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November 18, 2008

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BumperStickerist

My guess is that Hillary(!) will play the role of "John the Baptist" to the Middle East.

She'll go forth and let the people in the Middle East know that One is following her whose sandals she is not fit to tie.

Obama will then show up.

Whereupon, doves descend, lions lie down with lambs, swords morph into ploughshares, priests of Ba'al are immolated, swarms of locusts, plagues of toads ...

it's all good.

.

clarice

Sweetness & Light believes at one of those questions in the 63 pp Obama-aire was designed for Clinton..in fact he shows that the NYT pdf version has the name Clinton penciled in by someone in the margin.Curiosuly, the NYT today runs an article questioning for the first time I believe Clinton's money raking in operation in the ME.

Will Wills

Her confirmation for either the Supreme Court or for State would sail through the Senate. Who or what would stop her.

Senatorial courtesy is huge, they watch out for each other. Orin Hatch would have been confirmed easily if Bush had nominated him. Leiberman, Kerry or Lugar for State likewise.

These people vote and speak on all sides of everything. And they allow each other to do so. Just remember Kerry voting for before voting against. 100% of them do that 90% of the time. Never look to the Senate or House to find principles.

Pofarmer

O.K. This is proof that we're not teaching Economics or science in school anymore.

From Zogby.com


UTICA, New York - More than three in four voters - 78% - believe investing in clean energy is important to revitalizing America's economy. Of those, 50% said they strongly agree clean energy investment is vital to the nation's economic future, a new Zogby Interactive post-election poll shows.

Support for clean energy investment is particularly strong among younger voters - 87% of those age 18-24 and 80% of those age 18-29 believe this type of investment is necessary to help improve the U.S. economy. African American voters (94%) and Hispanic voters (84%) also showed overwhelming support for clean energy investment.


While the vast majority of Democrats (96%) and independent voters (77%) view clean energy investment as a key means to boost the U.S. economy, more than half of Republican voters (58%) also said the same.

What will it take for economic reality to kick these people in the head?

Neo

This guy is shameless .. still.

Charlie (Colorado)

What will it take for economic reality to kick these people in the head?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

RichatUF

Pofarmer-

What will it take for economic reality to kick these people in the head?

Unemployment and rolling blackouts-but those could probably be blamed on the evil coal companies. It is good to see that Team Obama is picking up Clinton's old trick of polling minuta, ginning the results up to show overwhelming support, and then propose micro-initives to fatten supporters. Dick Morris and Mark Penn must be quietly sharing the moment.

Porchlight

Neo,

I wish our President-Elect came with a similar certificate of authenticity.

Skeptic

Does anyone else think the Hillary for State thing is just a charade? I can't believe Obama wants Hillary anywhere near his administration, let alone in such a high-profile post. And Hillary probably has long known this -- wouldn't be suprised if Obama's people already told the Clintons as much some time ago. So they agree to this face-saving scenario for Hillary, where he "offers" her the post subject to all the conflict clearances knowing that there is zero chance Bill and Hill can pass that test, and Hillary will eventually make a statement about how she wants to continue to represent the great people of New York in the Senate and Bill should keep doing his important work. Obama will have placated the Hillary supporters and Hillary can pretend she was paid the respect to which she is entitled.

But it's all a charade.

Bel Air

I'm with Skeptic. The SoS job is for the Puma dead enders. Hillary gets 'un-dissed' (and money to repay campaign loans) and the Pumas join the O-fold.

No matter how bad it gets the Republicans cannot must enough firepower to weaken Obama. Republicans can be ignored. As always. But Republicans plus Pumas can't be ignored.

Bel Air

must = muster

Daddy

Might I suggest that for all these potential Cabinet Members they all join the next class in POW Training at Warner Springs. I see the President elect is making sure that it is reported that he is now reading books on FDR's administration, as well as one on Lincoln, (probably Doris Kearnes Goodwin's Team of Rivals). I would suggest a week in the woods shivering with the troops they'll be commanding, ala waterboards etc, might be of similar value.

Barney Frank

Obama will then show up.

Whereupon, doves descend, lions lie down with lambs, swords morph into ploughshares, priests of Ba'al are immolated, swarms of locusts, plagues of toads ...

it's all good.

Well in the real story Obama would end up nailed to a chunk of wood and lacking the ability to raise himself from the dead I suspect he will suffer the same modern day fate of every idiot politician who tries to impose a solution on Israel; a nice shiny Arab khanjar in the back.

clarice

I do not think it's a charade. It would cost him unbelievable amounts of capital to allow this meeting and speculation and then not offer her the position. There's a possibility the Clintons might decide that bottling up Bill is too expensive a price, but it must appear the choice was their's to make.

JM Hanes

Being Obama's nominal first choice for SOS does a lot more for Hillary than actually accepting the spot. Contra Beinart, influence is not a function of rank, but of the President's pleasure and whatever access and/or independence he allows. Obama is all about control -- controlling the message, the image, the access, the money -- and that's what this is about. Cabinet appointees won't be carving out territories in his administration, least of all arch rival Hillary. She'll toe the line or get the boot, and he's certainly not about to let her claim credit for any foreign policy successes at the expense of his own political capital.

If Hillary turns him down (and she'd be crazy not to), he'll get points for asking. If she accepts, she cedes leadership of the Senate (advantage Obama), and once her seat is filled, Obama can fire her at will -- effectively removing her from the political power structure almost entirely. If she actually survives his first term in office, she'll be in no position to run against him again either. From an Obama perspective this is all good.

If Obama's administration goes down in flames, Hillary won't be in a position to run against anybody else either, so I'm not seeing any percentage for Hillary in sacrificing her own power base to accept. There could be something, or some backroom deal, that I'm not seeing, but unless the Clintons are contemplating a little international highlife before permanent retirement, I see her playing this for the coverage and then saying no.

Thomas Collins

Perhaps Zero plans to send SecOStateHill to Somalia to scare the pirates. See LUN.

bad

Does Hillary have anything on Obama which does away with his ability to fire her at will?

Soylent Red

A slightly OT anecdote...

I forwarded the Ziegler/Zogby vid on Obama supporters and the media to a liberal friend of mine. Late twenties, Jewish, urbanite in the DC area.

The viciousness of the response surprised even me. Ironically, he tacitly suggested that I was not a critical thinker.

Looks like I'll be shedding a few people from my Christmas card list over the next four years. I take some comfort in knowing that he probably was never really my friend anyway, and only tolerated my bitter, clinging ways by virtue of his superior breeding, intellect, and commitment to political inclusiveness.

thinkingagain

Someone on another site mentioned that the LATimes released the cases that Obama worked on when he was a lawyer but I tried searching for it today and couldn't find it.

Has anyone seen this or know where I can find it?

These are the possible reasons I think he offered Clinton the job:

1) During the primaries she compiled a list of damaging information about him - she found out something but decided not to use it during the primaries, maybe because although it was damaging, it wouldn't have helped her. They know she has this information and will give her the job to insure she doesn't use it. I have been thinking about the bc and the reasons he won't let anyone see it. I don't believe Obama isn't a citizen because the DNC wouldn't waste millions on a candidate who was ineligible. Maybe the bc has other information he doesn't want people to see but wouldn't make him ineligible but could damage his reputation. Maybe his father isn't who he says - that could ruin his career because it would mean he wrote a memoir based on lies. If Clinton found this out she could use it against him.

2) They want Clinton to be nominated so that Bill has to reveal of his financial information which could be damaging to her career - this would assure that she never tries to be President again.

bad

Guess he lacks a sense of humor Soylent. No loss...

clarice

Yes, Soyleny. If there's one thing libs hate it is being aware of how only the very highly educated and the very ignorant bought O's song and dance.

Extraneus

Does Hillary have anything on Obama which does away with his ability to fire her at will?

Is it conceivable that she wouldn't have found some way to share it with McCain if she had? I could see him deciding not to use it, though. He's an excellent loser, after all.

Porchlight

Soylent,

I considered forwarding that to a liberal friend with whom I've disagreed in the recent past. But we've been friends since infancy and best friends since college. So I decided that for the sake of my oldest closest friendship, I have to shut up, even though she sent me some BS commentary on the economy last week.

clarice

**SoylenT** (DRAT)

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Someone on another site mentioned that the LATimes released the cases that Obama worked on when he was a lawyer but I tried searching for it today and couldn't find it.

Has anyone seen this or know where I can find it?

LA Times Only Just Notices Obama Has Thin Resume?

matt

this election has ended a number of friendships, it seems. Had the same thing happen when I discussed McCain with a very old and close friend. She called me a racist. That pretty much ended that.

matt

3,700 billable hours in 4 years for Obama at his law firm? I'm surprised he wasn't asked to leave or denied a partnership. They want you billing at least 35 -40 hours/week, even if you didn't work them.

Pofarmer

?So I decided that for the sake of my oldest closest friendship, I have to shut up,

Never seen the political divide like this in the U.S. before. There are certain people you don't discuss politics with. Either that, or make new friends.

bad

from Sara's link:

In 1994, Obama appeared in Cook County court on behalf of Woodlawn Preservation & Investment Corp., defending it against a suit by the city, which alleged that the company failed to provide heat for low-income tenants on the South Side during the winter.

GASP!! He defended a corporation who failed to provide heat for low-income folks.

Extraneus

The viciousness of the response surprised even me.

Isn't it interesting how much less than magnanimous they are in victory? Kinda makes one wonder how they'll use all the new power.

JM Hanes

Oh, jeez. Here we go. Eric Holder will be Obama's Attorney General. Hopenchange, meet Bus.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

And this one sounds really earth-shaking:

According to Morain, some of Obama's "big" cases were the case of a shortchanged babysitter,...
Extraneus

Oh good, we get to talk about Marc Rich and his ex-wife again, just in time for the Hillary hearings.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Presidential Assasin’s Lawyer to be White House Counsel?

Barack Obama has selected Gregory Craig as White House counsel, a move that will recall some controversial legal cases over the last few years…

…Besides defending Clinton through the impeachment process, an effort that Craig lost, who else had the benefit of Craig’s counsel?

* Elian Gonzalez’s father - Craig represented the father who demanded the return of his son after his estranged wife died trying to take Elian to freedom. Most people saw this as a thinly-veiled publicity stunt from Fidel Castro, attempting to embarrass the US. The dispute got resolved when Janet Reno ordered an armed assault on the house where Elian’s family in the US provided him a home.
* John Hinckley, Jr - Craig presented and won the insanity defense that allows Ronald Reagan’s would-be assassin to spend weekends with his family now.
* Kofi Annan - The former Secretary-General of the UN hired Craig to defend his interests in the Volcker Commission probe of the Oil-for-Food scandal, which put billions of dollars into Saddam Hussein’s pockets while providing cash for Annan’s son, his deputies, and some allege Annan himself.
* Pedro Gonzalez Pinzon - A Panamanian legislator wanted for murdering an American soldier in 1992. The Dallas Morning News demanded that Obama force Craig to drop the case during the campaign, but no report of whether he did is easily available.

I doubt that any President has selected the defender of a presidential assassin as White House Counsel before now. Does anyone want to guess how long that takes to become a Trivial Pursuit question?

clarice

Well, now that pisses me off. I wrote an over 2400 word piece for PJM on justice including bits on the front funners for AG. It was supposed to go in Monday or this morning and was held up to run something else. Now it's probably useless to them and I won't even get the pittance they pay. F*&)(!!

clarice

**front Runners*** (I am really over tired and over worked and it shows I'm afraid.)

Extraneus

I thought it read better the first time, Clarice.

(I hardly ever notice your typos until your correction posts, then I go back and think 'Wow, I guess I just got what she was saying. Wonder why she corrected it.')

Fresh-baked focaccia and a nice Italian red, out on the veranda (or as they spell it on next year's NR cruise website, 'verandah'). Better than vitamins for what ails ya.

Porchlight

There are certain people you don't discuss politics with. Either that, or make new friends.

Yeah, pretty much. Luckily it is only really bad during Presidential election years. But one must step lightly.

bad

From JMH's link:

...he (Eric Holder) has sharply criticized the secrecy and the expansive views of executive power advanced by the Bush Justice Department.

Let's see if he will remain sharply critical of secrecy and expansive executive power in the Obama administration. Don't hold your breath.

centralcal

Well...DU is going Chiquita bananas over Holder!

Clarice: Sorry to hear about the PJM piece.

clarice

Holder has also been critical of all the WOT moves of the Administration. Look for a captured jihadi thug to be out on bail in the neighborhood.

Gone...........................

Since Hilly won't take State cause of her husband, who was President before she was Congress, can't we trade Beau for like AG since he won't take Joe's old Congress seat or maybe State since his dad gives away 100 of billions a year in foreign aid? Dad was good for money, so why not put the son at State where he'll be appreciated for all that free money? We could use Hilly as an AG too since it' doesn't involve foreign bribes like Obama's Biden(dad, not son) or Hilly's husband.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

We could use Hilly as an AG

Wouldn't she have to be able to pass the DC bar to be AG? Something she failed to do, if I recall correctly.

clarice

She passed the Ark one so she'd be fine.

Some days I really love Larry Eagleburger:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/11/18/larry-eagleburger-unloads-obama-hitchens-richardson>Tellin it like it is

bad

Thanks for that link Clarice. Eagleburger was delightful.

Elliott

There's a possibility the Clintons might decide that bottling up Bill is too expensive a price

Do they have to do that or do they just have to promise to do that?

Furthermore, why are we worried about the spouse of a cabinet secretary? Has "I think people's families are off limits" already expired?

Elliott

Really, what could make Obama rest easier than Hillary in state?

bad

Hillary lying in state?

Elliott

Hillary lying

Doesn't that go without saying? It is the Clintons we're talking about.

Rick Ballard

"Now it's probably useless to them and I won't even get the pittance they pay."

Didn't read up on Hollywood-Ferengi accounting rules I take it? The cycling screenwriter repenthouse editor's guild started off screwing people from day -1 so your experience can't really go in the "What a surprise?" bin. "Cash in advance" (to mean "the check has cleared") would seem a wise future path.

bad,

That was a real keeper.

bad

Thanks Rick

clarice

You've a point, Rick. The editor is trying to salvage it, but really you can't asl for a timely piece and then bump it for one that has no time deadline and not have such things happen.

bad

Drudge has this holiday gift idea linked. LUN

clarice

bad, that is so good it will surely be stolen many times. Elliott, the 63 pp questonnaire asks many details about the spouse and family of the person under consideration.

bad

Thanks Clarice

Pofarmer

This is looking more and more like a rerunning of the Clintoon administration, except with worse economic policies.

clarice

Well, it will also be worse because Clinton had a Rep Congress to hold him in some kind of check.

We have to hope that one thing or another slows him down long enough so that in two years there'll be a slightly different congress.

Pofarmer

Looking at Craig and Holder, it's rather striking. You've got a guy going to be the legal counsel to the POTUS who has taken about every high profile Anti-American case possible. In Eric Holder you've gut a guy who many people would say actively subverted justice lobbying for the Pardon of Marc Rich going in as the head of the Justice department. Is this some upside down world?

bad

Po, it is brilliant and well rounded and outside of the box for a dem President. For a Republican President it would be criminal. Go figure.

George S

What's in it for Obama and Hillary?

For Obama: this isn't the ideal time for a rookie president. Russia looking past Georgia into Europe. China looking to erase Taiwan off the map. NoKo thumbing their nuclear noses. Chavez & Putin anxious to shake things up to raise that oil barrel price. Iran waiting to see how a US-less Iraq will play out. Any one of these powder kegs going off will be disastrous. Make it all Hillary's responsibility. Plus, Hillary in the Senate can be his most effective roadblock - I believe the Clintons still have enormous pull within the party.

For Clinton: the ability to upstage the rookie. She'll be the one in all the pictures with world leaders. Not at all shy in taking credit and upstaging whoever is in her way. Natural choice in 2012 as people wake up out of their Obamacomas and realize that Obama's policies apply even to those who voted for him.

Daddy

Ted Steven's Election Update:

As of above about 30 minutes ago local Anchorage News is reporting that Republican Senator Ted Steven's has been defeated by Dem Challenger Mark Begich. Begich, the Tax loving Mayor of Anchorage, now leads convicted felon Steven's by 3,724 votes. That margin of victory is supposedly greater than the percentage requiring a mandatory recount, so if a recount is called for, Steven's would have to pay for it. Some 2,500 Absentee Ballots from overseas still remain to be counted, but as they cannot effect the overall outcome, the local Media is proclaiming Begich the winner. Begich himself, refuses yet to comment, and Steven's has made no public statements either. Begich will be the only one of 100 US Senators to possess only a High School Education, but that fact has been so widely trumpeted by the MSM that I apologize for mentioning it.

clarice

Heh, daddy--no apologies necessary. URGH--I think I'll just get drunk for 4 years. We just threw out the old emergency supplies (water/spam/duct tape/etc we stocked up on after 9/11)..because we think it's time to put in fresh supplies.

hit and run

Clarice:
I think I'll just get drunk for 4 years.

It's worked for me for the last 2.

clarice

Yeah, hit but you are better at hiding it than I would be.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

You threw out spam? Don't you know that's nonbiodegradable? The "Use by" date code is in millennia. I can sorta understand duct tape but never spam. Not after eating WWII C-rations (or was it K?) in 1969.

bad

I read that spam purchases are on the rise amidst speculation that folks are stockpiling provisions.

Pofarmer

Ya know, I've kinda been thinking that Obama was reconstituting the Clintoon administration. However, it's beginning to look like he's reconstituting it without the few competent parts. I think that his lack of time in Washington is really showing, hell, politics in general. If he had been a Governor(hint) he would have known people, or at least known of people. But, being a short time Illinios Senator, and spending basically his whole time in the U.S. Senate running for President, he doesn't have any connections. These are Rahm Emmanuels picks.

Pofarmer

Guns and ammo are moving briskly too, bad.

bad

Oh Yeah

narciso

So Steven King's werewolvish youngerbrother,
gets the slot in Alaska; thanks a lot Ron Paul; he supported Stevens in the primary.
Seemingly Sarah with a few exceptions, seems to be the only decent pols up there.
The state wide pickings aren't too hot down
here, Crist, I've made my dissapointment clear about; Martinez, who ordinarily would
be symbol of pride, dissapointed many on his position on Gitmo, the Surge, the supposed neglect of Latin America. Gordon Smith with an accent. Next time,get someone from Miami; not Orlando. Closer to home, Rush Limbaugh bete noire Stacy Ritter has
become the county mayor down here; because the world is mad, haven't I made that clear yet. Oh it looks like the Palin pool side picks were fakes; at least according to some who've examined the original Bauer-Griffin photos. All though Sundries hasn't
validated that conclusion yet.

MayBee

Read this bit by Jake Tapper.

They want to approve Bill's future speeches! It sounds to me like Obama asked Hillary to be SoS so he could control Bill.

Don't you think?

clarice

Rick, I still have the spam..decided to keep it for emergencies and just replace it with some newer canned food.

I may just ignore all politics for 4 years and cook and exercise and knit. It's got to be less maddening.

bad

Bill vs Bam. Let the games begin!! More suppression of free speech here.

clarice

I fully expect that anyone in O's position would insist on reviewing Bill's speeches on foreign affairs or made overseas. Really. Not just because he's the husband of the Sec of State but esp because he is also an ex-president and his words might well be considered more official.The Clintons will have to decide--and since so much of their wealth seems derived from Bill's overseas stuff, and it seems so important to him to have so much money, this will be fun to watch.

bad

Ha Ha Clarice, I just got the real thrust of O's comments about "only one president at a time."

JM Hanes

"These are Rahm Emmanuels picks."

I think that would explain a lot, Pofarmer. On the bright side, at least Obama is not trying to recreate the Carter administration by starting with Bzerzinski (whose spelling I can't be bothered to look up). Of course, there's no telling who's actually up next if Hillary declines.

narciso

It looks like General James Jones; who's not keen on the Jews; but not at the McPeak/Zinni level, is going to be the Scowcroft of this administration. And Brennan, the guy who knew no Arabic yet was appointed COS in Riyadh because he was a good briefer for Tenet, whose contracting firm was caught rifling theough pass port
records is the man in the Company. Let the Mayhem begin; as Elliot Carver would say.

JM Hanes

Clarice, bad...

You know, assuming a cultivated level of detachment, watching the new administration unfold, if not unravel, could turn out to be a barrel of fun. Contemplating the struggle to control an aging Bill is downright entertaining, no? Clashing egos on a titanic scale. Narcissists R Us!

Elliott

I may just ignore all politics for 4 years and cook and exercise and knit.

If you do that, I hope you'll find time to watch The Sandbaggers, the best espionage drama* (and perhaps the best television show) of all time.
__________________________
*This is a rare point of agreement between me and the The New York Times.

bad

I don't recall President Bush trying to muzzle former President Clinton. Or did I miss something?

MayBee

I fully expect that anyone in O's position would insist on reviewing Bill's speeches on foreign affairs or made overseas. Really.

Jake Tapper says Bush put no such demands on Bush 41, but then 41 is his father and one would assume more loyal.

I agree that Obama would want to vet Bill's speeches, and keep him from criticizing Obama internationally. He can't even ask to do that if Hillary isn't part of the administration. And because most of Bill's work is international, choosing her for SoS gives them an excuse to vet his international speeches.

oooh. Obama's a playah.

MayBee

I don't recall President Bush trying to muzzle former President Clinton. Or did I miss something?

No, he didn't. Even when he named him a special envoy. Bush certainly didn't muzzle Hillary when Bill was Bush's Tsunami Relief and Katrina Relief point man.

Elliott

as Elliot Carver would say.

During the campaign season that was on TV. I was in stitches when he said, "This is our moment."

bad

Obama's a playah.

post racial, post political..or just a post.

bad

hee hee, Obama's a Hitchen's post.

clarice

Yes, it could,jmh. Perhaps we could experiment with various alcoholic libations at the same time and share recipes?
I mean as long as alcohol is still available for sale and we still have funds to buy it.

Elliott

or just a post

Apostate is, I believe, the claim most commonly made.

clarice

Elliott, Herb Meyers recommended the Sandbaggers to be k
long ago (I had forgotten seeing it it was so many years ago). I ran thru a number of them on Netflix. Yes, I suppose that's rather accurate..depressing though.

MayBee

team of rivals = means to muzzle

clarice

****to Me A
long ago

Elliott

My mom had watched it when PBS stations first ran it (early 90s?) and bought it when it came out on DVD. I was hooked after the first episode.

bgates

JMH - that would be true if the Holiday from History started up again. I'm worried we're getting the cast of "Yes Minister" written in to "24".

hit and run

So Bill gets his speeches vetted by the refiner's fire and cleansed of all impurities.

Yeah, that'll keep him from making inopportune remarks.

Elliott

Are you sure it's not the other way round, bgates?

Flannigan

This is how easy it is to become president:

http://www.buttafly.com/content/obama-quote-1.php

Soylent Red

It's not what comes out of Bill's mouth that gets him in trouble. It's what comes out of his fly.

I realize he's Teleprompter Jesus and all, but how will the Messiah vet that?

Sandbaggers rocks BTW. How much is the complete set?

Elliott

I think it was $160 on Amazon.

Elliott

Wellingham is such a great character.

JM Hanes

You know, it occurs to me that Obama couldn't care less about whether or not Hillary accepts the SOS post and that the whole point of this vetting exercise is to get ahold of Bill's donor list -- that the questionnaire was designed with only one person in mind, and that administering it across the board is just a subterfuge to obscure its real purpose. Obama is all about controlling the money. Everything else flows from that. And there's really only one conceivable way to pry the Clinton's list loose, isn't there?

Elliott

That is a very compelling analysis, Quassandra. Do you think the Clintons will fill out the form before they reach an agreement though?

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