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hrtshpdbox

Bill Ayers says he never killed or injured anyone. Y'know, I'm pretty sure that's true of Charlie Manson as well, and that Charlie made the same claim repeatedly (doesn't seem to help him at parole hearings, though).

clarice

So he wants points for being inefficient?

boris

he never killed or injured anyone

The Ayers bomb that killed his comrades was intended to kill servicemen and others. When the intended vicitm excapes but a bystander is killed, even a guilty bystander, ISTM it's still considered murder.

JM Hanes

hrtshpdbox:

"Bill Ayers says he never killed or injured anyone."

Sort of like Obama's attempt to reassure voters by saying that he didn't have the power to take away their guns, even if he wanted to. Oh, wait.

Apparently, Ayers is just another guy who was told to keep his mouth shut till November 5th. It's OK to cover him now that he's a simple celebrity, with a handy misspent youth to talk about. He'll probably get better press than Palin: he's articulate, he's academic, what's not to like? You can even pre-order the newest Ayers & Dorhn polemic over at Amazon: Race Course Against White Supremacy , where they are described as "veteran political activists."

Personally, I'm waiting for a book on doublespeak in 21st century American rhetoric.

Pagar

"He'll probably get better press than Palin."
JMH:
My guess any terrorist gets better press than Gov Palin. Liberals must really feel threatened by her. Terrorists don't seem to bother them so much. I wonder why that is?

larry

Weathermen killed 2 or 3 in the 1980ish Brinks robbery. Bill wasn't on the scene of course. Just sayin.......

sbw

Just because you don't pull the trigger doesn't mean you aren't an accomplice.

No doubt Ayers is innocent in his own mind, but, goodness, look at how warped that piece of lumber is!

clarice

Warped and still an idiot after all these years.

QVGregorio

Бывает

PaulL

Ayers should not have been called a terrorist, or even a domestic terrorist. That was dismissed by a large percentage of voters as exaggeration.

He should have been billed as the Weathermen's nail bomb designer. McCain surrogates should have been all over TV describing what a nail bomb does to people.

Ayers shouldn't have been billed as the bomber of the Pentagon. Everybody knows it is still standing. He should have been defined by McCain and Company as the guy who wanted to kill Fort Dix servicemen and their dates at a dance.

And of course it didn't do any good for the dunce McCain to say that he didn't care anything about an old, washed-up terrorist. That line was incomprehensible since McCain was threatening to bring Ayers up or actually did bring him up. Why mention him at all if he didn't care. A real bone-headed move.

clarice

See,PaulL, smart notions like yours are what kept you off the Wiseass Express and away from the big bucks.

centralcal

Drudge is having way too much fun with his current headline! Sometimes just printing something (with no editorial) is a hoot!

Which brings me to this question - have other President Elects given radio addresses prior to their inauguration?

centralcal

oops - Presidents Elect.

PD

have other President Elects given radio addresses prior to their inauguration?

He knows we can't get enough of him.

JM Hanes

PaulL:

"And of course it didn't do any good for the dunce McCain to say that he didn't care anything about an old, washed-up terrorist."

Especially when you plug the POW leitmotif of his own campaign into the timeline!

Laura

JMH
I didn't get McCain's statements about Ayers at all on any pretty much any aspect. Most directly his rehabilitation into a teacher's teacher with access to shaping future educational policy bothered me. I don't understand how anyone could be so clueless about the implications of an Ayers writing our education texts.
I'm driving my self crazy at the moment wondering if my oldest daughter is going to be accepted at Hillsdale. I refuse to spend any money sending her to an leftist indoctrination camp.

sbw

have other President Elects given radio addresses prior to their inauguration?

Tradition can't exist for those for whom history begins at dawn.

PD

Tradition can't exist for those for whom history begins at dawn.

Perhaps it's not too soon to suggest that year 2009 A.D. be the point at which we recalibrate to year 0 A.O.

Semanticleo

STILL on about Ayers....?

And the clandestine connection to Obams's intentions......."

Still on about O being a muslim...........?

How 'bout him bein' a socialist....?

Is he the 12th Imam....?

Facts are a bitch when they don't support yer preconceptions........?

Isn't that what y'all say about me...?

bgates

PD, I can imagine the intellectual dwarves who show up for the Inauguration chanting, "O A O, uuuuh O!"

OT, the NYT ran a fascinating obit....no, lost it.

Pagar

"Ayers should not have been called a terrorist, or even a domestic terrorist."

The fact that some voters do not consider William Ayers a terrorist, does not have a ____ thing to do with whether he is a terrorist, IMO. I have been in hundreds of NCO clubs over the years. The Ft Dix NCO club would have been one of the larger clubs because it was a training base. Not only would there have been a large group of military personnel in attendence, but also many of them would have been single and had dates from the surrounding area. Imagine a son or daughter, never having been in the military, just a casual date to an NCO club, being blown to bits along with hundreds
of other Americans by an American who hated America.

The fact that the group was unable to carry out their plan, because a few of them prematurely blew them selves to bits doesn't mean they weren't terrorists. The fact that someone's Daddy was able to pull enough strings to keep his son out of jail doesn't mean the son was innocent.

William Ayers told us what he was-take his word for it.

"Obama's "fact" sheet then brings us the crucial bulletin that all charges against Ayers were dropped, and that he spent no time in jail. Absolutely true. Except a minor detail was omitted: Ayers openly admits he is "guilty as sin" but "free as a bird." Charges were dropped because federal authorities overstepped their legal bounds in pursuing the Weathermen, not because the charges were unfounded."

The difference between Timothy McVey and William Ayers is William Ayers failed to carry out his plan, Timothy Mcvey succeeded.

The worse part of the William Ayers saga is he has been allowed to carry on his efforts against America to a much greater degree than the Fort Dix slaughter would have done(because the crime would have quickly been solved) and now we have millions of Americans so miseducated by him and his coharts, that they think his actions are acceptable. William Ayers is a problem that should have been solved long ago; he should have never have had the chance to be involved in the 2008 elections.

Semanticleo

"William Ayers is a problem that should have been solved long ago; he should have never have had the chance to be involved in the 2008 elections."

What involvement did Ayers have?

I mean, other than how WingNut Nation tried to involve him?

Pagar

"Still on about O being a muslim...........?"

Anyone suspect he wants to make an important speech in an muslim country to tell them that he is a Christian and they all must convert to Christianity to enter into his kingdom.

jimmyk

STILL on about Ayers....?

Seems to me your comment should be addressed to the NY Times. It is the editors there who deemed him worthy of an op-ed piece.

sbw

Year Zero.

peter

43>44

kim

Sunny von Bulow has died.
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Donald

Well then, Kim we've got a net gain for civility today.

Ayers is a truly evil shit who deserves to have his life shortened as prematruely as possible. I read that self serving drivel (Ok bullshit) he just wrote in the Times. I realize it's an opinion piece, but he could have been honest.

peter

Sunny von Bulow meets his creator; OJ looking at serious time in the pokey--Ayers will get his sooner or later. Ya' gotta believe.

bgates

Boy, here's a weird article. "Is Einstein the Last Great Genius?"

It's like they missed the election entirely....

bgates

Verb tense problem copied verbatim from the title of the article lamenting the lack of geniuses, btw.

matt

Sunny was the wife...Claus was the husband. I believe he died a while back.28 years in a coma is a long time....RIP.

J2

That's Sunny Von Bulow, not Klaus.

matt

by the way, it's now official....our Dear Leader will be addressed as Franklin Delano Obama from now on....

Since they're spending funny money, they might as well build infrastructure. We surely need it.

peter

so sorry, got my Sunny mixed up with my Klaus. When I was a kid I took piano lessons. I remember having to practice my Von Bulow. The composer was Klaus' grandfather, I think.

Thomas Collins

I think PrezElectZero, with his various news conferences and addresses and his establishment of a new branch of the Federal Government, the Office of the President Elect, is overly optimistic. I heard it on good authority that those seven extra states have tons of electoral votes and when the returns in those states have been finalized, PALIN (on write-in votes) is going to be elected Prez.

Well, if Zero can add seven extra states to the Union, why can't I do my alternate universe history?

Daddy

Well is Obama going to be the reincarnation of FDR or the second coming of Abe Lincoln? I wish his media handlers would get their mythos straight. Here he was a week ago walking around making sure he was seen carrying that Doris Kearnes Goodwin Lincoln's Cabinet book under his arm, so that prompted my local Used boodstore to set up a whole display shelf with Abe Lincoln books as the new meme. Now I find he's been simultaneously working the FDR mantra, ala radio addresses, New Deal 2, etc.

What's an Avante Garde Used Bookstore owner to do?

Rick Ballard

Harpo Marx fits the bill more fully than Lincoln or FDR. Now if Bonzo had managed to finish his autobiography prior to being called to that great banana plantation in the sky, then Zero could establish a real link to Reagan.

PaulL

Will Obama be the first President praised for preserving jobs? You'd think it would be easier than creating them, but who am I to argue with the Press.

Too bad W hadn't dreamed that up when Kerry kept harping about job statistics. "Look at all the jobs I've saved!"

bgates

Paul, it's another example of the kind of fresh, optimistic thinking Obama brings to Washington. For years, the press has been fixated on the ~6% of the workforce that does not have jobs; next year, they'll start talking about the ~85% that do.

Rick Ballard

PaulL,

Watch the Dems stuff some "there's no time to competitively bid" carp into the Obama Big Dig For The US plan. He's going to be remembered as a thief - that's what he is and that's what he will do.

There's nothing "new" in his spout - just an acceleration of projects that are lying around unstarted because they have no practical function. Accelerating infrastructure projects which are already in the pipeline is just going to inflate costs (the sector is already at full employment) while allowing the thieves Obama knows and loves to extend their area of thievery beyond Illinois.

The tidbit about centralizing medical records should make everyone consider the care with which Joe the Plumber's records were handled. The "final purpose" of the centralization is to provide a rationale for progs to kill folks off here as they do in the UK. There's nothing like a little rationed cared to reduce "society's burden".

clarice

Because these will be federal projects, Davis Bacon will come into play. It requires all work be done to union scale and will artificially inflate the cost of wages wherever the projects exist.

clarice

We can start now by demanding all Republicans in Congress insist on a provision waiving application of Davis Bacon to any of these new projects.

narciso

Well it could be the new states of Cuba, Puerto Rico, Alberta, Ontario, British Columbia and Sonora; although I doubt we could get so many in four years maybe eight. the again we could probably trade Oregon for Alberta, or Vermont for Ontario,
So Ayers is denying his account to Dinitia Smith in 2001; he's like OJ with a Ph.d.

It's hard to have a proper comparison to him; Savinkov the anarchist Russian Social
Revolutionary,turned to the right, and he apologized for his behavior, which had ironically reinforced Nicholas the 2nd reign. The German Social Democrat Foreign Minister, whose name escapes me right now was tied to the RAF; but wasn't an official in it. The Argentine Montonero propagandist like Verbitsky, Gelman & Co, are the best match.

On another point, I would have probably been fine with Fred Thompson, he didn't stay in the game long enough; in part thanks to Carl Cameron. It's a little surprising how quickly his 30 year record was dissected and discarded. While Huckabee and Ron Paul hung around like Banquo's ghost.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

DB is far too deeply embedded for that to work. Remember, Zero steals from the poor on behalf of the unions, nonunion companies and workers can eat dirt as far as he is concerned.

PeterUK

Obama the New FDR? FDR made the Depression worse. So yes Obama is the new FDR.

narciso

On another note, dropped a post into an overly snobbish discussion about Sarah
at the Times site, stating the facts, al little more diplomatically than I do here;
it's probably been roiling for a few hours.

On Classics, it's surprising that Victor Davis Hanson hasn't referred more more to Sallust's Jugurthan chronicles, which was the tale of the first protracted counterinsurgency that the Roman really ever faced; against a Desert Prince. That took about seven years when the firsttwo commanders including the scion of a leading family, failed until a commoner Marius, won the allegiance of the tribes, which ultimately betrayed Jugurtha. Now this story doesn't have a completely happy ending
as a decade later, his aide, the aristocrat Sulla, would turn against him, when facing
yet another perennial threat, Mithridates of Pontus.

Extraneus

In a sense, Obama already *is* the new FDR. The media covered up FDR's handicap, and were able to convince Americans that he was a big, strong, verile guy. They've been doing this for Obama, too, covering up the fact that he'll be the most inexperienced and unqualified President in history. (Far less qualified than Palin, I'll continue to be happy to add.) They and the entire left will spend the next four or eight years helping to build him into a giant, just like they did for FDR.

Uncle BigBad

Clarice, Rick

I believe Davis Bacon was an issue in Katrina recovery. Do either of you remember if it was defeated? Did the Republicans even try?

Uncle BigBad

I hope the Big O keeps his meddling to infrastructure. Maybe then he'll leave private industry alone (after Nancy P. destroys the auto industry).

He'll get his legacy up front: "The Man Who Saved the Interstate!"

After all, building the Interstate was Eisenhower's legacy (for Civil Defense, of course). And a good legacy it is.

clarice

My recollection is that it was waived at Republican instistence.

Uncle BigBad

Extraneus

Don't forget how the media covered for JFK. I remember a panel several years ago on C-Span when (I think) Richard Reeves (R.I.P.) told an anecdote about how he was in a press gaggle following Pres. JFK. JFK disappeared into the Sherry-Netherland for an assignation with a paramour.

Reeves literally beamed as he told how proud he was that none of the press gaggle wrote or spoke of the incident.

clarice

**insistence**

PD

Maybe if O is going to focus on the Interstate, he could take a look at eliminating state tolls on them.

It's galling to pay those tolls to drive the roads WE paid for.

clarice

Bush waived Davis Bacon for Katrina recovery claiming it was an emergency and Congress can damned well stand firm on this:http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/3098/1/384?TopicID=1

Paying DB wages will definitely cause more people to be unemployed as it will drive up all wages in the areas of these projects at the very time employers are unable to pay them.

matt

ext;

does that mean that O's wife is gay?

pagar

I had put Mark Steyn's latest posted at Atlas Shrugs over at the Smile thread, but since no one seems to be over there anymore, it needs to be over here, IMO.

"Steyn nails it and says what everyone else is afraid to. It is a stunning indictment of the media the political elites and the international submission to I-slam."

Article

The reason everyone is afraid is there is a very strong movement afoot to make it illegal to tie terrorists to I-slam.

"Two pending United Nations resolutions share a common deception with previous resolutions and common dogma. Lets examine them closely. [Bold red font added for clarity.]

Combating defamation of religions revised draft resolution


7. Expresses deep concern in this respect that Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism;

Agreed Draft Resolution on the Elimination of all forms of intolerance and of discrimination based on religion or belief

13. Also emphasixes that no religion should be equated with terrorism, as this may have adverse consequences on the enjoyment of the right to freedom of religion or belief of all members of the religious communities concerned,"

LUN

My guess is this effort will be a very big part of the speech Obama is scheduled to make in front of some large Islamic crowds.


Rick Ballard

Clarice,

I'm all in favor of discarding DB but the "crumbling infrastructure" is going to be found most often in the Blue Hells. The Democrat thieves in IL, CA, MA, NY, NJ et al have been robbing maintenance budgets to pay off public employee pensions forever - and not one of those states will allow DB to be bypassed.

The first thought upon Zero opening his piehole should be "Which Democrat thieves are being rewarded by this particular lie?". Infrastructure is easy - look at the contractors on the Big Dig and work out from there through whatever is being mismanaged in NY and NJ accross to MI and on into IL. Check out bad projects in LA and the Bay Area in CA and you'll find the same thieves involved there who were involved in the Big Dig in MA.

Extraneus

Considering Hillary, matt, that'll probably be very difficult to verify.

clarice

Rick, If these are federal projects, Congress has the power to waiver or abrogate altogether DB--IIRC even Dem Mickey Kaus thinks DB is a stupid idea.

If this goes thru with DB we need to get people to watch and report on what will surely be an outrageous scandal--an enormous rip off and one which will utterly destroy the existing hellholes making them even worse.
pagar, bet that is NOT his speech--The UN provision can only pass by stealth and when it does you can bet it'll violate the First Amendment.That is, until it like the British rule of law ultimately vanishes in the tranzi paradise to follow.

centralcal

Pagar: I saw the Steyn piece this morning over at the Corner. As usual, he is spot on. It is another area where the media need to be hearing from people. Not all of their ills are bias. Some is just plain stupidity (political correctness) run amok.

I have a happy day every day I read of more layoffs in the media, or stock prices falling, or advertisers leaving, or media entities passing to the great ink stand in the sky.

They still don't get it that the majority of the public is onto them.

PeterUK

"Steyn nails it and says what everyone else is afraid to. It is a stunning indictment of the media the political elites and the international submission to I-slam."

There is a complete misunderstanding of these elites,they are bullies and cowards.They will grind down all those who oppose their liberal agenda,but grab their ankles for those who would behead them.Quite simply the elites are not frightened enough of you.No need to take the gloves off,just add a little lead.

jimmyk

When FDR took office unemployment was something like 20 percent and GDP had declined by something like 25 percent. The current unemployment rate is 6.7 percent and GDP has declined maybe 1 percent. The idea that we need some kind of New New Deal is just the usual overinflated Obama narcissistic rhetoric. He wants to be seen as the knight in shining armor rescuing the damsel in distress, but really the damsel would be better off if he'd leave her the heck alone.

Pagar

Clarice, I think it's in one of the comments - that the vote in the General Assembly is the 18th or 19th of Dec. I don't know what his speech will be, but my guess is it will not be good for free people.

narciso

Can we say "Bridge to Nowhere", and wasn't there some subway tunnel that collapsed in Chicago, about a decade ago, because of poor construction. Down here in South Florida, we have our own cross the bay version of the "Big Dig" built by a French firm, most well known for construction projects with the Castro regime, we have a
Performing Arts Center, which was disastrously over budget, and behind schedule; traffic was snarled up for a year. It looked like the mothership from 'Alien' and it's never going to make its money back. We have two baketball stadiums; four blocks from one another. A baseball stadium to replace the 10 year old one, that the local auto magnate went to court to force a vote on, he lost. One of the losing congressional candidates, was the former mayor of Hialeah; who was indicted, but ultimately acquitted for bribery on appeal because of a Supreme Court decision from West Virginia! Do you see why I have contempt for local politics, from my former neck of the woods. Then of course, there was the 1997 election of crazy mayor Xavier Suarez, which featured a fair number of dead or felonious impaired voters. This forced the voter scrub,ordered by a different Florida Secretary of State, not Katherine Harris, which led in part to the 2000 debacle in part because some county
election supervisors refused to use the purge lists. Did I mention the several city commissioners in Miami again, suspended for embezzlement, attacking police officers in a drunken rage, to name a few examples. In my new neck of the woods, you have Ken
Jenne, the recently released BSO chief, and some other issues with commissioners. If one goes back even earlier, there was a scandal with 'hot suits' that included a city manager, but interestingly did not affect an aide to then State Attorney Janet Reno, who ended up in Washington. Do you see why I have contempt for local politics, from my neck of the woods. Conversely, why I have so much admiration for what has Sarah has done and for what she could do.

The more I look at this new 'makeup and clothing' gate, the more it stinks like the apochryphal towel incident. Victoria's Secret, Nieman Marcus, Nordstrom, that doesn't seem like her at all. The amounts and locations seem totally out of place; with where she was and what she did. She couldn't have been at so many rallies and events, if she had spent so much time shopping or primping, or even opening all those boxes. Did anyone see her at any of these shops; she was at a Walmart somewhere buying baby clothes and at some sneaker store. Someone was misusing campaign funds, but I'm damn sure it wasn't Sarah, and she wouldn't be a party to it. Doesn't pass the smell test, nice try better luck next time.

clarice

pagar, his speech may well be a bad thing, but I doubt it will be on why citizens should be forbidden to connect Islamism to terrorism.

kim

Donofrio's got another tidbit about Chester Arthur's lies to become President. His father was also a British subject at the time of Chester's birth.

naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com
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clarice

Weren't the fathers of all our first presidents British citizens?

jorod

From City Journal,
Ten Economic Principles:

1. The market economy is the most efficient of all economic systems.

2. Free trade helps economic development.

3. Good institutions help development.

4. The best measure of a good economy is its growth.

5. Creative destruction is the engine of economic growth.

6. Monetary stability, too, is necessary for growth; inflation is always harmful.

7. Unemployment among unskilled workers is largely determined by how much labor costs.

8. While the welfare state is necessary in some form, it isn’t always effective.

9. The creation of complex financial markets has brought about economic progress.

10. Competition is usually desirable.

jorod

The subway tunnel in Chicago was an old tunnel that was used for delivering coal. It was punctured by a construction firm sinking pilings into the river.

Ann

Do you remember when V.P. Cheney had "gravitas" a serious or dignified demeanor.

Have you seen the Saturday YouTube of "Your Weekly Address From the "President-Elect" (which he really isn't until the electoral college votes)? But regardless, I think we need to say candidate Obama has "gravity" an ominous quality, a danger or threat appeal. He has recommended that tire quages would help the gas crisis and today has recommended that efficient light bulbs will put people back to work.

What galls me to no end is that when confronted with a half ass difficult question he says we only have one president at a time. But on Saturdays he pretends to be our president with all the answers.

Does anyone know if these skits are shown on T.V. or heard on the radio? Is it just on the internet that he appears as our Dear Leader?

kim

clarice, there's an exception, Constitutionally, for those born before the existence of the United States. Arthur's case is analogous to Obama's. He was born in 1829 and his father was naturalized in 1843.
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kim

Chester Arthur also lied about his past and burned his records. He was VP and one of his supporters shot the sitting President.
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Elliott

But, even in the 1880 election, the allegation was ineligibility based on Canadian nativity, not paternal nationality.

Rick Ballard

"When FDR took office unemployment was something like 20 percent and GDP had declined by something like 25 percent."

When FDR took office census was still counting "families" rather than "households" and 60% of families had 1 - count 'em, 1 - breadwinner. In the '30 census the workforce was split 78% male/ 22% of the female (over 10 years old). Today the work force is split 53.5/46.5 (over 16). It's a nice apples and peacocks comparison.

Barry the Buffoon might as well carry a book with a cover referring to the War of the Spanish Succession.

kim

No, Arthur was born in Vermont. It was alleged that he was born in Canada, and in Ireland, but the allegation wasn't true. Arthur successfully concealed that his father was not naturalized at the time of Chester's birth.
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RichatUF

Ann-

The "addresses" already have that Chavez-Castro feel to them and can't wait for him to unleash some real stemwinders. He already has that Carter malaise thing down, doesn't he.

kim

But you are right, Elliott, that the argument in 1880 wasn't about the nationality of his father. It wasn't brought up, perhaps because of the red herring about his own nationality.
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kim

Kiddoes, I don't believe the Supreme Court will address this arcane point. I think they should, if only to clarify the situation. More importantly, perhaps, is that either the various state Boards of Election and/or the Secretaries of State of the various states should have verified Obama's eligibility either on Donofrio's arcane point, or by a peek at his actual vault copy certificate. Edwin Vieria has an excellent point, that is, that any defendent in a criminal case stemming from a law signed by Obama will have standing to demand the production of real proof of place of birth. Better find out he is ineligible now than a year or so down the road.

These are among the reasons I think the Supremes will act in some fashion. Monday, 10:00AM. Be there or be square.
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kim

We have a clearly forged COLB in the public domain. We have statements from Hawai'ian officials that there is a real vault copy on file. We have these same state officials explicitly refusing to say where the place of birth on those certificates was, but perhaps refusing on privacy grounds. We know it was possible to file a certificate in Hawai'i in 1961 for a foreign birth.

Faster and faster. Something is not right.
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kim

We have Obama spending almost a million dollars so far to avoid showing his birth certificate. We now have scores of cases in state courts wending their way upwards through appeals.

If this guy was selling you a used car, you'd stop right there, on suspicion that the title wasn't clear. And this guy might be signing legislation in seven weeks?
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Rick Ballard

Rich,

Speaking of lying commies, this one is hilarious. The Chicoms are going to quintuple taxes on gas but not raise prices at the pump. They really don't have to either. They haven't lowered them since June. The Buffoon will probably study that one very closely.

Ann

Rich,

The fake feel of the whole backdrop gives me the creeps. Who is in the picture to the right of him? There is also that SNL quality to it that it seems like a real sketch comedy.

Can you imagine President Bush ever pretending to be something he is not?

OK, the real money question is: Should we all go out and buy every GE light bulb we can find? I see a market. Just don't tell PUK and Clarice.:)

narciso

I said I didn't remember the details, but I recalled the incident. There was also some big issue of a heat wave around that same time. Well our 'beloved Miami' mayor, and possible future HUD chief sees Chicago as his model. Our once formerly sane mayor Suarez, thought Baltimore Mayor and Maryland
Governor was his inspiration, for his ideas about Urban development.
I'd take issue, with you, that complex financial systems are a good things, take derivatives and CDO's; if you can't really explain them, you have no business using them. But most of those issues are right on point. Like Churchill, (a liberal around age 30, and a Conservative by age 50)
'democracy is the worst of all systems, except for all the others" Alexander Tyler, paraphrasing Cicero, about 'republics becoming tyrannies, when they disocover they create money from the vote" Fred's latest message seems to trigger off that notion. I tried with that post in the Times, but most ended up regurgitating something they had seen from WayneBarrett's hatchet job or Olbermann or both.

The post war 1945 exhaustion of Britain made way for the National Health Service, France nationalized Renault and Total for various reasons. Argentina's liberal regime faltered first in the 30s, and the later in the 00s. One would say this scheme sound a great deal like those proposed by Jesse Jackson, 20 years ago, People, did get stupider over time. The main difference seems to be, Jackson wanted to tap the pension funds, Barry sees liquidating them as a better bet; for his purposes. With oil, grains, housing, other commodities depressed, there is no safe haven it seems. Well the gold that G. Gordon Liddy is hawking, but that doesn't seem like a good bet. I'm stumped Po, how do we get out of this?

RichatUF

Rick-

Great article-prices won't go up, cause they aren't coming down. Some pretty interesting finds among that article and the others you linked to on the other thread regarding Chinese buying of US real estate. Reforming for fuel tax, buying off taxi drivers and farmers, and parents buying houses for their little emperors and empresses (and maybe staying a while themselves)-seems that they might be in the midst of a political crisis worse than what they were facing in 1989.

bgates

I thought Bush was the new FDR: both oversaw enormous expansions of federal spending; both presided over economies routinely described as "the worst since Hoover" yet ended their times in office with unemployment in the single digits; both got the country embroiled in two overseas conflicts, neither of which was formally won by the time they left office.

On the other hand, if you want to rate by violent deaths of Americans, debt expansion, or suspension of civil liberties, Obama could outdo Roosevelt and Lincoln combined.

clarice

In La. Cao is projected the winner over Wm Jefferson.

Elliott

We know it was possible to file a certificate in Hawai'i in 1961 for a foreign birth.

What evidence supports this claim?

Back to Arthur, here's the Naturalization Act of 1795, which looks to have still been in effect when Arthur was born.

Though not a member of the bar myself, I don't find the claim that he wasn't a natural born citizen even if born in the United States persuasive in the least. A glance at Blackstone's Commentaries should indicate why:

The children of aliens, born here in England, are, generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such. In which the constitution of France differs from ours; for there, by their jus albinatus, if a child be born of foreign parents, it is an alien.

Even without the 14th's amendment explicit birth-right citizenship, the common law precedent strongly favors the view that Arthur was a natural born citizen if born in the U.S.

Pofarmer

I'm stumped Po, how do we get out of this?

Good luck with that. Best I can figure is keep your head down and yourself gainfully employted. I ain't that old, but Pop and I both agree that we've never seen a convfluence of events like what's happening now, as if that were some great surprise.

Pofarmer

Oh, I do think Obama's spending habits could bust our currency, if not our govt, though. Then things get real interesting.

scoopa

Cold Cash Jefferson is gone - yahoo! Welcome to the new Vietnamese guy. Republicans have minorities? Who knew?
Steyn is the best. Met him at the Barracuda's rally in NH. Got my pic with him and talked politics for a good bit. Told him I saw my first 'full blown burqa' ever at Heathrow this summer. Very disturbing!
P.S. I totally understand the female fascination with him on the NRO cruise!

Pagar

Good Morning to all!
Looks like we have a clear winner with Mr. Cao in Louisiana. As one of the posters at Gateway Pundit noted; Mr Cao is part of a group that has first hand experience with Democrats selling out a country.

The "is he a citizen" movement has gotten the attention of Slate. Course they think it is a fringe movement to question whether a person really is qualified to be President.

According to the article only kooks would want to know if a person was legimately qualified to be president of the US.

The article doesn't say it in so many words,but it makes clear.
Good people would just accept that a person was qualified based on a statement by Mrs Pelosi.

kim

Well, Elliott, you've made a small career of fact-checking my wild allegations and I can't remember when you were wrong and I was right when we disagreed. So there is precedent.

I can't find it to show you but supposedly Box 7c on the long form Hawai'ian birth certificate is a space for registering foreign births.

Judah Benjamin has a convoluted exposition of common law on the blog Texas Darlin', supporting the contention that common law interpretation militates against Obama's 'natural born citizen' status. Remember, and I'm not sure it is pertinent, that the framers particularly abhorred allegiance to Great Britain.

I'll grant that 'common' belief is that virtually anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen. Whether that is true by arcane interpretation of the law or not is what Donofrio is trying to establish.

Now, back to my 1% belief that Obama was not born in Hawai'i, but rather Canada or Kenya. I think, at the least, the Justices will want to find some mechanism for satisfying themselves that Obama was born in Hawai'i, because of the potentially great dislocation of legal process if, as Vieria has argued, Obama is found retroactively to be ineligible. Vieria's point that defendants in criminal trials will have standing to insist on demonstration that Obama is legitimate is a good one.

Frankly, I don't think what Obama is hiding is foreign birth. And if it is something else, perhaps his privacy should be respected. I'd like mine to be, in similar circumstances. I'd like Joe the Plumber's privacy to be respected, also.
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kim

The Washington Times has a pretty good article too, Pagar.
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kim

Well, Pagar, David Weigel in Slate has fairly exhaustively researched this, and you're right, the sneer is his most effective technique. Logical fallacies and ad hominems abound in his article, but the skeleton of the controversy is there on display.
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kim

For instance, he sneers at one Congressman for believing that Obama didn't write 'Dreams of my Father'. Hasn't it pretty conclusively been shown that Ayers wrote at least part of it?
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Donald

I'm the numbest of all nuts.

kim

Cao do your sax be?
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Pagar

For what's worth, I just think there should be a mechanism to verify to every reasonable person's satisfaction, that a person is eligible for the political office they are seeking. I don't think such mechanism exists today. I have no faith whatsoever in the present system of Mrs Pelosi telling us that Obama is eligible.

My farther concern is in our primary system that apparently is under the control of nobody. Thousands of cases of fraud reported and no one cares. As the Washington governor's election of 2004 and the Minnesota senate election now going on demonstate, one can find or lose ballots in some very strange places. Think how much easier those strange things can occur in caucas where no one is even watching.

When an American is willing to spend a million dollars to provide he doesn't have to show an American birth certificate to be president there is some thing wrong, somewhere.

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