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November 06, 2008

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clarice

Well, he got Missouri and the show me state is never wrong, Tom.

MayBee

Knowing McCain got Sebilius's and McCaskill's states gives me a special joy.

bgates

I will take a stand and Boldly Assert that the AP is not enshrined there as the arbiter of election results.
Check back in 18 months.

Buford Gooch

I was resigned to vote for McCain, because he was the lesser of two weasels. If a Republican had to lose, I'm fairly happy that it was him. He ran a respectful (read: wussy) campaign. He came close to an endorsement of Obama. I'm pretty disgusted with my party overall. I'm a member of the religious right, a strong Second Amendment supporter, and 100% in favor of limited government. McCain didn't come very close on any of the three. (Palin, of course, hit all three.)

Sue

I am seeing all over the web comments about how Obama had is come to Jesus moment when he sees the dangers facing the US and will shift his policies. For real? People believe he will have a come to Jesus moment? Like Carter did when he saw the same threats? It isn't in their psychy to have a come to Jesus moment. They think they can change the world.

Sue

I just posted a comment on Fox about Palin's alleged lack of knowledge about world facts. I made the point that it says more about our schools and colleges than Palin if she doesn't know Africa is a continent and that South Africa is a country within that continent. While I don't believe the stories about her being dumb, I would like to relate an anecdotal story about a young person I work with. Last year, on December 7th, I made the comment that today was the day that lived in infamy. She looked at me like I was speaking Greek. I asked her if she knew what happened on December 7, 1941 and she said uh, no. I asked her if she had seen Ben Affleck's movie, Pearl Harbor. She replied yes. I said well there you go, a way to remember this day in history. Roosevelt was wrong, apparently. It only lived in infamy for a few generations.

hrtshpdbox

"I'm a member of the religious right, a strong Second Amendment supporter, and 100% in favor of limited government. McCain didn't come very close on any of the three."

Well, I supported Huckabee in comments on this site, not because I'm religious (I'm not) but because I thought Huckabee generated enthusiasm and votes - I thought he'd have a a better chance of beating a Democrat than the other choices. Here, the choice was generally Thompson, Guiliani, and Romney (pretty much in that order, too), who I didn't feel were likely to be win many votes. Even though in our moments of recrimination I could say that Huckabee would have been unlikely to do much worse than McCain, and might've done a whole lot better, it's probably just as apt to note that any Republican was up against it this time 'round.

Sue

hrtshpdbox,

I don't believe any of those you mentioned would have stood up at the convention and passionately told us he would name names and begged us to fight with him only to not name names and allow the meme to be repeated by Obama, without much challenge, that Bush's policies were at fault. In fact, I think Romney would have done the best in this situation because he does understand the economy better than any of them.

Extraneus

Trash Sarah, huh? Well then, I contributed $20 to Palin For America. Seems like the transaction went through. There are a few bitter-enders commenting on the site, but no new posts. I'll report back if I get an email explaining where the money went.

hrtshpdbox

Sue, I can't disagree with anything you say there. Next time, let's hope the primaries don't feature three or four conservative Republicans running against one "moderate" one.

Rick Ballard

McCain finished off Huckabee with the Hagee endorsement which effectively split the SBC vote. It also finished off McCain with a great number of Catholics and justifiably so. Huckabee's problem going forward (aside from the general antipathy felt by many towards him) is that he does not have a platform at the moment. Romney can afford to hire flacks to keep his name from disappearing but Huckabee can't.

I have nothing against Romney but I wouldn't lift a finger or spend a dime to support his candidacy. If Richie Rich wants to run on his own dime, good for him. I won't support another moderate Republican, period. Choking back the gag reflex on the egomaniac who just got his ass deservedly kicked is going to be a once in a life time experience for me.

A.B.

It's not only our left that's on the move. I just read that Israel's left is attempting to elect their new prime minister based on his compatibility with Obama. It seems odd and sort of desperate to appoint an elected official based on how he will get along with the leader of another country, even if we're their most important ally. Also, the ideals of our liberal illuminati president are not held by all Americans or reflected (yet) in legislature, so it's too early to tell exactly how Obama will implement his foreign policy, thereby affecting Israel.

glenda waggoner

Hit--sorry about NC--I hope you are safe, though suspect you'll be fine.

I loathe the national enquirer tactics of some in the McCain camp--Palin was the brightest spot of this campaign. Her future will be outstanding and I'm sure the backstabbers will learn to kiss-up soon. If you cannot accept responsibility for your actions, the staff who worked with McCain are showing the no-character, classless acts of former losers, Kerry & Gore!
As Rove said, less "right leaning" voters came out to vote--McCain has character and personal honor but no charisma and evidently, not too great leadership to let the crybabies of his campaign continue to malign the future of conservative women.

Bon Voyage, to all the JOM's cruisers. Say, hey! to the big boys for me!

glasater

I truly believe that if Israel doesn't "do something" between now and 1/21/09--they are toast--and therefore all of us.

Terry Gain

In reality McCain is a lousy communicator, almost as bad as Bush. When the story finally came out about Obama’s January 2008 statements that he would bankrupt the coal mining industry McCain lacked the rhetorical skill to capitalize on the issue. The day after the story broke I saw him give a speech. He confined his attack to saying Obama was against coal. He avoided the use of the word bankrupt. It was pathetic.

It was the last in a long list of McCain communication failures.

Jor

Obama also won Omaha. (NE-2)

Terry Gain

"I truly believe that if Israel doesn't "do something" between now and 1/21/09--they are toast--and therefore all of us."

But Obama says it would be unacceptble for Iran to have nuclear weapons. I'm sure he'll tell Ahmadinejad exactly that when they meet - assuming Obama can satisy the pre- meeting conditions and a meeting actally does take place.

Jor

glaster: Obama just made a former volunteer for the IDF his chief of staff. Seriously you guys are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the reservation.

Terry Gain

The people off the reservation are those without serious qualms about the fitness of a CIC who advocated conceding oil rich Iraq to al Qaeda and Iran.

jimrhoads aka vnjagvet

Jor:

I hope you are right about Emanuel. I fear you may not be.

matt

glas;

I mentioned that possibility iin an e mail to a friend at CENTCOM last week. Obama is not as friendly to Israel as previous presidents, and the I's really, really want to take out the Iranian nuke program. We have a lame duck president and the Iranians are expecting a shipment of the latest Russian AA and AAA batteries. Not good. I hope I'm way wrong on this one, but in the biz, you prepare for the unexpected.

Pofarmer

Well, I supported Huckabee in comments on this site, not because I'm religious (I'm not) but because I thought Huckabee generated enthusiasm and votes

The media would have absolutely savaged Huckabee as a former Baptist preacher.

M. Simon

When the story finally came out about Obama’s January 2008 statements that he would bankrupt the coal mining industry McCain lacked the rhetorical skill to capitalize on the issue.

But Obama's position was McCain's position. I have video.

LUN scroll down if it is not on top (LUN = Link Under Name)

M. Simon

Obama also won Omaha. (NE-2)

Omaha is liberal with a large Jewish and AA community. What else would you expect.

BTW I graduated from Central High in '62.

glasater

Here is that article once again that poses a 'what if' scenario The impending strike on Iran
By David Fink
.

Maybe France will help Israel out if the US doesn't.

Terry Gain

M Simon

I reviewed the video. You overstate the case against McCain.

Although naive and a true believer of AGW he did not wax enthusiastically about bankrupting the coal industry.

kim

Glasater, Fink gets a little convoluted, but I agree fundamentally that a strike against Iran will occur in the next two months. I suspect it will be conventional only. I think Israel already has the bunker busters and the only support we'll have to provide are tankers and air control, which can be authorized in minutes. As Fink notes, the Arab world will not object, nor will the extra Arab Sunni world. Nor will the Europeans. I made the point months ago that Bush would be doing his successor, whoever it might be, a favor by neutralizing Iran's nuclear threat.

Eight years ago, Bush faced a dangerous Libya, Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. Only one to go.
=========================================

kim

I made a similar prediction four years ago, by the way. Wrong was I.
===================================

Jor

M Simon: Nebraska has never split its vote.

Jor

TM -- by the way -- like the majority of your posters -- I think your grasp on statistics is poor. NC 11,000 margin is unlikely to flip -- even on recount. The networks call a state when it's something like 1 in 250 that they are wrong. McCain probably won MO, but there might be a 1 in 100 chance Obama can win it, which is why they aren't officially calling it.

glasater

Don't know if the Livni will go along with any attack on Iran after cruising through a couple of Jewish newspapers. But maybe she isn't the one really running things.

PeterUK

"TM -- by the way -- like the majority of your posters -- I think your grasp on statistics is poor"

Speak for yourself,you arrogant little snot.

Pofarmer

Obama also won Omaha. (NE-2)

And lincoln too, so what's yer point? He won practically every urbanized area in the U.S.

Jor

Pofarmer: Obama CRUSHED McCain. He won everywhere except the confederacy. States Bush won by double digits, near 20 points (GA, SC), McCain won by 5-6 points. Bush won TX by 23 points. McCain won by 11 points.

THE *ONLY* place McCain did well was the deep-deep south. I Wonder why that could be? HMMMMMM. McCain got WHOOOOOPED on everywhere.

Jor

JUST TO rub it in, lets see:

Bush '04/ Mcain / Change
MT +20 pts / +2 pts / (-18)
ND: +30 / +9 / (-21)
SD +20 / + 9 / (-11)
NE: +32 / + 16 / (-16)
KA: +26 / + 15 / (-11)

Those are state McCain won -- and he lost 10-20 pts over 4 years ago.

Sue

Seriously, what does it matter now what Obama won? He won.

Sue

What are you saying Jor? You think he didn't win the south because he's black? You might ask yourself why the "confederacy" didn't like Kerry either. Or you might just keep on acting the fool. Wonder which way you'll go?

Jor

Sue -- my only point is to make it so everyone here realizes it was a BLOW OUT. Further, if you exclude the deep-south it was a SUPER blow out.

My last point is, the deep-south is the ONLY part of the country where McCain did better than Bush '04. The *only* part. I'll let you decide what that means. Everywhere else McCain is doing significantly worse than Bush (especially states he won).

jean

THANK YOU Jor that proves once again the south is far smarter than the rest of the country

Sue

I'll decide. He is the 3rd most liberal senator in the senate. The deep south is which states exactly? He won VA. He won NC. He won FL. Last I heard, those were considered the deep south and were certainly confederate states. I don't know about the rest of the "deep" south, but I do know what turned out everyone in my county. Sarah Palin. Make of that what you will. We have a black mayor, BTW.

Sue

Oh, and we also had a black sheriff until he retired 2 elections ago. He won in a landslide each time. We in the "deep" south need to learn a thing or two, I suppose.

Pagar

" hope you are right about Emanuel."

At her blog, Debbie Schlussel says:

"In fact, Rahm Emanuel is the one who forced Israeli Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin to shake terrorist Yasser Arafat's hand at the White House, a most disgusting moment."

LUN

I do not believe Obama would allow anyone to be in his inner circle who is pro Israeli.

Rick Ballard

60.7 is a blowout. 52% is ho hum. Hell, I predicted 51%.

Pofarmer

my only point is to make it so everyone here realizes it was a BLOW OUT

Less than 5 pts nationally is a Blow out???? Really?

Sue

As a comparison, Kerry was a volunteer member of our military and had no problem kicking it in the nuts when it suited him to do so. Just because Emanuel served in the IDI, just because he is Jewish, doesn't mean he will put Israel's interests ahead of his and Barack's.

Sue

No, a blowout is what Reagan did. Obama just won.

MayBee

George HW Bush beat Dukakis 53.4% - 45.6%

I'm sure many Republicans thought something that good would last forever.
Jor.

Sue

Yeah. Barney bit a member of the press. What a smart doggy.

bad

Sue

On the other thread I was speculating about Khalidi's and Ayer's reaction to Emanuel. Maybe they are all tight.

MJW

In the 12 previous presidential elections, beginning in 1960, the average margin of victory was 8.35%. In half the elections the margin of victory was above the last election's 6.3%, in half it was below.

I'm sure many Republicans thought something that good would last forever.

And no doubt many Democrats think their current situation will last forever. I've lived long enough to hear both parties pronounced dead and buried. It was only back in 2002 when people were wondering if the Democrats had a future.

Keep in mind that Johnson beat Goldwater 61% to 38.5%, and by the end of his term had so little support that he couldn't seek re-election. Nixon beat McGovern 60.7% to 37.5% and was forced to resign. Clinton beat Dole 49.3% to 40.7%, and was impeached.

clarice

Hmm, MJW, Looks like bad luck to hold the office for more than 1 term, doesn't it?

joan

Jor, what keeps your ignorant mouth flapping? Malice?

Pagar

Sue, Do you have a link for this statement?

"Just because Emanuel served in the IDI"

Bad,
Is there anyway all the Emanuel posts could be placed some where, where one could review or add to them?

Here's one from Illinois Review, be sure and check the update (IMO,the update is stranger than the original post), and some of the comments are good too.

"Why doesn't Rahm Emanuel pay property taxes?"

Sue

Pagar,

No, sorry. I haven't looked it up. I heard it either on the radio today or Fox.

Sue

It was only back in 2002 when people were wondering if the Democrats had a future.

That thought crossed my mind today when I was listening to pundits declaring Republicans and conservatism dead.

bad

Pagar

What an interesting story regarding property taxes.

I don't know what to do about the Emanuel posts except ask Dr.J to gather them at his site.

clarice

Pagar google Rahm Emanel IDF and you'll find a zillion sources. His dad was in the IRgun and according to jimrhodes, FNC reported that his dad was a Mossad intell operative, too.

jimrhoads aka vnjagvet

I believe I misheard the commentator on Fox, gang. I thought I heard "intelligence" but when she was on the second time, she clearly said Irgun, the underground during British rule.

Clarice, didn't many men in Irgun populate Mossad after Israel became a Nation?

clarice

I don't know..I'll have to correct my blog..

clarice

Jim--this obit indicates that in the early 50's large numbers of Irgun members were recruited into Mossad.
http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:5bd3NDEfC7kJ:www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000240.html+Irgun+members+in+Mossad&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us>Irgun and Mossad

jimrhoads aka vnjagvet

Sorry for the apparent misinformation. I should have been listening when I was typing.

clarice

That's okay..Because you're so reliable I didn't follow my usual practice of waiting until I can see a transcript or video--it's not terrible important.

Pagar

Clarice, I googled it (before I asked) and I see some sources that say that he served in the IDF, but I don't see any that I would consider official sources. Looking at the State Dept site, it looks like there was a rule change, but it used to be that American citizens serving in foreign militaries was a way to lose American citizenship.

clarice

The SCOTUS ruled sometime ago that something else--a clear, affirmative relinquishment of US citizenship before witnesses ( likeEmbassy personal)was needed to lose one's citizenship. I think this came about because some citizens found themselves impressed into duty in foreign armies and in other cases the US had no objection to serive in allied armies..Anyone service in a foreign military will not usually cost you your citizenship.

clarice

**likeEmbassy personNEl**

MayBee
And no doubt many Democrats think their current situation will last forever. I've lived long enough to hear both parties pronounced dead and buried. It was only back in 2002 when people were wondering if the Democrats had a future.

Thank you, MJW.

jimrhoads aka vnjagvet

Clarice:

On September 14 1952, Reuben Shiloach, the first head of Mossad, retired, leaving the organisation in the hands of the 40-year-old Harel. As the new Memuneh (“the one in charge”), Harel recruited large numbers of former Irgun and Stern Gang members; among them Yitzhak Shamir, the future prime minister.

Under Harel, Shamir became Mossad’s chief of European Operations, a job he held for 10 years. Harel, meanwhile, became one of Israel’s most powerful figures, heading Mossad and Shin Bet and becoming chairman of the secret services’ co-ordinating committee.

Source:

ISRAELI SPYMASTER LED “OPERATION EICHMANN”

Israeli spymaster led ‘Operation Eichmann’
Obituary
The (London) Daily Telegraph
February 19, 2003

Obit of Isser Harel

link

jimrhoads aka vnjagvet

I didn't see your post upthread, Clarice.

I found the same thing you did, but, as usual, a day late and a dollar short.

Gettin' old.

PD

THE *ONLY* place McCain did well was the deep-deep south. I Wonder why that could be? HMMMMMM.

and

My last point is, the deep-south is the ONLY part of the country where McCain did better than Bush '04. The *only* part. I'll let you decide what that means.

If you have an allegation to make, make it. Otherwise, inviting us to read your mind is an invitation I suspect most of us don't find attractive.

clarice

Well, Jim, we BOTH are old. Big deal. I can find stuff faster than you can..but yu can type better than I..together we make quite a team.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Jor: It wasn't a blow out. Republicans stayed home in the West because hours before their polls closed, the networks had called it for Obama. And, blacks turned out in record numbers in the urban areas of every state.

Via Tammy Bruce:

Report: '08 turnout same as or only slightly higher than '04

A new report from American University’s Center for the Study of the American Electorate concludes that voter turnout in Tuesday’s election was the same in percentage terms as it was four years ago — or at most has risen by less than 1 percent.

The report released Thursday estimates that between 126.5 and 128.5 million Americans cast ballots in the presidential election earlier this week. Those figures represent 60.7 percent or, at most, 61.7 percent of those eligible to vote in the country.

“A downturn in the number and percentage of Republican voters going to the polls seemed to be the primary explanation for the lower than predicted turnout,” the report said. Compared to 2004, Republican turnout declined by 1.3 percentage points to 28.7 percent, while Democratic turnout increased by 2.6 points from 28.7 percent in 2004 to 31.3 percent in 2008...

“Many people were fooled (including this student of politics although less so than many others) by this year’s increase in registration (more than 10 million added to the rolls), citizens’ willingness to stand for hours even in inclement weather to vote early, the likely rise in youth and African American voting, and the extensive grassroots organizing network of the Obama campaign into believing that turnout would be substantially higher than in 2004,” Curtis Gans, the center’s director, said in the report. “But we failed to realize that the registration increase was driven by Democratic and independent registration and that the long lines at the polls were mostly populated by Democrats.”

And I will remind you again about the popular vote differences for McCain who received 56,904,214 popular votes and Obama who tallied 64,644, 293. That's a difference of 7,740,079, millions less than the population of Los Angeles county, and about half a million less than the population of New York City.

DrJ

I don't know what to do about the Emanuel posts except ask Dr.J to gather them at his site.

Send them along and I will put them up.

Rick Ballard

"Otherwise, inviting us to read your mind is an invitation I suspect most of us don't find attractive."

PD,

Most of us don't own electron microscopes even with the vanishingly small chance that we might wish to try.

DrJ

A PET scan might work better than any form of electron microscopy. Yes, I know that was a throw-away.

bgates

MJW, that's good stuff.

Isn't it horribly insensitive of Obama to have one of those evil Zionists in the White House? Don't the Kossacks think the Irgun was the al Qaeda of the 30s?

jimrhoads aka vnjagvet

That's right, bgates. And some of those nuts accused Mossad of complicity in 9/11.

There are rumors out there that Rahm Emanuel is/was a Mossad agent.

Ho boy.

Rick Ballard

DrJ,

Would a PET scan get better results than a cloud chamber? After all, there's a fair chance we're talking subatomic here.

DrJ

Cloud chamber? What's that?

A PET scan has a resolution of a mm or so, but it does detect brain activity (from glucose metabolism). It does have the advantage of being non-invasive.

If you are truly looking at subatomic (!), then use AFM or one of the related tools.

If we torture this enough, it probably will confess. I do that with data all the time.

Jor

PALIN IS BEING BURRIED ALIVE. HEH

I breathlessly await TM's indepth analysis.

Jor

BTW Karl Rove calls Obama "center-right"

MJW

Jor: BTW Karl Rove calls Obama "center-right"

Fact: On Hannity and Colmes, Rove said, "But let's make it clear, he ran a center-right campaign"; then responded to Colmes's comment, "Center right? He was accused of being a radical socialist...," with, "Well, if you dug in, but the tone on the outside was in the center of our country."

M. Simon

Sue,

That thought crossed my mind today when I was listening to pundits declaring Republicans and conservatism dead.

Evidently conservatism is not dead. It just found a new home in the Democrat party. Cultural conservatives should be ecstatic.

We now have two culturally conservative economically liberal parties in America. And you know libertarians are not welcome in either.

And to think I wasted the last four years supporting the Republican Party. What did I get for my efforts? An invite by a Real Conservative™ to stop hanging out around here where cultural conservatism is the only way.

Well I get the message. My support for a party that has no room for my values ends today. Call me independent. I'm no longer a party man. You want my vote? Earn it.

M. Simon

Although naive and a true believer of AGW he did not wax enthusiastically about bankrupting the coal industry.

He was all for burning natural gas instead. And he seemed to think that the coal industry was going to have to sacrifice itself for the good of "the planet".

I have no problem with that if we had a viable replacement. We got nothin.

M. Simon

Theoretically, there is opportunity for the Republicans--if they can somehow jettison the more primitive parts of their social agenda and come up with their own bold, environmentally sound energy agenda. The new hegemons could easily be painted as moralistic hypocrites who live the carbon-heavy luxury lifestyle of the super-rich while demanding ordinary Americans give up their cars, homes and even their jobs.

Yet given the creative class' increasing domination of the media, and the inability of the GOP to comprehend the changing world around it, such a counterstroke may be years in coming. For the time being we will just have to watch to see if the new economic order can perform better than the now largely discredited old business establishment whose time in the sun, at least for now, has set.

The Creative Class

Angie Smith

What a wonderful endorsement from the Taliban for Obama! So they're ready to begin talks. I wonder if the Big O will tell Iran that it's unacceptable for them to have nuclear weapons and if they don't agree to dismantle them, that an airstrike against Iran would occur. Obama and his liberal, left-wing illuminatis think they can change the world by "talking" and being "nice" to these countries who want to destroy us. Are they sitting on their brains?

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