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November 07, 2008

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Disillusionist

It would be even funnier if it didn't hurt so much.

kim

Just a guy in the neighborhood. I hope, as the world gradually understands what a liar and fraud this flim-flam man is, that that phrase will come to the surface of the public's consciousness. This isn't Mr. Roger's Neighborhood we're talking about.
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ljm

Read this last night. Funny and healing. It helped me get some sleep.

I truly wish Pres. elect Obama the best but I'm afraid I'll be sleeping with one eye open for sometime.

Pofarmer

LOL

The onion has it about right.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive?utm_source=embedded_video

Appalled

And how do you feel about the inherent attitude expressed in this piece of writing. Cheerful about the way the author has made sport of his attitude of alienation; his feeling that, by the mere choice of a President he disagrees with, the American project is doomed, doomed dommed? Or, are you shaking your head in dismay that the Iowahawk has the soul of Kossack, wedded to the writing skills of a Max Beerbohm?

Nothing wrong with comedy. I think it may be the best recipe for dealing with certain aspects of the Obama phenomenon. But, while I admire the timing, I dislike the approach.

We survived the 30s, WWII and the 70s, folks. 4 or even 8 years of Obama ain't gonna kill ya.

Pofarmer

Well, Appalled, at least you know which points in history to compare Obama to.

qrstuv

Appalled,
Democrats would like to enact programs to make the people dependent on the government, and they vehemently oppose anything that would enable the people to have independence from the government.

Whenever a Democrat can do so, we see a further entrenchment of government power.

With Obama, the ambition to do more of this, as rapidly as possible, is plainer than with any other Democrat I can think of.

And at some point, it will be impossible for those of us who prefer our liberty to retain it. We will have three classes in the country:

1. The elites
2. The bread-and-circus recipients
3. The people who actually work for a living (increasingly grudgingly, as more and more of our work product is taken from us)

In other words, we'll be just like Europe.

Porchlight

We survived the 30s, WWII and the 70s. 4 or even 8 years of Obama ain't gonna kill ya.

Speak for yourself. Hundreds of thousands of Americans did not survive WWII.

rplat

And that's an optimistic outlook on the future. Hang it up . . . we're all doomed and our once great Republic is headed for the abyss.

Barney Frank

And how do you feel about the inherent attitude expressed in this piece of writing.Cheerful about the way the author has made sport of his attitude of alienation; his feeling that, by the mere choice of a President he disagrees with, the American project is doomed, doomed dommed?

Geez appalled, generally you're pretty reasonable even if usually wrong.
It's a joke. In fact, in many ways, it's as much a joke about conservatives who think the world came to an end on Tuesday as it is about Barry.

kim

Though lacking a sense of humour, appalled does seem to have a sense of history, and even he knows his candidate is going to be disastrous. This is your medicine for the fever of BDS. I know, it'll be bitter, but you'll be better for it. Now, down the hatch.
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kim

Where's anduril when the Russians rattle sabres in Obama's face?
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Appalled

My sense of humor is pretty good, and I thought Iowahawk got off some good lines.

But message throughout seems to be the same on I heard being shoted out on Mark Levin (don't ask...I didn't change the station quick enough, and I was...um...fascinated by the ranting) -- this man is not my president, we're going straight to Godless, Godless marxism, everyone will be ut of work unless they are working for the government...etc, etc.

And I really do think that madness lies down that way. We've survived some pretty lousy Presidents over the years, and our Consitution has endured our politicians for a couple of centuries. We have the strength in institutions to keep going for many centuries...unless, people entirely lose their faith in these institutions. And that essential nihilism I see in Iowahawk's piece.

Extraneus

I love how we're all being asked to close ranks behind Obama now, sing Kumbaya, come together as one to back this great and hopeful post-racial healer of a man. Only I don't forget so easily, and furthermore, I have no plans to close ranks behind Obama, support Obama, or do anything less for Obama than the Democrats did for Bush. And as far as I'm concerned, those who voted for Obama have imperiled our future and that of our children, and I plan to treat them accordingly as well. Anything I can do to help mitigate the damage, which by definition will involve opposing Obama, I'll be happy to do.

I thought the Iowahawk piece was funny.

clarice

You sound utterly humorless, Appalled, but I give you credit for recognizing Iowahawk has captured "the writing skills of a Max Beerbohm" I know I love his writing and I love Beerbohms's. I just never put the two together before.

kim

Two institutions that have stood us in good stead, the separation of powers and the free press, don't have the stamina they once did. Look at Schumer's takeover of the Department of Justice, and Obama's conception of the Constitution as 'fatally flawed' for clues. Don't look to our free press for any guidance. They'll wonder at the coming storm, and wander about trying to blame Bush. Welcome to your world, appalled; it will be an appalling mess.
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bad

this man is not my president...

And I really do think that madness lies down that way.

Appalled, I think you nailed the left perfectly.

kim

Russia still has enough missiles to fry the West and far more than enough to bluff Obama into pusillanimity; China will have its hands full suppressing rebellion, and with no one to keep an eye on rogue Muslims, we've got trouble ahead. On top of that the poobahs seem intent on crippling us with encumbrances on energy. You should be appalled.
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Sue

unless, people entirely lose their faith in these institutions

Like they did with Bush?

kim

Mutually Assured Destruction loses it's insane effectiveness, once the mutual is no longer operative, and the Madman Obama hasn't the wherewithal to effectively bluff the opposition. For a closet authoritarian, he hasn't the slightest idea of how to play the power game on the world's stage.

In retrospect, Bush will seem like the velvet glove over the iron fist, and Obama will seem the builder of a house of straw.
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kim

bad, you're right; Bush Derangement Syndrome was aptly named, and look what the madness has wrought. Appalled, live up to your name.
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E. Nigma

Laugh now, citizens, while you still may.

Soon, all your internets will belong to the Man.

Pofarmer

and our Consitution has endured

Yeah, well, the Constitution is looking a little torn and taters, with lot's of littel judicial doo-dad add-on's. It's not the Constitution, it's all the extra-Constitutional stuff that has been done, and all the additional stuff that will now surely be added to the pile. The first one would seem to be Obama's compulsory Youth Service Act.

kim

Bear in mind, folks, that appalled implicitly recognizes the recklessness of the choice of Obama. I'm glad the Australian dude can see it as an expression of our fundamental optimism, but we can only be optimistic because we are powerful enough to survive political disasters, like Obama's administration is already turning out to be. The signs are in place, and expectations have been lowered already. Who is going to inform the Obamatons? Oh, yes, MSM on parade.

Is that a Potemkin Village I see around the bend?
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bad

...compulsory Youth Service Act.

I was a farm kid. I know all about that act...

Captain Hate

And I really do think that madness lies down that way.

Go fuck yourself, you whiny bitch. I've put up with eight years of filth from your ilk about how Bush was the devil incarnate and if you think I'm gonna play nice-nice with pansies like you and the rest of your Hopey and Changey shitheads, you're even more delusional than I thought. Do me a favor and hang yourself; I'll think about it on Thanksgiving and won't be "appalled".

Sue

We don't know enough about Obama to have a clear idea on how he will govern. What clues we have are not reassuring. He does not like criticism or anyone looking to closely into his past. For an example of that, see how he handled WGN and Kurtz. I suspect by 2010, people will be wishing for the openness of the Bush/Cheney administration. I don't imagine leaks will be tolerated by Obama. The NYTs will regret selecting this man for president.

bad

I thought the Aussie was calling us optimistic idiots. Kindly and gently, of course.

Sue

Good Lord Captain. That was a bit harsh. We can dissent without becoming them.

kim

The hint of nihilism is there, appalled, because astute observers understand that even with a principled chief executive, with a steady hand on the tiller, the forces of political chaos have still just barely been kept under control. Too many of us are certain that the ham-handed idiotic idealogue that some of us have just elected is completely incapable of handling the challenges ahead. Obama and his crew are bad people and haven't a chance in Hell of doing well. Let us pray the American people have the sense to change Congress in a couple of years.
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bad

I love Captain!! He is good for what ails me.

Sue

bad,

I understand the sentiment behind Captain's words, but I don't want to see us become like Kos Kiddies.

Captain Hate

Sorry Sue; I pondered not posting that but then decided to let it fly for better or worse. Maybe it was a mistake (and I apologize to anyone offended, save one) but I'm in no mood to turn the other cheek after eight years of biting my tongue. I'll be culling the herd of quite a few acquaintances between now and the end of the year, primarily those people with whom I don't agree politically that are going to expect me to be a good guy in contrast to the way they've acted. By doing that I may not be a nice guy but I'm sure not a hypocrite.

kim

I'm just as angry as you are Captain. Appalled's complete lack of insight when he talks about the 'road to madness' is inflammatory. The MSM has gone mad and given us a fool.
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Sue

Captain,

You don't have to apologize to me. I was just sort of taken aback to see a Kos-style post coming from you. As I said to bad, I understand the sentiment, but really hope we can dissent as adults. That isn't to say I wont call Obama "Ears" or some other derogatory name, for payback of all those years of Bushitler and Darth Vader, and a year from now I may link to your post and say hell yeah, depending on how the country looks a year from now.

MayBee

...compulsory Youth Service Act.

Isn't that funny? You can't make kids work for pay in middle school, but you can make them work for free.

bad

I don't want to see us become like Kos Kiddies.

No danger, we have IQs above that of a fungus.

Sue

bad,

::grin::

True. I just don't think we should get into the "hang yourself" mode. Too easy to go down a path we won't like after somber reflection.

Sue

Palin's favorability rating among republicans...wait for it...it's coming...91%!

Rick Ballard

Sue,

I'll drop the derogatory names until he earns them again. Should be about 6-8 hours so it's not much of a sacrifice. Does O seem particularly offensive?

Sue

Oprah, Barbara Walters, Larry King. O'Reilly, all trying to get Sarah to chat with them. If I were Palin, I'd tell them to go fly a kite. And then I'd hit the conservative talks shows with a vengeance.

bad

"Hobama" is my personal favorite.

Captain Hate

I was just sort of taken aback to see a Kos-style post coming from you.

Well that was a post of sheer id of which I'm capable on occasion. I usually self-censor (or take it to AoS) but didn't this time. The discussion here is very civilized and I try to adhere to that (I've erased a *lot* of posts following preview). I won't lie and say it won't happen again but the outbursts won't be frequent.

If I were Appalled, I'd take pride in how he/she/it got to me.

Sue

Rick,

You can call him anything you want. I'm not the board monitor and didn't mean to come across that way.

Appalled

CH:

Well, you sure did pick a good name for yourself, didn't you. Thing is, I could easily see that handle (and attitude) on a Kossack. If I were to bitterly cling the way you seem intent on doing, I would consider holding tight to your religion, rather than your gun.

bad:

I think when we begin assuming our opponents are, by definition, dishonornable evil people dedicated to the destruction of the Republic, we are going down the road to madness. So, I take your point.

clarice:

Iowahawk is very good at what he does. In this case, I just didn't like he was doing.

kim:

Aussie? I'm Georgian! Go Dawgs!

Rick Ballard

Sue,

I certainly didn't mean to imply that you were performing as Mrs. Grundy. There are a number of posters here whose opinion I respect a great deal and you're on the list. Backing off for a few days won't hurt anything - it isn't as if Obama is going to acquire anything which might be considered a decent character in the meantime.

kim

I'd be interested in a little more from Appalled about the need to 'survive' the next 4-8 years. Wouldn't you have been happier if we were in a situation where we might 'thrive' for that time instead? If the treatment of the 'madness' of you and yours requires a cathartic that we must 'survive', why don't you just get your head on straight and try 'thriving' for awhile.
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Sue

If I were to bitterly cling the way you seem intent on doing, I would consider holding tight to your religion, rather than your gun.

Good grief. Right out of the box you make me want to erase my words. You aren't cute. You aren't smart. And you are plagiarizing Obama. At least give proper credit to your overlord.

Amused bystander

Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise;

For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.

They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause.

For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.

And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.

Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.

Let his days be few; and let another take his office.


From Psalm 109 -- King James Bible.

Captain Hate

Well, you sure did pick a good name for yourself, didn't you.

As I've posted before, my nic was given to me by a coworker and I've never claimed it's a bum rap. Now stop comparing me to a Kossite or I'll tell you how much I enjoyed Urban Meyer calling timeouts at the end of that blowout on Saturday.

Sue

Rick,

It was the "hang himself" that bothered me. I don't wish death on anyone.

kim

Sorry, Appalled, you missed the reference to the Aussie, Frank Devine, through no fault of your own. It's on another thread.
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bad

Captain. my dad was a yellow dog democrat who could dish up inspiring vitriol which was always wrong but entertaining nonetheless.

The truth is, he was actually an extreme right winger who just didn't realize it. He hated minorities, women's rights, gays, sex outside of marriage, welfare, government handouts of any kind, etc...

He was a brilliant man who lacked logic in this one area of his life. I credit him with making my three kids solid conservatives who can define clearly and logically why they hold such views.

clarice

Thanks, CH: We are lose it once in a while I'm afraid.
Now who are those 9% and do they all write columns for a living?

kim

Appalled, when those people take advantage of the self-destruction of a free and critical press, and call the Constitution 'fatally flawed' while cheerfully undermining the Democratic process via ACORN and willfully suppressing dissent, then it is not madness to claim that they seek the destruction of the Republic.

Frankly, though, I don't think they are big enough men and women to do it. As Rick points out, it's not as if they are going to gain sterling characters in the next couple of months. But, oh my God, the travails they will take us through in the attempt. Frankly, all the evil that was visited upon Bush was just projection by this crew, and they will act on their projections. It will, in fact, be very interesting to see just who comes to the defense of the Republic, and how they will do so.
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MayBee

Appalled- I'd rather hoped you'd start giving your opinion of things, rather than continuing to evaluate our opinions for us.
Your guy won! Tell us what you think, not what we think.

Porchlight

If I were Palin, I'd tell them to go fly a kite.

Me, too. Funny how they all want to talk to her now that the threat of her actually being elected has passed. But I trust her to make the right decision as to how to handle it.

bad

Appalled, were you quoting that Bible passage on lib sites over the past eight years?

If so, please provide links.

No links, then man up and admit you are a fraud.

kim

Whoa, bad, that's 'amused' not 'appalled'.
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Extraneus

That one wasn't from Appalled, bad.

Appalled

bad:

Are you confusing me with "Amused bystander"?

MayBee:

I tned to stick with the thread topics. As it comes to policy, I am in a wait and see mode. There are parts of Obama's platform I really don't like, but want to see whther he's going to act on them or not. (I don't see how he can act on the protectionist part of his platform, for example, without bringing the weight of our Chinese bankers on our heads, for example.)

Captain Hate

bad, your dad sounds like somebody I'd like. My oldest daughter was quite the Obammy supporter, so much that I was concerned about her emotional involvement. She and I exchanged a few emails during the early part of the campaign (she lives in Manhattan) and when she started barraging me with talking points about Palin, all of which I refuted, we pretty much agreed just to disagree and halted our back and forth (which was fine with me because all we were talking about was politics which is fairly dysfunctional to me as far as a family relationship goes). Anyway late on election night I sent her a congratulations email. Her response was very gracious; it's easy to be gracious when you win, which is lost on the moronic trolls here.

As far as being a "clinger", I knew damn well that McCain if elected would piss me off on a regular basis, just like he always does. I sent Palin an email yesterday (yes, I realize the chances of her reading it are almost zilch) just as part of a catharsis. In retrospect, I'm appalled (to coin a nic) at the poor quality of candidates on both sides that we had for president. I actually voted for Obammy in the Ohio donk primary just because my Clinton revulsion was unslaked and I didn't realize the sheer depth of irresponsibility on the part of the MSM not vetting Barry. And on the repub side, nobody except Fred really attracted me and he obviously wasn't up for the ordeal. So I was left with my proposed bumpersticker of the past: WTF McCain.

bad

OOPS!! Sorry Appalled. Damn. Thought I had ya. There goes my fun for the day..

clarice

**We aLL lose it once in **

Appalled

kim:

There are very few who really seek "the destruction of the Republic". The ACORN people are probably very sincere in their desire for redistribution of the wealth to the poor within a Democratic system. Problem is, they figure that the GOP has cheated and robbed and stolen elections, that they figure that they must act the same way. And they do this wthout thught of the harm they are doing to our faith in an honest vote...a very corrosive thing.

In other words, I hope the book gets thrown at the Acorn folks.

bad

Captain, Dad was really funny too. He could tell a story with the best of 'em.

My kids adored him and still miss him. They would listen to his political rants respectfully, but always giggled privately about the contradictions between his views and votes.

kim

Funny, though, Appalled, that among those who do seek the destruction of the Republic we find Rezko and Ayers and Wright. This is Obama's neighborhood, a crooked and authoritarian one. This guy is Saddam Hussein with real power.
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ljmwilliamson@yahoo.com

"The onion has it about right."

My son got a real laugh from the video. There is an attorney (actually a good friend) who was so emotionally distraught before the election he couldn't come to work for days and he hasn't been back since.

He apparently became a complete pain in the &%$ up to the election.

Amused bystander

Me? I fear I am too conservative even for this site, for Pete's sake.

I am a Conservative Catholic. A Catholic Humanist with a strong Burkean bend, If you can grasp that one. (It is why I use the King James Version, if you get my meaning). But I believe in American exceptionalism none the less. I have put my rear end on the line for The Republic more than once. I love her so.

I guess where I walked in my life some would call me an elitist, but my heart is with the Pofarmers and the Cpt. Hates, and the bads of the world.
(and Clarice, of course).

I was once a leftist in my very early youth, an atheist too, and studied taught in the Ivies. I doubt no one here could detest these vermin more than I do as I know them inside and out. I still have to deal with them almost every week.

I avoid sites like KOS. Period. Bad for my blood presurre and my soul.

You misunderstand me.

And, what the CPt. said!

kim

It's funny and maddening the people who Obama is now surrounding himself with. These choices for his partners in crime are simply better known analogues of Wright, Ayers, and Rezko. His judgement is the pits.
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ljmwilliamson@yahoo.com

"If I were Palin, I'd tell them to go fly a kite."

I was a Romney supporter but unless he comes out soon and condemns the treatment of Palin he will lose my future support.

bad

Amused, my deepest apologies. I suffered a brain methane emmission and credited your post to someone else. It was very well done with your name attached. I really enyoy your viewpoint and wisdom.

glasater

and a year from now I may link to your post and say hell yeah

Captain Hate is just the seasoning in this stew pot.

Captain Hate

Now that I've had my rant and purged my system of most ill-feelings, I'd like to pose a question to the legal minds here: Did McCain-Feingold have any impact on the amount of ads in this campaign, because it would be impossible to imagine having been confronted by more of them. Of course I was sadly disappointed that Bush signed such a horrible bill and that the Supreme Court didn't smack it down. But other than having a slough of 527 entities formed (which I guess I should celebrate as the ingenuity of individuals to react to suppression, even in such an undertaking) has anything really changed?

bad

I am a huge fan of compassionate conservatism--in the home, in the church, and in charitable organizations.

We have many extra teenage feet under our supper table every week and the discussion is inevitably world events. We listen and debate respectfully no matter how absurd the viewpoint is. Everyone is welcome to come back and they continue to do so.

We've never tried to turn a gay straight, but we have several conservative gay friends now in young adulthood who voted Republican this week.

We don't get everybody, but our percentage is pretty good. And I'd bet our numbers go up as these kids get older.

Amused bystander

Bad: NP.

Captain Hate

Also have any of you heard Paul Harvey lately? I've been listening to this dinky underpowered station out of Medina, Ahia because Laura Ingraham moved there from a closer station (dammit) and I was incredulous to hear his now 90 year old voice!!! That guy sounded ancient in the 60s. I'd say snarkier things except when I did a google it highlighted a Keef Olberdunce clip naming Paul the worst man in the world, and the day I start agreeing with Odormann on anything is the time to start making preparations for the nursing home.

glasater

Bad--you are certain to have many stars in your crown.

MikeS

Over the past eight years, I've seen the harm that can be done by an opposition party that exploits anger and division. I think it was disgusting, unpatriotic behavior, and I don't intend to behave that way myself. I think Republican members of Congress should support the new President whenever they can and even introduce some of legislation that he has proposed. Yet I do believe a loyal opposition has an obligation to hold a new President's feet to the fire.

I am suggesting an extreme accommodation to President Elect Obama in implementing the policies he ran on. I would even support his personal income tax plan, so long as it didn't go beyond what he has proposed. That is that tax increases only on people making over $250k, rates not to exceed those of the Reagan administration, and special incentives to taxpayers who are employers. I would support that so long as Democrats didn't try to add buckets of slime to the legislation.

On energy, I think Republicans in Congress should introduce legislation to 'fast track' construction of nuclear power plants, off shore drilling, and new oil refineries. They could even offer to add 4000 new acres to ANWR in exchange for removing the 2000 acres that are important to our energy independence.

On the judiciary, Republicans should acquiesce to the Democrat's model that ideology is a judicial qualification.

Forgive the long post.

bad

Thanks glasater. I've always sort of viewed myself as likely to be the catbox scooper in heaven. But I'll take the job. Heard it pays better than working for Obama's campaign...

Appalled

CH:

OK. I will alarm you.

You are listening to a college calssmate of mine I knew quite well. AND you live in the area I grew up in. (NE Ohio. Seen the sun lately?)

Connections...They are all over the place, even among the politically opposed...

PeterUK

"It was the "hang himself" that bothered me. I don't wish death on anyone."

I'm sure Captain Hate doesn't want Appalling Grandstander to die,just to dangle.
Have to allow Appalling his /her.its,their gloat.The Tsunami is still out at sea,wait until it hits the shore.

Rick Ballard

"Me? I fear I am too conservative even for this site, for Pete's sake."

Amused Bystander,

I wouldn't think so. I've never had any problems as long as I was packing facts to back the opinion offered. Yesterday was anomalous. I won't stand by while barnyard libertarians (a deficient subset of an otherwise intelligent and intelligible group) suggest that Christian conservatives should sit down and shut up.

Captain Hate

On energy, I think Republicans in Congress should introduce legislation to 'fast track' construction of nuclear power plants, off shore drilling, and new oil refineries. They could even offer to add 4000 new acres to ANWR in exchange for removing the 2000 acres that are important to our energy independence.

All of those will probably be DOA but they should be pursued because energy might be the donks' achilles heel. Hard to say how prescient that will be as gas prices continue to drop and at times it seems like the citizens have the collective attention span of a ADD sufferer. But Obammy seemed to be getting his marching orders late in the campaign from that fat slob Al Gore and talk of a carbon-free energy plan that doesn't include nuclear is as nutty as Al got when he was smoking 'Nam weed. The stunt that the repubs in congress pulled over the recess while an energy problem still existed was one of the few non-disasterous things they did even though the MSM ignored it as much as possible.

Appalled: I just read that as I was previewing this. I hereby apologize for what I said before because I didn't know I was addressing my elder; I honestly thought you were some young whippersnapper; the anonymity of teh innerwebz. Believe it or not October was a gorgeous month with lots of sun and color, stretching up to just about now. We had temps in the high 60s yesterday and barely a cloud in the sky. That will probably change now but it's been a glorious autumn. Ask me in December about lack of sunlight.

Appalled

PUK:

If you want to get technical about it, CH was suggesting I go and give eternal damnation to myself, and he did so in a manner that suggests a later *Kidding!!* wasn't in the offing.

If you are going to talk politics on a blog, you had better have a fairly thick skin, and some tolerance for folks who do not agree with you. Otherwise, you are going to raise your blood pressure to stroke levels.

Appalled

CH:

I meant LI, not PH. (If I can type at 95, I will be happy....). But, hey, I'm not 10, but Obama is younger than me...

bad

Appalled, in all seriousness, have you been on the lefty sites for the past eight years urging support for the President and decorum in discussion?

PeterUK

Really Appalled? Fascinating,absolutely fascinating.

M. Simon

I understand the sentiment behind Captain's words, but I don't want to see us become like Kos Kiddies.

I love sailor talk.

Amused bystander

MikeS: NO WAY!

The One has to be fought at every turn.

If he does something by accident that is OK, say like not kill weapons programs, then the GOP need to point out they the broken clock has once again struck the correct time and then vote along with it. On everything else the should just obstruct as much as they can, and the media take the hindmost.

It is all that they should think about. THe Dems did it for 8 solid years and it worked for them.


Let us have a record of The One cursing the GOP.

What the GOP has to do is bypass the Media.

Of course, the GOP will try to duck this, but it is the best we can do. We have two long years before we can even think of getting a chance of changing this.

It has to be put before the American people just what is going on, and the people have to make a clear, unambiguous decision as to if we want a Marxist state or not. It is time top go for broke. Let us find out once and for all if the problem is that GOP is not standing up for conservative values. Stop listening to those "country club" voices that just want to settle for their personal their place at table.

We have to spell out the social order that will come. We have to paint out the danger and we must call things what they really are. Enough of the euphemisms, enough of failing to call out the media.

The GOP has to try to explain it.

They need to have people like Palin, Rudy etc.
up there every two weeks explaining it.

(and guest blogging too.)

We have just months to save the future.

This is no time for timidity.

Look what all the "new tone" did for GWB.

It is nonsense. There is NOTHING of value to gain from it.

If the GOP cannot stand up for the principles of our nation and civilization, then they will just become a regional party, if they survive at all.

The GOP has to understand that they are at war with the greatest threat to this nation that it has ever seen.

After we lick our wounds, the rank and file needs to organize to hold the feet of Republicans on the Hill.

And when they left and the media start their attacks we have to be prepared to fight back.

With this voluntary service stuff that is being proposed, we are just a step away from Red Youth Brigades and an American Cultural Revolution Front, and if you think I am kidding just have a gander at what Chavez did (and continues to do) in his country or have a look at Bolivia. Do not think it can not happen here. Look at what they did to the opposition party in Mexico in the early 20th century.

It is no joke. Let us not kid ourselves, and anyone that says it is an overreaction should be ridiculed. The LEft is counting on this.

I cannot remember the exact quote, but Solzhenitsyn once said something to the effect that if the fist 100 people who were taken away by the secret police would have shot them dead on their doorsteps, the while nightmare of the purges would not have happened.

Let us not learn this lesson the hard way.

Amused bystander

the while nightmare = the whole nightmare

Amused bystander

Rick: Can I ask what you are referring to about yesterday, I was not on the site.

boris

Spare me the dimorat line that goes like this "now that we won lets put partisan squabbling behind us now and all pitch in and work together to make Obamunism work for the good of the country. Just forget all the nasty words, the mud flinging, name calling, and spitballs we are still this very moment using to discredit and destroy who and what you foolishly believed in.

Remember the only way we can make Obamunism work is for everybody to join in the effort and give it 200% SO ARE YOU WITH US YAY RAH RAH RAH !!!"

It seems to me that kind of game goes like this ... When you win we stab you in the back for the good of the country. When we win you're supposed to pitch in and help for the good of the country.

Can you see this? How many fingers am I holding up?

Hillary: "We are Americans and we have a RIGHT to debate and disagree with any administration !"

Raht On Raht On It's the ultimate form of patriotism !!!

bad
In the Coleman-Franken Senate recount battle developing in Minnesota, almost all media accounts fail to mention that Democratic Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, who largely controls the process, is not only a liberal Democrat, but also an ally of ACORN and liberal philanthropist George Soros.

If true, this sucks. I'll see what I can find out about this dude.

LUN

Captain Hate

Well I still apologize even if you're younger than I am, and as as tomorrow I'll be 6 months away from being able to tap into my 401K sans penalty assuming it has any value then and the president elect doesn't do any of those horror stories that were floating around.

Was LI a neat person in school? I used to enjoy her infrequent appearances on the McLaughlin group before bloviating John became completely disgusting. Now she's the only reason to watch the O'Gasbag Factor.

Captain Hate

as as == as of

Amused bystander

on the Hill = on the Hill to the fire.

Rick Ballard

AB,

I'd rather not rehash. There was a hot thread which you can easily find.

I agree with your 1:08 completely. I have no interest in walking around with a "Good Sport" sign pinned to my back with a stiletto.

clarice

Palin's granted the first post-election interview with Greta who's flying to AK for a long sit down interview,,If Nicole Miller had had half a brain Greta's who Palin should have had her first interview with..not three with Couric, Nicole's former boss and snake extraordinaire.

bad

Here is Mark Ritchie's list of endorsements which includes an ACORN PAC.

LUN

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