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October 06, 2008

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Charlie (Colorado)

That's because he doesn't actually have any opinions of his own, only talking points.

Perfect Sense

ZerObama the new world standard in cut-in-run politics.

bio mom

The truth is that Obama doesn't care a fig about any of this. He is basically a social justice lefty who despises the military and anything to do with it. All the rest is political window dressing. He probably would be happy to do away with the entire dept. of defense if he could and use the money to fund social programs and more entitlements. I truly believe this.

bio mom

The truth is that Obama doesn't care a fig about any of this. He is basically a social justice lefty who despises the military and anything to do with it. All the rest is political window dressing. He probably would be happy to do away with the entire dept. of defense if he could and use the money to fund social programs and more entitlements. I truly believe this.

Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet

Obama is horrible on Iraq. I could never support anyone espousing those views while our troops are in the field and winning.

But I am afraid if the stock market keeps tanking this will all be academic. The fact that the democrats have been right in the middle of it will be ignored. Our side is in the distinct minority (35% or less), and I am not sure that even the talented Sarah can pull it out.

I hate to be pessimistic. It is not my nature. But even Rove is not his usual optimistic self.

This is a global bubble, and it is tough to get a handle on what will work. As the comments here indicate, our part of the population does not want to be taken care of and believes most people can, should and must take care of themselves.

The democrats major premise is that a significant portion of the population wants to be taken care of, and they want that group to believe they are the ones who will take care of them.

When the Dow is down 20% in less than a month and unemployment going up, how do we win?


PapayaSF

For much of the Bush administration, Donald H. Rumsfeld [...] emphasized transferring security tasks to Iraqi forces and slimming the American military presence as a way to get the Iraqis to take on added responsibilities.

So Obama's Iraq plan was basically the same as Rumsfeld's? And nobody has pointed this out before?

Cecil Turner

Interesting Military Times poll on the subject:

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve . . .
On the issue of Iraq, 74% of military professionals think John McCain would do a better job (as opposed to 19% who favor Obama). On the overall DoD issue (weapons/size/strategy), McCain also pummels Obama 77% to 15%. On personnel issues (pay and benefits) it's 73% to 18%.

Surprisingly, character was the primary issue, economy second, Iraq was third (Obama did best on economics/domestic policy, losing only 53%-33%).

Jor

Almost everyone in the world and a large majority of Americans think Iraq was an extremely misguided war, completely unrelated to 9/11. I doubt anyone is going to think it has any bearing on the real war on terror. If anything it will make the majority of the muslim world realize that we are focused on those who are going to harm us and not everyone who is muslim.

Jane Whitman

Jor,

I'd like to think the "large majority of AMericans' are not that stupid. But you may be right.

boris

Almost everyone ...

A win goes down in history as rightous. One more example of US exceptionalism.

aardvark

When the Dow is down 20% in less than a month and unemployment going up, how do we win?

You have to pucker up and beg for that nice Mr. Obama to let you win. It's your only hope.

You must do it for the good of the nation. Start puckering, close your eyes, and think of America.

BOATBUILDER

Hey Jor--how much of that "large majority of Americans" belong to the same large majority which enthusiasticaly supported the war in the first place? Summer patriots!
Jane--not only stupid but entirely without principles.

clarice

"Who in Afghanistan or Pakistan will believe in Obama's perseverance after he bails out of Iraq?"
Surely Afghanistan and Pakistan have their own versions of the NYT, Newsweek, TNR, and the WaPo.
We can't harbor the only idiots in the world, can we?

PeterUK

"Almost everyone in the world and a large majority of Americans think Iraq was an extremely misguided war,"

I would wager that Iraq never enters the mind of "most people in the world" from on day to the next.It is also likely that a good proportion of them do not even know where Iraq is.

PeterUK

"You have to pucker up and beg for that nice Mr. Obama to let you win. It's your only hope."

So,you are saying Obama isn't standing in good faith? He has price for losing?

qrstuv

Jor,
You can argue until the cows come home as to whether it is suitable to take the Islamofascist ideology head on by enabling Saddam Hussein's 25 million former slaves to join civilization and choose their own future.

To ignore that line of reasoning, however, is simply passive-aggressive. Not that I expect any different from the leftist drivebys.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

It is also likely that a good proportion of them do not even know where Iraq is.

Including jor. Noone who looks at a map thinks that Iraq isn't relevant in the War on Terrorism.

And the Iraqis sure aren't part of that "almost everyone" or even "the majority of Americans."

PeterUK

Anything to oblige A map of the region. For those who are uncertain,Iraq is the yellow one.

bgates

PUK - I think jor is the yellow one.

PeterUK

bgates,
I always saw Jor as being a delicate shade of pink.

Bill in AZ
For much of the Bush administration, Donald H. Rumsfeld, then the defense secretary, and Gen. George W. Casey Jr., then the top commander in Iraq, emphasized transferring security tasks to Iraqi forces and slimming the American military presence as a way to get the Iraqis to take on added responsibilities. Powell, Armitage, and Bremer sh!tcanned that idea. The result was sectarian violence, not political progress.

There - corrected the Times once again.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Afghan Taliban Awaken: Dump al-Qaeda And Sue For Peace

Neo

This is a bit more than a week old now, but ...

For the first time since Rasmussen Reports began polling on the issue, a plurality of voters in September say the U.S. mission in Iraq will be viewed as a success in the long term.

In a national telephone survey Monday night, 41% said history will rate the war in Iraq a success versus 39% who said it will be seen as a failure, with 20% undecided (see crosstabs). These findings echo those of the previous two weeks (see trends).

By contrast, in August of last year, 57% believed history would judge the U.S. mission in Iraq a failure, and only 29% disagreed.

Neo

I haven't donated a dime to any campaign, at any level of government in almost 20 years, but today I got a plea from McCain-Palin, complete with FedEx envelope.

MartyH

I pointed out on Michael Totten's blog months ago that Obama's strategy was the same as Rumsfeld's.

Obama's biggest problem is that even if he wants to extend the timeline, Congress will not let him. In the same way that Congress hamstrung Ford, Pelosi and Reid will push to accelerate troop withdrawal in response to enemy aggression. Thus, perception will be that we were "forced" from Iraq, and that Iran and/or AQI "won". The resulting chaos will make 2006 look like a picnic. The only way oil prices do not go past $200 a barrel is if the world is in a depression, with low demand.

If Obama catches a clue and maintains Petreaus' policy in Iraq, then the situation may not be as dire, though I think that Iraq will eventually break under the strain of repeated assults from AQI and Iran. Similar result, different timeline. And Iraq may have gotten its act together by then.

AQ will go where we are not-by ceding Iraq, we invite them back there.

kim

Hmmm, the Taliban is in peace talks with the Government of Afghanistan. Some wonder if they will repudiate al Qaeda to get a truce.
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PD

What I found most interesting about the Military Times poll:

Nearly eight out of 10 black service members indicated they intend to vote for Obama despite his lack of military service and despite McCain’s record as a naval aviator and prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Sounds like racsist voting to me: They won't vote for the white guy.

PD

Er, "racist"

Cecil Turner

They won't vote for the white guy.

Yeah, saw that, and I think it warped some of the rest of the data as well (i.e., black servicemembers were grossly disproportionate in choosing the economy as the number one issue, possibly to justify Obama as the preferred candidate). However, I think SFC Derriel D. Collins had the best quote in the story:

“I’m not going to give [my vote] to you just because you’re black,” he said. “It doesn’t work like that.”
Would that all Americans saw it that way . . . identity politics would extinguish rather quickly (and good riddance).

Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet

Sorry for the momentary lapse in confidence in the American people.

Juan Williams had the answer on Fox News Tonight with Brit Hume.

Attack, Attack, Attack.

Wow, I am stoked again.

Now I think I understand how folks who were for Truman felt in 1948.

stickler

Jim Rhoads:

Now I think I understand how folks who were for Truman felt in 1948.

Except it's 1952.

Barbara

OT, but the video of the SNL skit (LUN) on the bailout posted by Centralcal yesterday is no longer viewable. Hum, I wonder why.

Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet

No, Stickler. It is 1948.

Truman was behind Dewey in all the polls through election day. Even on election night, the radio commentators (including, notably, H V Kaltenborn) were calling the election for Dewey. The New York Times even printed a "DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN" edition which Truman posed with the after he had been declared the winner.

For your information, in 1952 Eisenhower beat the carp out of Adlai Stevenson, another son of Illinois. Truman did not run.

cathyf

It was the Chicago Tribune that printed the "Dewey Beats Truman" headline.

Rick Ballard

No, Jim, it's 1952 - a strong military vet is going to kick the crap out of a cheap phony "intellectual" who can't play 1/10th as well as he talks. The polling may seem like '48 at the moment but they'll change.

That cheap empty suit isn't going to have a good night at all tomorrow - and he knows it.

Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet

Just what I needed, Rick. I'm back in the game.

Jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet

But HST was a vet. Dewey was an empty suit who had a talent for speechifying, played it safe and got beat.

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