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November 18, 2008



I take c, e, d and a whole bunch of other supplements including turmeric, cinnamon, calcium and fish oil. Did the study show increased death or other negatives in the supplemented groups because other studies have shown that e increases the incidence of death.


I recall a similar study with British physicians essentially demonstrating that regular and relatively heavy consumption of alcoholic beverages generally coincided with longer, happier and healthier lives. I found it extremely persuasive and have structured my own health regimen around it.


Heck, your mom gave you the same advice for free.


I wasn't thinking about TM's last line about "salvation in a bottle" when I posted. Honest.

Barney Frank

I spent countless hours researching this stuff when my wife was diagnosed in 05. Vitamins are vitamins; there is probably no benefit from more than your body can use, which is rather less than most of the mega doses proponents advocate.
However there is evidence that selenium, turmeric (as ljm alluded to) and tocopherols (compunds related to Vit E) among others can be helpful.
There are currently several interesting studies of something called Alpha TEA, an analog of vit E, which appears extremely potent in mice with cancer. Whether it translates to humans remains to be seen.


Actually, my doctor just called to say my annual tests showed I was low on Vit D (necessary for bone strength) and she perscribed a dose of super Vit D, and I try to get plenty of Fish Oil and tumeric (broccoli and esp broccoli sprouts are useful, too, for good health.




Clarice, ya gotta get into the sun. In other words, get out from behind the computer and go outside.

(Or get a laptop and take the computer outside with you...)


It was very grey snowing a little today,cathy--just a sprinkle but there it was on the windshield as I drove home from my Pilates lesson--next week I'll get sun when I visit my son and his family in L.A...


I swear by fish oil now - saw total chol drop from 243>205 and bad LDL go from 158>136 without any change in diet or weight. 3 grams a day with 60% Ω3 (EPA/DHA) content.


Yes. Fish oil is a keeper.


Зачет! и ниипет!


Wasn't the big claim of Vitamin C, was about combating scurvy; and speaking of the Holder appointment (rimshot) the Marc Rich pardon and the Elian rendition could have been worse though; they haven't appointed
Bernardine Dohrn to anything yet. I'm trying to see what would be a doppelganger liberal outrage, John Bolton for Secretary of State; who was one of the scouts for the GOP out in the tundra.It's going to be a long four years.

The way we feel about Gov. Palin was epitomized by a commenter on Gerald Van Derleun's site, American Digest, which piggybacked off the Republican penchant for
craving death; finding the most tone deaf forms of political expression; Newt's gentle stiletto to Sarah on Face the Nation; is the latest example, (what is this, "A Star is born." They find a
candidate that energizes the base in a way not seen Reagan; because of her record, her manner, and straightforwardness and they want her to wait her turn. This though intrigued MK Freedberg at House of Eratosthenes, which prevoked Gerald's comment. One typically astute commenter, ask mom put it best." A new sheriff rode up in a snowmobile. Get over it"


...they haven't appointed Bernardine Dohrn to anything yet.

I've wondered if she would get quietly slipped into some post while all of the attention is on Ayers. Maybe whatever Jones-Kelley was originally slated for...


America wants salvation in a bottle. Or jar.
Or ballot, hello.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

There are starting to be large numbers of people deficient in Vitamin D due to the increased use of high # sunblockers. You need to get at least 10 to 15 minutes of sun exposure a day in order to keep the D levels up.

Drinkers need extra B-12, as do those with any type of metabolism problems, and those who suffer from anxiety and/or depression should be taking a good B-100 time release.

I noticed an odd correlation in my own wellness, when I realized that during periods where I was not taking a good multi-vitamin, like Centrum Silver, each day, my craving for sweets/chocolate went up. My doctor thought it was nuts at first, but later said he read a study that came to a similar conclusion. Don't know the reasons why behind this, but can say from 20 years of experience that it is true. I think it may be an energy thing and that the brain tries to compensate with a sugar high.

I suffer from iron and potassium deficiencies if I'm not careful, so I take prescription level doses of each. The iron every day, but the potassium only as needed. I always know because I start to get muscle cramps and swollen ankles when my potassium is low.

And, of course, all women of child bearing years and especially after menopause need a good calcium/magnesium supplement or one of the newer osteoporosis meds like Actonel, Boniva, etc.


I recall an advertisement that used to run during the Grand Ole Opry, on WSM radio from Nashville, for a product called "Exercise in a Bottle." At the end of the ads, the announcer blazed through a sotto voce "disclaimer" basically denouncing the stuff.

Haven't heard anything of it since, but checking up on it just now, I see even Steve Garvey used to pitch the stuff.

Looks like somebody eventually sic'd the FTC on 'em.

Weight loss and good health in four words:

Eat less, move more.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

BTW, there are several studies that are linking the increased incidence of autism to the decreased use of Cod Liver Oil for babies and toddlers. Parents have replaced what was a ritual when I was growing up of getting your dropper full of Cod Liver Oil with Flintstones. The lack of Vitamin A with young children seems to be one of the problems in autism.


So Tom did you catch the NYT Science section last week? (or was it the week before). Anyway they had a whole section on DNA, and that what we know on it is old fashioned already. RNA is where it's at now. They say DNA is the light switch, but RNA is the dimmer. Apparently there are thousands and thousands of sections of RNA codes responsible for all kinds of important things. So that's what we need to learn about if we really want to solve cancer, etc. But it's going to take a long long time before we get a handle on all these codes and what they do.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Sylvia: I didn't read the NYT article, but I saw something similar on the Discovery channel recently. Apparently, the human genome is way way more complicated in the interactions than first thought. The changes RNA can have make every gene have thousands of different combinations, heretofore unknown, that then has an effect on what that gene does or does not do. It is a fascinating area of study that makes me wish I had become a research scientist.


I'd put it more that the DNA controls the range of what is possible ("the blueprint"), RNA largely controls what is expressed, but the proteins, including their post-translational modifications, is where the action is. That's why I work on proteins.


That's what I was gonna say but Dr.J beat me to it. Darn!


Gotta be quicker, bad. :)

Interestingly, the recent Nobel prize in Chemistry was awarded for Green Fluorescent Protein, a material I use a lot. It is wonderful under the fluorescence microscope.


DrJ, is that the one that makes animals glow in the dark?


Sara--I would check on iron deficiencies for women after menopause. Men have a higher rate of heart attacks than women and women after menopause have a higher rate of heart attack because of too much accumulation of iron in the body.

As far as potassium--eat a banana. It's much safer that taking a supplement.


can green fluorescent protein be used at parties? Sounds like just the thing to liven up someone's cocktail.

narciso, remember, even Reagan lost the first time he ran. The experience made Palin stronger and wiser in the ways of elections, and will help her come back stronger should she decide to do so.

There are a few of parallels between Reagan and Palin. Both governors, both ridiculed by the left, and both with strong common sense and a way of speaking directly to people and their issues, thereby short circuiting nusiness as usual in DC.

She now needs to build a team that can take on basically all of Washington. Actually, it sounds pretty exciting to me.


Anyone know of a vitamin for sadness? My four year old dog is at the animal hospital tonight. They think she has canine pancreatitis. It sure has been a wretchedly bad year.

Someone cheer me up. :(


sorry to hear that, Ann....


OT from DOT

The River gave me this treat and asked that I pass it on to his friends here. He is doing better.


I made some very rich brownies today with extra Ghiradelli chocolate and pecans. I have etras. Will that work?


I'm so sorry Ann.


Harvard? Obama uses like Harvard business and we all do now, but that was Bill, I mean John, so the x > experimental group really came from space, I mean lucifer creation, and they have figured out Obama is a space luciferian and not evolution into lucifer's reflection as a non human?

I published mine right away so people could sue, but I use it as a signature for some writing and art work. LHD


Funny, how we are all baking these days. Sounds delicious, I love pecans. Send 'em over.




is that (GFP) the one that makes animals glow in the dark?

Yes, that and related molecules. Once it was discovered (from jelly fish) the sequence was modified to give proteins that fluoresce at all sorts of wavelengths.

can green fluorescent protein be used at parties? Sounds like just the thing to liven up someone's cocktail.

I suppose, but you have to *really* want to do it. The stuff costs hundreds of dollars for about 50 milligrams. You would also need a UV source, like a black light. That may not have enough intensity: I use a 100W Mercury lamp in my microscope, and then an optical sequence to focus that light on a very small spot, transmit it to the viewing optics, filter out the incident light, and then view it. Even then you have to keep the stray light down -- that is, the room has to be dark.

There are other chemist's things you can use for parties, like certain pH indicators. You don't see them in the drink, but the urine comes out as red or green. Works better for men.


Ann, my aunt has rescued Hungarian Vislas. She has about four under her belt. They varied: strong dogs, a puppy mill mom, an abused dog. She's also taken care of other people's dogs all her life. She says the only thing wrong with dogs is that their lives are about four times shorter than they ought to be.

It's to bad that is the way, but I'm happier to have had our dog's good times and memories that I can recycle when I need them, as I pass through my own short time here.

During the ups and downs you know where we are for company.

The Offspring from Splinter

Can't Get My Head Around You


I'm sorry to hear that, Ann. I hope tomorrow looks better.

fluorescence? Hmm.I remember--and so does my husband the great Fluoroscope machines that used to be in shoe stores to prove to parents that the shoes they were buying for their kids actually fit.
Not only did we stick our feet into the right slots at the bottom, but our fingers, hands, whatever parts of our younger siblings were handy.
Between that, standing up in rumble seats of moving cars, sucking on lead painted toys, it's a wonder any of us didn't die on the spot.


Between that, standing up in rumble seats of moving cars, sucking on lead painted toys, it's a wonder any of us didn't die on the spot.

Don't forget the Mercury from Thermometers, and the Benzene in High School Chemistry (if you took it). By today's health standards we should all be dead already, at least according to the environmentalists.

I don't mean to sound too glib, though, since a close friend, a medicinal chemist, has serious health issues -- mesothelioma (sp?) brought on by radiation treatment of Hogkin's -- from the solvents he used in the old days.

Still, many of today's concerns are way overstated.


The mercury from thermometers was so much fun to play with only the likely walloping we'd have gotten from deliberately breaking the thermometers kept us from playing with it as much as we'd have liked to.

You bet these threats are way overblown.



Thanks for posting that from DoT. Everyone should read it. I am afraid it just sent me over the top, and it is hard to type with tears. God Bless the Marines.

Col. John Walter Ripley

Is that a picture of our DoT? Is he Captain Tom Ripley?


No, he's not Ripley.



I'm so sorry about your dog. And Tom is not Capt Ripley. Sounds like he knew him tho.


Oh Ann, your poor doggie. I'm sorry to hear about him.



Hmm.I remember--and so does my husband the great Fluoroscope machines that used to be in shoe stores to prove to parents that the shoes they were buying for their kids actually fit.

I delayed responding to this part, because I simply have no idea what these machines are or do.

I'd be surprised if they use fluorescence, which is an optical technique that detects the change in wavelength between an incident and emitted light beam. You can see it when you hold a piece of paper with a stripe of highlighter under a black light (one example), but I don't see the connection to shoes.

Making contact explosive ("touch powder") from kitchen materials was fun, too.


Does anyone know if there is the slightest vitamin/nutritional value in SweetTarts? The yellows and oranges are so darn good I can't imagine that there isn't something citrusy in them. Heels up 20 over Kentucky---WoooHooo!


They were X-Rays, DrJ.



I too am saddened to hear about your dog's health. It is really hard to watch their health decline. Sigh.


Daddy, SweetTarts are medicinal. More is better.


They were X-Rays, DrJ.

Really? In a shoe store? Wow. I missed that one, and there is no way that would be done today.


Ok, I am a little frazzled tonight. I assumed that was about Dot's father's funeral. We still lost another great man and I wonder if we will ever get back to defining how important character is in our country's leadership.

Sunnyday, Clarice, and Hit have my email. Someone let me know about DoT.

During the ups and downs you know where we are for company.

That was so sweet and so true, sbw. And thanks to all of you for your kind words.


They were x-ray machines as bad said and they emitted this green light. We stuck every living thing we could into the slots intended for the feet..and observed them in the eye piece..Not only were there no limitations on the amount of time we exposed our various parts but I doubt these things were insulated at all.

Frau Jedöns

My husband said it was done in Germany, too. It's a wonder our children didn't each have 12 toes!

clarice>Pic of a flouroscope with all the gory details


I think DoT's dad was an admiral...


Hey Dr. J. Found a link with lots of stuff about models. Not sure that any of it is what you were wanting. LUN


Yes. That's what I remember.


Interesting, Clarice -- thanks.

Presumably the green light is what you observed through the eye pieces. So you had the x-ray source, which was transmitted through the foot/shoe/whatever, which then excited a screen of phosphors (probably a thin film coated on glass), which was then viewed to note the density variations. From that you could see if the shoe fit.


Of course science and technology have advanced, but this today looks like using a nuclear device for Mediterranean fruit fly abatement.

You were right, too -- almost no shielding. Just like the early microwave ovens.


Thanks, Po, but the list is just too lengthy to wade through. Usually there are very few important papers in any field, but you have to know the literature to figure out which those are. I have inquiries sent out to a couple of friends who are active in the field, but nothing has come back yet.

Basically, I want to see how crude the models are. As the prediction scale goes up, the level of physical detail goes down, and you lump all sorts of things into parameters that may or may not make physical sense. It has to be this way, and modeling how the climate changes over long periods I'd guess is really, really hard, especially if you want to do it right. Which we should.

The opposite approach is to simplify the physical system as much as you can by using idealized set-ups (namely, unrealistic) and holding all sorts of things constant, so that you can study the physical effect you want. Then you throw a ton of math at it, but you have the ability to vary things and examine parameter sensitivities much more easily.

That's what I tend to do. But you can't for something like global climate change. It is just too complex.


Yup. And it turns out they originated--as least commercailly--in my home town (Milwaukee) which may be why every single kid I grew up with remembers them.
The article says there was some kind of timer on them. If there was we simply bypassed it. It was particularly great to see how far you could shove your little brother or sister's arms through the foot slot.


Regular doses of SPAM does it for me.

Of course, now that it's becoming more fashionable, what with the bad economy and all, I may have to lay off. Except that when I do, I get positive cravings after a while. I assure you, though, I can quit whenever I want to. Really.

Uncle BigBad

DrJ, Clarice

As a child in the 40s I remember flouroscopes in shoe stores. And yes, they were X-rays. I don't remember any as late as the 50s.

Oh, and don't forget paragoric, which was sold over-the-counter, and, oddly, didn't turn us into opium addicts.


Oh, bully.

Barack Hussein on Climate Change.

"Few challenges facing America -- and the world – are more urgent than combating climate change," he says in the video. "The science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear. Sea levels are rising. Coastlines are shrinking. We’ve seen record drought, spreading famine, and storms that are growing stronger with each passing hurricane season. Climate change and our dependence on foreign oil, if left unaddressed, will continue to weaken our economy and threaten our national security.


Ya know. I've never had to live through a Presidential administration filled with people I detest. American society is built on Honesty. These people have none of that. Any advice for staying sane?


John Galt and a nice stockpile of alcohol and drugs... but mainly alcohol and drugs.

JM Hanes

Comedy, Pofarmer. A sense of humor may turn out be the most valuable resource.


Paragoric! Yes. And it worked.
So did DDT--no bedbuds or mosquitos where you didn't want them.
Wax lips and other disgusting candy with all sorts of artificial flavors and colors. And. They. Were. Great.

The only really dangerous thing I remember was a canned green bean with canned cream of mushroom soup and canned onion rings casserole that some diabolic force persuaded all our mothers was perfect for Thanksgivings.


The only really dangerous thing I remember was a canned green bean with canned cream of mushroom soup and canned onion rings casserole that some diabolic force persuaded all our mothers was perfect for Thanksgivings.

Still get it.

JM Hanes

Oh gag. Apparently the green bean glop was a national phenom, 'cause we got it too.


Dittos from down south on the gawd awful casserole... of which I have the fixins in the cupboard. Always handy for the pot-luck sports banquet at the high school, though.


My family avoided the green bean glop (we usually had sweet and sour red cabbage with roast duckling and assorted other fixings for Thanksgiving) but I had it many other places. Not my favorite.

Spam still is very popular in Hawaii, particularly as Musubi, but any form is consumed with gusto. I personally prefer Kahlua pig, but that's just me.

Too bad DDT fell on such disfavor. It would work a lot better in Africa than mosquito netting.

Gotta go set up the wife's new printer.


Green beans with Herb Sauce.

16 oz. can green beans.
3/4 cup minced onion
1/4 cup minced celery
1/4 tsp dried rosemary
3/4 tsp salt
1/4 cup butter
1 clove garlic, minced
1/4 cup snipped fresh parsley
1/4 tsp dried basil

Heat green beans. Melt butter in sauce pan. Add onions, garlic and celery. Saute for 5 minutes. Add parsley, rosemary, basil and salt. Cover. Simmer for 10 minutes. Toss well with drained green beans.

Serves 4.


Can of green beans
4 tbls butter
4 tbls flour
2 cups milk
sharp cheddar cheese grated

Make heavy roux with butter flour and milk. Put green beans in casserole dish and spoon roux mixture over beans. Cover with cheese and heat in oven at 350 til cheese is melted and casserole is bubbly (about 15 mins).

(Also works with broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, or any combo of veggies)

Sara (Pal2Pal)

The green been goop and the spinach cooked to mush in vinegar.

Those shoe scopes were in all the department stores in our town throughout the '50s and we did the same thing as Clarice describes as far as sticking everything and anything in them.

And I remember having a great time rolling little balls of mercury around from a broken thermometer.


Oh... poo-t...

if you want to use other veggies, be sure to blanch or steam them first if you don't use canned.

On another note, anyone here ever order golf equipment from Dave Austad's in the mid west somewhere (Nebraska)? I found a good price on a fairway wood and don't know anything about this company...


Anyone remember Golden Goose shoes... when you bought a pair, you got to pull the lever (arm) of the goose and you got a golden goose egg with a treat inside?


"It is a fascinating area of study that makes me wish I had become a research scientist."

I know, I thought the exact same thing when I read about that. Then there were also articles in the same issue about the Michael J. Fox foundation and how they've discovered that Parkisonsons is almost nothing like they thought, and they're more behind than ever. Same with other diseases.

That's the thing, all the "secular progressives" like to act like all smug and like the universe is solved and scientists know everything already. But the more they learn the more they learn how complicated everything is. I'm afraid it is almost infinitely complicated. Kind of depressing and awe inspiring at the same time to think that.


I've had a series of interns come through the lab, and all were convinced that they wanted to do research. They wanted to cure cancer or some such big problem, if not this week, then at least by the end of next month.

They learned to their displeasure that doing scientific research is more tedious than they could imagine. There is a lot of repetition and attention to detail. Results come in clumps, with broad fallow periods in between. You really do have to keep the faith in the lulls, and trust that good things are coming.

It was a hard lesson for all of them to learn. A few have come to enjoy it; others really did not. The worst are the computer gamers, who demand instant gratification.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

DrJ: I think it takes a certain type of personality to really enjoy research.

I've never done scientific research, but I've been a genealogy researcher for 40 years and never tire of the hunt and the highs that come when you find something that everyone said couldn't be found. I love forming my hypothesis, gathering information and looking for patterns, and following obscure leads and then experiencing the high when some minor little factoid leads to a major breakthrough, sometimes after years of research. I also love the technical side. Charting, graphing, establishing primary sourcing, etc. The tedious detail work of organizing and making sense of the research.

I think I would have been good at scientific research, but unfortunately I wasn't very good when it came to chemistry and physics, which are sort of a prerequisite.



My husband and BIL (who makes clubs) have both ordered from Austad's and been pleased. The main website is


Thanks Mary... I was just concerned..the price looks too good to be true, ya know? Taylor Made for over 60% off? I'll give them a try... Oh goody goody a new toy...

Merry early Christmas to me...


I just found out that I have to retake the chemistry courses I took back in the 70s since I have re-enrolled in college.

Something about there being a few new elements and some things have changed since the dark ages or some such.

Meh. On the bright side, I can always blow up the chem lab... again!


Well not according to this in Reuters:

"Vitamin D is great stuff. It protects against rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis, cancer and much more. But 1 MILLION people aren’t getting enough! Not good.
It gets worse. New research in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism claims insufficient levels of vitamin D lead to heart trouble and another study, this one Hypertension, reveals low vitamin D is associated with high blood pressure"


Dr J,

What you do sounds fascinating. Saw a bizarre photo and story in a Taiwan Newspaper recently about a herd of flourescent green pigs their scientists had created.

As for playing with Mercury and the X-Ray shoe machines you guys were talking about, I don't remember those, but we grew up on Military Bases and there was nothing more fun as a kid than when the DDT trucks did their rounds through the neighborhood. All we kids would go foot-racing down the street behind these slow moving trucks so that we could be engulfed for as long as possible in the big white smoky DDT clouds they were pumping out. Man, that was living. Possibly not as intriguing as X-raying your little brother's arms, but we got the benefit of being engulfed in that distinct sweet smell of DDT. Didn't smell like victory, smelled like...childhood!


"low vitamin D is associated with high blood pressure"

Can I get a prescription for wintering in Palm Coast and daily green fees from the good doctors, please? On account of the healthful benefits of the sun and the exercise?

Just send the bill to Obama's healthcare plan and use the billing codes Wellness/Prevention and High Blood Pressure...


"All we kids would go foot-racing down the street behind these slow moving trucks so that we could be engulfed for as long as possible in the big white smoky DDT clouds they were pumping out. Man, that was living."

We did that, too. We also played in the tobacco barn to inhale the sweet smell of the curing tobacco leaves.

I'd give some premium $$ to have my home office redone in smokey tobacco barn wood...

I haven't seen a working old fashioned family tobacco barn in years. Is that all mechanized and sanitized now, too?



That sounds like a fascinating idea, a paneled office in smokey tobacco barn wood. You'ld think there would be a market. I don't know that particular smell, but as a kid I loved the aroma of my Granddaddy's pipe (Prince Albert in a can), so I can imagine.
I think Hit and Run still lives in North Carolina. Maybe he'd have a helpful lead.


I had the green bean thing inflicted on me, but never got to play with a fluoroscope. On the other hand, I got to ride a bike without looking like this.


Fluoroscopes reached into the middle-late 1950s because they were in our Buster Brown Shoe store - As Andy Devine used to say before the movie sponsored by Buster Brown started, "Pluck your magic twanger, Froggie."

Using our fingers we rubbed mercury over copper pennies to make them shiny silver.

And we poured molten lead into molds to cast hundreds of toy soldiers and miniature trains.

I don't remember making it until high school, but nitrogen triiodide could have been made with our chemistry sets, pouring ammonia through iodine and sucking off the liquid to leave a precipitate that, when dry, was unstable enough to go off with a big bang if you touched it. We saw no danger because it was fun.

And the green beans weren't green, they were olive drab, mushy, and cold. They were the most dangerous of all. Even worse than Sunday night's bologna sandwiches with French's yellow mustard.



So sorry to hear about your pup. Hope you and she are doing better today.



That sounds so cool. I've been wanting a knotty pine living room ever since I can remember.

Reclaimed wood is getting easier to find since it fits into the "green building" craze. Just google "tobacco barn" "reclaimed wood" and you'll see places like this:

Black's Farmwood

Scroll down for "Select Wired Brushed Tobacco Oak"

It looks like you can choose among finishes, so if you wanted it really rustic w/not much polish you could do that.

Here's another site that has a number of links to different reclaimed wood companies:

Cunningham Lumber


I had a seventh grade science teacher who told us that if we swallowed a ball of mercury it would pass through the digestive tract very quickly. I do not remember any of us trying it, though.

Truth be known, elemental mercury is relatively harmless to handle. It is the vapor and the compounds that are absorbed more easily and can become toxic. So you didn't hurt yourself turning pennies into dimes.


We had the green bean casserole every Thanksgiving, too, only ours has kitchen cut green beans instead of French cut, cream of celery instead of cream of mushroom, Cheez-Its instead of onion rings, and a can of white shoepeg corn. Yum. Thanksgiving wouldn't be the same without it. (Believe me, I've tried doing a more gourmet Thanksgiving, and everyone just wanted the old stuff. So now I save the more sophisticated dishes for Christmas dinner.)


I can honestly say I have never had green bean casserole. What a deficient life I have had. bummer. Now, broccoli and rice casserole oozing with cheese - that was yummy (or at least I thought so when I was young).

Hey - I have a Firefox question. In IE when you mouse over a link it displays the destination. Not so for me in Firefox. Is there some setting I need to know about?


I haven't seen a working old fashioned family tobacco barn in years. Is that all mechanized and sanitized now, too?

Near the Bradley Airport north of Hartford there are acres and acres of shade tobacco growing under netting, and some lovely barns for the hanging. They use it to make cigar wrappers.


Re: Firefox display the destination

CC, in the menu, click on "View Status Bar". Then, when you mouse over a link it will show the link at the bottom of the window.

Rick Ballard

"The only really dangerous thing I remember was a canned green bean with canned cream of mushroom soup and canned onion rings casserole that some diabolic force persuaded all our mothers was perfect for Thanksgivings."

That had to have been a featured recipe in one of the women's mags in the early '50's. Coast to coast and top to bottom.


Remember those around you (particularly neighbors and/or casual acquaintances) who may not have a table to sit at on Thanksgiving. Setting one more place isn't much trouble and the gesture is the best possible Thanks I can think of giving.


sbw: thank you very much. I knew it was probably a setting I was unaware of!

That had to have been a featured recipe in one of the women's mags in the early '50's. Coast to coast and top to bottom.

Sadly, it still is in every November/December issue of every magazine. Now there is an advertising campaign! I think maybe, Campbell Soup?

Ya know. I've never had to live through a Presidential administration filled with people I detest.
Well that's more a question of ignorance -- I didn't find out until years later that I should have been destesting people like Jamie Gorelick at the time.

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