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TCO

Who cares about Bill Ayers? Shit, we have trillions of dollars heading out of the Treasury.

boris

Figures TuCO (the ugly) can't see the connection.

Steven W.

I remember a persistent reporter did catch up with him before the election ... and Ayers ran away + hid and called the police on them ;)

MayBee

As I understand it, Obama only knows Ayers because their kids go to the same school. Same with the Khalidis.

I really want to see that LA Times tape.

Barney Frank

Who cares about Bill Ayers? Shit, we have trillions of dollars heading out of the Treasury.

As the Romans and countless other civilizations have learned, and as fundamentalist libertarians seem constitutionally unable to ever learn, prosperity waxes and wanes, but when a nation loses its public virtues (such as imprisoning or executing traitors like Ayers, rather than selecting leaders who pal around with them) it seldom gets them back and seldom last too long.

Captain Hate

I like how Ayers talks about the great work he and Obammy did with the schools, where they stayed terrible, and his community organizing, where the community got worse. Tell me again why I should donate money to colleges. And will some interviewer ever ask Ayers about the Vietnamese boat people who fled the workers' paradise that he feels so positively about compared to the USA?

Ayers is the banality of evil.

MayBee

Who cares about Bill Ayers? Shit, we have trillions of dollars heading out of the Treasury.

We must only discuss one thing at a time!
Ayers gives us a peek into what Obama finds it important to spend money on. It will be Obama watching over that Treasury soon. Will he spend with Social Justice in mind?

MayBee

Bill Ayers also gives us a peek into how Obama operates. It's obvious he will lie to protect himself. It's obvious he can get other people to lie to protect Obama.

Just know that.

kim

Bill the Brute?
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Cecil Turner

Anybody who doesn't understand how Ayers and the social justice agenda (i.e., "spread the wealth around") plays into a trillion dollars escaping the treasury just hasn't been paying attention. Still waiting for "the One" to come up with a plausible plan to address the underlying problem . . . or even to give back some of the bribe money he took from the perpetrators (instead of possibly rewarding them with jobs in his administration).

And the bigger issue is that the resulting credit crisis is choking out the economic engine that puts money back into the treasury. But I'm sure our compliant media will explain to us that the Dem "more of the same" plan will fix it all . . . or if it doesn't, at least how it was all Bush's fault.

kim

Obama Jones, you better... watch your speed.
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Lori

I'm beginning to realize that most people in this world are just plain stupid. From congressmen to wall streeters to journalists.

Patrick R. Sullivan

What Cecil said.

We are in this financial mess because people named Munnell, Frank, Dodd, Schumer.... used their bully pulpits to browbeat financial institutions to lend money they otherwise wouldn't have, to people who couldn't pay them back. If Obama shares Bill Ayers' outlook, he'll likely give the country another ticking time bomb that will explode in a decade or two.

Louise

Some are you are still so racist you just sit back and try to digup shit and call people out of their names. You need to get a life yourself and try to do something positive. Who cares about Bill Ayers.

The Other Ed

I think the most telling point of the interview was Ayers saying that he and Obama worked together not on Ayer's radical politics of the past but on "civic and educational" issues. Their relationship had nothing to do with Ayer's history, just their mutual interest in Chicago's future.

He also broke down the meme that Obama "launched his career" at his house. He acknowledged holding one of maybe 20 coffees that Obama had as he started his State Senate campaign. I guess all 20 homeowners "launched" Obama's career. Maybe we should vet the last 40 year history of all 20 of them?

The Other Ed

In other words, this was just a campaign issue. There isn't a lot of substance there.

boris

still so racist ...

It's called Affirmative Obamunism.

Get used to it.

PrestoPundit

Cuomo knew just as much as he wanted to know.

A large segment of the "mainstream" left has been blocking for the killer left for going on 5 generations.

It isn't going to end now.

willem

Remember the book "The Bell Curve" warned about the talent problem as society and technology become more complex.

That's the biggest problem in today's financial crisis. Poor quality of talent in the culture of banking. The Banking culture that built our society is practically non-existent. The wrong talents have become dominant and the dysfunction they presided over, normalized; both masked and selected for by regulation. I'm not saying regulations are bad, just that they select for a particular pathology which is typically left unmanaged. Stir in unions and that also describes our auto industry.

The best example of this talent crisis: Congress and the two political parties. A near-frozen stew of eunuchs, psychopaths and predators has congealed with tumoresque certainty around our organs of government power. The obstructionism, vanity and insipid moralism of self-loathing "failed giants" like William Ayers.

PrestoPundit

"Bill Ayers also gives us a peek into how Obama operates. It's obvious he will lie to protect himself. It's obvious he can get other people to lie to protect Obama."

And we know that the press corp with participate in the whole thing.

Rather sick, but there it is.

Pofarmer

It's racist to dispute Bill Ayers?

Really?

Why don't you look at something like graduation rates before and after CAC.

MayBee

If Obama shares Bill Ayers' outlook, he'll likely give the country another ticking time bomb that will explode in a decade or two.

He wants to do this with insurance. Insurance companies will not be able to turn away people that are already in need of treatment while he also tries to mandate low premiums.

Steve Diamond

I just watched it and Ayers says they first met while engaged in education and job loss issues in Chicago. While that is arguably vague, it was in 1987 and 1988 that Obama was working on job loss issues on the south side as well as school reform. In 1995 the issue was only education.

Clearly, if Ayers wanted to "clear the air" he could have simply said "we met on such and such date, and we saw each x number of times since then and that's all." He never does that, Obama never does that, and, unfortunately, even though the GMA interviewer was better than those who interviewed Obama on this issue, the press never nails him down.

Of course, now we have the dueling comments by Ayers that keep up the ambiguity: family friend or professional colleague?

There is only one reason to keep the answer ambiguous: the relationship is deeper and close than either Ayers or Obama want to admit.

While I would like to know the answer, we may never know. Frankly, Ayers comes across in the GMA interview as such a dissembling air head on a political level - once again trying to justify his destruction of the anti-war movement as actually helping end the war and therefore of some relevance to those who today are concerned about the war on terror - that it is just as likely he will sink from the scene altogether. Fine by me.

Bill in AZ

Some are you are still so racist you just sit back and try to digup shit and call people out of their names. You need to get a life yourself and try to do something positive. Who cares about Bill Ayers.

We demand coherent trolls. C'mon ax, you can send better... or can you?

Captain Hate

call people out of their names.

What does this mean, Louise, other than as an illustration of how illiterate you are? Did you learn this in one of those great Chicago schools that D'ohbammy and Billy Bombthrower made worse? Have fun trolling around and revealing your stupidity while telling other people they "need to get a life".

jeanedcrusader

I know... where is the LA Times tape? We all have questions about the illuminati prez that the reporters aren't asking. I guess they are waiting until after he's inaugurated to break the story... It's just so much more fun that way.

romath

Earth to Tom Maguire: If you knew the slightest thing about political activity or the way foundation or nonprofit boards work, you'd immediately recognize Ayers comments as wholly plausible. What is a campaign kickoff but a gathering of some-sized group of people? Obama was bouncing from one gathering to another that day, hosted by lots of different people; big deal. As for boards, members rarely see each other between meetings or organization events unless they have some other connection (usually another organization), which beyond passing in the street you haven't claimed. But all this obviously isn't your interest at all. You're fighting another war, perhaps still the Vietnam War among others, and the peripheral Ayers-Obama connection is now just a foil for it. Get a life.

ljm

Oh the i-r-o-n-y. Ayers doesn't believe in guilt by association.

This guy who planted bombs... ya know...bombs, those laser like instuments of destruction that take out the "guilty," and only the "guilty."

The WU planned to plant nail bombs - nail bombs - for G-d's sake at a soldier's dance. The potentially devastating plot only derailed because the bombs killed the perps.

But NOW Ayer's takes umbrage at anyone questioning Obama's associations.

To complete the irony, Ayers's is NOW making the media rounds to PROMOTE his book.

Yes, Ayers is absolutely tone deaf to irony.

clarice

Cuomo's no different than most tv interviewers/commentators. Except for hard workers like Greta (or on radio, Rush) they do little more than clip and read what their producers hand them. Most of these producers are young and not particularly well-educated journo types who simply don't know or care how to properly prepare for an interview like this. The thing is to book a big name, blahblahblah and drive up ratings.

MayBee

ljm -
So true!
He also is telling us it is wrong to question whether those in authority are keeping secrets from us: "This idea that we need to know more -- like there's some dark, hidden secret link -- is just a myth,"

Trust authority! Don't question it. Anyone that wants you to ask questions is just trying to scare you.
He.

Ray

The question you should ask yourself is, under what criteria would you believe anything anyone says?

As far as you're concerned it's obvious and clear that no matter what Ayers says he is lying.

That's the reason you should continue to support universities, so they can still teach classes in logic.

ljm

Ayer's worldview is incredibly immature and naive. As result, I believe, of his priviledged upbringing and the fact that he has never been held accountable for his actions. Quite the contrary the man has been rewarded. At least until now...he decries the treatment he has received from the blogosphere.

Theodore Kaszinski and Mark Hoffman are rotting in prison and Ayer's is writing books, chairing boards, teaching the youth of America and chatting it up on talk shows.

At the vary least, I would expect, Pres. elect BHO to condemn that glaring contradiction of the system.

sbw

Romath, do you suppose casual meetings happened at 115 S. Sangamon Street, Chicago? You know, the same floor where Obama chaired the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and Bill Ayers had his Small schools office?

How do you suppose Obama got the CAC chair job? Suppose that Bill Ayers, who engineered the grant, was influential?

Ya know, Romath, ignorance can foster such irate comments... and your comments are needlessly irate.

Magic Dog

Earth to Wingnuts: No one cares!

sbw

Maybee: Trust authority! Don't question it.

Maybee, that is brilliant! To reverse the never-trust-authority disease that launched the Weather Underground in the days of nasty Democrats like LBJ is the perfect pie in the face for liberal know-nothings.

Patrick R. Sullivan

I'd like to see Obama answer his own questionaire:

"Have you ever had any association with any person, group or business venture that could be used--even unfairly--to impugn or attack your character and qualifications for government service?" (page 7, question 61).

Let's see, there are his father and mother, Frank Marshall Davis, the Marxist professors at Occidental, his pastor, his entire neighborhood....

ljmwilliamson@yahoo.com

No one cares Magic Dog?

Apparently somebody does, how else can you explain Ayers on ABC and the small fact that you clicked on this thread.

Sue

Earth to Wingnuts: No one cares!

Sad, isn't it? No one cares that the president-elect pals around with unrepentant domestic terrorists, but everyone, and I mean everyone, cared that George W. Bush knew Ken Lay. Strange how this all works, huh?

PeterUK

"He acknowledged holding one of maybe 20 coffees that Obama had as he started his State Senate campaign. I guess all 20 homeowners "launched" Obama's career."

Ayers hosted the first,thus started the ball rolling on Obama's political career.
About politics,a cardinal rule,be careful who you associate with,later it might come back and bite your arse.Second research your associates,for the above reason.
As for logic,if there is nothing to hide why dissemble ?
Very odd,is it not,that it is possible to be on a board that disburses some $150 million with a guy who lives in your neighbourhood without saying,"Hey are you the same Bill Ayers that is on my board"?
Stretches credulity does it not.
Why if the Obama/Ayers connection is so unimportant are so many, hitherto unknown trolls popping up like toadstools on a turd?

PeterUK

"Earth to Wingnuts: No one cares!"

Obviously you care Magic Dog, why else would you crawl out of the swamp to comment here?

Extraneus

It's heart-warming that they'd take the time away from basking in the glow just to come here and scream "Get a life!" so that we don't waste any of our effort on a non-story.

Extraneus

Speaking of arses, Peter, did you see Iowahawk's new gig?

PeterUK

Extraneus,
Obviously it is a scandal of great import to the left,that such even such lowly minions of the sinister should gibber forth from the ooze.If such dimwits are perturbed, then imagine the consternation amongst leftoids with an IQ larger that their penis size?

PeterUK

The first "such" is redundant,please retain it for a future posting whence it is omitted.

ljm

I wonder how many of us have attended a coffe clache at a terrorist's home.

There is a woman in my neighborhood who I have heard make anti-semetic remarks. I'm not ding dong ditching her house but I wouldn't consider giving so much as a Tupperware party with her either.

Extraneus

But of course.

I guess the problem is that they've spent so long dishonestly calling Bush dishonest, only to face the inconvenient truth that their new hero's foot fits right into that little glass slipper...well that must sting a bit.

After all, Obama did lie about Ayers.

clarice

Iowahawk's funny in any language..

peter

Did Cuomo ask Ayers if he was the ghost writer of Dreams From My Father? There really is a compelling argument to be made that the authors of both books are one and the same.

sylvia

"While I would like to know the answer, we may never know"

Well the only people who may know are the FBI. Steve Diamond, has anyone filed a Freedom of Information Act with the Feds on Ayers? A Freedom of Information Act, is, as I understand it, the only way to get the FBI files on someone. And you KNOW they have been watching Ayers these last 25 years. Especially during his South African protesting days, there's no telling who else is caught up in the files. Once we get the files on Ayers, we can dig through it to see any connections to Obama.

Chances are even if Obama by chance is on there, he may not be named or called by his real name on there, or even if he is named, his name will be blocked out. If it's blocked out, I believe you can sue the Feds to try and get it unblocked, but either way, we should be able to get some clues. It's worth a try anyway. Someone needs to do so.

And what the heck, someone needs to file a FOIA on Obama too. If he was a protestor of yorn of any note, he def has a file too. I'm wondering why no one had done this yet.

sylvia

By the way, not that it matters, but watching Bill Ayers talk for the first time, he definitely seems towards the homsexual bent. He talked about that in his 9/11 NYT interview about how his best male friend, whoever that was, was his lover for a long time. So if he is gay, what kind of marriage does he have? I suppose he and Dohrn can never get divorced because then they can be forced to testify agsint each other.

Come to think of it, that might be one reason Ayers would sabotage a bomb on his former girlfriend. He needed to clear the way to marry Dohrn, so that they had immunity on each other.

Peter Jones

As someone new to this space, please tell me your fascination over this Ayers guy? As a child of the 60's I "pal-ed" around with a lot of characters from that era...potheads, erstwhile radicals, freelove hippies, acid and coke heads. Got high a few times, sat through a few radical "overthrow the administration" meetings... "death to the pigs" kinda things. Made a lot of sense at the time and still does, but particularly under a "purple haze". What's worse, I sat through quite a few meeting with soon to be convicted felons in the 80's and 90's....you might remember the names.... Mike Milken, Ivan Boskey, and a few other lesser known names that ended up doing the "Perp Walk" again. These folks did more damage then the "radical weathermen" of the 60's, by the way. And now we have the out and out, murderous thieves of this latest financial crisis...and the federal government is actually helping them steal.

So, I ask the question...help me out. Why are you folks so fascinated and fixated on this "relationship" with Bill Ayers? You should be more concerned if he had a relationship with Halliburton, Citibank, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, et al. As this current administration has shown, its those kind of relationships that are more damaging and destructive then sitting around with a bunch of guys getting high and talking about overthrowing the world.

hrtshpdbox

Peter Jones, if you don't understand why someone who bombs government buildings and plans murders at military institutions is in a different category than Michael Milken of Halliburton, well then... you're not very bright. But that line works really well over at Daily Kos, go hook up with your soulmates!

PD

The question you should ask yourself is, under what criteria would you believe anything anyone says?

Maybe criteria such as that there is evidence to support what they say, and an absence of evidence that contradicts it?

Do Obama and Ayers, taken separately or together, your pick, satisfy these criteria?

sylvia

By the way looking at the election results this time, considering Obama only got 43% of the white vote, I tried to figure out how he won this time.

Comparing it to 2004 results, it seems that the difference was the difference in the black vote, 88% Dem last time, to this 95% this time for Obama. Also the Hispanic vote went from 53% Dem last time to 66% Dem this time. Like nerd, I made a little excel chart for myself, and using poulation estimates for the respective groups, and guessing a 10% higher turnout for blacks at 57% than for whites (50%), I believe that that that was enough to offset the lower white votes for O, even without a significantly greater black turnout than the last election. The smaller proportions of very high percentages made the difference.

hrtshpdbox

Michael Milken or Halliburton

glasater

Peter Jones--I would submit that the "high" you endured during your youth has affected your reasoning skills. Either that--you just haven't been keeping up you poor thing.

Michael Milken is a hero to a whole bunch of financial advisors of the time. Do you really know/understand what junk bonds were?

Also would like to thank Pofarmer for the link to the Lewis article. I read the book Liar's Poker when it came out and though it was interesting--I didn't buy into his assumptions at that time nor present ones.

Human nature is not perfect nor will it ever be on this earth and that is something the Left will never understand.

sylvia

"As someone new to this space, please tell me your fascination over this Ayers guy?"

Because looking at the strange coincidences in the life paths of Obama and Ayers, and how every career break Obama got since college was somehow strangely related to Ayers endeavors and to Ayers' patronage, it seems like "Obama" might be a creation of Ayers. Ayers might be the power behind the throne. And Ayers is not someone we want running this country. That is why we are fascinated by this.

Cecil Turner

As this current administration has shown, its those kind of relationships that are more damaging and destructive . . .

What a load of hooey. Just in case you're not keeping up with current events, the guys in Congress who ensured that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac weren't subject to SEC oversight were overwhelmingly Democrat, and Obama led the pack in collecting payoffs (after Chris Dodd, who collected less per year, but had more stamina). The "relationships" you're harping on are good evidence that the political opposition doesn't need much evidence to claim a foul (though luckily for us, there's plenty here).

. . . then sitting around with a bunch of guys getting high and talking about overthrowing the world.

As long as it's just talk, I guess that's okay. But the bombings, killing policemen, etc is hard to overlook (unless you're a leftist stumping for a Democrat, apparently).

Peter Jones

Thanks for the response, hrtshpdbox. That was very illuminating. By the way, do you put any caveats to your expressed outrage over "...understand(ing)why someone who bombs government buildings and plans murder at military institutions..." should always inspire terror in the populace at large? Is it always wrong to do such things?

If not, I'm sure you'd have been the first demanding the trial and execution of those radicals Patrick Henry, George Washington, Ben Franklin and others of their ilk, since I believe that is just what they did, too.

Extraneus

Ah, Haliburton. Almost couldn't figure out where you were coming from there for a minute.

As to the "fascination," you mention some former pals of ill repute, mostly druggies. You didn't say if any were killers, fugitives, fork-sticking fantasizers, etc. Anyway, did you often lie about your relationship with these pals? Ever team up with them to dole out millions to Anti-American political cronies, vote-riggers, etc., then lie about that, too? I don't mean Haliburton, of course. Bomb designers, folks like that.

matt

It's funny, really, that some people refuse to see the importance of the Ayers, or for that matter, the campaign finance issues. I've been reading various biographies of Lincoln, Washington, Adams, etc, and one of the absolutely clear messages from all of these men was that the concept of "public virtue" was one of the foundations of our country.

Today, we tolerate senators with pederast employees (Boxer), out and out crooks (Dodd, Obama, Frank, DeLay, Stevens, etc), and all sorts of self serving behavior in Washington with a public and a tame media that is at best apathetic, and at worst, trying to get in on the action.

Ayers did not just get high, he made bombs, planted them, and hurt people. He was an accessory to murder in the Greenwich Village explosion. There was a viciously Anti-American demographic that still exists, primarily in academia and the presumed intelligentsia, that at one time plotted for the overthrow of the government.

It was found in the early 1990's based on KGB documentation opened to researchers, that the USSR was secretly funding much of this and using both agents of influence and espionage to further their goal of weakening the United States. Not sure if Ayers would have even known of this, but it is a fact, and the Weather Underground were the most radical and violent of the groups at the time.

So yeah, it's important whom the President of the United States knows and listens to.

Ranger

So, I ask the question...help me out. Why are you folks so fascinated and fixated on this "relationship" with Bill Ayers?

Posted by: Peter Jones | November 14, 2008 at 03:39 PM

Because Obama lied about it, that's why. If he had been honest to begin with, this wouldn't be much of an issue. All he had to say was:

'I don't like this guys ideas or agree with him about revolution, but he was the core of the school reform movement in Chicago, and if you wanted to work on reforming educaiton there, you had to work with him.'

Instead, Obama chose to lie. Probably because he does to some degree agree with Ayers on his politics and ideas about revolution.

You should be more concerned if he had a relationship with Halliburton, Citibank, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, et al. As this current administration has shown, its those kind of relationships that are more damaging and destructive then sitting around with a bunch of guys getting high and talking about overthrowing the world.

Posted by: Peter Jones | November 14, 2008 at 03:39 PM

Well, I for one am plenty concerned about those relationthips too. Obama was very tight with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the entire concept of private profits and public losses. The people you listed, for the most part, gave $450 million to get Obama elected, probably becasue they hope he will transform the entire system into a model of FM/FM, where the big money can pocket any profit, and shove the losses on to the US taxpayer, just like Obama did for his friends with "affordable housing" in Chicago.

That's what 'spreading the wealth around' really means... taking it out of the pockets of the US taxpayer, and getting it into the pockets of politically connected Democrats.

hrtshpdbox

"...radicals Patrick Henry, George Washington, Ben Franklin and others of their ilk, since I believe that is just what they did, too."

The comparison between Ayers and Michael Milken, so now you'll try equating him with George Washington?? Alright, let's give it a shot; I'll venture that George Washington, unlike Ayers, wouldn't devise a plan to murder civilian wives of those he opposed, as Ayers did with his NCO club plans.

peter

By the way, not that it matters, but watching Bill Ayers talk for the first time, he definitely seems towards the homsexual bent. He talked about that in his 9/11 NYT interview about how his best male friend, whoever that was, was his lover for a long time. So if he is gay, what kind of marriage does he have? I suppose he and Dohrn can never get divorced because then they can be forced to testify agsint each other.

Ayers likes the kinky stuff all right, LUN.

So did Frank Marshall Davis.

sylvia

Here's a rough version of the excel chart as an fyi. (Sorry the columns don't line up.)

2004 Bush - 50.7%

%Pop TrnOut Vote Weighted
W 0.76 1.008 0.76608 0.588 0.450455
B 0.12 1.25 0.15 0.11 0.0165
H 0.12 0.75 0.09 0.44 0.0396

0.5065 %Vote

2008 Obama - 53%

%Pop TrnOut Vote Weighted
W 0.76 1 0.76 0.436 0.33136
B 0.12 1.25 0.15 0.95 0.1425
H 0.12 0.75 0.09 0.66 0.0594

0.5337 %Vote

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Tell me Peter Jones, are/were your heroes the Castro brothers, Pol Pot, Chavez, Che Guervara, Stalin, Hitler, etc.? Those are Ayers' heroes.

matt

Having served on a number of boards, if one is an active board member with a membership smaller than, say 20, one knows the other board members reasonably well. Depending on committee assignments, the relationships could be much closer.

It is clear that Obama lied about his relationships with Ayers, as much because there are so many coincidences of his attendance at various functions which Ayers also attended. In addition, if one hosts a campaign kick off event at one's home for the candidate as happened at Ayers/Dorhn's home, it can be reasonably assumed that they knew each other as more than passing acquaintances, and probably in fact, fairly well, as one does not normally open ones home to strangers.

It can be assumed that the circle of people attending knew one another reasonably well and were prepared to support the candidate. In fact, if Illinois law is similar to that of many other states, the names can be found by matching campaign contributions to dates.

Obama has a history of prevarication that is quite disturbing.

PeterUK

Sylvia,
Ayers best friend was Terry Robbins,he was killed in the same explosion as Diana Oughton Ayers girlfriend.Now there is a menage a trois you can conjure with.
Try the FSB for up to date information on Ayers and Obama.

PeterUK

Has anybody noticed that the trolls have been upgraded? There really is shit on the end of this stick.

Peter Jones

OK, folks! Got it! Thanks for the responses and giving me the 411 on your perspective. I see where you're coming from on this. The angle makes some sense. You're all nutty, paranoid, "black helicopter" folks, but, at least you make some sense on this line of questioning. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind when Bill Ayers is installed as Secretary of Defense! lol ;-)!

ljm

As a child you pal-ed around with.....As an adult have you put aside these childish things? Apparently not if you still believe it makes sense. So does Bill Ayers.

The kind of moral relativism exposed in your post and espoused by Ayers is not capable of seeing right from wrong.

I don't want a president that can't see right from wrong and if Barrack Obama has sympathy for the kind of moral relativism that William Ayers embraces, I don't think he is capable of governing my country.

If he doesn't have sympathy for it, let him say so instead we get from BHO something like this: "Ayer's did despicable things when I was eight years old", which suggests that now Ayer's is a great guy and has put all of his wrong headed thinking behind him.

Ayer's has not.

He has said he doesn't "want to discount the possiblity of doing it (the bombings)again," and he wishes he had done more.

Why won't BHO condemn that?

Ranger

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94EUBDO0&show_article=1>Freddie seeks gov't aid after $25.3B loss

And here is a look at neo-liberalism, which should now be renaimed Obamanomics, in action.

Private profit(for well connected Democrats)

Public losses (for the US taxpayer)

Elliott

You're all nutty, paranoid, "black helicopter" folks, but, at least you make some sense on this line of questioning.

John Le Carré commented? That's almost as exciting as Rove being a TM fan.

clarice

peter, that's my take on Ayers, too.

PDinDetroit

PDNFTT

Pofarmer

Boy, this pisses me off. Most of you probably know that the public airwaves are going digital. If you have a little bit older TV this requires a converter box. About a year ago my Computer modem went out and I decided to go ahead and get a converter box so I could get the digital weather channels and etc. Well, you could apply for a "discount card" that's a Federal program that gives $40 or whatever off the cost of the box. Most boxes cost around $60. So, I go get the converter box, and send in the application for the govt grant thingy.

Well, whaddaya know, just TODAY I get a letter in the mail.

Dear Consumer

We are writing in regard to your recent applications for the TV converter box Coupon Program. Your application was not approved because the address you provided coulld not be verified as an eligible U.S. household. An eligible household must have a valid postal street address within the United States or its Territories. BUsinesses and group living quarters anre not eligible for the program.

If the above address is correct, and is the address of your household, please reply by sending this letter, along with a statement that your address is correct and is a residential address which receives mail delivery by the UnitedStates Postal Service, to:

The address is correct, too.

Do we really want these people administering our health care?

George S

So what...Obama lied. What recourse is there since he is now elected? Maybe the Electors (as in Electoral College) will not cast ballots for him. (Now there's the start of a shooting war.)

The tough part to digest here is not that he lied, but that 52% of our family, friends and neighbors don't care. Don't tell me they don't know - they know very well who and what Ayers is about. They. Do. Not. Care.

PeterUK

"You're all nutty, paranoid, "black helicopter" folks, but, at least you make some sense on this line of questioning."

Put it this way sunshine,Obama is acquainted with Tony Rezko a slum landlord and convicted felon,Frank Marshall Davis a communist and self confessed paedophile and Bill Ayers communist and attempted mass murderer.
WTF is "black helicopters" about that? You still on the shit you were taking in the sixties,or something stronger?

PDinDetroit

Peter - something stronger: Obama Kool-Aid, all the different flavors mixed together to make black.

Somehow, it always ends up a strange Grey color...

PeterUK

"Don't tell me they don't know - they know very well who and what Ayers is about. They. Do. Not. Care."

You don't seemed to have read the topic of the thread,the MSM blanked this,the issue was never allowed to rear its ugly head.
But, you know George,at lot of people will be reading the intelligence files on the future president,Putin,Ahmadinejad,and you know what George,it there is shit on his shoes,America is going to get shafted.
So get interested George,for all your sakes.

Enlightened

"Some are you are still so racist you just sit back and try to digup shit"

Hell yeah I am racist - I hate degenerate white bombers that attribute their violent acts on their ideology of peace.

I hate 'em so much, that even if they did their bombing when I was two, I would never suck their ass and work side by side with them scooping up dog shit.

Sadly our president elect and his ignorant peons believe aggressive violence is not a character flaw.

Sue

Peter Jones,

Are you running for president? If so I care about who you ran around with. If not, I don't. Very simple.

PDinDetroit

Sadly our president elect and his ignorant peons believe aggressive violence is not a character flaw.

Enlightened - this could be a good thing when dealing with out enemies. The problem is that Obama thinks we are them.

We are the enemies that we have been waiting for...

Sue

If not, I'm sure you'd have been the first demanding the trial and execution of those radicals Patrick Henry, George Washington, Ben Franklin and others of their ilk, since I believe that is just what they did, too.

You are comparing Henry, Washington and Franklin to Bill Ayers?

Folks, it is true, what they say. There is a fool born every minute and most of them wind up here as trolls.

Enlightened

"As for boards, members rarely see each other between meetings or organization events unless they have some other connection"

Are you people stupid or just idiots?

Ayers just said they were "family friends" - I'm guessing they "connect ie: other connection" occasionally outside the boardroom.

Of course there are those "family friends" that get thrown under the bus and aren't allowed to sip from the Cup."

Apparently bomb-makers are somewhat more sippy-Cup worthy.

Enlightened

Earth to Wingnuts: No one cares!

You are sadly mistaken.

PDinDetroit

Sue - there are MANY MORE that couldn't even make it this far. What is lower than a troll? Idgit Galoots?

Like the one's who think "The One" will pay their way.

sbw

Well, the Peter Jones on the other thread was asked to decide if he was a troll. We have the answer. Into the trollblocker he goes.

PeterUK

The link under the name of Peter makes Ayers sound like a middle class Charlie Manson.

peter

Anyone think that Ayers would go to the Inauguration? Why shouldn't he, he's a a distinguished professor of education.

George S

Peter, I know very well what the implications are here but I am wary of being hopeful that this will mean anything. I think this opening of the Ayers nest is a calculated strategy by the Obama people. It's a page from the Clinton playbook: get the dirty laundry out there yourself before it festers into pile of crap that a special prosecutor steps into. When it then comes time for 2012, Obama can laugh off any references to Ayers as old-news-nothing-to-see-here-can-we-now-move-forward blah blah blah.

Yes, this will be interesting to see how it plays out but I seriously doubt anything about this will linger for more than a month. Maybe I am wrong; the MSM will actually do its job.

sbw

Character is important. People of character do not choose to be around people without character.

If someone chooses to be around people who lack character, it shows lack of character, and I certainly would avoid them.

I guess I'm not looking to be around Bill Ayers, Barack Obama,... or Peter Jones because he seems not to understand that this could be a matter of character.

PeterUK

George,
It doesn't matter about the American people or the MSM,it matters that the intelligence agencies of foreign powers could have the leader of the free world by the balls.
They won't leak it in the US,it will be via some foreign MSM,just when Obama is negotiating something.
It is essential that Obama comes clean now rather than leaving it to fester.

Extraneus

Is it possible that Obama and Ayers were lovers?

sbw

Obama and Ayers were lovers?

Who cares what someone does in the privacy of a bedroom. Not me.

The sin would be the lie, not the sex.

clarice

It's not just that he's connected to these bad people, but no one can point to a close friend except the Wright,Ayers Rezko trio. The very most benign explanation I can give for this is that he's an utterly cold, calculating guy with no values to speak of who figured correctly these guys would help him get where he wanted and now that he's there, he'll abandon them entirely.

PeterUK

The problem is Ayers.The KGB will have had,given Ayers activities and sexual proclivities,a file on Ayers that would make your hair curl.Not going to be very edifying splashed over a tabloid,"US President in Pervert Bomber Link".

clarice

Well, PUK, it'll distract everyone while we do our climate change (now it's freezing) hat trick.

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