After Action

The WSJ has a detailed account of the terrorist attack in Mumbai.

Comments

[PDinDetroit]

The part of the story that sticks out like a sore thumb: the lack of ability to protect the public and oneself.

The Police and Hotel Security Guards had no or limited access to GUNS, which appears to be the fault of GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION (RED TAPE) in getting gun permits. This was a PROBLEM just waiting to happen. Not only was the chicken house left unguarded, the fox was invited in for a spot of tea and snacks...

Just let 'em try it here in Detroit... Everybody armed here and just looking for some idiot to start summthin'

[Thomas Collins]

So, JOMers, if what the WSJ described had happened in an American city, would you want any of the terrorists captured alive to receive the full panoply of constitutional rights under US law? Do you think that the US would be acting against notions of decency to treat them as enemy combatants and do what was necessary to extract info from them on the groups with which they were affiliated? How great a burden would you put on the US to make a showing that they were enemy combatants before the US could treat them as such?

If you think these are the questions of a lunatic, if you think that it is obvious these terrorists should be sent to Gitmo or be subject to rendition to any place and subject to any individual who could extract info from them, I assure you that in the salons of much of the US legal pseudo-elite, these matters would be open to question.

[Extraneus]

Just let 'em try it here in Detroit... Everybody armed here and just looking for some idiot to start summthin'

I've been thinking the same thing, PD. Just ordered a new inside-the-pants holster for a Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum, seeing as the weather makes it easier to carry nowadays. They'd probably be better off waiting 'til summer.

[Thomas Collins]

In the WSJ article it is stated that:

"The hotel had metal detectors, but none of its security personnel carried weapons because of the difficulties in obtaining gun permits from the Indian government, according to the hotel company's chairman, P.R.S. Oberoi."

Perhaps Prime Minister Singh will want to have a word with his bureaucrats who are denying Indians the right of self defense.

[peter]

I think Plexico Burress' attorneys may be using this as a defense.

[PDinDetroit]

TC - I still believe the old adage "Kill 'em all, let God sort them out". While it may be helpful to have a "live specimen" to "examine", it is not needed since the electronic and physical forensics are very helpful in putting together the puzzle.

I do not believe that terrorists deserve any protection under any laws. They kill indiscriminately, men-women-children, of those they disagree with on religious or philosophical grounds. We play PC nice-nice with them while they play by their own rule book.

This may sound extreme, but one must "take on the face of war and lend the eye a terrible aspect" in times like this. I would gladly defend the innocent against oppressors, if the need arises.

[PeterUK]

Sadly,the war against the Japanese comes to mind,ultimately you do what you have to do.
All jihadi prisoners should be shown footage from WWI and WWII so they know what industrialised war is like.
Ironic to think that The One might have to be the one who says "Do it".

[PDinDetroit]

Ex - I just got a Ruger GP100 (Model KGP-141) in 357 Magnum for home protection and hunting (short range only). See LUN.

A doe came out behind me last Friday about 45 yards away and was standing straight on towards me. I went to move to shooting position and she bolted (she was not coming in and I was losing daylight). Only deer I "almost" had a shot at this hunting season.

I really, really miss hunting on the private land I used to be on...

[nonetoday]

Thomas Collins: The reason it's important to capture terrorists alive is so you have the chance to get information from them, not because you're worried about their rights.

[PDinDetroit]

PUK - agreed.

My father was in WWII and was on Okinawa for a time after the island's capture. All US Personnel were issued 45's at a minimum and were instructed to "shoot first and ask questions later". There were Jap Pill-Boxes that were still being discovered.

He was not a violent man by any description, but he would have done what was needed.

[huxley]

Thomas Collins -- If you've got something to say, say it. Don't weary us with run-on rhetorical questions, then implicitly accuse of us of thinking you are a lunatic.

[Thomas Collins]

Yes, PDinDetroit, I too am happy to have termination with extreme prejudice as the first option. I am then happy to have the "Jack Bauer Informational Inquiry" option for the captives.

Actually, I am for anything that gets info out of the captives. If playing Britney Spears CDs over a Gitmo loudspeaker gets more info than waterboarding, let the "Baby One More Time" lyrics roll. If tapes of Rosie O'Donnell's talk show do it, that's fine, too.

[Thomas Collins]

I wouldn't accuse you of anything were you to think I am a lunatic, huxley. You'd be in synch with the thinking of my kids!

[Rick Ballard]

Here you go.

[Rick Ballard]

Here you go.

[PD]

Vince Flynn's on O'Reilly right now.

[Thomas Collins]

I wish the US Supreme Court agreed with you, nonetoday, but, unfortunately, they don't. See LUN.

[nonetoday]

I'm not sure about this but I think the Nuremberg trials were the first time that war criminals had the opportunity to provide evidence in their defense - but of course everyone knows that Israel had their own form of justice that didn't involve the courts.

But our government has received some very good information from captured AQ terrorists so it's always better to keep them alive if possible. If they're citizens they should have the same rights as anyone else.

[Disreali]

Dec 1 is the due date for Obama to respond to Philip Berg's latest writ in the Supreme Court on the disclosure of Obama's birth certificate. Any news?

[Semanticleo]

"Dec 1 is the due date for Obama to respond to Philip Berg's latest writ in the Supreme Court on the disclosure of Obama's birth certificate. Any news?"

None, except that the glass continues to be half-empty for conservatives looking for chinks in Obama's armor.

[PDinDetroit]

SemCleo - chinks in the armor? I did not know we were already looking for a China-Obama Connection. Thanks for the heads up, will have to pay better attention now...

But seriously, THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!

Even my most liberal of friends are having buyers remorse and wondering "what happened to the change?"

[Semanticleo]

"what happened to the change?"

I feel your chagrin...........

[glasater]

None, except that the glass continues to be half-empty for conservatives looking for chinks in Obama's armor.

After today's drop in the DOW I wouldn't be talking about chinks in the armor as far as Zero is concerned.

[PDinDetroit]

SemCleo - Please tell us how pleased you are with Obama so far. How about his picks for filling positions in his administration?

It is very simple, just be positive for a CHANGE...

C'mon, even Kim would ask this from you...

[Jane]

So Cleo, are you saying you have always been a hawk? Boy you could have fooled me!

[Thomas Collins]

Zero will still make the left happy with appointments to the federal judiciary and moving the country as far as he can towards socialized medicine. With respect to foreign policy, Putin's missile rattling, the activities of the Somali pirates and the Mumbai urban warfare terrorist attack may have convinced Zero that something more than his transcendent personality will be needed to deal with the nastiness that is an inherent aspect of world politics.

[huxley]

Thomas Collins -- I take it then, that you don't have anything to say.

[kim]

Only for those with ears to hear, my dear.
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[Disreali]

SemCleo,

Nice to know it is okay for this black president to stick up two fingers at the Supreme Court. Great change!

[Pagar]

"Please tell us how pleased you are with Obama so far."

Here's how Z. Dwight Billingsly expresses it:

"As Jack Buck once said, "I don't believe what I just saw!" Americans on Nov. 4 turned over control of the United States of America to a management team possessing no executive experience, having never run, as I liked to put it, nothing.

Well, Americans usually get the government they deserve, and I urge you all to get ready for this 21st century version of amateur hour. It's going to be an embarrassing and dangerous time for America and American ideals."

To me it seems like some large corporation has ran an ad in the Wall Street Journal-

Wanted Chief Excutive-Must have never ran anything before, don't worry about credentials, they won't be checked. Must be willing to undo any thing the company has ever stood for.

[Jane]

Good Morning!

Today is Clarice's real birthday. Anyone got any candles?

[centralcal]

Encore birthday wishes for Clarice! Ain't it great to be home and sleeping in your own bed again :)

Sorry, Jane, I stopped by birthday candles long ago - ugh.

[clarice]

Thanks , Jane--I happen to have the necessary carload of them in the backroom. Good Morning J.O.M!!!

[Thomas Collins]

Huxley wants me to say something, and with all these birthdays for the JOMers occurring, I'd just like to say happy birthday to TM and clarice and all the JOMers no matter when in 2008 their birthdays have occurred, are occurring or will occur. And to clarice, I'll bet you still get carded when you go to a saloon!!!

[centralcal]

oops, not awake yet. by = buying.

[bad]

Happy Birthday Clarice!!

[Rick Ballard]

Happy Birthday Clarice.

[centralcal]

Yoo hoo, everyone, Elliott is toasting Clarice-isms over at the Beau Geste 2008 thread.

[PDinDetroit]

Happy B-Day Clarice!

AT has an article up about the Gun Control in India - see LUN.

I highly doubt that the MSM will report that the lack of armed citizenry contributed to the length and breadth of this terrorist attack.

[bad]

The NYTimes glosses over Eric Holder's shortcomings. LUN

Hillary is a distraction to an examination of Holder's issues.

[huxley]

Thomas, kim -- I said:

"If you've got something to say, say it. Don't weary us with run-on rhetorical questions, then implicitly accuse of us of thinking you are a lunatic."

Run-on questions and mindreading are a crank debating style I see from people like anti-evolutionists and I dislike it.

If you've got something to say, say it.

[bad]

If you've got something to say, say it.

Eric Holder is not fit for the office to which he is nominated.

[kim]

Say Hey, Kid.
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[clarice]

Thanks all. Will have to check out Elliott.

[Jane]

Clarice,

B-day greetings are in every thread. Don't miss JMH in the thread before this one.

[kim]

"It".

Are you happy now, huxley?
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[PeterUK]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CLARICE

[Daddy]

Thank goodness they're known as the Religion of Peace and not something like the religion of disenfranchised maniacs.

[Captain Hate]

Happy birthday Clarice!!!

It's pretty funny that huxley is giving orders on how to comment to Thomas Collins as if he/she/it's the Amy Vanderbilt/Emily Post of interwebbz etiquette. I guess that when somebody of no tangible accomplishment is elected President it emboldens idiots everywhere.

[centralcal]

Action thread or Cool thread? Hmmmm.