up with the excellent "McVeigh wannabe" idea the other day and I think this would resonate with the entire Sixpack family, since they're probably wondering who this Ayers guy is.

Having folks' attention, she could then develop the point that Ayers now holds some sway over K-12 school curricula, and that Obama worked with him on "education."

[In March of 2008, Ayers] was elected vice president for curriculum of the 25,000-member American Educational Research Association (AERA), the nation’s largest organization of education-school professors and researchers. Ayers won the election handily, and there is no doubt that his fellow education professors knew whom they were voting for.

"Are these the kind of people you want in charge of your child's curriculum?"

Extraneus

That McCain speech was great. Was he using a teleprompter? Seemed like he was speaking off the cuff, but that's hard to believe when you read it.

He needs to stop that dumb smile in between his powerful lines, though. Sarah Palin does the jaw of determination in such moments, much more effective.

Seixon

Someone mentioned somewhere else that it's impossible for Obama's kids and Ayers' kids to be going to the same school, because they are of completely different ages.

A follow-up on that maybe? I mean, if that's true, then Mr. Axelrod is completely winging it.

Jane

Compare that to Obama, who, at some point, learned that Ayers was an unrepentant domestic terrorist, and yet continued to work with him at CAC and other foundations.

He knew it from the beginning - that was the whole point of Obama being recruited.

Lori

I wonder why Dohrn doesn't list her involvement at the Lab School on her extensive curriculum vitae? She lists her position on the board of the Hyde Park neighborhood group but not on the board of the University of Chicago Lab School? I love the missing years from her 1967 law school graduation to her 1984 employment at Sidley & Austin. Imagine that job interview.
LUN

Sara (Pal2Pal)

It doesn't matter what Ayers did in the '60s and it matters even less what he is doing now. What does matter is the underlying philosophy and agenda as it relates to Obama.

Everyone needs to get off this nitpicking of Ayers and start putting an easy to understand narrative of how indoctrinated Obama has been thruout his life.

I wouldn't say he is a Muslim, but I think the strict Muslim education he got in his most formative years set the tone for his Mother to brainwash him, to leave him wide open to the influence of Frank Marshall Davis, played a large part in how he sought out the radical fringe while in college, to advancing that with his associations in Chicago.

We are pretty much products of the influences of our youth and Obama's were absolutely without question all anti-American.

clarice

Well, he WAS winging it, Seixon. That story's dropped when people started counting. Now he says O didn't know Ayers' history.

Extraneus

Hey, did you guys see this? Peggy Noonan not sure who she’s voting for

Whaddya know.

clarice

I NEED to know. She has such a great influence on how I vote, extraneous.

jcox31mc

These questions need to be put directly to Obama. Palin and McCain should ask in their comments, "Why won't Obama answer these questions?" He always relies on his understudies to answer and respond and usually they respond with attacks, they change the subject. They ARE affraid to have to answer these questions. It needs to be pointed out over and over, "Why won't Obama answer these questions? The American people deserve answers."

DebinNC

Just a reminder... Wright's divinity degree centered on Islamic Studies. Did Obama deny knowing about TUCC's lifetime acievement award given to Farrakhan? That would be a lie easily disproved.

Ranger

I love the missing years from her 1967 law school graduation to her 1984 employment at Sidley & Austin. Imagine that job interview.

Posted by: Lori | October 06, 2008 at 08:25 PM

No interview required. She got the job because the firm was close to Daddy Ayers, who got his new daughter in law a nice job at a top notch law firm, which she would have been able to keep if the state of Illinois hadn't been a stickler and refused to let her be admitted to the bar. When that happened Daddy Ayers got her a nice job teaching law at Northwestern, where he was on the board of trustees.

This is why Ayers and Dorhn have never repented, they never had to. Daddy Ayers got everyone to just look the other way and they enjoyed the fruits of privledge while playing the bad ass terrorists who never repented.

PeterUK

"I wouldn't say he's a Muslim" But he did!

DrJ

I knew that I remembered the Dohrn/Lab School link:

Politico -- Feb 26

Quote:

Obama's kids went go the the University of Chicago Lab Schools, where Ayers kids, who are much older, had gone. However, Bernardine Dohrn is still active at the school, and an Obama aide said that was the connection.

"Active" instead of "Board." So shoot me.

Terry Gain

As I understand it, Ayers hand picked Obama for his little 100 million project to radicalize education. If ths is true voters should ask not only what did Obama know about Ayers but what did Ayers know about Obama?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

#1 Son says he doesn't believe anything Obama says. His take, no one who grew up in warm weather climes such as Indonesia and Hawaii would choose to live in freezing cold, icy streets, blizzard prone Chicago unless there was something mentally wrong with them.

I can understand that thinking as I grew up in a climate similar to Chicago and you couldn't pay me enough to ever live again where I have to drive or walk on ice or shovel snow that can reach a couple of feet high.

rls

I crabbed this off a comment on a post at Ace's:

From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

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