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bad

I'll bet he had that little chat with the Iraqis late last night. No prior, inappropriate stuff involved at all. Umh-uh, no way...

matt

and what exactly happened to Obama's promise to pull out if elected? If I was a wingnut liberal, I'd be ticked already....

Let's just hope that we don't do anything precipitous.

bgates

No quick withdrawal, no tax cuts...

but a clean campaign!

"2008 was downright mild," compared to some of the tactics employed in the past, said Gil Troy, professor of U.S. History at McGill University in Montreal.
...
"John McCain to his credit refused to raise the Jeremiah Wright issue, because he feared making racial waves. Barack Obama very cleverly deemed every attack against him, no matter how mild, a smear, and this helped put the Republicans on the defensive and raise the bar," Troy said.

How about that?

FireDogLake Minion #1182

In another interview Zebari said he believed Obama would take conditions on the ground into account before any withdrawal


--------> Spits Coffee

h'uh!?!?!?

w'uh!!??????!?!?!?

ljm

No quick withdrawals. No tax cuts which will give him lots of room to push the Fairness Doctrine and union interests which won't cost the American people a penny.

Right?

ridanudrda

He gets his CIA briefing tomorrow. He'll just want to know if his two brothers are still on the payroll and their informants paid.

He wants more HUMINT, which is how the Director got his job. More work for linguists and they get to move to DoD! More spies and informants on the payroll.

Powell's briefers had to be what? Rice? PC, Africom?

SteveMG

Slow movement on troop withdrawal, no tax cuts in a shaky economy, scaled back domestic agenda (less sure about this).

So, what will his base supporters on the Left want? They'll want/demand something?

Limbaughdamerrung.

ridanudrda

Biden gets his too.

'If it'shot, 843*, it may mold'

transparencyrunglabbag

Pofarmer

OH good Lord.

This may have already been mentioned. But they are reporting that Kerry is actively seeking the Secretary of State spot. Then we're looking at Joe, the foreing policy Guru, Biden at VP. All we need is Kucinich for Secretary of Defense and we've got the 3 stooges.

Ranger

Well Obama already gave the netroots a signal before the election that he might have to push off 'looking at a pullout from Iraq' until after his first 100 days, because there are so much bigger things to deal with.

If he isn't going to even start looking at a pullout until 3 1/2 months in, and he will take facts on the ground into account, can we now say that Obama has adopted the Bush administration approach?

silicarmel

Dems 'Glory Hole' is foreign aid cash.

silil

More HUMINT like Afghanistan.

'On the ground'

bgates

can we [then] say that Obama has adopted the Bush administration approach?
Never. The Bush approach was always to fumble around looking for a way to win no matter the political cost. The Obama approach will be to look for a way to lose at no political cost.

bad

bgates that is hilarious yet scary because of the troothiness of it.

xpelright

Obama is going to wait. He doesn't know what to do. We have to wait. He is an idiot.

matt

humint has been all but dead in the intel community for years. Even after 9-11 they still didn't get it. Carter emasculated American intelligence. I don't think Obama is that stupid.

As to some of the names being floated, well, it could be the most incompetent administration ever. There may just be enough sensible democrats who will see how outlandish the Admin is after a few months to join with the republicans....I doubt it, but somehow, "the good of the country" may actually influence some of them.

FireDogLake Minion #21002

My understanding is that Obama is OURS!

OURS!

OURS!

Do you understand?

OURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim Ryan

Kucinich for Secretary of Defense

You will wish it were so when you find this above the fold one morning:

Kucinich First U.S. Secretary of Peace

Department of Peace. It's coming. Bongs will be mandatory for all DOP staffers. DOPers.

sylvia

I hope the investigations into any fraud will continue. And I hope some day we will figure out how not to have half the country running on voting machines whose IP info is handled by Venezula.

sylvia

Bush was smart. He saw this coming, and he did whatver he could to take care of business by the end of his term. Iraq is a non-issue now. Bush gave 50 million people a chance at a better life, and there is not much anyone can do now to go back on that, even Obama.

bgates

Bad, I'm not kidding. I think Obama would prefer to see a stronger Iran as a counterbalance to American influence. I don't think he wants that badly enough to risk political capital to get it.

xpet

Department of Peace is jobs for dems.

HUMINT was ruined, that's why they hired the linguist and moved them DoD?

Barak Obama sewage plant, CA.

xt

'secret battles and private fears behind an epic election. — Barack Obama had a gift, and he knew it. He had a way of making very smart, very accomplished people feel virtuous just by wanting to help Barack Obama.'

neWSwEeK

Jor

BUSH is one of the worst presidents in history and has the lowest approval rating in the modern era. Something tells me the majority of the country would be happy if Obama started interfering with "Bush's plans". Bush has done almost nothing right his whole presidency.

NCLB was at least good intentioned, if ultimately a failure as well. Africa and AIDS was also good intentioned -- but like everything else Bush touches, royally f'd up. The sooner Jan 21st comes, the better for everyone :P

Extraneus

SteveMG: Limbaughdamerrung.

We'd better be willing to strap it on for Rush, folks. We can't let them take him out.

Rachel

Your time will come, Jor, when you'll be tapdancing and covering up for your Messiah's f-ups. And the rest of us will laugh

Cover Me, Porkins

As a terrible, horrible, narrow-minded neocon, I'll trade tax cuts for giving those people, and by extension the region, a goddamned chance at civilized life. Eight more years of overwatch ought to be more than enough. Want to unify, President Obama? We're good for give-and-take.

Jor

Rachel: If even David Brooks says Obama has the potential to be one of the greatest presidents ever -- I really doubt he'll be even close as bad as W.

Pofarmer

NCLB was at least good intentioned, if ultimately a failure as well.

NCLB was written by Ted Kennedy.

Pofarmer

Jor, do you have anything original or insightful? If not, fuck off.

Pofarmer

Something marginally truthful wouldn't hurt, either.

swift boater

jor said: "If even David Brooks says Obama has the potential to be one of the greatest presidents ever"

David Brooks???? David Brooks???? If you had said Mel Brooks people would take that more seriously.

jor, step away from the Kool-Aid, its gone right to that empty space where your brain belongs.

Extraneus

Forget the little guys under the bridge, people. We need a strategy. So far the best strategist I've seen here is Rick Ballard. I say we promote him to at least Lieutenant.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Via LGF:

In a fatwa published on the eve of the U.S. elections, Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi expressed his preference for Sen. John McCain as president: “Personally, I would prefer for the Republican candidate, [John] McCain, to be elected. This is because I prefer the obvious enemy who does not hypocritically [conceal] his hostility toward you... to the enemy who wears a mask [of friendliness].”

Al-Qaradhawi added: “Whoever thinks that the Democrats are less hostile to [the Arabs] than the Republicans should know that the number of Iraqis killed during the siege [of Iraq] by the Democrat Bill Clinton is twice as high as the number of [Iraqis] killed by the Republican [George] Bush.

“The Democrats kill you slowly without you noticing it - and therein lies the danger. They are like a snake whose touch is not felt until its poison enters your body.

“Therefore, I hope that McCain comes to power, so that the motivation for jihad remains in our hearts, and so that we do not [begin to] rely on the infidels - [which will cause us] to be struck by the fire [of Hell].”

PeterUK

Jor,What is the matter,did George Bush stand you up on a date,or are you John F. Kerry?

jr565

Bush will get no credit for anything positive and will be heaped with scorn for everything that ever occured wrong in the past 12 years by the Bush derangement syndrome crowd. Spending more tahn any president previous to him on AIDS in africa is still deemed a failure to Jor. Even the best intent still means Bush is an incompetent monster.
I, as a rational and MATURE person want to at least treat Obama with some respect due to the fact that he won an elecation and view his policies (even if I disagree) with some degree of objectivity - but on second thought, I'll be just like Jor and act like poison to rational debate. seriously Jor, you're probably in your late 20's early 30's, and you are still an infant. I'd say to grow up, but I doubt you'll ever achieve any maturity beyond what you have now. And just so you know, Obama as a messiah has a lot that he's promised and to be judged by. Wont it be fun to have the messiah be treated with the same contempt and slander that bush was greeted with by your side for 8 years. ANd there will be so much to tear down too. Considering you should expect back what you give, I'm sure you'd have no problem with the right treating Obama with the same degree of contempt that the left greeted Bush with.

PeterUK

"So far the best strategist I've seen here is Rick Ballard. I say we promote him to at least Lieutenant."

Brigadier Ballard will be most honoured.

xtroj

Wash your hands. The toilet also has an aerosol effect when flushed.

PD

BUSH is one of the worst presidents in history and has the lowest approval rating in the modern era.

Well, if that's the metric, the approval rating of this Congress is lower than that of Bush. So presumably most of the country would be happy to toss them all out.

re: Brooks. Yes, I imagine Brooks is satisfied. Obama may know nothing about national defense, the economy, or energy policy, but at least Brooks has a President that chat him up about Niebuhr. Ah, Brooks, that's a man who knows what's important in a Commander in Chief.

Rick Ballard

Extraneous,

I've laid out some minor stuff in comments. I may write a piece for AT or put it up at Flares.

A central theme has to revolve around breaking momentum right from the start. Joe Biden is going to be a focus of justified ridicule for as long as he serves. If Kerry is actually nominated then the Swiftboat material needs to be brought forward with his refusal to release the record of his dishonorable discharge foremost.

Kennedy at the EPA should be dealt with ridicule. He's as dumb as his cousins and extremely mockable.

I didn't write for AT during the campaign because of the fact that they had it covered very well. Some of those writers are probably tired of writing and there are people here who are quite capable of turning out quality work. I wish DoT were available for a nice long piece on Kerry. There wouldn't be much left when he got done with the traitor.

There isn't going to be one strategy nor one objective. Taking ground back in 2010 is a different goal than hobbling Obama's efforts to bring communism home. Different goals require different strategies and different tactics.

Right now, we should be focused on the appointment of the vermin Emanuel. He's another dirty man from Chicago and we should be able to layout his lack of character fairly easily. I'll be quite happy to write a piece if we can come up with some nice facts to serve as key points. I can do the envenomed filler pretty quickly. The only difficulty is deciding whether to go with polemic or diatribe.

xtj

Get food to hungry kids. That's the news!!! yes, they need cash.

Topo Gigio

All these Obama trial balloons! Maybe the point of this is to get Emmanuel and Kennedy off his back. "Hey, I tried, but all that shit you did -- it came out."

He owes the wingnut left nothing. Nothing! He got elected by moving to the right. The media praised him for it. There is a mandate for cutting taxes and lower health insurance premiums. Also playing nicer with other countries. There is no mandate for Card Check or the Fairness Doctrine.

Charlie (Colorado)

The only difficulty is deciding whether to go with polemic or diatribe.

Decisions, decisions.

Charlie (Colorado)

Rick, I see your point, but I guess i'm inclined to think about what could be done substantively that isn't instantly confrontational. I'd really like to see some pressure put into honest and auditable elections, and transparent and honest campaign financing.

It would seem that pushing the notion that Obama bought the election with crooked money, played gently, would have some real impact.

Didn't I see someone here estimate that Obama paid $10 per vote, while McCain paid only $1.50 per vote?

PeterUK

RUSSIANS Bomb typepad.

Antimedia
Your time will come, Jor, when you'll be tapdancing and covering up for your Messiah's f-ups. And the rest of us will laugh
Somehow I don't think I'll be laughing any time soon.
PeterUK

Can't work out if JOR is John J Kerry or Al Gore,or they split the green ink between them.

Antimedia
I hope the investigations into any fraud will continue.
You cannot possibly be serious! The Democrats are going to investigate Democrat fraud? Hell freezing over doesn't come close to describing the odds of that happening.

You have heard of William Jefferson, have you not? Charles Rangel? Nancy Pelosi?

Antimedia
There is a mandate for cutting taxes and lower health insurance premiums. Also playing nicer with other countries. There is no mandate for Card Check or the Fairness Doctrine.
I'm starting to see why the Republicans lost this election. They're delusional.
A.B.

It's frightening when the Iraqi government knows more about our president's plans than we do. But that's not all. Our leftwing illuminati president told them something DIFFERENT than he told us! Sigh.

jt007

I think most of the regulars here at JOM have always known that Obama never intended to immediately pull the troops out of Iraq especially since the hard work has already been done. He can leave them there until our commanders give the green light and then claim that he is responsible for the victory. His sycophantic followers won't care. They didn't bat an eye as Clinton was warmongering (or, to borrow a phrase from the one, "air-raiding villages and killing civilians") in Somalia, the Sudan, Afghanistan, Serbia and Iraq during the 1990's. It was only when a Republican administration led us into a war where we actually had a national security interest act stake (as opposed to Kosovo) that they discovered their anti-war stance.

I intend to relentlessly hound Democrats for their hypocrisy after 5 years of calling Bush a war criminal for waging an "illegal and immoral war." Now, the one apparently intends to keep troops in that same "illegal and immoral" war at least through 2010. Last summer the Daily Kos crowd suddenly became okay with continuation of the war when Obama started to move away from his Democrat primary position of complete, unilateral withdrawal in 16 months. The Democrat brain lacks the capacity for self-awareness and I intend to help them with that deficiency.

Rick Ballard

maintaner,

Thanks. That's a nice start.

If anyone reading has information on Emanuel which they would care to pass on directly rather than in comments, the appropriate contact is sarahjogalt AT gmail


Charlie,

There is no reason that two separate tacks cannot be taken. I'm more inclined to go with Obama's suggestion to 'get in their face' followed by adherence to Alinsky's rules for radicals in honor of his true mentor.

I gave him a grace period already. 12:03 to 12:07 Central this morning. He chose not to take advantage of my more than generous allotment and I owe him nothing more. It's much more than the left granted Bush in '00 so I really think I was very kind.

Mte

Russians aren't murderers and scum bags, Georgians are; we can't take NATO into Georgia and fight all these wars. Afghanistan is a NATO war with spies running around looking for NGO money.

The 100s of billions sent to foreign countries as cash was their money. 10?

Obama want's to stare through my head while I eat? They do that to disease.

bad

Rick

I've linked several articles about Emanuel on the other thread.

Chicago Tribune
Rolling Stone
Glenn Greenwald of Salon

Extraneus

That's what I was talking about, Colonel. (Let's compromise, Peter.) I thought your parking lot idea was the best one I've seen so far.

Kelly

David Brooks thinks Obama will be the greatest President ever? Based on what evidence I wonder. As for not withdrawing troops, no duh. I've said all along democrats are more than willing to pin a failed Iraq on Bush, on themselves not so much.

Rick Ballard

bad,

Thanks, I'll dig them out.

narciso

We don't know this at all; we just recently found out from Ryan Lizza; about Obama's letter on the week of September 11th; how he was anbivalent about Afghanistan, and he wanted to understand the terrorist.

In other news, I find out now, that McCain fired Schueneman; one of the leading lights of his foreign policy team, who's not a Beltway apparatchik over the pushbackagainst
the rumors against Sarah. I almost want to take my vote back after that. Biden is going to make us re-remember the British disaster with partition in Iraq, Power wants a peacekeeping mission to keep the Israelis in line. Malley wants Hamas in charge of all of the Palestinian territory; yet the one guy who stuck up for Georgian democracy and Iraqi liberation gets the heaveho.

bad

Rick

Emanuel was a Freddie Mac board member appointed by Clinton.

LUN

Pofarmer

Kennedy at the EPA should be dealt with ridicule.'

It beats me why you would put an environmentalist and not a scientist in that position. The EPA can do a lot of damage.

jimrhoads aka vnjagvet

Kennedy is a rabble rouser and a zealot. An environmental fascist.

bad

SHHHH.... Boatbuilder, I have this fantasy that the silly little tidbits I dredge up get used by the VRWC. My laptop is bugged by Cheney you know.

Pofarmer

Emanuel was a Freddie Mac board member appointed by Clinton.

These people have NO shame.

Antimedia
It beats me why you would put an environmentalist and not a scientist in that position. The EPA can do a lot of damage.
Seriously? It beats you? That's precisely what they want to do.
Kennedy is a rabble rouser and a zealot. An environmental fascist.
Yeah, right. That's why he opposed wind farms off the coast of Martha's Vineyard - because he's so concerned about the environment.

Or maybe it was because he didn't want any dredging in that general area.....

leper con:   victim&villan

No one escapes judgment.

Goddamn proud of it.

We are just.

Execution.

Rick Ballard

When H & R wanders in perhaps he would care to address Kennedy? He does a nice, gentle, slice and dice.

Extraneous,

It really warmed my heart to read in a later comment that at least three Obots were treated to a free education in the manner I suggested this very morning. Let's hope it happened a few tens of thousand times across America as the sun rose. They'll be fine - Uncle BHO will take them in.

Most jobs held by someone under thirty don't require much in the way of training expense. That's a rather simple fact justified by the amazing concept that only about 27% of those under thirty hold jobs which are much more difficult than learning to file alphabetically.

Emergency stroke

I see no reason why the treason should be forgot.................. Justice & terror

The environment is considered part of the US infrastructure...............

bad

Rick

One of those articles references an investigation of fundraising involving Emanuel.

richard mcenroe

BUSH is one of the worst presidents in history and has the lowest approval rating in the modern era.

http://tinyurl.com/A-Little-Perspective

Pofarmer

Seriously? It beats you? That's precisely what they want to do.

I gotta start using sarc tags.

Politicizing every job in the U.S. govt is gonna be a real bummer.

Rick Ballard

bad,

I've copied all of them to into a file and will read through them carefully tomorrow. The article will be written - I'll send you a copy when I submit it to Thom.

Thank you for the help.

Rick
VRWC #03

Thomas Collins

By ignoring Obama in his speech, Medvedev is signalling to the states bordering Russia that the Russian Bear doesn't even deem President To Be Bambi a trifling nuisance in the Bear's plans to flex its muscles. Medvedev and Putin are playing World Politics Chess. My concern is that Obama is still learning World Politics Tic-Tac-Toe.

Eme

'A battle for the economic soul of Obama.....'
BbC

Rick Ballard

Thomas Collins,

President-elect Obama should demonstrate his grasp of global politics by offering to sit down with Medvedev and Putin without any preconditions at a time and place of their choosing - as long as they promise to play nice.

And bring a big highchair.

Pofarmer

My concern is that Obama is still learning World Politics Tic-Tac-Toe.

No worries. Joe Biden is right there.

SukieTawdry

Biden gets his too.

Oh Lord, I forgot he'd be getting NS briefings. What happens next time he has one of his Biden moments? Anything's liable to spill out.

As to some of the names being floated, well, it could be the most incompetent administration ever.

Anybody else hear Corizine for Treasury?

I think Obama would prefer to see a stronger Iran as a counterbalance to American influence.

Adopting the Albright Doctrine are we? Swell.

Phil

"Rachel: If even David Brooks says Obama has the potential to be one of the greatest presidents ever -- I really doubt he'll be even close as bad as W."

David Brooks said that? Well sh*t, I'm sold then. Hope! Change!

So remind me again...where do I pick up my government check?

Rick Ballard

Dems offer McCain turncoat position

He's thinking it over. I think he's done quite enough for party and country and should consider retirement. That would depend upon whether AZ replaces Senators by appointment or special election though.

Captain Hate

Medvedev and Putin are playing World Politics Chess. My concern is that Obama is still learning World Politics Tic-Tac-Toe.

Does anybody consider Obastard looking into the cold KGB-running eyes of Vlad the ultimate global mismatch? What's Barry gonna do, surreptitiously give him the finger as Putin turns to his aide and says "Get me the polonium". We are in it deep.

Rick Ballard

Captain Hate,

They're both on the same side - what's the problem?

not_bubarooni

strategy?

i got one!

less government, low taxes, tough on crime, robust foreign policy.

the GOP has debased itself by blurring the distinction between itself and the Democratic party. NCLB, McCain-Feingold, Medicare Part D. blech!!!

i held my nose and voted for john mccain, but there is a certain poetic justice to be observed watching the man 'who reached across party lines' to enact campaign finance reform legislation get suckered by the Dems at the end when they pulled out of public financing of the general and mccain got outspent about 7 to 1 and engineered a way to get all those untraceable internet donations into their coffers.

it's as predictable as watching Lucy pull the football away just as Charlie Brown tries to kick it. after watching it 3 or 4 times it's about as funny too. you can't help but wonder if our intrepid protagonist (charlie brown and the gop) will ever learn his lesson or at least get another script.

the Dems are the party of big government who revel in the byzantine intricacies of big government. that big government is used to reward the 'good' and 'punish' the bad. the more expansive it becomes the more rewarding and punishing the mandarins who interpret it's complex web of rules can perform.

the only way government can expand, is at the expense of individual liberty. there is nothing to reach across any aisle there and find common ground on...

i'd like the GOP to be the party of small, simple government that places personal freedom of the individual above all else.

government does some things really well, the oft cited examples of building roads, sending men to the moon or waging war are good enough examples for the moment. we do need them for that type of thing, but they really shouldn't be messing with how many gallons of water my toilet uses. ok, it's a noble cause so i suppose they could throw me a tax credit to reward me for making such an enlightened choice if i so desire to make it.

if the government will guarantee me life and liberty, i'll pursue my own damn happiness.

Katherine

Brigadier Ballard!
What is my mission?
Citizen Private Katherine

Eric

So we're not surrendering in Iraq, we're not throwing out FISA, we're drilling for oil off the coast, and we're looking to grow the government at unsustainable rates... Uh, which of Bush's "failed policies" are we changing?

not_bubarooni

uh...

wow...

had no idea it was that long a post. sorry. i'll go away now...

Captain Hate

Ah, of course, Rick: The Ukraine, Georgia and Poland are in it deep.

CsemaJ

Obama is being handed a stable situation with an American casualty rate lower than Chicago. This occured, of course, because Bush (alnog with McCain) opposed Obama's position on the surge/Petraeus strategy. Had Obama and the Dems won on that issue, Obama would be inheriting a disaster.

Bill in AZ

Rick,
In AZ the gov replaces a senator with someone from the same party.

But, I'm not sure what happens when the gov has to be replaced because she's heading off to some position in The One's administration - one of the few bright spots in this election. Now that she bankrupted the state, Zero can have her.

Antimedia
Dems offer McCain turncoat position

He's thinking it over. I think he's done quite enough for party and country and should consider retirement. That would depend upon whether AZ replaces Senators by appointment or special election though.

Of course they are. They can then park him somewhere and get closer to their coveted filibuster proof majority.

Dems never do anything without ulterior motives, even reaching across the aisle.

Katherine

Poland loves EU. They were always felt contempt toward Americans (silly Boy Scouts!) They believe CNN and NYT. Don't shed any tears over them.
I am a native Pole and have family and friends there. They will get everything the deserve. And so will we.

Ranger

Emanuel was a Freddie Mac board member appointed by Clinton.

Posted by: bad | November 05, 2008 at 09:42 PM

So much for change.

Rick Ballard

Bay Area Katherine? Emigrated from a socialist paradise to the home of the running dog capitalists? Hi. It's good to hear from you.

If H & R takes the Kennedy assignment, then info on Kennedy's links to Chavez would be helpful to him. I don't know if he'll check in this evening. Depends on his beer supply situation. I have enough on Emanuel for a piece.

It's Day 1 - we have a long road ahead. I'm happy that you will be along for the march.

bgates

which of Bush's "failed policies" are we changing?
Protecting and defending the Constitution is out. Fatally flawed document, you know.

Bub - we read fast. No problem.

Though if you're depending on the gov to put a man on the moon, you're out of luck. Unless you meant the Chinese gov.

not_bubarooni

bgates - you are kind, sir.

bad

Rick

LUN to Emanuel addressing The Committee on Financial Services in 2003 for 2004 budget.

Rick Ballard

Nice one, bad. He's really into the FM mess right up to his scrawny neck. Kennedy married to Chavez, Emanuel in FM, Kerry... well, still just a traitor.

These are today's picks - the choice of the Chicago gutter scum headed for the WH - not 'just some guy I barely knew'.

Sue

The comments at ABC's blog regarding Sarah are horrible. One wants a polar bear to eat her. These people are unhinged. And they voted in a man who has a resume certainly no longer than Sarah's. Weird world that came out of the internet. I guess they always were there just didn't have anywhere to voice their stupidity in public. ::sigh::

Sue

I guess this means we won't be having any hearings on FM/FM and what got us into this mess. Anytime you dont' have calls for hearings, you know democrats are guilty as hell.

Sue

Drudge has a headline regarding the largest stock loss in history after the election of a president. The headline says Obama Anxiety? Ya' think? ::eyeroll::

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